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Old Masters: After 80, some people dont retire. They reign
152 points by wallflower  4 hours ago   31 comments top 16
GuiA 37 minutes ago 0 replies      
I am currently reading "Old Masters and Young Geniuses: The Two Life Cycles of Artistic Creativity" [0].

The author starts with the observation that in the world of fine art, it seems that the artists who encountered great success are divided into 2 broad groups: the ones who had a clear vision (often groundbreaking) of what they wanted to accomplish, did it while they were young, peaking early (Young Geniuses); and the ones whose approach was more iterative, built upon theory and learning, who never stopped improving over their lifetime, and whose vision was established over decades (Old Masters).

To support this thesis, he looks at concrete data: for example, for the artists whose paintings sold for the most money, at what age did they paint the works which would later sell for the most? Or, to use an alternative method of approximating "success" - for the works that are most often included in art textbooks, at what age were they painted by their authors? [1] He goes over several measures of "success" in this way, and the data maps pretty well with the commonly accepted wisdom for each artist (e.g. Picasso peaked early, and his later works are nowhere as remembered as his earlier stuff, while Czanne took a lifetime to build his approach and vision).

He then looks into what those artists had to say about their processes, and how that relates to those findings; and he then explores this thesis beyond just the world of fine art.

It's a fairly dense read - especially if, like me, you have very little knowledge of fine art (in which case I recommend looking up the works as you read the book, even if it doubles your reading time) - but it's extremely enlightening. Highly recommended.

[0] http://www.amazon.com/Old-Masters-Young-Geniuses-Creativity/...

[1] http://i.imgur.com/YmexHi8.jpg

thebear 2 hours ago 2 replies      
I liked Woody Allen's answer to the question why he was still working in his late seventies:

You know in a mental institution they sometimes give a person some clay or some basket weaving? Its the therapy of moviemaking that has been good in my life. If you dont work, its unhealthyfor me, particularly unhealthy. I could sit here suffering from morbid introspection, ruing my mortality, being anxious. But its very therapeutic to get up and think, Can I get this actor; does my third act work? All these solvable problems that are delightful puzzles, as opposed to the great puzzles of life that are unsolvable, or that have very bad solutions. So I get pleasure from doing this. Its my version of basket weaving.

jeffreyrogers 4 hours ago 3 replies      
The author of this article, Lewis Lapham [1], is himself quite accomplished at 79, and founded the magazine, Lapham's Quarterly [2], which might appeal to some HN readers.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_H._Lapham

[2]: http://www.laphamsquarterly.org/

diego_moita 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Brazilian architect Oscar Niemeyer died working, at the age of 104 years. 2 years before his death he was visited by a Brazilian journalist, for an interview. After he knew the journalist was in his late 50s he commented:

"Oh, so young! You got your whole life in front of you!"

nostromo 3 hours ago 3 replies      
I found this study to be interesting, regarding retirement age.


> For males, we find that a reduction in the effective retirement age causes a significant increasein the risk of premature death

> We do not find that earlier effective retirementincreases the risk of premature death for females, however

carlisle_ 4 hours ago 2 replies      
>Im guessing there is no point to asking when you plan on retiring?

>Im going to retire in a box being carried out of my office.


MattGrommes 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Reminds me of the story Merlin Mann tells about the butcher who when asked what trick he uses to know that he picked up exactly a pound of meat responds "Be a butcher for 20 years".
chriskanan 3 hours ago 1 reply      
The article is missing Ephraim Engleman, who is still a practicing medical doctor and researcher at 103 at UCSF Medical Center: http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Dr-Ephraim-Engle...

If you are doing what you love or work that is important, why retire?

boblozano 52 minutes ago 0 replies      
Dr. Jerry Cox is 89, leads his latest startup[1], remains a sr. cs professor @WashU[2], sold a company he co-founded (Growth Networks) for >$355M to Cisco in 2000, and is generally smart and inspiring. Also sat for a formal oral history focused on his contributions to biomedical computing[3].

[1] http://blendics.com/team/

[2] http://cse.wustl.edu/PEOPLE/Pages/cox.aspx

[3] http://beckerexhibits.wustl.edu/oral/transcripts/cox.html

thrownaway2424 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I thought Robert Caro would belong on this list. He amazes me, having written over the course of five decades two seminal books, both of which earned Pulitzer prizes. But he's "only" 79.


bttf 59 minutes ago 2 replies      
I'm surprised no one has considered how older aged workers fit in the software engineering industry. From my experience it seems like the older you get, the less viable you are.
rfrey 1 hour ago 0 replies      
My favourite examples are two woodworkers who I admire greatly, Sam Maloof and James Krenov. Maloof was still making his rockers at 94, maybe a bit slower but not much.

Krenov sadly lost much of his eyesight in his late 80s so stopped making cabinets. But he continued to make planes, because he could make them by feel.

pyrrhotech 1 hour ago 0 replies      

Irving Kahn, still working on Wall Street at 108--and finding stocks to buy for the long run

dag11 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Betty White's responses are fantastic. Her humor really shines through!
nobody_nowhere 3 hours ago 0 replies      
"I just love to work" - Betty White.

Love this article. Be realistic. Recognize patterns. Love what do you do. Inspiring.

IvyMike 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I know we have skepticism over the 10k hours of practice theory, but I still kinda like it, at least in broad strokes.

And if there's going to be another "10x" level, these are probably them. 100k hours of effortful practice, at 2500 hours per year = 40 years. Crazy.

X86 boot sector written in C
34 points by doubcoid  2 hours ago   9 comments top 6
eduardordm 11 minutes ago 1 reply      
This is probably one of the few times assembly is more readable and easy to understand than C. Many years ago I used to teach OS classes at a local university, we would build a simple bootstrap using NASM. The source code includes 32bits (a20 etc) and GDT iirc:


userbinator 59 minutes ago 0 replies      
Note that this is not the MBR, but what is known as the "volume boot record" (VBR) which is located at the start of each partition. And to be honest, I don't think this code is significantly more readable than the Asm version... or maybe it's the lack of comments. It'd also be interesting to compare the compiled version's code with the handwritten Asm one.

Here is the annotated disassembly of the DOS 6.2 VBR:http://www.tburke.net/info/ntldr/bootsect.txt

tracker1 1 hour ago 1 reply      
I think it's pretty cool.. I know that it's a bit of an odd thing to notice, but thought it was almost odd that it is on Google Code, and not github. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just feels like when I see something new that isn't on github that's open source related it surprises me a little.

But it looks like this was actually started over 4 years ago, I didn't notice the date of the article. Was curious if anyone else noticed it like I did.

jhallenworld 30 minutes ago 0 replies      
Why read only three sectors when you can read the whole OS into memory. Take a look at these:


They're assembly language MBR and Linux boot loaders I wrote long ago. The bootloaders understand EXT2 or FAT, yet still fit in 1K.

Mithaldu 17 minutes ago 0 replies      
I'm not sure what's going on with that site, but it won't scroll in my browser. The HTML source is also a bit ... special.
na85 1 hour ago 1 reply      
>However, as a philocalist and masochist I felt compelled to write legible code and decided to use C.

Having looked at the author's boot.c, I now understand that legibility is in the eye of the beholder.

Still, it's a neat and impressive hack. I wish I knew more about operating systems.

Calories in, calories out
47 points by spudlyo  3 hours ago   38 comments top 11
wfjackson 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Gut bacteria are a big confounder among a bunch of other things. Different types can do a lot of things differently, like extract more calories from the same food.


They can even mess with your mind to make you crave junk food.


Transplanting them from a thin human to an obese mice slimmed the mice down.


Jet lagged gut bacteria can contribute to obesity.


Diet soda can alter gut bacteria to make one gain weight.


There are more gut bacteria than human cells in our body, and they actually release chemicals that affect the brain and have evolved to do that and there are a lot of other factors that influence gut bacteria, including what got passed on from your mother, what foods you ate during your life, what antibiotics you took etc. etc.

And gut bacteria is just one variable among things like activity levels, pollution levels, sleep amount and quality(not sleeping well can make you eat about 600 calories more the next day), peers(hanging out with obese people is likely to make you obese, obese people tend to have obese pets!), poverty, car ownership, smoking, tastebud sensitivity, commute time(people with longer commutes tend to be obese),genetics, muscle mass,stress levels, food additives, pregnancy, childbirth, menopause, time of the month for women, free time in a day(try cooking at home and exercise working 2 grueling jobs to make ends meet), drug side effects, emotional eating, type of exercise, micronutrients in food,portion sizes in restaurant, food advertising, food subsidies, vitamn level, thyroid function, insulin sensitivity, liver health, distribution of fat around body parts and inside organs,will power, processed foods, food availability and cost etc. etc. Some of these variables affect the others in a chaotic state machine kind of way.

It's no wonder that all these low carb, low fat, paleo, etc. diets are not one-size-fits-all solutions and that such discussions descend into WORKED-FOR-ME!!! Y U NO DO IT?!! platitudes. A calorie = a calorie is as true and as useless as answering the question "Why are there so many people inside the Super Bowl stadium during the game?" by saying "Because more people entered it than who left, if only people didn't get in, it wouldn't be so crowded."

spo81rty 1 minute ago 0 replies      
I think it is amazing how little we really know about our bodies and how they work.

I also think it is amazing how much we do know and people simply don't give a shit about!

Smoking is terrible for you. Sugar is terrible for you on a daily basis. Highly processed foods are terrible for you.

Everybody knows these things... but nobody gives a shit and the obesity and diabetes epidemic rages on.

I personally think calories are what you track when you eat processed crappy food. Eat real raw foods, which usually have no nutrition labels, and calories don't really matter.

acconrad 13 minutes ago 0 replies      
Dr. Israetel does a great video series on this topic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzo5Uy5aQU. Calories in/out is ultimately the foundation to weight loss/gain, but is not the whole picture. Macronutrient arrangement, nutrient timing, and food quality/composition also play a role in optimizing health and body composition.
grecy 2 hours ago 3 replies      
This has been a very hot topic on HN in the past, so I suspect the comments section will soon blow up.

I've always though of the "calories in vs calories out" technique for weight loss to be the starting point for the majority of people trying to lose weight. Reign in how many calories you're eating, start burning a few more (even just walking a block or two for most people is a great start) and you'll see significant weight loss over a long period of time.

Don't beat yourself up when you have a "bad" day, because the success of this technique is not measured in days. It's not even measured in weeks or months, it's measured in a unit of "the rest of your life".

After many months tending to years of this, and many pounds lost, the approach can be fine tuned and what is being eaten can be examined in slightly more detail.

Once you've mastered crawling, you can move onto walking and running, but it's simply too difficult to jump straight into running where there are so many gains to be made from simple crawling.

nkozyra 30 minutes ago 0 replies      
I've often wondered how we've come to the consensus of:

carbohydrate = 4 kilocaloriesprotein = 4 kilocaloriesfat = 9 kilocaloriesalcohol = 7 kilocalories

It seems difficult to quantify this accurately without fully understanding human metabolism and how it utilizes energy sources.

MicroBerto 1 hour ago 1 reply      
We deal with this all the time when recommending diet supplements at my startup. When it comes to losing weight, yes, calories in vs. calories out is the most important step to start with.

Sure, protein has a higher TEF (thermic effect of food), and yadda yadda yadda there are some other minor things involved, but they're just not enough for you to discredit the calorie situation.

However, when it comes to burning fat, the next most important thing (after you have determined a reasonable caloric deficit) is to maintain a "high" level of protein.

Too low of protein, and you're going to lose too much muscle mass. Ultimately, this is what's leading to so many "skinny fat" dieters. You get a lot of it from people who do nothing but cardio cardio cardio.

It turns out that all the low-fat vs. low-carb wars are really meaningless, because most of those studies don't control protein - which is MORE important! That last low-fat vs. low-carb study that came out was miserably guilty of this, because protein intake has actually been shown to be more significant than carb or fat control[1].

After you've situated your calories, then your protein (and you are consistent about it), then you choose your carbs and fats however it pleases you. There are extremes on both sides.

What's important is you find something that you can be successful with, and keep that protein number up. Lest you be skinny fat, which I personally feel is worse than being "muscular fat".

In the bodybuilding community, some people have taken this to extremes with Flexible Dieting, or "IIFYM" (If it Fits Your Macros...). Basically, the idea that proper quantities (as discussed above and below) are more important than food quality. I will err on that side of the argument, but the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle when attempting to achieve overall health.

Finally, it's worth noting that while total caloric intake and macronutrients are most important when it comes to weight and aesthetics, please eat some damned vegetables too. And corn is not a vegetable.

[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22935440

Cacti 1 hour ago 2 replies      
It's calories in, calories out, only if you stick to specific foods.

It's well proven that raw foods, despite being slightly higher calorie content than their cooked version, contribute significantly less calories because FAR less is digested and absorbed.

And it's equally well proven that weight gain is significantly due to the consumption of processed sugars (most carbohydrates that people eat these days), as they contribute far more sugar far quicker to the blood (and hence kick off an insulin reaction to lower the blood sugar by storing the sugar as fat). 1000 calories of white rice will contribute far more to weight gain than 1000 calories of, say, plain chicken.

So we _know_ that it's not just calories in, calories out. It just seems that way sometimes, because most studies don't really change the fundamental type of food (that is, it's almost assuredly cooked food still, and at least somewhat similar in the processing done (e.g. no candy bar but they're still eating white bread)). Everyone's just repeating the same study over and over, not realizing they weren't fundamentally changing the inputs.

jsonmez 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I have quite a bit of advice on this topic, targeted directly at programmers on my podcast on fitness for software developers, Get Up and CODE: http://getupandcode.com
ragecore 1 hour ago 1 reply      
In bodybuilding terms, "cutting" is being under calorie deficit. It can wreak havoc with your mood systems and that's why people can't keep it up. Start small.
tw04 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Uhh. "Are all calories equal? I don't know, but it'd be nice to know." Why is this even a blog post? It literally tells us nothing.
hhorse 1 hour ago 0 replies      
You lost 25 pounds over 75 days (abysmal progress)? By forcing yourself into a calorie deficit that you can't sustain? And you're going to gain all the weight back? And you have to constantly monitor your caloric intake, ruining the inherent joy of eating and paying attention to your body's signals?

That's really awful man. I'm so sorry for you. Anyone can already see the path you're about to go down. You'll be moody, hungry, feel bad, and regain the weight. It's the same diet story thousands of times over. Your prediction and result is also not the norm. When closely measuring calories and energy expenditure, very few people achieve the desired weight loss. Not that half a pound a day is desirable. You can do much better.

It's incredibly obvious that if you're losing weight that you're in an energy deficit. It's also a worthless observation. As "dieting" has proved time and time again, it's unsustainable for humans and has no long term benefits. Sure you can go hungry all the time, but who cares? You're not solving nor addressing the problem. It's like liposuction. People get severely depressed because they attempt what you're experimenting with, thinking it will work.

At 6'4 and 250 pounds, you are clinically obese. You are going to die sooner than most people, and it's going to be painful. This is something to take very seriously, and something worth getting emotional about. People's lives are ruined by thinking being in a constant calorie deficit is a good way to get healthy. Debating calories in / calories out is why people end up obese in the first place. Unless you have a genetic condition, you're carbohydrate intolerant.

A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
92 points by benologist  4 hours ago   45 comments top 9
jzwinck 25 minutes ago 0 replies      
Disclaimer: I agree there is a real social problem here. The rest of this message is solely about statistics (inspired by the language of statistics used in the article, like "A/B Test," "statistical significance," and "99.9% confidence level").

The article opens with an analysis of messages to one male and one (self-selected) female from a community which has a large male majority.

Most people in the world are heterosexual, and in my opinion people are more likely to sexually harass the gender they "like." Let's say 3/4 of people are straight and 1/4 are gay. Let's also say that 2/3 of sexual harassment is directed at the "preferred" gender" of the perpetrator.

Imagine a population of 80 boys and 8 girls, all equally "good." Half of them never say a bad thing to anyone. The other half lash out once a month and say something disgusting.

Now, we have 60 straight boys, 30 of whom behave badly once a month. That's 30 nasty messages a month, 20 of which go to girls and 10 to boys. We also have 20 gay boys generating 10 nastygrams monthly, 7 to boys and 3 to girls.

As for the girls, there are 6 straight ones, 3 of whom are bad, so they send 2 threatening topics to boys and 1 to a girl each month. Of the 2 gay girls only one is malfeasant, so let's say she sends her only "love letter" to a girl.

How many total bad messages are sent each month? 20 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 25 to girls, and 10 + 7 + 2 + 0 = 19 to boys. With 80 total boys, each will receive about one salacious message per four months. But each of the 8 girls will absorb, on average, just over 3 per month.

I tried to use conservative numbers here, and still the girls in a male-majority group get 13 times as many unwanted notes as boys. This is deplorable, but it is also unsurprising given the population.

andrewvc 1 hour ago 2 replies      
What I urge people in this thread to do is not to pick up a google search, or read a book, but to just go out and ask a few female friends what their thoughts are about being online, being safe, and being respected, and to listen with an open mind.

I see a lot of denial in here, people rooting around for reasons to think that there isn't a serious fucking problem with intimidation and psychological violence taking place on the net. I see a lot of cognitive dissonance, and that's sad, that's not a scientific mindset. You all need to get out of your comfort zone.

I'm a straight white male software developer, I don't need to care about this for any reason other than a life that doesn't have truth and fairness as a cause isn't worth living. I encourage you all to calm down, reach out, and really understand what it's like on the other side.

chiaro 4 hours ago 1 reply      
A shame the point needs to be repeatedly made. A five minute foray into the wasteland that is twitch chat will show some pretty stark differences between how men and women become targets for trolling and vitriol.

While some of the concerns of the whole gamergate mess were perhaps reasonable at some point in time, the whole thing has disappeared under a huge number of people who see their any supposed righteousness as license to indulge in the pettiest of attacks that aligns them with segments of society I'd foolishly thought we'd largely left behind.

Seriously, if you're looking for some injustices in the world to help make your life meaningful, you can do a hell of a lot better than "ethics in video game journalism", vitriolic element or no.

A_COMPUTER 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Every f*ing video on Youtube by a woman has that one jackass who posts "make me a sandwich" complemented with 10-100 upvotes.
mesozoic 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Gamergate is leaking again.
DanBC 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Gamergate claims to be about journalistic integrity. I hear the names of women, but never the male journalists.

> Maybe, but let's not forget what incident started Gamergate: Zoe Quinn; an entitled, unethical, and hypocritical developer (female or otherwise).

You're spreading the same lies.

mindslight 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Once every two months would definitely set off my pattern detector, while twice a year might slide under the radar or at least make me not take it viscerally.

This is one of the few articles that I feel addressed this topic calmly and rationally. I appreciate that.

andrewvc 2 hours ago 1 reply      
You're really selectively quoting those studies.

From the first link (the pew poll):

Young women, those 18-24, experience certain severe types of harassment at disproportionately high levels: 26% of these young women have been stalked online, and 25% were the target of online sexual harassment. In addition, they do not escape the heightened rates of physical threats and sustained harassment common to their male peers and young people in general.

