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Show HN: Wavepot Digital audio workstation of the web wavepot.com
196 points by stagas  3 hours ago   58 comments top 28
JonnieCache 3 hours ago 4 replies      
This isn't really a DAW. For those unfamiliar, a DAW is a fully-featured music creation environment including sound design, composition, recording, arrangement and mixing in one interface. Examples include logic, cubase and ableton.

While I suppose this does allow for all of those things, as much as any programming language with access to an audio API does, this would be better described as a web-based DSP livecoding environment.

Apart from the naming quibbles, it looks excellent! I wonder what's generating the sound? I'm aware of the oscillator/filter primitives in the HTML5 audio API from the minimoog google doodle, but this seems more elaborate than that.

EDIT: for fun times, load "need more 303," scroll down to the bottom, and change some of the numbers around. Setting the slide() call to 1/1024 yields a nice FM-ish sound. You can even overdrive the filter. Reach for the lasers!

japhyr 2 hours ago 1 reply      
This is great! I teach high school math and science, and students often ask how sound waves can be turned into music. I give them a big-picture overview of sine waves and superposition, but I've never had a tool that lets students play with the math easily.

I look forward to showing this to students in the fall.

jchrisa 2 hours ago 2 replies      
That was fun. Here is my detuned remix of "on the verge tech mix" https://gist.github.com/jchris/04585454570853297974
sokrates 24 minutes ago 0 replies      

Extended the melody & progression a bit. I'm so proud, this is awesome!

lomocotive 7 minutes ago 0 replies      
can you tell more about how you coded the fundraiser modal? is it just checking the balances on those addresses then converting them to USD? im sure its a simple solution but i'd be happy to hear more about it - i was thinking of making a similar one for my own project, but it would be good if it displayed different addresses per visitor for better obfuscation...lets say have half of a wallet full of addresses, then also check server side whether the displayed a valid one
PabloOsinaga 3 hours ago 2 replies      
Wavepot team: really awesome stuff! love it.

At Bandhub ( http://bandhub.us ) we are looking for ways to integrate programmed music into our web DAW.

If you guys are up for a collaboration or want to discuss ideas, ping me osi (at) getbandhub (dot) com

jamesmoss 2 hours ago 1 reply      
A scene has sprung up around music based on algorithms, called Algorave http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorave

Vice did an article on the subject a few months back which gives an overview of the scene (from a layman's view) http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/algorave-is-the-future-of-dan...

chrislo 1 hour ago 0 replies      
If you like this, you might also be interested in a newsletter I write called Web Audio Weekly. I link to interesting projects that use the Web Audio and Web MIDI APIs as well as more general stuff of interest to musicians and developers.


quaunaut 2 hours ago 0 replies      
This is such a great example of a great experience changing behavior. I haven't thought of making music in years, and I've seen other projects kinda similar to this in the past- but this reacts so quickly, so immediate to my inputs, that it's hard to step away from.

You've really got a great product here.

lukasm 2 hours ago 0 replies      
It goes into loop when I want to switch a file"You've made some edits!"


yntaxError: Unexpected token * at Function (native) at t (blob:http%3A//wavepot.com/576aa761-8f7c-4918-b4e7-8bdd7c77ff39:2:16401) at Function.<anonymous> (blob:http%3A//wavepot.com/576aa761-8f7c-4918-b4e7-8bdd7c77ff39:2:16779) at Function.i.emit (blob:http%3A//wavepot.com/576aa761-8f7c-4918-b4e7-8bdd7c77ff39:1:2656) at DedicatedWorkerGlobalScope.i.isMaster.self.onmessage (blob:http%3A//wavepot.com/576aa761-8f7c-4918-b4e7-8bdd7c77ff39:2:12723)

rwl4 45 minutes ago 0 replies      
I love it! I want to see something like this for the iPad. I could also imagine a Soundcloud + Spotify + Github hybrid playlist site where you could actually present your creation for people to play in a playlist format.
jarmitage 2 hours ago 0 replies      
For another take on live coding in the browser:http://gibber.mat.ucsb.edu/

Check out http://algorave.com for more info on the live coding music scene, which has really taken off in the last year.

I can't wait for someone to combine live coding with Swift Playground/Bret Victor 'revealing the system' style interfaces.

izolate 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I could easily see this become the future of music production. Lovely UI too.
Gracana 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Cool! Reminds me of ChucK[1].

[1] http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/

dasmithii 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I'd love to help develop this (and experiment myself!). Is it open source?

If so, where can I find the repo?

thinkmassive 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Looks like a modern (in-browser) take on CSound[1]. I love the idea of modifying the code during runtime.