You mention regarding the second link (which you yourself say is 'decidedly non-scientific', and yet still proceed to cite):

There's also this decidedly non-scientific study of Twitter[2] which shows male celebrities receive more "abuse" on Twitter than female celebrities, where "abuse" means "something tweeted @ them with a swear word in it."

So, there was no attempt made to determine the severity of the abuse. You sound like you want to find empirical data to back your point of view, but your sources don't really say what you claim them to be saying.

My $0.02 (as a guy), sure you get some abuse, but none of it really matters. If someone emails me cursing, saying he's a navy seal and is going to come to my house to kill me, we all know it's BS and won't happen. For girls it's a threat that's much more likely to happen. As the pew study you linked to mentioned, 26% of young women have been stalked online.

paulnechifor 30 minutes ago 1 reply      
I thought better of HN before this. It looks like if you don't toe the line you get downvoted and your comments get [killed].
Mono for Unreal Engine
153 points by jstedfast  7 hours ago   50 comments top 9
j_s 7 hours ago 4 replies      
Maybe this will light a fire under Unity to get a recent version of a C# compiler. No one has ever been able to point me to an official explanation for why theirs is so far behind.
Xelom 7 hours ago 1 reply      
This means a lot to me. I will try to contribute to this one, nice kickstart guys!

I don't have much C++ experience and I had doubts about getting into UE only with blueprints. It feels like there will be cases that I won't able to cover just with blueprints.

I was experimenting Unity just because of their C# support but now I can gladly turn back to UE and it is more exciting for me.

azakai 6 hours ago 1 reply      
One concern here is portability: If you write your game logic in C# on Mono, it won't run on all platforms (possibly for either technical or licensing reasons - you're limited to where Mono runs). For example it won't run on the HTML5 target. For comparison, Unity has written il2cpp to replace Mono to get around that,


it basically compiles C# to C++, which they found is much faster.

I wonder if this project has a solution in mind for platforms where Mono won't run? Or maybe it targets just a subset of the things Unreal Engine can target?

sremani 7 hours ago 2 replies      
>>This is a project that allows Unreal Engine users to build their game code in C# or F#.

F# support is the real kicker.

aric 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This is another game changer. Personally, the portability of C++ is, by far, its own reward. But I'm thrilled for others that C# is finally becoming an option. It's been many months in waiting for Unity users sitting on the fence.
AlexeyBrin 7 hours ago 4 replies      
Hopefully, Xamarin will add Visual Studio support in the Indie dev plan at some point. Currently, if you want to support iOS, Android and use Visual Studio you need to pay $1798 per year which is a bit more for a one man shop.
Sir_Cmpwn 6 hours ago 1 reply      
My only disappointment is that Linux support isn't mentioned anywhere, not even in the roadmap.
drawkbox 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Definitely game changing. The barrier to move from Unity to Unreal is really low if this works out. Still best to do C++ where possible but this opens up Unreal drastically.
_random_ 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Good! Unity is in a desperate need for competition. How old is their Mono version again?
1984 v. Brave New World
336 points by moritzfelipe  12 hours ago   150 comments top 24
tikhonj 7 hours ago 9 replies      
I actually agree with some of the other commenters in this thread: Huxley's dystopia is, well, far less dystopian than Orwell's. Or, in a more nuanced look, Huxley's book suffers an unfortunate dichotomy: the things that are bad are not realistic and the things that are realistic are not bad.

The legitimately dystopian part of Brave New World are often technical in natureeffectively mind control through drugs and a caste system propped up by genetic engineering. These don't just require advances in technology but also a surprising level of social organization. Where 1984 feels like a continuous progression from a Soviet Union that never collapsed, these core parts of Brave New World comes of as discontinuous, a jump both socially and technically.

And without these extreme social and technical changes, it stops being a dystopia. If not for the eugenics, genetics and soma, it sounds like a nice place to live! Freer sex, freer entertainment, more automation, more leisure... It's radical, certainly, but not in a bad waya radical departure from our current almost Puritan work ethic and our obsession with certain abstractions (the poorly defined "real vs superficial", "honor", "the dignity of work"...etc) sounds like just what we need.

I like giving people what they want, even if I think it's shallow or superficial. Then again, I've never been one to treat hedonism as a bad word.

That cartoon people like to pass around really captures my thoughtsin a way that's opposite to its intended message! It shows how some of the believable things in Brave New World are believable, but never shows why they're bad. It just assumes, and ties into cultural ideas (like "hard work is good" or "your life must have meaning") that many people don't question. But it misses the mark because it ignores the parts that are not plausible but actually created the dystopian environment.

The cartoon (much more than the book itself) is also a bit grating because I sense some condescending overtones. "Look at all those people who don't care about the world but just distract themselves with popular entertainment. How shallow!" Obviously you, the reader, do not belong to this group. And hey, I don't disagree per seI think most popular distractions are shallow and have much better alternativesbut I also think there's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying them. I mean, I follow the news, I care about recent events and where does it get me? Nowhere. I guess I could vote a bit better, but all it's done is sour me on all major candidates. Is this meaningfully better than comfortable ignorance? No, but people tell me it is. And here I am.

Really, Brave New World minus the implausible bits and with a larger dash of individual freedom thrown in is pretty much as far from dystopian as it can get. Radical, certainly, and jarringvery different from our current social orderbut fundamentally good. It feels like it's just a few exaggerated risks thrown in to make leisure and entertainment seem crass and indolent. 1984, on the other hand, doesn't feel all that different from my parents' tales about the Soviet Union.

I know which one I'm more afraid of!


I've always really disliked this phrase. It's one part rationalization and one part a way to keep people down and working even if they don't want to. Doing something menial or boring or easily automatable just for the sake of working is not my picture of dignity!

Haha, no I can't, because I'm not a citizen. So I'd have to become a citizen first. It doesn't matter, but it is annoying.

netcan 10 hours ago 11 replies      
These are two giants in science fiction, in political philosophy and in pop culture. I'm a big fan of both. Great to read a discussion between them.

First, there's the artistic stele of the books. 1984 has got this graphic novel, Noir feel to it, like Walking Dead or Sin City. Brave New World has this brightly colored surreal feel to it. It's hard to compare books that are different in this way.

Overall, Orwell's world felt more real to me, like it could have been brought about by real political circumstances. The system itself is evolved around the principle that whatever improves control survives. It feels like a political system that has devolved into its current state with the original vision or rhetoric of the ideology that brought it about remaining as a vestige, like Marxism in China.

Huxley's world feels a little more fake to me. It's like some political genius designed it head to tail and things went ahead as planned. It's like Canberra (If you go there, you'll see what I mean). That makes it feel more like a made up word to me, inorganic.

Orwell's "mechanisms," training society to gradually train their minds using language, euphemism, historical revisionism, social penalties for bad thought patterns and as much control over what people see & hear as possible it feels real to me. We see that stuff at work now as Orwell saw it in his time. It feels possible, though I think Winston's are inevitable too. Euphemisms to control thought is stronger today than it was in Orwell's time.

Huxely's mechanisms of Soma, infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis feel less real. I can't count that against the author or the book though. Brave New World is distant future. That's inevitably more fantastical and less realistic. I think he's right though about using pleasantness over direct confrontation. Humans are pleasure seeking and denied pleasure, there will always be a force of instability.

The point where 1984 slips ahead though is the book-in-the-book 'The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism, by Emmanuel Goldstein.' In particular, it describes how the system must allow some non hereditary class movement. If the class system is too rigid, pressure builds up as talented individual press against the ceiling. If some are allowed to progress and there are prominent examples the class system becomes less explicit and more stable. I don't know if it's some of my earliest political exposure being socialist, but that just rings true to me. I see it today. Statistically, classes are fairly rigid, but individually, they are malleable.

I'm very biased though I think 1984 is one of the most important books I read as a teenager. It shaped how I saw things.

programmarchy 20 minutes ago 0 replies      
Related, there's some very interesting connections between Huxley and MKULTRA, the CIA program that performed experiments on people with drugs (LSD) and hypnosis, among other things. So it appears that he was more than just an author, and actually a key player in pushing the Brave New World "agenda" forward.


Quoting his speech at UC Berkeley in 1962:

> If you are going to control any population for any length of time you must have some measure of consent. Its exceedingly difficult to see how pure terrorism can function indefinitely. It can function for a fairly long time, but I think sooner or later you have to bring in an element of persuasion. An element of getting people to consent to what is happening to them. Well, it seems to me that the nature of the Ultimate Revolution with which we are now faced is precisely this: that we are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy who have always existed and presumably always will exist, to get people actually to love their servitude!

vikingo 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I think Neil Postman wrote the most concise examination of this topic in the foreword to "Amusing Ourselves to Death"[1]:

"We were keeping our eye on 1984. When the year came and the prophecy didn't, thoughtful Americans sang softly in praise of themselves. The roots of liberal democracy had held. Wherever else the terror had happened, we, at least, had not been visited by Orwellian nightmares.But we had forgotten that alongside Orwell's dark vision, there was another - slightly older, slightly less well known, equally chilling: Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Contrary to common belief even among the educated, Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But in Huxley's vision, no Big Brother is required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity and history. As he saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.

What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions". In 1984, Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us.

This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right."

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Amusing-Ourselves-Death-Discourse-Busi...

wmnwmn 10 hours ago 3 replies      
BNW is a deeper book than 1984 because with BNW the first task is to say why that world is even bad to begin with. BNW represents the logical conclusion of a philosophy in which happiness is the top priority. In my opinion it shows that happiness can not be the top priority of life, contrary to the propaganda of marketers and psychologists over the past century. Life is not inherently happy and the attempt to make it that way destroys it. One of the many paradoxes is that if you accept unhappiness and just get on with the job, greater happiness can follow.
roel_v 11 hours ago 10 replies      
I never quite understood was was 'dystopian' about Brave New World. A world in which everybody is happy and content with who they are and the circumstances they live in, how is that dystopian? He threw in some bad things (the people in the reserves, the people who didn't take their meds, the 'conditioning' of the children) but never really justified why they'd be necessary. All of them (and the 'orgy-porgies') were, I felt, added to be able to make the argument that the society he was portraying was morally wrong.
aprdm 11 hours ago 5 replies      
stormbrew 11 hours ago 5 replies      
Right now it rather seems Orwell had it closer to right on the predictions in the letter: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/US_incarc...

Some of this stuff is expanded on in Huxley's forword to BNW[1], btw, written in 1947. I have always been fascinated by this assertion in it:

     As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase.
He doesn't support this axiom in the forword (or this letter), and I've always wondered if anyone has ever written a compelling, historically-based, argument for this idea.

[1] http://www.wealthandwant.com/auth/Huxley.html

codeulike 11 hours ago 1 reply      
At the time of this letter, Aldous Huxley was very into 'Animal Magnetism' and Hypnotism (read his novel 'Island' to see his utopian vision for such things). He seems to somewhat overrate their potence. 65 years later Animal Magnetism is long forgotten and hypnotism is slightly helpful for giving up smoking or being a bit less angry.

I feel sorry for past thinkers who could only stumble upon ideas from books and digest them one at a time, rather than instantly find the history and connections and evidence and counter-arguments for an idea as we can now.

dicroce 11 hours ago 1 reply      
I think the problem with Huxleys predictions come from his not realizing how blunt an instrument narcotics are... Fine work and subtle tweaks are beyond our power (just look at the side effects)... Using drugs to adjust personality is like using a sledgehammer to rearrange porcelain figurines. Not that we might not get there of course.... but we'll have many years of boots stomping on faces in the interim.
hyperion2010 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Why do people think that BNW represents a dystopia? The whole point of the work is that it is in fact a utopia or as close as you can get. The reason for this is to undermine the notion that one should even want to organize a society around happiness in the first place (undermining one of the central assumptions of nearly 2500 years of western political philosophy). To this end I think Huxley succeeds brilliantly. Furthermore he raises far deeper questions of what it means to be human in ways that Orwell simply does not address. Finally the fact that many identify his depiction of the future as dystopian is a good sign that he successfully gets readers to reevaluate their own thinking about what it means to live a fulfilling life, since I think almost all of us here would agree that the world Huxley depicts is in some ways thoroughly empty of any real fulfillment or achievement.
chiaro 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I think the central thesis of BNW, insofar as it is relevant to western societies and their possible futures, is that escapism is bad in excess.

In the information age, access to entertainment is utterly unfettered, and it's shockingly easy at times to get caught in a dopamine loop (example: Zynga, candy crush). While this is, I believe, a valid concern, I find the conspiratorial aspects a little absurd. Claims that this is orchestrated specifically to prevent the unwashed masses seizing power describe such an undertaking so as to be unfeasible. We're in this position due to very, very, rapid changes in technology that as a society, we have yet to fully adapt to and understand.

DontBeADick 11 hours ago 2 replies      
Neil Postman's book Amusing Ourselves to Death is a great continuation of this topic. I only wish they were still around to see how right they were.
dredmorbius 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Something I realized only recently regarding Brave New World and 1984: the former is a criticism of its own society, that is, Western commercialism, capitalism, entertainment, and escapism. The latter is a criticism of the other society, that is, Soviet Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist Communism.

From the point of view that criticism of your own enemy is often far easier to swallow than criticism of yourself, it isn't quite so surprising that 1984 is the more popular and better-known work.

Both are tremendously prescient.

As noted elsewhere in comments, Neil Postman, particularly Amusing Ourselves to Death, continues Huxley's critique. Postman himself is very strongly influenced by (and studied under) Marshall McLuhan. You'll also find this theme in Jason Benlevi's Too Much Magic, and other more recent works.

hiou 11 hours ago 1 reply      
I've always believed that Huxley was closer in regards to the wealthy and upper middle class of society, whereas Orwell's predictions appear to line up better with the experiences of the poor and lower middle.
exelius 10 hours ago 2 replies      
Interesting. The "final revolution" that Huxley describes could also be called "the singularity" from transhumanism. In the end, we all become subservient to "the system" through our own choice. The system need not be run by humans.

The thing is, the indoctrination of children and coordinated use of psychotropic drugs as a means of control would be morally repugnant to a human. But for a non-human ruling class, morality does not apply and the efficiency argument makes more sense.

Obviously, neither of these men could have predicted computers the way they exist today. It is now plausible to think that a malicious AI could undermine our entire system of government without us knowing. No such AI exists today, but if it did, it would have near unfettered access to communications and data globally simply based on today's technology systems. The levers for control are already in place.

Ultimately, when the machines take over, it'll probably be because we willingly hand over the keys. What happens to us after that is anyone's guess.

vvpan 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Also, a little known fact is that 1984 is essentially a remake of a 1924 novel by Yevgeny Zamyatin "We".
scardine 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I think the climate in Venezuela, Bolivia and Brazil is heading to a combination of both dystopias.

On one side, Chaves, Evo Morales and Lula assembled fantastic propaganda machines in order to ensure their respective parties continue in power. They claim that those countries are at war against the "imperialists".

On the other, they provide plenty of "soma" in the form of popular sport and music events and public subsidies.

alecco 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I don't understand why everyone is obsessed with which of the novels got it right. I think both made amazing predictions as there's no the triviality culture (Facebook and narcissism) and a fearsome Big Brother (NSA, GCHQ...).

It would be better if we focus our energy on how we can help fix that before it's too late.

billgraham 11 hours ago 0 replies      
"Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience."
netcan 10 hours ago 0 replies      
It's interesting Huxley addresses him as Mr. Orwell (a pen name) even though they knew each other personally.
robbiep 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Interesting that Huxley refers to Orwell as Orwell instead of Mr Blair
javajosh 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Orwell's rulers seem to have a much more satisfying experience of ruling. I don't think it's enough to have mere control; I think "lust for power" implies a certain sadism. They want to be Trujillo[1] or Kim Jong Il[2] - someone to be respected, feared, and absolutely obeyed. The point of being Big Brother was to attain the pleasure of torturing Smith, inside and out. (It wouldn't surprise me, or anyone I think, if they killed Smith after all was said and done.)

Huxley discounts the pure pleasure of putting your boot on someone's face, of being able to raping anyone in your country at will (as Trujillo was particularly fond of doing). Intriguingly, I think it is this class of evil people that will actively prevent humanity from turning into the Brave New World cul-de-sac, since it represents a steady-state that absolutely denies the kind of sadism that they crave.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il

DanielBMarkham 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Sadly, we are learning this is not an either-or proposition: it's perfectly logical that some elements of society will seek to narcoticize us while others worry about increasing our surveillance and control.

And the worst part? Both of these elements do these things because we ask them to.

Y Combinator, a Two-Year-Old, and a Pregnant Wife
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aresant 10 hours ago 10 replies      
I love articles on this topic because they're uplifting and hopeful, I hate them because they are unrealistic.

Y-Combinator's expectation for start-ups is that they are to be "all-consuming" (1)

From Sam Altman's "Before the Startup":

"If you start a startup, it will take over your life to a degree you cannot imagine. And if your startup succeeds, it will take over your life for a long time: for several years at the very least, maybe for a decade, maybe for the rest of your working life. So there is a real opportunity cost here."

In my personal experience start-ups are terrible for young families.

If you expect to have a balanced-family-life and still also out-work / out-hustle 20-year olds or 40+ year olds (older kids) that are out for your blood you are setting yourself up for failure.

I've been through this exact grind with young children born 18-months apart and you are FORCED to choose.

That uninterruptable family dinner?

Wait until an investor flys in to SFO unexpectedly and wants to go out on the town.

Being around for more of the "little things?

Wait until you are forced to marginalize the importance of being there on your kid's actual "birthday" because heck, you'll be at the birthday party this weekend and you need to be in Dallas for a sales meeting.

I am writing those two anecdotes from my own personal experience.

Working up on start-up #XX with plenty of success under my belt, pre-set expectations that I'm going to do this "balance" now, etc.

It's unrealistic, and I have been forced to choose my start-up and my team over my family to succeed, and it sucks.

But that's my path, and that of many others here.

I have incredible respect for anybody juggling y-combinator, a working spouse, and two kids.

But you have to be made of steel to undertake this path and look at the sacrifices you will make as a husband and father in the eye.

(1) http://www.paulgraham.com/before.html

aepearson 9 hours ago 7 replies      
As a father of two - articles like this come off as incredibly pretentious and I have a really hard time even finishing them.

I feel like so many in the "startup" culture are completely trapped in an imaginary bubble that literally means jack shit to anyone outside it.

You aren't changing the world out there...you're building business.

You are a father and a husband making a conscious adult decision to put work over your family...writing this little "how-to" article does not somehow make you immune to that reality. Venting your elitist self-serving views to the general public does not make you any less irresponsible, much less some sort of "leader".

"From 5:30pm-8:30pm, Im not a startup CEO. Im a dad." <- That statement right there pretty much illustrates my point.

No amount of money will ever replace what you're missing out on at home - I guess you'll have to figure that out on your own though. Hopefully your wife and children will give you back the same 1/8th of their time and focus that you give them.

DigitalSea 9 hours ago 3 replies      
In a few short months I am about to become a dad myself, our first child. I am currently trying to get a startup off of the ground and it is refreshing to read other people have, can and currently are doing it. Based on what I read, it seems Tad has his head screwed on.

Missing the wanky networking events, hackathons and realising that it is a fallacy the more hours you put in, the more work you get out. This has been proven time and time again, we are all human and we all have that point where our brains switch off and stop absorbing information. Putting in excessive hours does not give you any kind of advantage, when people are happy and refreshed, they are productive. How many times have you stayed back working on a complex problem, only to go home late without solving the problem, to come in the following morning and fix the issue in 15 minutes? It has happened to me more times over the years than I could count.

I have had numerous chats with my wife about how it will all work. She does not work in tech and will be a stay at home mother, but we have already laid the groundwork for how things will work. I want to be there for my child, a child is forever, a startup has such a small chance of succeeding long-term. Setting boundaries and being there for dinners and night time tuck-ins are essential to a happy family.

For me, the weekdays will be for work and startup life with a set boundary of a couple of hours for dinner and after for spending time with my child. The weekends will be mostly off limits to spend time going out and doing fun family stuff, picnics, going to the pool, arts/crafts, watching movies and spending quality time with my family. Make your time count, do not let your children grow up remembering you as always being on the computer, especially if your startup ambitions pass you by, all you have left is your family. Weekdays should be for work, not weekends.

The challenges my wife and I will face drastically differ from those that Tad and his wife experience on a daily basis, but I think the core principles of being there for your children regardless of your arrangement are universally important for any would-be entrepreneur, small business owner or startup founder to remember. We live in a technology enabled world so much so, even when you step away from a computer screen, your smartphone is just within arms reach and it can be all too easy to open up your email and get just as absorbed in work as you can on a computer. It can be incredibly hard to turn off work mode and relish the time you have for the more important and rewarding things in life.

I think incubators like Y Combinator should honestly do more to encourage healthy family life in the land of startups. Instead of pushing founders to drive themselves and their teams into the ground to get a paltry $50k or whatever, the culture needs to be changed at the root of the source. This fallacy that you need to invest 19+ hours a day into a startup early on to succeed is unhealthy. I do not know where it originated from, but I know that it has not always been like this. When entrepreneurs in the 40's and 50's were starting businesses, I know for a fact most people were not investing 19 hours a day into their ideas, technology seems to have removed not only barriers, but also boundaries and morals as well.

There is not one single definitive way to run and operate a startup. We are all different, but because of an accepted culture of overtime perpetuated in the late 80's and 90's especially, everyone in the tech industry has mostly come to accept that overtime is a way of life and to succeed you need to put in excessive and unrealistic hours. It is time to change the tide.

I think the one takeaway from this article everyone should take, even if you are not trying to run a startup or business, is to make time for the ones that need you the most. When all is said and done, family is the only constant you will have in your life. Jobs come and go, startups fail and succeed and friends come and go, family are always there. This means instead of going to after work drinks or accepting a culture of overtime in your current workplace, knowing when to draw the line and put what matters first, first: family. Not only family, but ensuring that you see friends, go and do activities like visit a theme park, go to the zoo or even a short hike through your local park. Remind yourself when time and priorities permit that there is more to life than work.

Great article.

scald 9 hours ago 2 replies      
I can relate. My wife and 2 toddlers were 12 hours away for 4 months while I did an accelerator this Summer. I saw them about a week a month.

Guys like us are in the minority. A lot of people told me I'm nuts for putting my family on the back burner to chase this dream. I told myself I wasn't going to let work come ahead of them, but yeah, I put them on the back burner for 4 months. At times it felt nuts. My kids are growing up fast and I'm working 18 hours a day across the country. Some days, it took immense amounts of willpower to not jump on a plane and dip out.

I used the military analogy with my wife when she complained. Hell, how many guys went over to Afghanistan for months without seeing their families? A lot of them never came back. A ton more risk, for what? Priority boarding and discounts on oil changes? (I have a ton of respect for those guys, and no, they don't do it for perks or respect.) Compared to that, I'd say the upside of this opportunity is what they call once in a lifetime.

But in reality, a lot of those folks didn't really have better options. I could make a good living as a developer if I wanted to. If I'm honest, doing this startup thing with a family requires me to be pretty selfish most of the time. But selfish in a good, weird way - working 80 hours a week so someday I don't have to work 40, so I can take my wife and kids to Hawaii for the summer someday, or whatever.

Luckily for us, the experience of the accelerator was worth every pain point. It probably only gets harder from here. Now I'm back with the family, with a (soon to be) funded company, and will have to make those tough juggling decisions on a daily basis. It's all about finding boundaries and balance.

Off to pick my kids up from daycare...

ryanSrich 9 hours ago 5 replies      
Interesting article. I guess I don't quite connect with it because I feel like the challenge, by far and away, would be financial, not social.

Living with someone and being married to them requires an intimate understanding of who they are as a person. Being able to work through those hard times is something I can do. Being able to make the hard decisions is something I can do.

Being able to go without a salary for 4 years, own a house, provide for a family, and work on a startup is something I couldn't do. In fact no one talks about this. I suspect many founders are either:

a. working on their second startup and have a huge bank account full of cash from a pervious exit

b. come from an extremely wealthy family where money has no effect on their decisions

c. are in fact paying themselves a salary (and hiding it from investors?)

d. have a significant other that can support the entire family

dominotw 10 hours ago 7 replies      
What is this strange bizarre heroism around having kids? I don't get what the big deal is. People have been reproducing for thousands of years without writing self eulogizing blogs about how heroic they are. Have kids if you want to or don't, you are not some kind of martyr for reproducing.

I've seen women who go to do hard labor in rice fields the following day of giving birth, its business as usual.

CodeJackalope 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I went through this journey with Tad. Not having a kid myself it's been amazing to learn about the demands of starting a family while simultaneously getting overwhelmed by the challenges of a growing startup.

As Tad mentioned communication has definitely been the key. And often situations where Tad or Kyle's parenting demands seemed like an inconvenience to Tiempo have actually helped remind us all why we are doing this crazy adventure. And we come back swinging even harder the next day.

So kudos to all you startup parents out there. It's a tough road but I'm confident you and your family are going to come out stronger for the journey!

nkozyra 4 hours ago 0 replies      
One of the biggest misconception in the startup world is that there is a 1:1 relationship with the unquantifiable "hustle" and time spent in front of a computer.

Long story short from me: a few years back my company was courted by one of the big guys. We had a staff of four and immediately thought "this is it." They asked a lot of us in this "discovery" process, and I was routinely working 18 hour days, and my productivity dipped further with each day. As I clamored to work more and therefore "get more done," I ended up getting less done than ever.

The deal fell through but not due to not coming through for them.

Fast forward to last year when my wife and I had our first kid. It's an immediate hit to your flexibility. For the first few months I felt helpless, I wanted to work all day long but I was exhausted. The more I tried to sneak work in, the less I got done, the grumpier I was and the less time I enjoyed with my family.

It took months, but I realized that productivity in limited time is about efficiency and delegation. It's about finding what time-consuming responsibilities can be handled by others (either through charity or payment), it's about reducing recreation (or scheduling it for a certain time).

I spend less time working now than I did when "hustling," but I get more done. When I sit down in the morning it is time to go. I don't check Facebook when I work. I don't go out to lunch, unless I'm meeting someone.

Hustling is about effort, not time invested. Don't fall into the trap that says you can't beat someone with more time to spend on something, you just have to work that much smarter.

It's a mistake to call it "balance," it's really about efficiency. Don't waste your time with your family and don't waste your time with your company - and finally: know that most people do waste time.

reshambabble 7 hours ago 0 replies      
One of my favorite things about this article is it's a dad (with a spouse who also works), talking about how important his family is to him and his struggles to have both family and work (AKA "having it all" when some women talk about the same thing). It's refreshing, because it shows that wanting to be both a caregiver and a breadmaker for your family isn't just a women's issue. I wish more articles would come out like this.
idlewords 4 hours ago 1 reply      
"One advantage startups have over established companies is that there are no discrimination laws about starting businesses. For example, I would be reluctant to start a startup with a woman who had small children, or was likely to have them soon." - Paul Graham
tadmilbourn 10 hours ago 0 replies      
My thoughts on ways to balance the needs of a growing startup with the needs of a growing family. Would love to know what others in similar situations have tried. What's worked? What hasn't?
stevewepay 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm at a YC startup, and our culture is very much to not have late nights, work people to death, etc. The belief here is that working people to the bone does not build a scalable business, and the only way to grow at a sustainable pace is to maintain regular work hours, have realistic goals in terms of work, and to give people a life outside of work. Sure, we all monitor our emails on our phones, and on occasion we need to work a little extra, this is still Silicon Valley. But many people here have young families, and the office is pretty empty by 6:00pm.
JoseVigil 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I am married with a seven years old beautiful boy.

The hardest part for me during these years of entrepreneurship have been the hassle of not giving enough financial resources to my family and instead putting money blindly into the company and project. In an "early" stage is likely and inevitable waste and mislead of money without exception.

That, in my opinion is the hardest part of all aside from the time spent and the amount of love given mentioned. Personal elections and freedom of choice is cool but when the live style of your family is affected turns cumbersome and contradictory. I can tell a lot about that.

Furthermore if the project fails, most of the time do, that money is gone and gone for the family too. Of course we all know that the experience pays off and the longer term economy will be much better, but at last.

During the journey, your mind plays tricks that opposes completely to a family type of thinking of saving and caring about moving money to and for the family.

Thats life, and part of the freedom of being moved by dreams and vision.

chuckcode 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm surprised about the number of judgemental posts and lack of real world approaches to help manage a classic resource allocation problem.

We are all balancing priorities where we want to spend our time (and high quality time) between work, friends, family, hobbies etc. We can choose to do fewer things and we can try to be more efficient in the things we choose to do. What are approaches that HN has found useful to help do either?

Personally I like some of Tad's approaches to set expectations and balance two things that are obviously very important to him. Shared google calendar and asana todo lists can certainly help communication with family and work but I haven't found anything that substitutes for spending 1:1 time with the toddler...

ryanmarsh 9 hours ago 1 reply      
I'd love to know how he paid his mortgage while in YC. We're a single income family. My co-founder is single and his financial liabilities are nearly zero (he's a minimalist) so he could make it work. Do you just burn savings?

Lastly, what if you lost all of your savings in your previous startup? asking for a friend ;)

imranq 9 hours ago 0 replies      
For some reason there is this myth propagating across SV that less sleep = more productivity... the fact is that if you get half the sleep you are supposed to, your work is not going to be 1/2 as good. It is going to be 1/100ths as good. Not a great position to have your "life's work" in.

That said, I admire this guy and his tenacity to work hard and smart.

As you can tell, I read a lot of DHH's stuff :), particularly this talk: http://ecorner.stanford.edu/authorMaterialInfo.html?mid=2351

foobarian 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Every now and then you see young people be advised to do X "now, before they have a wife/family/mortgage." X can be a startup, getting a PhD, trip around the world, etc.My view is that doing things differently is biting off more than one can chew and is selfish. Having done a brutal Ph.D. I cannot begin to imagine having had a child atthe same time, and the irreversible damage to the kid / opportunity loss / regret that would have resulted in.

Of course if you can make it work and live with yourself, more power to you. :)

stevewilhelm 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Fast forward four years from now.

Parent teacher conferences, AYSO, play dates, music lessons, September flu & strep throat, recitals, Y Adventure Guides, homework, walking the puppy, Gilroy Gardens...

Balance that with board meeting prep, sales road trips, recruiting, fund raising, OKRs, product reviews, hack-a-thons, conferences...

Good luck my friend.

comlonq 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Jesus christ man - all of this sacrifice for a time sheet application? Is it really worth it?
lynnah 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Great topic. So important. I found this book super useful. http://www.stonyfield.com/blog/for-better-or-for-work-a-surv...
belorn 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Interesting to see two articles on the same subject posted with about a week between, one about being a "mom" in Y Combinator (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8456258), and this one about being a "dad" in Y Combinator.
simi_ 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I read the title and realise I'm in the exact same situation: I have a wife, a 2nd year-old son, and my wife is 5 months pregnant. And tomorrow my startup finds out whether we got into YC W15!
dirtyaura 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Do you have more blog posts about Tiempo on the site? The site doesn't offer a link to a blog. I'd love to read how you guys are doing business-wise as we are doing something related but tangential.
karlaugsten 5 hours ago 1 reply      
I cant help but think of Erlich Bachman's 'Aviato' when I hear 'Tiempo'.
Animats 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Y-Combinator's expectation for start-ups is that they are to be "all-consuming"

Yes. If your wife is pregnant, she's expected to have an abortion so she can concentrate on the business.

tadmilbourn 10 hours ago 0 replies      
No one forced me to do a startup. No one forced me to have a kid. Those were my choices. And as a result, I'm in a situation that requires a lot of compromise.

I think there are many others in this situation, but it doesn't get talked about all that often.

My intent with the post was to share the things I've learned that have helped in the hope that they'll help others.

I'm not complaining about my life. In fact, I'm quite happy. Very happy. But that doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't share my decision making process for others to potentially benefit.

tytytytytyty 8 hours ago 1 reply      

Yet another business graduate in "Computer Software"... sigh...

This is why YComb is a damn joke.

Ask HN: My 56-year-old father is a developer having a tough time finding a job
152 points by luisivan  5 hours ago   75 comments top 27
MicroBerto 1 hour ago 0 replies      
This is crazy. Were I hiring, I'd kill to have someone that experienced and with likely far fewer "life liabilities" (I'm doubting he's going to start having babies or go absolutely insane over some girl he can't get out of his mind... or disappear playing video games for two weeks straight)

Have him keep at it. Someone will appreciate what he's got.

mark_l_watson 2 hours ago 2 replies      
I don't know if his will help:

I am 63, and I realize that I might not be as effective as I once was. What I do is offer a really low rate for telecommuting from home, and a much larger rate when working on site. So, for the last many years, I work cheaply from home and occasionally work on site (most recently at Google) for a much better consulting rate.

I don't know if your father has the financial flexibility to follow my plan, but it works for me.

dalys 34 minutes ago 0 replies      
We, Lifesum, are located in Stockholm and are looking all over the place for a senior backend engineer that can work with Python / Django! Please have him take a look at: http://jobs.lifesum.com/jobs/1103-senior-platform-backend-py... and see if it's a good fit.

Feel free to contact me (info in profile) regarding any questions. :)

_dps 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I may be able to help. As a fellow Southern European (living in California), I make it a point to try to help people from that region with employment where I can.

I employ people (fully remotely) all over the world, and I help several other companies do the same (I assume basic professional/IT English). I'm not actively hiring right now, but I know a few companies who are.

My email is in my profile. Best of luck regardless.

mblevin 3 hours ago 3 replies      
Remote work online is absolutely going to be his best bet, and it will pay better.

Check out:


http://hnhiring.com/ search for "remote")


albertoavila 4 hours ago 2 replies      
Drop me a line at my username @gmail.com if he would consider working for a startup based on SF but with its engineering team based on Guadalajara, Mxico. We mostly do django, flask and angularjs and are not worried on getting someone with his experience on our team.
steven2012 4 hours ago 2 replies      
I'm not convinced that 56 is that old for companies, especially large ones. I'm not sure this is anything more than the current financial problems that Spain is experiencing. There is 25% unemployment and many banks have purportedly been teetering on collapse. There simply may not be jobs available for him in Spain, unfortunately.

His best bet is to move around in the EU, and go to a country that is willing to hire him. Place like UK, France are likely doing better than Spain is, and will probably have more jobs.

atlantic 4 hours ago 2 replies      
Your father should try to find development work online. Nobody cares about your age, or even your qualifications. It's all about your track record and your capacity to get things done. It takes a while to get your first few gigs, but once you build up a small client base, work goes smoothly.
jwaldrip 4 hours ago 2 replies      
I would suggest he start contributing to open source. Write a fea utility libraries or even a few general purpose applications. Being able to point people to a github with work to show off some skills can be integral to how employers view your technical aptitude.
joshcrowder 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Has he looked into finance? The UK banking scene is predominately in his age group (not that it matters). I'm 24 and worked in a team of people ranging from 30-60 i suppose. Also the sector is moving towards noSQL so it could be a good fit
morgante 47 minutes ago 0 replies      
If he's open to remote contract work, I'm always hiring freelance developers (knowledge of Python & JavaScript).


Mandatum 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Unfortunately if he can't get a job that pays what he's asking for based on experience, he'll need to lower his rate. Outside of getting into a more "senior" orientated industry as joshcrowder has suggested, banking, finance, etc.

However Xerox itself is a very senior-orientated company, at least here in New Zealand. Has he reached out to his network to see if there are any positions going where he'll get a palm greased?

BenoitEssiambre 4 hours ago 1 reply      
>"they can actually hire five young developers for the price of one senior dev"

I'm sure your dad's experience warrants a premium over others but anybody asking 5x what other devs make are going to have difficulty finding a job unless they have exceptional reputation, contacts and some luck.

hardwaresofton 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Does he have an up-to-date portfolio on what he's been working on? how are his side projects?

I think that's one of the most effective ways to convince someone that you haven't been resting on your laurels/are still innovating.

Also, he could take the chance (assuming you guys are not 3 steps from being on the curb) to try and bootstrap a small startup -- 56 years is a ton of experience, he has to know some pain points in some markets/communities that he can fix (maybe his own?) and charge people money for.

rbitar 1 hour ago 0 replies      
If it helps, we work with startups/brands/agencies that primarily hire remote developers across a range of languages at FlexDevs:http://FlexDevs.com
codegeek 4 hours ago 2 replies      
What about freelancing ? Try and connect with people you know who might be looking for a developer like him. If he knows Python/Django, I am sure there are lot of freelance opportunities. Also ask him to post in the Monthly HN thread of freelancers.
luisivan 4 hours ago 2 replies      
BTW I forgot to add it on the post, but this is his LinkedIn profile just in case https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=75046358
le_doude 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I left Italy because I was looking at a future in which I would have been one of those 5 young devs that got hired instead of someone like your dad.

I am still young and am always relocating to find better projects and conditions, and its been working for me in this past 5 years. But now I know that there is also a lot of companies out there that are willing to hire people from across the globe and let them work remotely.

Those jobs are not easy to find, and are a small minority in the job market, but they are a beacon of hope for really good devs for which relocating is not an option. You (royal you ... which means potentially your dad) will generally get good money but might have to set up your own taxes, insurances and benefits, so it's not as hassle free as just being a normal employee.

Relocation, IMO, is always an option. Just speaking English is enough ... and English is not hard.

mctx 4 hours ago 1 reply      
There are a few conferences coming up in Barcelona, he could go to network?http://www.papis.io/ http://velocityconf.com/eu
nt591 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Where in Spain? The author of the Typus gem (a Ruby admin tool) lives in / freelances from Barcelona. Your dad may want to reach out to him for tips or advice.


terramars 3 hours ago 1 reply      
not sure how helpful this will be since we won't have a ton of activity at first, but Hired is about to launch in the UK. we'll be taking candidates all over Europe although we'll only have a London office until sometime next year. if he's interested in moving up there, it's worth a shot. his skillset sounds relevant. http://join.hired.com/x/WF25Mp
tw04 2 hours ago 0 replies      
He's worked as an executive, but never moved onto something more senior like a project manager????
aantix 4 hours ago 2 replies      
Is he willing to move to San Francisco? Flightcar needs a fullstack Django dev.
informatimago 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Here is a very meta solution, but it has to be considered. The problem of unemployment in Europe is directly linked to the European Union Treaty and the Euro ( google for TARGET2, ver por ejemplo http://tinyurl.com/salida-euro ). Entoncez, deberia promover la aplicacin del artculo 50 del Tratado de la Unin Europea para salir del EU y resolver nuestros problemas.
velocitypsycho 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Hopefully at that point the demographics of the industry will have smoothed out some.
robomartin 2 hours ago 0 replies      
He should start a business, it's easier than ever:


Seriously, it could change his life in a major way.

An Imaginary Town Becomes Real, Then Not
104 points by dalek2point3  8 hours ago   21 comments top 10
cbd1984 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Reminds me of three of my favorite words: Nihilartikel, mountweazel, and dord:




"Nihilartikel" is a German word for "fictitious entry", and it's amazing that a language which makes noun phrases into words has a specific word for this concept we express as a noun phrase. Let me gladwell on about how this tells me deep and profound things about sauerbraten and German psychology. Truly, we have much to learn from this peaceful, gentle, and thoroughly Othered group.

"Mountweazel" is a word which came from the name of a fake person used as a fictitious entry. It's just fun to say.

"Dord" is a genuine accident, which was supposed to mean density when someone misread an annotation about abbreviations: "D or d, density".

defen 7 hours ago 1 reply      
See "Tln, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" for a fictional take on this.

Meta-comment about the Borges connection: I'm continually astounded by how prescient his work was. "Tln, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" was published in 1940, so I suppose it's possible he, in Argentina, heard about this court case in New York, but I doubt it.

Other examples:

The Garden of Forking Paths: qualitative pre-figuring of the many worlds interpretation of QM, before that was a thing.

Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote: A character's bibliography contains references to Descartes, Leibniz, and the work sheets of a monograph on George Boole's symbolic logic. Now, I don't know the answer to this one, but maybe someone can help: Was George Boole considered an important philosopher in 1939? Claude Shannon published his famous master's thesis applying Boolean logic to electric circuits in 1938 in " Transactions of the American Institute of Electrical Engineers." - so again, I suppose Borges could have known about it through that, but it seems unlikely, So, of all the philosophers he could have chosen, why George Boole?

ggchappell 6 hours ago 1 reply      
> But then, just as this story was to be published, to be extra sure, we went to Google Earth, typed in "Agloe" one last time, and, whaddya know? It isn't there any more!

> It was removed this week.

Partially, perhaps.

Start at any old place in GM, and search for "Agloe, NY", and I get Aglow Dermatology and Aglow Decorating Corporation, both in New York City.

BUT, search for "Roscoe, NY", and then search for "Agloe, NY", and it finds the place just fine.

Maybe the removal of the imaginary town hasn't been pushed out to all users yet. Or maybe it's just been given some kind of lower-priority status -- "of local interest only", or something like that.

creeble 7 hours ago 3 replies      
Back in 1976, my girlfriend's mother had a friend who worked for a map company and was a graduate of the University of Michigan. The company made very popular maps, everyone had one in their car.

Ohio State University, near Columbus, was the nemesis and rival of UofM. So this mapmaker stuck a couple of short texts accompanying two roads near Columbus. One said 'mgoblu' and the other 'beatosu'. They were pretty hard to find unless you knew where to look.

But his bosses found out eventually and fired him. Haha.

Agloe is a better story.

josephpmay 5 hours ago 0 replies      
John Green wrote a book[0] about this town. It's a great book, and I'd highly recommend it to anyone who likes adolescent fiction. I believe it's currently being made into a movie.

[0] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ANSS5K?btkr=1

brightsize 1 hour ago 0 replies      
This "town" is in no less than the USGS's Geographic Names Information System (GNIS):


Added in 2014!


freyfogle 4 hours ago 2 replies      
In Germany there's Bielefeld, a major city that, depending on your opinion, does or doesn't actually exist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy

Then of course there's also the Republic of Null Islandhttp://www.nullisland.com

ytturbed 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Heh. Along similar lines I predict there will eventually be a teapot in orbit around Mars, placed there by philosophical pranksters.
sbierwagen 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Wikipedia article on the general case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_entry

Specific example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street

dreamfactory2 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Does this mean google maps is using ripped off IP?
Lecture 10: How to Start a Startup
35 points by kqr2  4 hours ago   6 comments top 4
jonalmeida 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Notes: http://jonalmeida.com/posts/2014/10/23/htsas-lec10/

This lecture so far seems like the mystical missing one that I left at the back of my head but didn't consider it as important to visit until you're already 100+ employees in.

By what Brian says, it seems extremely hard to hire anyone who doesn't have the same culture you're looking for. I say that, because I think of culture as being tightly twisted with your company products. How do you find people with the same cultural values, when they haven't grown with your product idea the same way that you have while building it?

These are just my initial thoughts for now..

fidotron 2 hours ago 1 reply      
It's very difficult to hear about their values, when the effects they have at scale are so close to the opposite of what is intended. Couchsurfing never reached an industrial scale, for example, but in this case they're creating enormous areas of highly transient populations with no stake in communities.

The good point is the one about the machine that builds the product in the long term (i.e. the company) is the real product. This is why I suspect so many engineering types rise to the top of companies these days, as the company becomes an extension of the grand machine - a sort of abstract assembly line and supply chain.

justboxing 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Hi, how do I get to the lecture? The page says "The lecture video is currently private (unlisted) until approved by Airbnb. Join the Facebook group or mailing list to get exclusive access."

I joined the list, but any ideas when airbnb might approve it??

jdoliner 4 hours ago 0 replies      
If you click the Facebook Group link you can view the video.

edit: And you don't have to join the group.

Migrating from AWS to AWS
161 points by mikeyk  10 hours ago   11 comments top 5
legohead 7 hours ago 2 replies      
We just migrated over to VPC as well, and came across a really weird "bug".

We auto-scale EC2, and randomly when auto-scaling, the new server couldn't connect to memcache (ElastiCache). Note that when you migrate over to VPC you have to migrate everything -- launch new ElastiCache servers in VPC, EC2 servers, RDS servers, etc.

Back to the bug.. I'd ssh into the EC2 server, and when I telnetted to memcache, it wouldn't connect. I terminated the EC2 server, and a new server comes up and can connect fine. I made a forum post in AWS forums and got zero responses. We then bought into AWS support and I submitted a ticket.

The problem: I launched my ElastiCache servers in the same subnet as my EC2 servers. Apparently the ElastiCache servers by default remembers servers in the same subnet by Mac address. Since we were cycling EC2 servers, eventually we'd get one with the same Mac address but new internal IP address, and I'm no networking guy but apparently this caused a routing problem.

Solution: create a new subnet and launch all the ElastiCache servers in that subnet. I did that, and it fixed the problem. The AWS support rep said if the ElastiCache servers are launched in their own subnet it will force them to go by IP instead of Mac address.

Anyway, hope this helps someone out ;)

roncohen 6 hours ago 0 replies      
We also migrated a while back (opbeat.com).While we run a smaller setup, I imagine that might be the case for most readers. We run a pretty standard setup with ELB, Postgres (master/replica), webservers and job processing servers.

This recipe details what we did (as i recall it):

  1) Prerequisites: Running at least two of everything in     separate AZs and expertise (or courage) to fail over     to a replica DB.  2) Boot up instances of everything in the VPC  3) Set up a new ELB inside the VPC, add the web servers inside to the ELB  4) Make sure your instances inside the VPC can talk to     which ever service they need outside (replica database     and web servers needs to reach master outside +     memcached). Use `telnet` to make absolutely sure :)  5) Make sure web and job servers can reach the     replica db and memcached inside  6) Test out the new VPC ELB from outside  7) Switch DNS over to the new VPC ELB, wait for it to     propagate.  8) Do a failover from your master to the replica inside.  9) Same for memcached  10) Shutdown everything in EC2 classic.  11) Drinks
EDIT: formatting

Someone1234 9 hours ago 2 replies      
I'm used to AWS pricing but I'm still a little fuzzy on how AWS VPC pricing works.

It is $0.05 per VPN Connection-hour. But in this context what is a "VPN connection?" Do you literally just set up your cloud for "free" (aside from paying for instances, etc) and then only pay $0.05 for every hour you spend connected to the private cloud externally?

Does the VPC have any external visibility aside from the VPN connections? And if it does, what is stopping you just setting up your own VPN server and bypassing the $0.05/hour rate?

wldcordeiro 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Is Instagram still using a modified version of Django 1.1 (if I recall that was the version they were on) or do they stay on the newest version now?
pbadger0 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I wish Instagram engineering posts were all just collections of pictures with comments, with a different Instagram filter for each picture.
EFF Relaunches Surveillance Self-Defense Guide
138 points by schoen  10 hours ago   19 comments top 5
eliteraspberrie 17 minutes ago 0 replies      
I wish they would recommend alternatives to Pidgin or Adium. (Because they are graphical interfaces to libpurple, which wasn't written with security in mind, to put it nicely.) Gajim and Jitsi are both free software IM clients, cross-platform, implement OTR, and are written in high-level languages. Please contribute time to both these projects, if you can.
chrsstrm 8 hours ago 2 replies      
I was looking for a text or pdf version to read offline and didn't find one, so I compiled a pdf version here - https://cl.ly/040F1D072g08

Also, if the site's dev is reading this, your print stylesheets still show the feedback link overlayed on the copy.

snvzz 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I used to like the SSD guide. Not anymore.

Old website was nice and readable, the new one is terrible, in a misguided attempt to be "modern".

Even at its front page, I had no idea where to click to actually read the guide.

mirchada993 9 hours ago 1 reply      
I think that this would make people think they're secure while they are not...

You only fuckup once like the grugq says

eksith 9 hours ago 1 reply      
The site is not loading for me at all https://ssd.eff.org Wonder if the load is too high too soon.

Edit: Oops, now showing 504 Gateway Time-Out (nginx)

Edit2: It's back. Looks very well put together.

Edit3: Wow, this is extremely well put together. I especially like that the scenarios are crafted for each situation and isn't just "do this and you're fine". This is really a walkthrough rather than tutorial and I appreciate that a lot.

AWS Frankfurt, Germany Region
266 points by ostrowski  14 hours ago   86 comments top 19
verelo 24 minutes ago 0 replies      
This is great from a data storage perspective, but i've always struggled to figure out the best approach for utilizing multiple regions to comply with legal issues like this.

That brings me to my question: How do you store your data so that you comply with the laws of a country, when you actually export your product to several countries? Having multiple instances of your system seems impractical and sharding data by country across regions could be rather hard. I.e. I am in Canada, we have US clients who desire their data to be in the US and Canadians who want it in Canada. Either we add complexity or someone doesn't get what they want.

julianpye 13 hours ago 5 replies      
This is pretty significant, because in Germany many corporations do require their data being hosted on German soil and protected under German consumer protection laws.

As a result the Cloud provider market is currently split into three categories: German corporations (e.g. Telekom) promoting themselves as truly compliant, US corporations with German hosting (Microsoft and Oracle) that self-promote themselves as compliant and US corporations such as AWS and Google that are aggressively attacked by German Cloud providers as violating German consumer protection law.

In the past I personally have lost customers in Germany because my services use App-engine and CloudSQL in Ireland. Thus, I hope Google follows with a German server for their cloud services.

sebslomski 14 hours ago 2 replies      
That's great news! As a german based SaaS company, we get many requests from customers asking where the data is stored. Even hair dressers (one of our main customer segment) are very conscious about where their data is stored.I'm looking forward to migrate.
lispm 11 hours ago 2 replies      
> AWS is fully compliant with all applicable EU Data Protection laws

As long as the NSA can request data from US companies in foreign countries this is not at all compliant with EU Data protection laws at all. Under the current situation ANY US company providing services is not compliant and German companies with sensitive data would be stupid to put this data on US owned servers - wherever they are.

grimlck 12 hours ago 3 replies      
Will having servers physically located in Germany really satisfy the privacy concern of German clients given that Amazon is still an American company subject to american laws?
thspimpolds 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Its an 18.57% premium up over US-EAST-1/US-WEST-2 and a 8.57% premium over EU-WEST-1

In case anyone cares

j4mie 14 hours ago 1 reply      
For those who are curious, this is called "eu-central-1" (Ireland is "eu-west-1").
nnx 13 hours ago 1 reply      
There seems to be an error on the DynamoDB pricing page:http://aws.amazon.com/dynamodb/pricing/

Selecting EU (Frankfurt) I get:

Write Throughput: $0.000702 per hour for every 10 units of Write Capacity

Read Throughput: $0.0001404 per hour for every 50 units of Read Capacity

This is strange as every other region has equal pricing for Write (10) versus Read (50).

Also, Frankfurt's Writes would be ~10 times cheaper than Ireland (Write Throughput: $0.00735 per hour for every 10 units of Write Capacity)

dazbradbury 13 hours ago 0 replies      
For those in London wondering where is best for UK based customers, here's an EC2 ping [1] comparison of Frankfurt and Ireland AWS:

    Europe (Ireland: 25 ms   27 ms   24 ms    Europe (Frankfurt): 39 ms   39 ms   42 ms
Suggests Ireland is slightly faster. Obviously just a sample of 1 (more data required), but given Dublin is roughly 300 miles away, and Frankfurt is roughly 400 miles away, it makes sense.

[1] Hitting ec2.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com vs. ec2.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com.

notax 8 hours ago 3 replies      
I've always wondered why Amazon put their first EU DC in Ireland, so far away from everything. While Germany is great and all, somewhere more central like Amsterdam would have looked like the obvious choice.

Whatever the location, it's still terribly expensive. Just looking at the Internet traffic charges makes my wallet hurt. I could not affort to serve traffic at any volume from AWS. Luckily there are a lot of other options in Germany.

gldalmaso 14 hours ago 2 replies      
Maybe I overlooked, but I can't seem to find any information regarding how many Availability Zones it has.

Edit: thanks for the replies, it seems that the '/pt/' localized version of the page hadn't been updated yet. I was able to find the informatin on '/en/'.

nilsjuenemann 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Welcome to Frankfurt. I've found a first sign of a upcoming germany zone some month ago. Here is the posting of it: http://www.nilsjuenemann.de/2014/07/new-aws-region-eu-centra...
mleonhard 8 hours ago 0 replies      
You can check your latency to the new region with http://www.cloudping.info/

I'm getting 165 ms from San Francisco to AWS Frankfurt eu-central-1.

kaivi 13 hours ago 1 reply      
This is great news.

Does anybody know if there are significant differences between Ireland and Germany, concerning things like privacy and copyright protection? Perhaps there are same laws in EU, which are just enforced less in one country?

morazow 7 hours ago 1 reply      
I think some German corporations will still be reluctant to use it due to replication, etc.
crypt1d 10 hours ago 0 replies      
any IPs for pinging? I'm curious what the latency is compared to Ireland from here (Eastern Europe).
ck2 14 hours ago 2 replies      
More ip ranges to block - are they published yet?

Don't see them here or the subforum, yet


freshflowers 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Of all the services not (yet) available in this reason, the absence of Elasticache seems the most conspicuous. It's a stable mature services with no regional complications.

Can anybody think of any reason for that?

(Maybe it's just me, it's the only missing piece that would stop me from migrating from eu-west-1 to eu-central-1.)

jonifico 14 hours ago 0 replies      
Pretty rad!
Vatican Library Puts 4,000 Ancient Manuscripts Available Online for Free
219 points by Shivetya  13 hours ago   112 comments top 13
adriand 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Absolutely incredible. Historical documents like this are priceless. I always get a chill when I look at stuff like this: these manuscripts give us the opportunity to "hear" from minds that vanished from this earth centuries ago.

Even if you can't read the text, there's something moving about seeing the painstaking and beautiful work that went into creating these. Those marks were made by a hand that has long since turned to dust... Made by someone who felt that what they had to communicate was vitally important to humanity.

sadfaceunread 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Can we change this link to the actual source? http://www.mss.vatlib.it/guii/scan/link.jsp

Or the Vatican library homepage or this tweet:https://twitter.com/vaticanlibrary/status/522270002012246016

valarauca1 12 hours ago 3 replies      
The Vatican is really a amazing piece of history in and of itself. Despite how you may personally feel about its religion, or the effects of it on the world. The enlightened western world we live in today would not exist without it, and without all the knowledge, art, and culture it (and its local branches) preserved for ~1000+ years.
netcan 12 hours ago 3 replies      
The Vatican is also turning to crowdfunding and is now seeking donations of 5o save a single page in a manuscript, while donations of at least 1,000 will see the backer included on the official supporters list

If they had literally put this on kickstarter, it would have been sureal.

amass 7 hours ago 0 replies      
My university has a very similar digitized collection, albeit smaller. One common denominator with these types of online collections is software that leaves much to be desired. Accessing the collection and searching through it is usually very painful. I realize they are on a tight budget, but it is disappointing nonetheless. Maybe it would be a good open source project.
sakri 13 hours ago 3 replies      
That Aztec illustration!

I was a bit disappointed with all the mentions of "ancient" and the oldest thing on that page was 400 AD.

WalterBright 8 hours ago 2 replies      
> The Vatican is also still seeking funds to digitise the remaining 76,000 manuscripts, which it estimates will take more than 15 years, over 50m, and the efforts of more than 150 specialised experts.

What I'd do is do a quick pass over all the documents with a basic digital camera and store them as jpgs. Then, go back and do the painstaking, hi res scans.

I also worry about "FITS, the format developed by Nasa" for long term storage, as we all know what has happened to older Nasa storage formats and technologies. When I archive family pictures and stuff, I use jpg, for the simple reason of its ubiquity.

mmmm 13 hours ago 5 replies      
Anyone know if it's ok to make profit out of these?

Think: Retouch and sell as a painting.

gdonelli 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Is there actually a website to see the digitized art works?
orionblastar 10 hours ago 1 reply      
At one point in time before we had universities, science and math research was done in monasteries. The Vatican paid for a lot of that research and education. So I assume they got a lot of books they collects or had written that they want to made free access to the public by digitizing them.

A lot of people have left the Catholic Church to go to Non-Denominational Churches, or else just became Atheists. So passing the hat around doesn't work as well as it used to.

Priests and Nuns take a vow of poverty, they are not spending the money on themselves. They use it for food panties, for homeless shelters, for healthcare, for education, and to pay their employees. A lot of times churches are in debt even if the people pledge to donate over a million dollars to the church, people don't always donate what they pledge or promise and many families even with good paying jobs just don't donate at all. There is nothing that forces people to donate 10% of their salary to a church, in fact most donate less than that. Some don't donate anything at all.

The documents won't rot away they are being taken care of and preserved. If there is not enough donations to digitize them, the world will have to go without them.

Just think this is a large collection of books from around the world that hasn't been seen since the Library of Alexandria. Books that were protected from the Nazis who wanted to burn them. Books that governments had wanted banned or censored. Books that brought about human advancement and civilization throughout history.

tempodox 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Om nom, this is highly tasty. I hope one day all libraries will be accessible like that.
JoeAltmaier 13 hours ago 5 replies      
They want to crowd-fund the digitizing of their own collection? A multi-billion-dollar outfit needs to pass the hat to keep their own house in order?
cristianpascu 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Yeah, people will only then know that Galilei was not actually burned or tortured for "proving" that the Earth is not the center of the Universe.
Apple Maps Connect
84 points by Aqua_Geek  8 hours ago   34 comments top 14
denzil_correa 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Basically, it is intended for business to add themselves on Apple Maps aka crowd sourcing. There is also an indoor positioning for businesses that qualify certain criteria. SearchEngineLand has some screenshots of the process to add your business on Apple Maps.


SAS24 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I would bet that this is directly related to Apple's 2013 acquisition Locationary -http://allthingsd.com/20130719/apple-acquires-local-data-out...

This is exactly what Dan and Grant built Locationary for, to crowdsource and manage (validation, collisions, conflicts) massive location based datasets.

Locationary's Saturn platform was worldwide, with hundreds of thousands of locations outside the US, so I'm guessing its only a matter of time before Apple opens it up.

rubyn00bie 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm sort of at a loss why this is being upvoted-- am I missing something? I feel like other people are excited about this but I can't for the life of me see why...

This is something that every mapping product should have, no? Really not trying to troll just trying to figure out what I missed...

koenigdavidmj 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Still not going to be interested in Apple Maps until they start to update their data. Mercer St in Seattle is one of the main east-west routes between the highway and surface streets, and they still haven't figured out that it is a two-way street (which happened close to a year ago), and that most of Broad St no longer exists. This makes it useless for quite a lot of people here: basically anyone in the Belltown, Queen Anne, and Magnolia neighborhoods.
TranquilMarmot 7 hours ago 2 replies      
What is it? I don't have an Apple ID and have no interest in creating one.
jonnynezbo 7 hours ago 2 replies      
This is half-baked. I started the process to add a business, and halfway through I accidentally clicked off of the 'Add Business' popup. It lost all of my info (I thought), so I started over with the 'Add Business' wizard. Once I submitted for approval, I could then see the old entry that I started. But, you can't even delete businesses yet - so now there is a half-filled-out business just sitting there.
fernly 4 hours ago 2 replies      
Bizarre design. Pretty tourist pics and an Apple sign-in. Which Lastpass fills in anyway, so heck, I sign in. And then I am looking at "frosted glass" rectangle (Yosemite desktop effect I assume) that covers the pretty pics and asks if I have a small business.

No, I do not. But there is no way to say that. Nothing to explain what this page would do for me if I did, and nothing to tell me what use it is (or isn't) since I don't. No back-story at all. Why did I sign in?

ChuckMcM 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I didn't like the part where it asked me to move the pin to the location but didn't have map tiles for the location!
Walkman 4 hours ago 0 replies      

    Request limit exceeded.    You have exceeded your page request limit. Please try again later.

    What is your business address?    United States (with no input option, static text)

SG- 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Seems to be US only for adding addresses.
borland 7 hours ago 2 replies      
BEWARE. When I try log in it says my apple account has been locked out for security reasons. I went and reset the password and successfully logged into a bunch of other apple stuff, but when I tried to log into maps connect it said I was locked out again.
philfreo 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Built using Bootstrap and Angular
chrisabrams 5 hours ago 1 reply      
How come this doesn't work on an iPhone?
Polarity 4 hours ago 0 replies      
next up: Apple Search (spotlight for the browser
CSS-only plotting
69 points by teddet  7 hours ago   24 comments top 7
judofyr 6 hours ago 4 replies      
Might as well use inline styling to accomplish the same (without adding tons of CSS):

    <div class="bar-chart">      <ul>        <li style="height:99%">99%</li>        <li style="height:50%">50%</li>        <li style="height:30%">30%</li>        <li style="height:90%">90%</li>        <li style="height:10%">10%</li>        <li style="height:70%">70%</li>        <li style="height:30%">30%</li>        <li style="height:90%">90%</li>      </ul>    </div>

BoppreH 7 hours ago 3 replies      
I loved the simplicity, and wanted to know how it was done.


  .bar-chart ul li[data-cp-size="0"] {  height: 0%;  }  .bar-chart ul li[data-cp-size="1"] {  height: 1%;  }  .bar-chart ul li[data-cp-size="2"] {  height: 2%;  }  ...
Still find it cool, but a 1200 line CSS may be a bit too much for a practical application.

rco8786 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Neat idea, a little disappointed looking at the source though. A class for every possible datapoint doesn't scale particularly well.
bbx 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Usually, "CSS-only" articles and repos are either technically impressive, or clever solutions for production environment problems.

Considering attribute selectors have been around for a while, I fail to see a decent use case. Any progress bar or 2-dimensional chart of this kind needs to be generated dynamically, either through the backend or frontend, same thing. In this case, they're inserted as data attribute values. What's the difference with using inline style attributes (left: 10%; width: 90%)? They're generated automatically, so verbosity is not an issue. And you'd save yourself 1200 lines of CSS.

What about flexibility? CSS provides the ability to style each of the 400 options differently, right? Well using a "x24 y78" CSS class would be as simple. But in the end, you only want to give different height/width bottom/left values. The styling remains unchanged.

Writing every possible option of a dynamically generated chart into a static CSS file, just for the sake of "Simplicity" and "No javascript required" seems like an overkill.

On a side note, anything dealing with percentages instead of pixel values is automatically granted the keyword "Responsive".

bennettfeely 3 hours ago 0 replies      
No need for duplicating the value in the attribute and also in the element by including this snippet.

  [data-cp-size]:after { content: attr(data-cp-size) "%"; }

evan_ 6 hours ago 0 replies      
With the addition of a few CSS transition rules these could be animated really easily.
caiob 6 hours ago 0 replies      
if only CSS supported for loops and variables..
Microsoft Cloud Strength and Hardware Progress Drive Record Q1 Revenue
62 points by theatraine  7 hours ago   18 comments top 5
fidotron 5 hours ago 1 reply      
The cloud stuff, especially Azure, is Microsoft at their best - and Nadella having come from that part of the business is what preserves hope for the long run.

The reason for this is MS are on the backfoot, but instead of playing defensively they've gone all out to hit every selling point their competition have, and then add their own stuff too, while leveraging what is quite a lot of existing small and medium business lockin to migrate over to the cloud as appropriate. Many people (myself included) thought Amazon, Rackspace etc. would prevent this from working, but they've done it really well.

I've also seen a lot of companies move to Office 365, when previously they'd have gone with Google Docs. They seem to have prevented that threat from getting much further too.

Devagamster 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Is it just me or does this seem really good? Im not a econ buff but those percentages are higher than I would have expected.
codeulike 6 hours ago 2 replies      
Surface Pro 3 momentum drove Surface revenue of $908 million.

How many SP3's is that?

stephengillie 6 hours ago 1 reply      
I don't know what automated process built that page, but Send to Kindle (for Chrome) just chokes and dies on it. All it can parse is the disclaimer.
ChuckMcM 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Sigh, I can't find any breakout for Bing results.
Verizon Wireless injecting tracking UIDs into HTTP requests
231 points by pillfill  8 hours ago   108 comments top 28
gergles 8 hours ago 12 replies      
They don't appear to be doing this if you've opted out of "Relevant Mobile Advertising", which is another option [separate from CPNI] on http://verizonwireless.com/myprivacy.

Here's the setting you're looking for:


Mods may also want to update the title to include "Wireless" after Verizon; Verizon landline is not doing this anywhere AFAIK.

youzer 8 hours ago 4 replies      
Let's say I want to send some TCP. That TCP happens to kind of look like HTTP, but it's not. It's just some protocol I made up which looks HTTPish enough to trigger this injection.

Doesn't that mean that Verizon isn't actually offering TCP/IP (Internet) access, since they corrupt my protocol stream in transit? Shoudln't that mean they should be charged with fraud if they continue to advertise the fact that they provide internet access when what they really provide is a broken version of TCP they made up?

It's a serious question.

scintill76 48 minutes ago 0 replies      
Seems similar to Apple's Spotlight phone-home thing: unsolicited extra data being sent, a somewhat buried disclosure that it's happening, people having difficulty getting their opt-out preference honored (possibly caused by several confusingly-similar options to disable.)

It does sound like Verizon's is more a case of simply not honoring the option, though, unless some commenters here have just not found the magic checkbox yet.

kator 8 hours ago 1 reply      
This has been going on for ages, not sure why people just now noticed it.

They were testing it last year, you could clearly see these headers on a large percentage of traffic coming from their gateways.

I'm not expressing an opinion one way or another but they clearly felt the UID is not directly identifiable and thus does not become a privacy issue until they share the mapping of the UID to customer data.

My guess is in their minds if you opt-out they just do not provide your UID to 3rd parties for targeting.

In the ever increasing dream of cross device marketing (think your iPad, iPhone and Laptop) many companies are trying to figure out ways to connect these devices to a single individual or family.

IIRC Verizon quietly started rolling out service wide TOS changes to allow this sort of thing a couple years back. That said I'm not sure if their TOS makes it clear how this is implemented and what potential side effects might be caused by the way they've implemented them.

jo_ 8 hours ago 4 replies      
This makes me rather unhappy. I'm seeing this on Verizon. Can someone with an alternative mobile provider like Sprint or T-Mobile test this, too?
tedchs 4 hours ago 0 replies      
On my Verizon Moto X (Android), the header is not visible if I use the Chrome feature "Reduce data usage", but it is visible if I disable that feature or, ironically, use Incognito mode. This feature causes non-SSL, non-Incognito traffic to be proxied through Google's servers, using the SPDY protocol. Some info on how this works: https://developer.chrome.com/multidevice/data-compression
tedks 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Doesn't examining/modifying data exempt you from the DMCA safe harbor protections?
Spooky23 4 hours ago 0 replies      
VZW does all sorts of weird traffic management. They proxy everything and will throttle applications deemed to chatty as well.
ChuckMcM 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Bummer, the iPad (LTE version) sends this tracking information and there is no way to turn it off.
mfkp 8 hours ago 6 replies      
Hmm, confirmed on Verizon 4G LTE network.

Can anybody recommend a good VPN service that works on android?

micah_chatt 7 hours ago 1 reply      
When I try to 'withdraw consent' for 'Verizon Selects Participation Status', I get this prompt http://imgur.com/sbVpMhR
13throwaway 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Here's a scary thought: How do we know every ISP isn't doing this, it would be undetectable if they only injected these on certain domains e.g. facebook, google. However I don't see how much more tracking ability that would grant over IP tracking.
bndw 7 hours ago 1 reply      
You can view all of your device's request headers at http://checkyourinfo.com/request
srj 4 hours ago 0 replies      
As this requires reassembling the HTTP request to add the additional header, this probably introduces extra latency too.

Fortunately https is becoming more pervasive which bypasses this and any other transparent proxies.

edallme 6 hours ago 0 replies      
kator 5 hours ago 2 replies      
Just checked my Verizon 4G LTE MiFi and the headers are not there, I've not done anything special to my account settings.

On ATT I see the X-Acr thing but not clear if it's UID like or not in nature, would need to see more of them.

pillfill 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Just confirmed that the UID follows the SIM, so even swapping phones won't save you.
ArtDev 8 hours ago 3 replies      
This looks like a job for Tunnelbear VPN!https://www.tunnelbear.com/

I am huge fan since I starting using it when traveling Europe. The mobile version works great as well.

chatmasta 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm on Verizon and got "did not receive X-UIDH header" message from uidh.crud.net. Possibly because it says "1x" at the top of my phone and that means it's on another network?
Floegipoky 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Where's the class-action lawsuit?
leejoramo 7 hours ago 2 replies      
I assume there are similar opt-outs for AT&T, Sprint, T-Moblie, etc. Anyone maintain a page of links for how to access the opt-outs?
ericlitman 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Useful to note that the UIDH changes every 7 days.
dzhiurgis 5 hours ago 1 reply      
How is this UID different to an IP address?
lpgauth 8 hours ago 1 reply      
This as been known for a while and it's used by some advertisers...
peterwwillis 6 hours ago 2 replies      

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When you register on our sites, we may assign an anonymous, unique identifier. This may allow select advertising entities to use information they have about your web browsing on a desktop computer to deliver marketing messages to mobile devices on our network. We do not share any information that identifies you personally outside of Verizon as part of this program. You have a choice about whether to participate, and you can you can visit our relevant mobile advertising page (link to www.vzw.com/myprivacy) to learn more or advise us of your choice.

Customer Proprietary Network Information (CPNI):[..]Verizon Wireline consumers and certain business customers may opt-out by calling 1-866-483-9700. Verizon Wireless consumer and certain business customers may call 1-800-333-9956. Other customers may decline to provide or withdraw CPNI consent by following the instructions in the Verizon notice seeking consent. For additional information, you can read examples of common consumer CPNI notices for Verizon Wireline and Verizon Wireless.

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sbarker 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm on Verizon and got "did not receive X-UIDH header". 4G, droid ultra, FL
sp332 8 hours ago 2 replies      
How do you opt out of CPNI?
booleanbetrayal 7 hours ago 0 replies      
also seeing this despite CNPI settings. class-action time?
Assange: Google Is Not What It Seems
183 points by rcamera  6 hours ago   109 comments top 19
hardwaresofton 2 hours ago 4 replies      
Despite all the people that think he sounds like a lunatic, is any of what he is saying a lie? Lots of people who sound like lunatics but aren't telling lies are worth listening to, I think.

So, he's putting a lot of "these guys are all evil" spin on it, but then again, all the connections he is making seem to be true. Whether it means Google is in bed with the US government or not is up to the reader (with nudging from him, of course), but I don't anyone confronted with this many factual connections between a CEO of a mega corporation and government actors could simply write this off as "lunacy".

I think most people in the tech industry (and sadly not many people outside it) have already realized the Google is very very big-brothery.

TheMagicHorsey 4 hours ago 7 replies      
I did not realize what a nut Assange has become. The more there is the danger that he might be forgotten, the more ridiculous his theories of the world.

However, you have to think about his target audience. The audience doesn't consist of people who are familiar with things like DARPA grants, and think tanks. For people in the know, this writing will read like lunacy, because they will understand that Assange sees demons behind every innocuous shadow. Some random college kid from middle America, on the other hand, won't know that his writing is lunacy.

For example, think about his casual implication that DARPA funding of Page and Brin's Stanford research might be a signal of their nefarious links to some cabal of elites in the defense industry. Anyone who has worked in a top-ten engineering program knows that nothing could be further from the truth. Those grants go out, in a bureaucratic fashion, to tons of people, without any such elites getting involved at all. In fact the worst thing you can say about those DARPA grants is that they are haphazardly doled out for some real stupid projects.

But think about how that accusation looks to some kid. It seems like there is this grand conspiracy because Larry Page and Sergey Brin took DARPA money ... of course they must be deep cover CIA implants right?

Its complete stupidity from start to finish, but its the type of stupidity that can only be debunked by actually being there and seeing that Assange speaks nonsense. This guy is an entertainer and self-promoter of extraordinary cunning. Think of the audacity it takes to write this gibberish with such confidence.

modifier 3 hours ago 2 replies      
To any "outsider" unfamiliar with Hacker News, it's heavily populated with Google employees, contractors, and developers that build on to Google products and services.

Keep that in mind when you read the comments here.

chiaro 5 hours ago 4 replies      
He writes well, and it's an interesting look at how intertwined the government has become (was it ever not?) enmeshed with corporate empires. Unfortunately in the wider population, Google's image is nigh unassailable. The average user wouldn't know about their being saddled with military contracts through their Boston Dynamics acquisition, for example. For this, and other reasons, 99 times out of 100, "free market" consumer action such as boycotts have negligible impact. That's alright though, when you can trust the state to properly monitor and regulate ethical conduct, though it doesn't look like we'll be quite so lucky here.

Regulatory capture is one of the biggest problems in the government today, but the solution isn't decreasing the power of the government over companies, it's decreasing the power of companies over the government.

pedalpete 4 hours ago 4 replies      
Sadly, I found the following pieces gave Assange so little credibility that if he had just written about the last 3rd of the article, it would seem more credible to me.

If a suspended employee was shopping around "the location of the encrypted file, paired with the passwords whereabouts" and in "two weeks most intelligence agencies, contractors and middlemen would have all the cables", wouldn't you just move the files and change the password?

He then goes on to say "Not only had Hillary Clintons people known that Eric Schmidts partner had visited me, but they had also elected to use her [Lisa Sheilds] as a back channel." However, he never mentions who Lisa Sheilds is, just that was Schmidts 'partner'.

I had to research it, but apparently she works for the "Council on Foreign Relations" http://www.cfr.org/staff/b5862 They do a horrible job explaining what they do. But I find it odd that Assange would have left out this details. Sheilds is a conduit to Clinton as well as Schmidts partner. This is an important detail.

"While WikiLeaks had been deeply involved in publishing the inner archive of the U.S. State Department, the U.S. State Department had, in effect, snuck into the WikiLeaks command center and hit me up for a free lunch." Assange blames Google, but he was naive enough to take a meeting, not knowing who the people setting up or attending were? I find this doubtful.

"The last forty years have seen a huge proliferation of think tanks and political NGOs whose purpose, beneath all the verbiage, is to execute political agendas by proxy." Which direction is this statement going? The state is influencing the political agenda's of corporations? or vice versa. Was it any other way, and is this a problem as Assange seems to assume it is?

Google and the Council on Foreign Affairs put together a conference to 'workshop technological solutions to the problem of violent extremism.' This sounds like a good thing to me, but Assange condescendingly and rhetorically asks "What could go wrong?", ok, I'll bite. What went wrong? Unfortunately, he never answers.

"Google Ideas is bigger, but it follows the same game plan. Glance down the speaker lists of its annual invite-only get-togethers, such as Crisis in a Connected World in October 2013. Social network theorists and activists give the event a veneer of authenticity, but in truth it boasts a toxic piata of attendees: U.S. officials, telecom magnates, security consultants, finance capitalists and foreign-policy tech vultures... " Invite-only ? Really? Is this surprising for such a gathering? If so, what are the activists doing with the foreign-policy tech vultures? Who's calling them vultures?

"I began to think of Schmidt as a brilliant but politically hapless Californian tech billionaire who had been exploited by ... U.S. foreign-policy types". He again here is assuming that Schmidts agenda and that of US Foreign Policy are not aligned.

If this article didn't have Julian Assange posted all over it, I almost think it would be more credible. What I've never understood about those who praise Assange (not WikiLeaks as an idea, but the way Assange runs it) is that he's as bad as many of the actions of people reported in the leaks. He has his own political agenda, and is given a huge volume of classified information by a third party, and he then decides what of these classified information gets published and what doesn't. What makes him the deciding factor in all of this? If you think you're doing good publishing information that others think is classified, than publish the information. Don't pick through it, see what you think will make headlines or embarrass people you don't like, and publish only that which you feel is fit to press.

pandatigox 4 hours ago 1 reply      
> By mid-August we discovered that a former German employeewhom I had suspended in 2010was cultivating business relationships with a variety of organizations and individuals by shopping around the location of the encrypted file, paired with the passwords whereabouts in the book

I remember reading Daniel Domscheit-Berg's (or was known as Daniel Schmidt, I think) book "Inside WikiLeaks", which talked about Assange's increasing paranoia.

I'm sad to read that the former German employee was once someone very important to Wikileak's early days and, if you read the book, someone who was very close to the man himself.

I'm suddenly more worried about Julian Assange and his paranoid/conspiracy theory view of the world

incision 4 hours ago 1 reply      
That was interesting.

I've always been a bit curious about Schmidt and what sort of measure someone who is neither in awe nor seeking to impress might make of him.

I think the whole piece is probably best summed up with this line towards then end.

>"What Lockheed Martin was to the twentieth century, technology and cyber-security companies will be to the twenty-first."

That certainly makes sense.

bane 1 hour ago 0 replies      
So Google does business with the U.S. government? No duh. It's not exactly a state secret, it's not like Google doesn't post job openings at the Washington D.C. and Reston, VA locations for people who want to sell and support the government.

Here's the contract awards



Of course they want to sell to the government. The government has money.

oskarth 59 minutes ago 1 reply      
I noticed something curious in the comment section:

DARPA is mentioned exactly once in this article and then mostly as a tangential point. Despite this, it's mentioned several times in multiple critical top-level comments here in the comment section.

ebgfkjnbe 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I suggest that people reading these comments look through the posting histories of the people bashing Assange and make a judgement about whether or not they're real people.

You be the judge.

lern_too_spel 5 hours ago 8 replies      
The last section reads like the ravings of a conspiracy nut. From associating the DARPA grants that fund many university computer science projects with nefarious spy collaboration to repeating PRISM is the long-debunked full take program of Greenwald's fantasy, it's straight lunacy.
dwd 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Any time you read an article by Assange you have to read it in context and using his meaning for some key concepts:

Some further reading:http://estaticos.elmundo.es/documentos/2010/12/01/conspiraci...


state 5 hours ago 1 reply      
I don't see the point. Just read the original text. https://wikileaks.org/Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt.htm...
cromwellian 3 hours ago 2 replies      
A lot of innuendo and guilt by association, political conspiracy ala Kevin Bacon. I suppose isolation tends to produce conspiracy theories. I'll get down voted for this of course.

When Assange is raising concerns about a potential Google monopoly over the whole of the internet, he is of course, raising a legitimate concern. But the attempts by Assange, and people like Yasha Levine, to tie Google into the military industrial complex are weak sauce. The point about DARPA funding is particularly bullshit. Is any student who ever worked using research funds or equipment from DARPA at a university, and later goes on to found another company, beholden to the agenda of that organization? I worked on projects in college where I scarcely knew where the funds were coming from or who I should be paying my allegiance to.

HonorSworn 4 hours ago 1 reply      
It is not that I believe that Google and Eric Schmidt along with the government are part of some kind of conspiracy. And I do acknowledge that someone like Assange probably is much more paranoid than he should be.

It is simply that we should not voluntarily give so much power to a single company.

AshleysBrain 5 hours ago 2 replies      
In all of Chrome, Firefox and IE, after a few moments the page background turns black, and then it's unreadable (black text on black background). Is this happening to anyone else? Is there a readable link? :P
yuhong 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Personally, I do think asking Eric Schmidt to leak this kind of stuff was a horrible idea. But this reminds me of the anti poaching scandal:



pkrs 3 hours ago 1 reply      
A lot of what he writes has nothing to do with the facts but rather adds to the general "evil theme".

Somehow he was able to paint having "analyticity" as a bad thing: "Schmidts dour appearance concealed a machinelike analyticity".

And acquisitions are conveniently renamed into takeovers: "In 2004, after taking over Keyhole"

And then this. I don't even:

"The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist. McDonalds cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valleys technologies to flourish is called the U.S. Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps."

lotsofmangos 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Is interesting to read other people's suppositions on this stuff. In a similar vein, I tend to think of Facebook as being just another government agency, but Google has always been much more curious. Google seems to have ambition beyond getting close to power, Google has since the very earliest days seemed that it is interested in being a power in and of itself. The International Olympic Committee has this unusual designation of being a non-geographical state-like entity. I suspect Google would also like that designation.
How Crowdsourcing Turned on Me
53 points by dnetesn  10 hours ago   10 comments top 9
Animats 24 minutes ago 0 replies      
Bad design. Anybody could mess up the job. In any large, anonymous group, there will be a certain number of assholes. Of course it didn't work. Ask anyone involved in running an IRC channel, or an MMORPG, or a factory.

Given the problem they were solving (reassembling images shredded into strips) they needed something where, when two strips were put together by a human, a program decided if they matched closely, and, if so, locked them together for further editing. That would constrain the workers to make forward progress. You might need an unlock capability if there was a false match, but that should take the cooperation of several people.

incision 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Fascinating stuff, not at all what I was expecting. Two things come to mind reading this.

1.) The crowdsourced and algorithmic solutions seem to be framed in contrast if not exclusive to each other here. I wonder if combining the two couldn't have helped avoid this:

>'However, the crowd was hopeless against a determined attacker. Before the first attack, our progress on the fourth puzzle had combined 39,299 moves by 342 users over more than 38 hours. Destroying all this progress required just 416 moves by one attacker in about an hour.'

I'm wondering if it's easier to create a 'bouncer' algorithm that detects and blocks/reverts aberrant behavior than to solve the core puzzle itself. If that problem is in fact easier - identifying 'hurtful' or unusual moves, could addressing it help the core solution by helping avoid non-malicious 'back sliding' too?

(I have no clue about these things.)

2.) The sort self-importance expressed by the attacker is just awful.

Unlike the author, I don't see it as a concern about "how crowdsourcing puts the collective potential of humans above technology". That almost sounds noble.

This impresses me as plain old envy and entitlement, an overgrown cousin to every "Why is this on HN?" or "Why is this on the front page? I submitted this before and no one voted for it." comment on HN. The whole thing is one big "should" of personal gratification.

Jemaclus 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Just as an exercise in 20/20 hindsight, it seems to me that the easiest change to make is to not trust every player implicitly. In other words, you enforce some level of duplication in the work. If enough people agree that this piece goes there, then it goes there, and if not, then it doesn't. A single attacker is unlikely to be able to undo the work of dozens of supporters, even if it takes less time and effort to undermine the truth.

I believe Foursquare did something like this with regards to their recommendations. They'd ask questions about locations (e.g., pick a beautiful picture, is this place classy?, is it loud?, etc), and only when enough people agreed would they use the information in recommendations.

semiel 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Really interesting article. I think we've only begun to scratch the surface of what's possible with crowdsourcing.

To me, the author's failure seems to be a straightforward one of design. The system allowed attackers to ruin everyone's work, and to do so in a much shorter time than the positive work took. It seems to me that it should be possible to design a system that doesn't have these properties. (Of course it's probably not trivial to do that without making it harder for honest people to participate. But that's a design challenge, not a fundamental flaw of crowdsourcing.)

patrickphilips 6 hours ago 0 replies      
'In retrospect, it might have been foolish to assume that every member of an anonymous crowd would act according to our best interests.'

In my experience with crowdsourcing, most people actually will complete your task honestly and genuinely. Some may not understand it, but they generally just give back noise and cancel each other out. You'll almost always get a few malicious people though, even if their motivations aren't as straightforward as this case.

If you forget to account for this adversarial subset of folks, eventually you're gonna get got. Very cool story/use-case though.

probablyfiction 6 hours ago 1 reply      
The ability to ban rogue users would likely have helped them immensely. An invitation-only system would probably have been of benefit as well.

Nothing is foolproof, obviously, but their users were working quickly. They only would have needed to keep malicious users away for a limited time in order to achieve success.

The author likely doesn't have much real-world experience with users or his team would have built this sort of capability into the software from the ground up. Any dev worth his or her salt knows to never trust any user.

JackFr 4 hours ago 0 replies      
So this is like a speeded up Wikipedia.
angersock 4 hours ago 0 replies      
In other words, creation took 100 times as many moves and about 40 times longer than destruction.

So, yeah, pick your new engineering hires veeeery carefully.

GhotiFish 5 hours ago 0 replies      
This was a good read, but the author is not above narcissism it seems.

   He reminded me of the Luddites in the 19th century, who    destroyed the cotton- and wool-processing technology    that they feared would replace man with machine. Only in    this case, the concern was reversed: The attacker seemed    to dislike how crowdsourcing puts the collective    potential of humans above technology.
or sometimes extreme narcissism.

   artistic flare. The words are now what I imagine when    trying to express the struggle between the creative,    collective mind that emerges online, and the dark,    almost eerie forces that antagonize all kinds of genius.
In my experience, mobs like 4chan tend to descend on people who have high and mighty ideas of their actions. Though almost certainly in this case it was just because the tool was vulnerable to such activities.

The authors inability to empathise with "... and personally feel that crowdsourcing is basically cheating (and Im not the only one that feels this way)." is something that makes me leery as well. That's an understandable viewpoint, how is this going to work with actually classified documents?

Still, like I said, good read.

Patient in New York City Tests Positive for Ebola
58 points by jbarrec  3 hours ago   35 comments top 10
googler_314 1 hour ago 3 replies      
Before judging this man for going bowling etc., we should bear in mind that he caught Ebola working for Doctors without Borders in Guinea. I would guess that without workers like him, the risk to Americans and others outside Africa, would be much higher, since the disease would be spreading much faster within Africa. Hopefully he recovers and we can improve travel policies if necessary.
msie 2 hours ago 4 replies      
The doctor should have known better than to go to a bowling alley soon after he returned. Whether or not he was contagious now they have to perform contact tracing and disinfect the place.
knappador 29 minutes ago 0 replies      
How about "Doctor Returning From Guinea..." to more accurately reflect the geographic relationship instead of creating a bomb of a headline as if some random, yet-unknown vector resulted in Ebola in New York.
westward 47 minutes ago 1 reply      
Based on the timeline, he had to have contracted Ebola pretty much the day he left.

That seems pretty unusual, isn't it? How long was he there, a couple months?

"Symptoms usually occur within eight to 10 days of infection and Dr. Spencer had been home nine days when he reported feeling ill." That's not including travel time local and international.

That's a tight schedule!

akjetma 1 hour ago 2 replies      
Do location-based services work in the NYC subway? I suppose you could also infer locations and transfers based on train schedules and tower handoff times upon emerging from stations. I mean, if there is a 21-day gestation period between infection time and the ability to retransmit the disease, it seems like it would be worthwhile/possible to look into.

Apologies for the cliche 'use technology to solve all the problems' HN comment.

uptown 1 hour ago 0 replies      
He was a passenger in an Uber. It doesn't sound like they've made any effort to ensure the vehicle was cleaned.


uptown 1 hour ago 0 replies      
NYCs Ebola Patient Visited:


-An Uber car

-The High Line

-A restaurant

-A Train

-Jogged 3 miles

-L Train

-1 Train

-The Gutter

001sky 2 hours ago 1 reply      
"People infected with Ebola cannot spread the disease until they begin to display symptoms, and it cannot be spread through the air. As people become sicker, the viral load in the body builds, and they become more and more contagious."

This is sort of misleading in this context, unfortunately. The WHO considers (sustained presence) within 1 meter of EBV carrier to be ~physical exposure. The young doctor appears to have been on a NYC subway within 12 hours of having a fever of 103. Creating a potential group of exposures that may be un-traceable.

Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong. But this would be highly unfortunate if these reports are correct. Presumably the uber driver is also in this group now, but records should be able to provide some data on that one much easier.

joe_the_user 1 hour ago 0 replies      
"Many signs point to the viral load not being highly infectious at the beginning. Duncan was sent back to his home by the hospital and lived with his fiance who was taking care of him for two days before being readmitted. She wore no PPE yet appears to be uninfected. If sitting next to someone infected on a bus or subway is enough to pass it on, there would be a million cases in West Africa by now, not 10K. It appears to be primarily caregivers at the later stages of the disease, and the custom of kissing corpses that appear to be spreading the disease because the viral load is extreme at that stage. This doesn't mean that the potential contacts of this person should not be traced or that it was good idea for him to go bowling, but the sky isn't falling just yet."wfjackson https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8501792

Please look at this first

imaginenore 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Wow, this moron went bowling and took a taxi.


Facebook Rooms
118 points by jamesjyu  10 hours ago   81 comments top 34
casebash 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Facebook's strategy to create separate apps is a good one, but Rooms seem rather niche. Facebook groups are better for many purposes since they have access to notifications and the newsfeed. Reddit probably works better for large groups and allows anonymity too (though not on a per Reddit basis). So Rooms work for groups where anonymity is valuable (ie. sharing secrets, controversial opinions, ect) and where the groups aren't too large. Here, the discovery mechanism being overly complex actually does provide an advantage. It makes it more likely to be "underground" and hence cool.
goblin89 9 hours ago 3 replies      
Quite unexpected on the part of Facebook, and looks like an interesting project.

A couple of points on their Privacy page bothers me, though:

> Once you confirm your account, you may delete content you have posted at any time. <>

> To sign up for Rooms, you may provide us with information such as an email address and usernames. <>

> We may share information about you within the companies and services operated by Facebook to understand and improve our services [but the information from Rooms won't be posted to Facebook and vice-versa].

It'd be more fun if you couldn't delete your content (so that messages posted a while ago don't lose their context), but instead you could be absolutely anonymous (not even having to provide valid email address, which per above will quite likely be matched with your Facebook account at some point).

berberous 7 hours ago 1 reply      
The UX is so silly. Give me a list of damn rooms I can join, or a search feature. I'm all for the screenshot invite method as an additional feature, but it's a terrible onboarding process and I think will make many people not bother.
knicholes 7 hours ago 3 replies      
Holy shit! It's IRC.
Robadob 9 hours ago 2 replies      
Shame that it's currently ios only. Any chance of a web/android app, or is this purely an experimental product for the time being?
darkstar999 5 hours ago 4 replies      
How can anyone justify building an iOS-only app when it's only 11% of the market, while Android is 84%?
clay_to_n 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I made a Hacker News room, if nothing else so that people can test an actual room when they see this comment thread.


13throwaway 6 hours ago 0 replies      
From what I can tell it seems like room names are not unique. I think this is the reason for the "join by screenshot" feature.
consultutah 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Facebook takes on Reddit, et. al.
Jamie452 6 hours ago 2 replies      

A room to talk about your recent projects, upcoming hackathons/events, or to simply ask for help!

Let's kick this thing off!


gailees 10 hours ago 0 replies      
"The item you tried to buy is no longer available."
zzyzzx 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Silicon Valley problems: http://i.imgur.com/sxa2F76.jpg
eva1984 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Downloaded this app out of curiosity, but deleted it 10 minutes later after failing to find an entrance but stuck at some weird barcode pages...Anyone with me?
gearoidoc 10 hours ago 1 reply      
I visited the website twice and still don't really have an idea what this app does.

Localised Pinterest is my current guess? :\

Jamie452 7 hours ago 0 replies      
A room for those in London.

Londoners - http://i.imgur.com/zlnB5AR.png

Come and join in :)

michaelmior 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Seems quite similar to what I was once working on at Bunch[0].

[0] http://www.joinbunch.com/

siavosh 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Hmm, is there no facebook login option or requirement? Not that it's a bad thing.
carrotted 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Works for me! Made a subreddit for sharing invites to rooms: http://reddit.com/r/roominvites

Here's one for San Francisco: http://i.imgur.com/qkks5gt.jpg

rossfishkind 6 hours ago 0 replies      

A room to talk about design, tools and tricks of the trade, projects, etc.


Napapijri 10 hours ago 2 replies      
Interesting to see all these Facebook projects. Looks like this one could be the most promising yet.
pepitogr 9 hours ago 0 replies      
What is the room for not buying anything at all? I don't want to share interest in any product.

I would like to see an ancient greek thinker comming to one of theses rooms and wondering what are people talking about here.

dude_abides 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Room for Fantasy Football Sit/Start Advice - http://i.imgur.com/OVOLbjP.png
calbear81 10 hours ago 2 replies      
So it's kind of like 4Chan?
api 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Rooms - participate in an unpaid focus group for your favorite products!
pavel_lishin 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Kind of annoying that it's mobile- and apple-only.
mkoller 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Looking forward for an android port.
stefan_kendall3 7 hours ago 0 replies      
"The item you tried to buy is no longer available."

They pulled it.

ChrisArchitect 10 hours ago 2 replies      
what is the difference between this and groups or pages? arrrrrrrrgh
miguelrochefort 9 hours ago 0 replies      
A poor imitation.
OedipusRex 10 hours ago 1 reply      
This is like GroupMe and YikYak had a child and they decided they needed to add "rooms". I don't see this going anywhere.
minimaxir 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Rooms is analogus to Slingshot: both apps are cheap clones of popular apps (Whisper/YikYak and Snapchat respectively) with an extra dose of quirky-and-random to appeal to the younger demographic.

I expect Rooms to see the same success as Slingshot. That is, none at all.

ropiku 10 hours ago 3 replies      
Did it get pulled or not propagated correctly ?I get "The item you tried to buy is no longer available." on US Appstore.
fragmede 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Isn't this Instagram/Vine?
c2prods 10 hours ago 4 replies      
It seems not to be available anymore :(
The laborers of content moderation on Facebook
58 points by InternetGiant  16 hours ago   4 comments top 3
bashinator 4 hours ago 1 reply      
What does it say that there's no commentary here? Collective guilt over the human cost of maintaining these services? I also wonder how a site like Ello would deal with this, if they became big enough to need this kind of content moderation.

I can't imagine having to look at the worst humanity has to offer for eight hours a day. It should merit hazard pay and unlimited psychological counseling at the very least.

shenanigoat 2 hours ago 0 replies      
This was an incredibly sad article. Traumatizing thousands of third (developing?) world citizens to keep our Facebooks and Youtubes free from the depravity and horrors of humankind....and, um, sex. If there ever was a need to effectively automate something it is this...for the sake of these poor workers, if nothing else. Replacing tens of thousands of workers with an algorithm would be insanely valuable as well.
jpatokal 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I wonder how hard it would be implement automatic face masking for these videos, to increase the viewer's emotional distance from what they're exposed to.
Building a Forex Trading Platform Using Kafka, Storm and Cassandra
96 points by jecs321  10 hours ago   22 comments top 6
fxthrowaway 7 hours ago 2 replies      
This is a somewhat related question about MetaTrader, which is the most popular FX platform.

It could be considered paranoid and jingoistic, so I apologize in advance to all the great Russian hackers out there.

Does anyone know anything about MetaQuotes (the maker of MetaTrader)? They're a trusted solution provider to many of the biggest banks in the world, and yet in my experience it's difficult to find anything about them online (the company, not the software).

I know it's a broad stereotype, but many Russian companies don't have the best reputations when it comes to business ethics. It's an open secret that many of the top oligarchs formed more or less a kleptocracy with the Putin administration, and that the rule of law is pretty shoddy when it comes to Western companies or individuals seeking justice.

Traders all over the world plug in their algorithms in plain text right into MetaTrader. Realistically, do they have anything to worry about, or am I being completely paranoid?

I don't mean to disparage MetaQuotes. As I said, I don't know anything about them, and they partner with big financial institutions all over the world. Many of these companies provide customized versions of MetaTrader, so I would imagine they might have access to some or all of the MetaTrader source code. I guess I'm just looking to be reassured.

What steps could a trader take on any platform in order to reduce exposure to potential bad actors? Is using an API from a broker the only solution?

Anyway, again my apologies if I offended anyone.

Update: their Wikipedia page has a few more articles on them than I remembered. Also, technically they are registered in Cyprus, but were founded in and are primarily based in Russia. Still, I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this issue:


scottlocklin 2 hours ago 1 reply      
"The foreign exchange market, or forex, is the biggest and the most liquid exchange service in the world with over $4 trillion worth of trades made every day."

Yes, and you are shut out of that market unless you're on the interbank (which generally means you are an actual bank). Retail forex "markets" are bucket shops that get first look at all their customer bids. The actual forex market is OTC.


Trading retail forex is a mug's game.

fasteo 10 hours ago 2 replies      
I am no expert in forex platforms, but this statement seems a bit off:

"individual investors only have a few simple tools at their disposal, e.g., Meta Trader or Ninja Trader"

Both meta trader and Ninja trader have powerful event-based scripting languages (MQL5 [1] and NinjaScript [2]) with a solid library of charts, strategies, indicators and order execution. More than that, they have a huge community providing all kinds of services around those platforms[3][4]

Other than that, Wolf seems like a nice piece of software.

[1] http://www.mql5.com/en/docs

[2] http://www.ninjatrader.com/support/helpGuides/nt7/

[3] http://www.mql5.com/en/signals/mt5

[4] http://www.metatrader5.com/en/automated-trading/mql5market

genericacct 6 hours ago 2 replies      
i fail to see the point in using hadoop if your universe is limited to foreign exchange... you can probably fit all ticks of all pairs in existence since the 70s in less than a TB
pas 8 hours ago 1 reply      
> It is a truly global marketplace that only sleeps on weekends.

Sure, there are 4 trillion reasons why this is enough and yes, I know it's very much about traders themselves, and that if there were an incentive to change it probably would change pretty fast, but anything that stops on the weekend seems very silly in the 21st century. (Even EVE Online's daily downtime is a bit ridiculous.)

mattfrommars 8 hours ago 1 reply      
Anyone know how I can run this? I was into FOREX few months back and this tool looks very interestnig. I need to exchange large sum and want the most of the volatile FOREX market.
London Datastore
43 points by rossng  10 hours ago   1 comment top
christoph 3 hours ago 0 replies      
It's great to see a few quick trends visually here:

1. Smoking cessation rate - this has clearly peaked. Smoking is no longer socially acceptable and the vast majority of people willing to quit probably now have (or have moved onto vaping).

2. Sports participation - up and down, looks like it's probably in-line with major events - i.e. Olympics, Wimbledon, World Cup, etc.

3. Workforce - a few more people are starting their own companies, which leads to them employing more people and therefore unemployment dropping accordingly.

4. Mortgage repossessions are down, but landlord repossessions are up.

5. International visitors clearly peak and trough based around the seasons. Their spending (this seems to be increasing generally - in line with inflation?)

6. More people are cycling - probably due to the increase in cycle lanes and cheap, accessible state rental bikes.

I might be off on some of these as I've only glanced across the stats from a top-line. It's nice to see the data presented clearly and be able to take guesses at what's going on.

New Microscope Collects Dynamic Images of the Molecules that Animate Life
67 points by ColinWright  9 hours ago   10 comments top 5
jamesli 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Amazing! This will greatly advance the research in some biomedical fields, like neural and glia development, etc. I wish I had the microscopes when i was doing researches in biomedicine.
ajcarpy2005 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Are they using imagine recognition/prediction to help resolve the outline and depth perception of complex molecular structures?
x1798DE 9 hours ago 2 replies      
Wow, effusive. Personally, I would probably choose to wait more than 1 day before seeing if a given paper has "revolutionized" an industry.
gchokov 8 hours ago 0 replies      
He must be having a lot of fun.
Google Inbox
980 points by jmdenis  1 day ago   433 comments top 100
Lewisham 1 day ago 16 replies      
I've been using Inbox at El Goog for a while now, and I am happy to answer questions (in between dealing with a newborn...)

FWIW, I really like it, and use it exclusively for my work and personal accounts. Inbox functions very much more like a ToDo list than it does an email client. Here are the workflows I have:


I filter all mailing lists into different clusters that I have appear at 7AM every morning. I then scrub through the subject lists to see what happened yesterday, pinning things that require my attention, and then sweeping the rest. At this point, everything pinned in my Inbox is now "something I need to look at". I then read the email, and decide if it has an action item or not. If it's actionable and I intend to do it today, I'll leave it pinned. If it's not something I'm going to do today, I'll Snooze it until I think I'll have time to do it, or at least evaluate another Snooze time.

To make sure I don't miss important emails, I have a cluster that I put all email that has myself explicitly in the To: line, and have that appear whenever anything arrives. I do occasionally miss things that didn't have me in the To: and went to my 7AM clusters, but this is few and far between, and I hazard happens less than my Gmail inbox where I had far more cognitive load on managing the emails there.


The defaults are tuned well for home, and I use the clusters (like Travel, Purchases etc) like I do for work, having them appear at 7AM each day. Most things get swept immediately, and again I pin things that require my attention and are maybe ToDo items.

Inbox is really opinionated about its workflow: if you struggle against it, you'll have a bad time, and you'll prefer Gmail's flexibility. However, if you are Inbox Zero or GTD minded, I think you'll love Inbox. Inbox is my ToDo list, and replaces Wunderlist/Things/Evernote/Google Tasks for me. I set reminders to myself for work items that don't have an email attached.

I encourage everyone to give it a week to see if it suits them, but I'm afraid I'm all out of invites for now :(

GuiA 1 day ago 28 replies      
Congrats to Google on shipping!

Side question: am I the only person fully satisfied by my email workflow? I practice inbox 0- if an email is in my inbox, it means something needs to be done about it (whether it's replying, filing a bug report, writing a patch, etc). Once it's done, it gets archived. I star the stuff that I'll need to refer to later, like tickets for a flight or concert. I then have a few server side rules to do things like mark certain classes of emails as read (eg build logs, mailing lists), so as to not flood my phone with notifications. And... that's it.

(edit: oh and yes, I am also very diligent about unsubscribing from the stuff I know will never be relevant, rather than just archiving it and forgetting about it until another email from the same source comes up a week later. After a few weeks of consistently practicing this, your inbox gets much better)

I get probably a few hundred emails a day at most (work+personal), and this system works great for me. I know people like Paul Graham think email is utterly broken, but when you're at their level I'm not sure ~any~ tool will be satisfying - they're absolutely outliers.

So HNers, do you really have a problem with your email workflow, or is everyone just repeating "email is broken" because some smart people with an ungodly amount of email said so?

inoop 1 day ago 8 replies      
I'm not sure what this 'inbox' does, but from judging from the video it's about a bunch of twenty-something hipsters from California high-fiving each other.
cwilson 1 day ago 0 replies      
I've been using this for the last 4 hours or so. I closed the old gmail in my browser and swapped default apps on my phone.

My quick thoughts on the iPhone app:

Good overall. It's just as good as most of the new line of productivity focused apps that have been released (and acquired) over the last year.

My quick thoughts on the web interface (inbox.google.com):

This is where it's really shining for me. Finally email doesn't feel like a spreadsheet with buttons anymore. It feels like Gmail should feel in 2014. Now that I've started using this, it would feel painful to go back to normal Gmail. You just kind of have to start using it to understand, but I really like it.

All of the new features (reminders, pinning emails, bundles, and one-button archiving of bundles like promotions and forums) are great . I've used almost every new feature already and they all feel like a natural part of a flow.

The only nitpick I have at the moment is the integrated chat in the web interface. It's defaulted to the Hangouts style chat, which I'm not a huge fan of. In old Gmail you have a choice of using the normal version of chat or Hangouts chat, and I've always turned off Hangouts chat. I really wish you could do that here, but I'm not seeing an option for it and my guess is there will never be one.

Overall however I'm really happy with this new version of Gmail and will continue to use it everyday.

IkmoIkmo 1 day ago 0 replies      
Oh god, the video? Amazing models doing fun recreational stuff. At the end of the video I didn't feel I knew anymore more about Inbox than I did before.

I mean I get it... but it still feels stupid to do something like that, worse to sit through it and realize you're not watching to be informed by substance, you're watching to be convinced by style.

dkulchenko 1 day ago 3 replies      
Here's what I got in response to my invite request:

  Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:     inbox@inbox.gmrservice.ext.google.com  Technical details of permanent failure:    Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the relay gmr-smtp-in.l.google.com by gmr-smtp-in.l.google.com. [2607:f8b0:400e:c04::e].  We recommend contacting the other email provider at postmaster@gmr-smtp-in.l.google.com for further information about the cause of this error.  The error that the other server returned was:  550-5.2.1 The user you are trying to contact is receiving mail at a rate that   550-5.2.1 prevents additional messages from being delivered. For more   550-5.2.1 information, please visit   550 5.2.1 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=6592 j1si1502294pdb.1 - gsmtp
Nice one, Google.

steven 1 day ago 0 replies      
When I got the demo on Monday, I was struck most by how Google Now technology was integrated. That's why I called my piece (on Medium/Backchannel) "Inbox, the app child of Gmail and Google Now." Now that I have the app, I'm enjoying it. Very clean.
pcwalton 1 day ago 1 reply      
Chrome only, it seems. Disappointing. https://twitter.com/brianleroux/status/524987137892954112
coryfklein 1 day ago 0 replies      
The first video on the page is useless. Full of images of people on their computer and phones, running on the beach, etc. After watching the video, I still have no idea what Inbox really is besides "an improvement to email" (supposedly).
jawns 1 day ago 0 replies      
I get the impression that this is more the next generation of Google Now than it is the next generation of Gmail. (Google Now is all about plucking out information from larger sources of data and bringing the most important stuff to the front as it's needed.)

I suppose I could see how this would be useful if you're using your smart watch or your phone and only want the most important facts, boiled down to their essence. (But then, doesn't Google Now already do that?)

Outside of that context, it doesn't seem like you'll ordinarily have both Inbox and Gmail open at the same time, because (as far as I can see) Inbox is just a way of better organizing and presenting the underlying data, whereas Gmail is more like the raw feed.

caffeineninja 1 day ago 6 replies      
This looks very much like Mailbox, in particular the swipe left and right to archive/snooze a message.
adambratt 1 day ago 0 replies      
I've been messing around with the new email schema stuff that Google has had out for the past year or so.

I'm really looking forward to having a more intelligent layer around email. It's a great messaging protocol but up until now it's been mostly contextless.

I don't see email going away anytime soon and projects like this just confirm its usefulness.

For those who haven't seen it yet take a look at Google's email schema stuff: https://developers.google.com/gmail/actions/

vmarsy 1 day ago 0 replies      
After a bit of use, I think I like it.

I was curious about the relation between Inbox and Gmail.My current Gmail has a lot of filters and labels.

When looking at the labels, you have the choice of displaying them as "Clusters" in your main inbox, which is pretty convenient.

I did that to my Friends label and it is now a Friends cluster.

Note that it doesn't change anything in Gmail: the label is still here, all the filters that interact with it are still here too.

I realized that one of my friends wasn't in the cluster, so I moved it in it, and clicked on "Always do this", it prompted me : "Always move emails from Myfriend@email.com to Friends" .2 remarks about this:

-This is a very basic way of adding some emails from bundling, in the future I except to be able to specialize more: for instance sometimes I get important emails from a co-worker, but he also sends a daily reminder that I don't care so much about, I would like to be able to move it to the bundle Useless updates only it comes from him AND has this specific subject. That is something we can do through the Gmail filters, but not through the Always do this interface yet.

-Curiously it created a filter in my old Gmail filters with as a rule : " from:Myfriend@email.com Action: "The filter has no action, so I assume that when I will be receiving an email from that friend , in Inbox it will go into the good cluster, but in Gmail the label "Friend" won't be appended to it, this means that Gmail rules/filters apply to Inbox, but Inbox rules dont apply to Gmail.

The Inbox's "Done" is doing the same thing as the Gmail's "Archive" .

I haven't been able to experience the snoozing feature yet

daturkel 1 day ago 1 reply      
Certainly ties into the discussion about google making two of everything [0]. It's not clear how this product is meant to co-exist naturally with gmail.

[0]: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/googles-product-stra...

bearbin 1 day ago 0 replies      
This looks great. It seems like the extension of what they've been doing with Now for a while - all the information you need in easily actionable cards.
cantrevealname 1 day ago 1 reply      
I wish Google had used a less generic name. Searching for "mail isn't showing up in my inbox" is either going to show you generic mail problems or Google Inbox problems. Apple's "Messages" app is a terrible name in the same way.
GI_Josh 1 day ago 1 reply      
I recently spent the better part of a day clearing out my work inbox because I'd heard too many people preach about inbox 0, and how the only things in their inbox were things they actively needed to work on.

This worked for all of two days for me. Now, a week later, my inbox is once again packed, with nothing being moved or deleted, just read. That's just a flow that seems to work better for me. My to-do lists that I actually need to pay attention to are in other places... I'm looking at Jira to see what needs my development attention and in what order, for example. I'm pleased with treating my email as a giant bin where everything gets thrown, but can easily be fished out again given the need.

While I imagine this is all dependent on just how much email you actually get in a day, systems like Google Inbox seem useful to me at first, until I realize I'm no longer following the system, or I'm spending too much time deciding on where an email should be filed instead of simply acting on it and moving on with my life.

Chevalier 1 day ago 0 replies      
Hmm. I'm not sure that this is actually an email app. For the record, I think Gmail and its steady incremental improvements embody email perfection -- I can't imagine going back to life before auto-sorted tabs -- and I'm totally willing to give Google the benefit of the doubt. Still... it's tough to see how Inbox improves on Gmail.

Instead of email, I think Inbox is an effort to finally (FINALLY) improve GTasks by marrying it into Gmail and Google Now. GTasks is woefully lacking. My recent switch to Trello has absolutely revolutionized my work flow, more than I thought possible. Inbox's autotasking looks like a big improvement on the dumb list, but it still doesn't look like a real competitor to Trello's kanban system.

(One last plug for Trello, just because using it for an hour has turned me into a wild-eyed fanatic. It's AMAZING. Try it!)

nazca 1 day ago 3 replies      
If you are using Google Apps Free edition, you're good to go.

If you pay for Google Apps, you get shafted. Nice.

BinaryIdiot 1 day ago 1 reply      
Looks interesting; is this coming to iOS and Android or just Android? Also curious if this will make an appearance in web form as the Gmail and its suite of apps are woefully outdated (Gmail, Contacts, Tasks and Calendar have had some bugs for years and are simply behind on the good UX front).
MCRed 1 day ago 3 replies      
New Rule: I'm officially done with artificially segregating people into "cool people" who have an invite and the rest of us who have to get in line.

Simple was the worst offender-- I should have known with the multi-year wait, to be capped off by bigoted comments from a cofounder to me on twitter (about an unrelated matter. But hey, your CxO makes a bigoted comment- I'm no longer your customer!)

But it's not just Simple, it's google with the wave invites, google with the gmail invites going back when, google with the orkut invites, google with the Plus invites, etc.

No more, Google.

noinput 1 day ago 0 replies      
Video: we're fixing email because people send too much of it

Blog Post: email inbox@google.com to try it.

..I got a good chuckle.

thallukrish 14 hours ago 1 reply      
I have used Google Inbox, but if I read the comments here, the overarching thing seem to be to make a zero inbox. Why cannot you do this with your existing email client? What are the features of Google Inbox that helps you do this? And why do you need to make your inbox zero? Is it like you want the email client to show up the high priority ones that you need to attend to at the top? How does a Google Inbox automatically know what is high priority for you ? Sorry if my understanding is not aligned to what is offered by Google Inbox.
yournemesis 1 day ago 0 replies      
WTF google? You get me interested in a product. I download it on my phone no problem. But then when I go to open it I'm told that it is invite only. I missed this detail in the blog since it isn't mentioned until the end. Knowingly allowing me to download a program I can't even use? This is a perfect recipe for a 1 star review. How it has so many 5 star review is beyond me.

Oh well, I still really want to try it. So I clicked the invite link that makes me use gmail (the app I'm replacing) to send an email. However, it's not a standard mailto link but a link to https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox?compose=new . Seriously? Now I have to type in an email address because Google failed to use one of the most primitive features of HTML. So far my email experience has only been less convenient.

Anyway, I uninstalled it from my phone. I'll just wait a year or so to see if it flops like several of there other products and then maybe install it.

eellpp 1 day ago 1 reply      
The basic assumption behind this seems to be that marketing spam in email will keep increasing and instead of fighting against it, organising content around it is better approach.

Most people (who nowadays carry lot of personal/group communication around facebook/whatsapp) still get a lot of mails on product deals, newsletters etc. Email is also the tool for login, password recovery and for other utilities like that. Beyond that its the primary tool to do the most important thing : send a official mail to whoever concerned. May be to the president of country or to the school principal. Reducing the noise into this core tool should be of importance. Facebook/Whatsapp has take out a big chunk of casual and group communication, which is good. Something that could keep out the product marketing out of email could be of next good change.

I think the movement should be towards reducing the unwanted content in emails, than organising the unwanted.

scrollaway 1 day ago 0 replies      
GOS talked about it a few days ago before the announcement for those interested: http://googlesystem.blogspot.se/2014/10/google-inbox.html

I'm interested but I keep seeing that this sort of stuff never takes into accounts things such as mailing lists (a la mailman and such). I hope I'm wrong.

sdk16420 1 day ago 4 replies      
I don't understand why people want some algorithm to sort your email for you. IMO email should always be sorted chronologically, and if it's too much, then used rules and folders/labels. Your inbox is not the place to add reminders. With the Google strategy you will have reminders everywhere seperately: calendar, email, phone, IM, texts, etc.

Inbox by Gmail: the Facebook of email.

janoelze 1 day ago 1 reply      
I'm so happy Google finally found its design language. This looks beautiful. Really something to build on.
shostack 1 day ago 1 reply      
This is the first step towards some of the functionality in the movie "Her."

Trusting an AI (or algorithm in this case) to sort your email and bubble up different aspects is a huge task, and I'm glad to see Google finally start putting their full might behind it.

ssijak 17 hours ago 0 replies      
I really, really like the idea that they are pushing you to always have clean inbox. I always struggled with that, making my own systems. Also grouping of similar emails sounds promising.But I hate this invite thing, so if someone have a spare invite, I would be really thankful if you can send one to ssijak@gmail.com
danbruc 1 day ago 5 replies      
What I always wonder - do people actually use email for private communication? Everybody uses email at work, but at home? From time to time I sign up for a new service or order something and get confirmation mails or I send a couple of emails back and forth to resolve an issue with a service I am using, but it is always between me and some business.

The number of emails I have written to or received from friends is negligible and I am not aware of anyone heavily using email for private communication. Everybody just calls or writes a SMS or uses WhatsApp or Facebook or ICQ, but never email.

So am I - and the people I know - a rare case or did just nobody advertising email related stuff recognize that no one uses email for private communication?

jinushaun 14 hours ago 0 replies      
Man, no wonder Google has a diversity problem. This video was a montage of young millennial hipsters partying. Somewhere in there email was involved.

On topic... Looks a lot like Mailbox. I'd be worried if I was Mailbox.

aashishpatil 1 day ago 0 replies      
I am the developer of Evelope email app for iOS. Its got a clustering feature that seems similar to Gmails' Bundles - auto grouping of similar emails (Receipts, Offers, ). Entire clusters can be moved,deleted,archived. And it works with Gmail, Yahoo, iCloud, Outlook.



simcop2387 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Don't hurt me too much, if anyone has an invite: simcop2387@gmail.com
danieldk 1 day ago 1 reply      
I love Google Now, so I will probably like this as well. However, one thing I start worrying about more as I come to rely more on such tools is: what is the chance to miss something important? What is relevant is picked based on heuristics and statistical models, and it might miss things that I consider to be very important.

Obviously, human errors occur in a more traditional approach where you use an e-mail client, calendar, and todo application. However, it would be interesting to see how accurate such machine-learned approaches are, compared to manual methods for information management.

suprgeek 1 day ago 0 replies      
An interesting comparison might be to the Zoho Inbox Insights [1] app that is slated to land fairly soon.If reports are to be believed this app has similar functionality.

[1] http://www.pcworld.com/article/2837812/zoho-nips-at-google-i...

legohead 1 day ago 0 replies      
years in the making of solving a problem that doesn't exist. another google "wave".
covi 1 day ago 0 replies      
When composing in Inbox, how do we get the nice "Plain text mode" option available in Gmail? The most useful thing it brings is to automatically line-wrap the emails.
diltonm 1 day ago 0 replies      
It looks pretty, it looks like it might end the hide and seek with attachments on a smart phone client; not a problem on a desktop but I can never find the attachments in Gmail on the phone. I'm not sure I like that idea that it decides what's important and highlights it; probably because it would get it right most of the time. I could get used to it.
ProAm 1 day ago 0 replies      
MIT can't be thrilled with the name being taken (albeit it Inbox is so generic I dont see this brand becoming worth much)[1][2]



mohamedbassem 1 day ago 0 replies      
Sending an email to inbox@google.com fails with the error :"the user you are trying to contact is receiving mail at a rate that prevents additional messages from being delivered."
andrewguenther 1 day ago 0 replies      
I can't stand how little I can see at a glance in my inbox now. With the Gmail app on my Nexus 5, I could see 7 emails in the default inbox view. With Inbox I can see 3. Two of which do not include a subject line because they have been grouped "Social" or "Purchases" and will take an additional tap to view. I'm going to give it some time, but for now I find most of the content to be a horrible waste of space.
mudil 1 day ago 0 replies      
What I would like to see is Gmail becoming more like Zendesk/Desk.com. So I can effectively manage responses, contacts, etc, with a single click and pre-defined responses.
covi 1 day ago 0 replies      
Eventual consistency / Lost Updates at play? I have tried sweeping the "Low Priority" emails; whenever I clicked the tick that group entry was gone. So far so good. However, whenever a new email popped up and was classified in that group, the whole group appeared again.

Or am I just misunderstanding the feature and do I just have to mark individual email as done one by one?

gcb0 1 day ago 0 replies      
from the site is is just gmail with the ability to accept/snooze calendar events.

also the spam inbox (what they are trying to label as offers or something on gmail) is not part of the priority inbox.

besides that, and all the smiling happy people in the Ad, all i could grasp is that they added lots and lots of white space around each message to compensate for the humongous size of that phone screen.

joshfinnie 1 day ago 4 replies      
I am sad that this seems to be Gmail only. Why have developers lost touch with standard IMAP protocols so we can use these new fancy apps with any email provider...
NicoJuicy 20 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm wondering if the inbox is integrated with Google Keep for tasks and if there will become API's available?

It's to bad Google Keep only has an internal API (that isn't available to us)

Dwolb 1 day ago 0 replies      
It's good that they got the 'bundles' in there, but much of this looks like it's a Google Now integration into Gmail. There's a ton of anxiety around information gathering, organizing, monitoring, and 'checking the box' that this solution glances by, but doesn't directly address. I don't believe this solution will compete with most people's other email inbox.
algorithm_dk 17 hours ago 0 replies      
This looks awesome! Now I won't be able to decide between this, myMail and Mailbox :'(Can anyone shoot an invite to andrew(at)algorithm.dk?Thank you!
erenemre 1 day ago 2 replies      
I'm definitely not the target audience for this and I really hope that Google isn't going to force me to upgrade to Inbox. Looking at you G+.
jerkywez 1 day ago 0 replies      
I went to a google IO event when wave was the next best thing to email clients. Like many things, it died off because of adoption rates and bloated UI trying to achieve world domination. On the flip side i loved the talk like a pirate channel bot ;p Lets hope Inbox does not go down the same path..
rocky1138 23 hours ago 0 replies      
Mods can you change the URL of this post to http://www.google.com/inbox/ ? It's way more informative and actually details what the app does.
amluto 1 day ago 2 replies      
Google says "its a completely different type of inbox, designed to focus on what really matters."

I thought that things like having a text editor that allows me to reliably do complex things like typing and pasting without losing my place, or perhaps a compose window that can be resized, really mattered. Since Gmail doesn't have either of those, maybe Inbox will add them :)

hadoukenio 1 day ago 1 reply      
5 star reviews in the Google Play Store from people who haven't even got an invite? The system is broken.
alaxsxaq 1 day ago 0 replies      
It will be interesting to see how companies like Boxer 'pivot' in response to this. I started using Boxer a little while ago specifically to deal with the email-becomes-todo-item issue which Gmail generally lacked. Not sure I'd have any reason to continue to use it if I could score an invite to Inbox (hint hint).
flavor8 1 day ago 0 replies      
Perhaps cool. I honestly wish they'd change their approach to quality & bug reporting, though. I get the impression that all of their developers are so busy making new & shiny that the tools that we rely on everyday are just languishing. I've never had any bug that I've reported via their product forums fixed.
valanto 14 hours ago 0 replies      
Anyone got an invite to spare? Would be great to get one! (my email is valanto@gmail.com)
aagha 1 day ago 1 reply      
What's the "sync" between Gmail and Inbox like? If you Snooze an email in Inbox, what happens to it in Gmail? If you put it in a bundle, what's that do to it in your inbox?
Angostura 1 day ago 1 reply      
Is it just me, or do all these attempts to mould e-mail to avoid cognitive overload just create cognitive overload.

"E-mail - a list of messages from people, by default displayed in the order they arrived." Isn't that simplicity refreshing?

nagarjun 1 day ago 0 replies      
I can't wait to try this out. I'm drawing a few parallels to Acompli (when it comes to how Inbox handles attachments) and I love Acompli. Hope they add Google Apps support soon.
jcampbell1 1 day ago 0 replies      
Snoozing emails, and turning emails into tasks, is the one feature that is important to me and gmail has been missing. I have tried some hacks like "mailbox" by dropbox, and "taskforce", etc, and they worked well, but it didn't work across all platforms.

I am looking forward to trying this out.

Illniyar 22 hours ago 0 replies      
Judging from this: http://www.google.com/inbox/ , we have:

* Folder and Rules (with the only distinction of having some pre-populated ones, I think)

* Some smart content extraction from known emails (reservations, invoices, etc...) - probably going to be a privacy nightmare

* Todo and reminders ( what's new about this? outlook/gmail calendar/thunderbird-lightning all do this)

* Snooze for reminders - yeah...

frogpelt 1 day ago 0 replies      
The UI looks a lot like Twitter.

That doesn't attract me for some reason.

shafiahmedbd 19 hours ago 0 replies      
If you happen to have invites, could you send me one too? Thank you. My e-mail: shafiahmedbd@gmail.com
n72 1 day ago 0 replies      
Sounds to me very much like the Active Inbox plugin, which I've been using for a couple of years and proselytize mercilessly. It's based on the GTD way of doing things.
SergeyDruid 19 hours ago 0 replies      
No support for Gingerbread on play store (I have an Ace Plus but I'm about to buy a Moto G) :(
andygambles 1 day ago 1 reply      
So my question is this an App only or will it be part of the Gmail interface?
whoisthemachine 1 day ago 0 replies      
These bundles, categories, etc. that are being introduced really just seem like re-hashed labels. Why did they need to introduce these other methods of grouping e-mails together?
arenaninja 1 day ago 0 replies      
I haven't tested it, but watching the video with no sound it looks like making email more like a social network. Either way, how about going back to the way email used to be? I dislike composing e-mails inline, I dislike having to dig through a menu to pop out a modal, or having to memorize everyone's icons because apparently text isn't cool anymore.. how about giving me a page dedicated to composing, instead of adding another layer to the current page and hiding the options from plain sight? From what I've seen on this so far, it appears that this moves in the opposite direction of that
KhalilK 1 day ago 3 replies      
Meta note: That is one of the smoothest and pleasant scrolling experiences I've had on the web! Kudos to the web devs!
bxio 21 hours ago 0 replies      
I'd love to get an invite, if anyone has an extra lying around.
Siecje 1 day ago 0 replies      
> You can even teach Inbox to adapt to the way you work by choosing which emails youd like to see grouped together.


wy 1 day ago 0 replies      
The latest product from Sparrow? I've been already into the refreshing UIs of Inbox.

Can't wait for the invitation.

coffeemug 1 day ago 0 replies      
Could someone please invite me -- coffeemug@gmail.com. I'd love to play with the product
Demiurge 1 day ago 0 replies      
I really hope this means that if I disable this "Inbox" in Gmail clients I can get back my ASCII email...
truebosko 1 day ago 0 replies      
If anyone is offering invites, I'd love this. bart.ciszk@gmail.com -- Thanks!
ParadoxOryx 1 day ago 1 reply      
They didn't show the web interface, I wonder if it will just be baked into the Gmail mobile apps?
gosukiwi 1 day ago 0 replies      
And here I am with a Windows Phone.
dschiptsov 1 day ago 0 replies      
A "new way" to push a "sponsored content" to me, like FB's feed does?)
sgy 1 day ago 0 replies      
N0RMAN 1 day ago 0 replies      
You can request an invite by sending a E-Mail to inbox@google.com
supergirl 1 day ago 1 reply      
video made me cringe
rusbus 1 day ago 0 replies      
I opened Inbox and it crashed within 10 seconds. :-(
thomasfl 1 day ago 0 replies      
E-mail is constantly changing.
vs4vijay 1 day ago 1 reply      
Can not find the Invite option..
wslh 1 day ago 0 replies      
Does it read RSS feeds?
cottonseed 1 day ago 1 reply      
> designed to focus on what really matters

So it has open and auditable secure end to end encryption?

higherpurpose 1 day ago 1 reply      
They are building a new e-mail system - yet still nothing one end-to-end encryption?

Oh sure, I know they want to build the End-to-End plugin for Gmail (the service they are trying to make obsolete), which they know only a few people will use. But this is an opportunity to start from scratch with end-to-end security by default.

afandian 1 day ago 0 replies      
There were bad Google outages earlier today (at least in the UK). I wonder if these were connected?
aroch 1 day ago 3 replies      
Is Inbox going to be broken on GApps accounts like Now is?
notastartup 1 day ago 0 replies      
Google really knows how to toy with my emotions with these videos.
jaysonelliot 1 day ago 16 replies      
Slightly off-topic, but can we talk about that video? I would love it if Google could just sell me on the idea of their products for once, instead of trying to sell me on a twentysomething Brooklyn lifestyle.

When I get hit in the face with these cheap emotional ploys that feel like an early 2000s Microsoft Zune ad, I get distracted from the actual product being touted. My resistance goes up.

Does this approach work for anyone? If you really are a Williamsburg hipster, I'd expect this kind of pandering would feel off-putting. If you're not, it's alienating.

There's certainly a place for emotion in ads. But how about a bit more product, and respect for our intelligence?

scrollaway 1 day ago 0 replies      
Are you serious? Are you saying Google, which has revolutionized webmail and is one of the largest and most popular email providers, doesn't "get" email?
ihuman 1 day ago 2 replies      
rashthedude 19 hours ago 0 replies      
Google please stop trying to be everything to everyone.
volandovengo 1 day ago 0 replies      
I'd love to see the data behind why this justified a team of 100+ people making more than 100,000 per year to re-invent email.

Does the typical email user have an inbox which is half empty? Do users just read email that seems exciting? Do users want to just glance at their email periodically?

skyjacker 1 day ago 0 replies      
Seriously folks, who cares. It's a minor change to gmail's workflow.

No really, think about it. It's just email.

alimoeeny 1 day ago 0 replies      
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

...The error that the other server returned was:550-5.2.1 The user you are trying to contact is receiving mail at a rate that550-5.2.1 prevents additional messages from being delivered. For more550-5.2.1 information, please visit550 5.2.1 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=6592 fl6si3394876qcb.0 - gsmtp

Anyone knows what that "rate limit" is?

motters 1 day ago 0 replies      
Today, were introducing something new. Its called Exfil. Years in the making, Exfil is by the same people who brought you Gmail, but its not Gmail: its a completely different type of inbox, designed to focus on what really matters.

Email started simply as a way to send digital notes around the office. But fast-forward 30 years and with just the phone in your pocket, you can use email to send your most intimate thoughts, feelings and sexual fantasies to an undisclosed warehouse in Utah where our expert systems will analyse it for signs of emerging criminality, non-normative behaviour or just any juicy information that we can sell to some dude who's willing to pay.

With this evolution comes new challenges: we get more email now than ever, important information is buried inside messages, and our most important tasks can slip through the cracksespecially when you use encryption. For many of us, dealing with encryption has become a daily chore that distracts from what we really need to do - so we decided not to use it and to make sure that your email is always stored in plain text so that we can read it easily and hand out copies in bulk to all our friends, associates and subcontractors.

TestFlight Beta Testing
60 points by npollock  9 hours ago   29 comments top 10
div 8 hours ago 2 replies      
I'm using both Apple TestFlight and the original TestFlight, and the original is just such a smoother experience, even with having to add UDID's to provisioning profiles.

Things that are annoying about Apple TestFlight compared to the original:

- itunesconnect, while better than before, pales in comparison to the simplicity of testflightapp

- builds submitted to Apple "take a while" before they're available, testflightapp is instant once you've uploaded.

- managing users in groups seems to be absent

chrisBob 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Does anyone have experience yet with the timeline for the beta app review required for external testers? This is significant because I feel like I would just have internal users bring their device over, or install it themselves from Xcode. Its the external users that seem the most important with this.

My regular submissions have ranged from 7 days to 20 hours, but I would hope they will keep the beta review to the shorter end of that.

Someone1234 8 hours ago 1 reply      
> Apps made available to external testers require a Beta App Review and must comply with the full App Store Review Guidelines before testing can begin. A review is required for new versions of your app that contain significant changes. Up to 10 apps can be tested at a time, internally or externally.

Eww. Still doesn't hold a candle to an APK.

iheart2code 5 hours ago 0 replies      
It's disappointing seeing how TestFlight has been integrated into iTunes Connect. What mostly upsets me is the seemingly arbitrary review before the app is released to testers. It's exactly this kind of a delay ("several hours") that keeps me from using Google Play for Android app beta & alpha testing.

I end up with tight deadlines and my testers include clients & superiors. I can't afford a variable chunk of time between app compilation and release to testers. I've had really good experiences with Crashlytics and have heard good things about Hockeyapp. I'll stick with 3rd party distribution for the forseeable future.

drewcrawford 7 hours ago 2 replies      
Tester? Seeking tester? I'm running a list to connect developers to people who want to test their apps.

All feedback appreciated.


nixarn 8 hours ago 2 replies      
It's about time! It's been such a hassle always needing the device id, creating the provisioning profiles, having to recreate the profiles and rebuild the project for every user you add. And also being limited to only 100 devices.
Rafert 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Sorry to see that the older TestFlight seems to be losing functionality. Sessions show up as anonymous and remote logging doesn't work for me anymore. I'm thinking of switching to http://hockeyapp.net/
mrborgen 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I read that the beta app review only applies for the 1.0 version, or if you make significant changes. Not sure about the time frame though.
atlbeer 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Kudo's to them on branding. The name was so good even Apple decided to keep it!
marpalmin 8 hours ago 1 reply      
Is it only for ios8?
Results of 2014 State of Clojure and ClojureScript Survey
51 points by quantisan  8 hours ago   9 comments top 5
dizzystar 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I haven't used Clojure for about 8 months now. I haven't abandoned it, but my current project is better suited for other languages. It is nice to take a breath from Lisp after so many years.

My main irritation was security. The libs were sporadic, didn't seem to gel, and (not being able to judge this) felt like they didn't work as needed.

The community is small, scary smart, and among the most friendly and humble group of people I've ever been around. They have no issues poking fun at Lisp and themselves. Just great people all around. Their creativity and production volume is astonishing.

lemming 5 hours ago 2 replies      
As the developer of Cursive, I'm really thrilled to see so many people using it a year after the first beta release - thanks everyone for all the great support!

It's great to see more people responding than last year, and a higher percentage using it at work, too. The Clojure ecosystem is a really nice place to be right now.

ijk 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I see that Leiningen rules all. (As it should be, it's one of the best package/deployment systems I've used.)

An active ecosystem makes working in a language a lot nicer. While I could always borrow from the JVM libraries, it's nice to see lots of native projects. Hopefully we'll see the number of well-maintained libraries in the ecosystem increasing.

dugmartin 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Why did Chas not do it this year?
cjrd 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Wow, this is really informative, do other languages do this?
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