[1] http://www.csounds.com/

newrenowhore 2 hours ago 1 reply      
This is really, really impressive. Cool range of sounds. Have you thought about attaching a user-friendly, knobby interface to the modules? I could see it as a really easy way for non-programming musicians to learn how to use this and other music generation systems like it.
noname123 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Can't wait to go to the next Girl Talk show where instead of DJ pressing space bar to play, they press F5 to "Compile and Run..."
elwell 3 hours ago 0 replies      
This is really great. Reminds me of: https://github.com/overtone/overtone
robertfw 2 hours ago 0 replies      
using super for the keyboard shortcuts is problematic, at least for me - super-enter for me opens a new terminal, and that appears to take precedence over the browser shortcut
lucb1e 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Making music with code seems pretty neat, perhaps I'll learn to play an instrument after all some day (that being the instrument of code)!
jbernier 1 hour ago 0 replies      
This is really cool. Anyone know of any good tutorials for learning how to make sounds like this?
catshirt 3 hours ago 0 replies      
seems like this is really a window for executing javascript, no? where's the DAW?
tonetheman 3 hours ago 0 replies      
this is really cool... it is really hard to see how the math ends up making music though. I almost would have an example of a scale or a 4 beat measure. very interesting stuff.
saltyknuckles 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Very good work, I like this a lot.
msane 2 hours ago 0 replies      
This is dope
jrlocke 3 hours ago 0 replies      
chillingeffect 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Holy crap! This is great!
The co-designer of the F-16 on why the F-35 is a failure [video] youtube.com
122 points by guillaume8375  2 hours ago   107 comments top 16
bane 1 hour ago 2 replies      
When you need the absolute best for something, you need to specialize. That's why there have historically been so many different kinds of aircraft, each with relatively discrete missions.

The F-35 is a terrible aircraft, and the procurement is deeply suspect. The South Korean acquisition process leaked some surprising information about the acquisition process and the F-35 failed the relatively modest criteria the Koreans had set and an older aircraft (F-15) to be purchased. At the time there was loads of news about the F-35 failing the acquisition and it even made it into Aviation week. Doing a google search now, it looks like it was a smooth process from RFP to acquisition and I can't find many of the older articles [1]

The rumor is that Lockheed bribed the hell out of the Korean National Assembly and "won" the initial round of acquisition, but the agency in Korea responsible for the acquisition (DAPA) saw right through it and awarded the final contract to Boeing.

The National Assembly got upset, Lockheed got upset and probably some U.S. congressmen got upset and the entire acquisition was tossed out "recompeted" and of course the F-35 won the second time. It's a sad joke and I can't even begin to guess at the acquisition shenanigans that happened in the U.S.

1 - http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130928/DEFREG/309280008...

edit a great movie about this is the movie "Pentagon Wars" which includes this great scene.


nostromo 43 minutes ago 8 replies      
Isn't the whole idea of manned fighter jets antiquated?

And if this tech isn't dated already, the Pentagon plans to still be using these jets in 2065. (http://online.wsj.com/articles/pentagon-looks-to-lower-costs...)

I don't see a strong reason the Air Force should be investing so much in fighter jets and not focusing on drone technology.

He mentions dogfights, do those even happen anymore? Why participate in a manned dogfight when you can simply send drones -- and if they are shot down, send one more, or one hundred more.

The U.S. military is always fighting the last war. In this case, they aren't even fighting the last several wars, but are still locked into Cold War, pre-drone thinking.

neurotech1 4 minutes ago 0 replies      
Pierre Sprey is way off base on practically everything.

Almost no air-to-air combat starts out within visual range and this has been the case since the 1980s when the F-16 became available.

Part of the reason the F-16 became popular is that its cheaper to buy and operate compared to the F-4 and F-15, and even the F-15 Block 5 had an avionics package that made it quite capable in combat and achieved its first Air-to-Air kill in 1980. Smaller jets like the F-5E and the SAAB Gripen don't have nearly the same combat radius on internal fuel.

The F-35 is one of the most agile jets available when loaded for combat. Most of the claims about the F-16 are in airshow configuration and not combat loaded with drop tanks.

pravda 1 hour ago 3 replies      
Q: What is the point of this plane?

A: The real mission is for the US government to send money to Lockheed.


By that standard, the F-35 has been a trememdous success!

protomyth 1 hour ago 9 replies      
I don't disagree that the F-35 is poor in every respect (read up on the South Korean procurement vs the F-18), but I am a little puzzled at one part of the video. Is there an actual source that current stealth is easily beatable by long wave radar? I acknowledge the expertise of Pierre Sprey, but I have my doubts on how easy it is to beat.
bambax 20 minutes ago 0 replies      
Love this guy, and love the interview where the interviewer


- listens so that she's able to accurately summarize what the guy said!

Great moment -- thanks for sharing.

greedo 39 minutes ago 2 replies      
I think Sprey's comments need to be taken with a huge grain of salt considering he thought the F-15 would be a huge failure. The F-15 is everything he didn't want in a fighter, yet it's probably the most successful jet fighter in history.
WalterBright 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Anyone interested in fighter design process should check out the biography "Boyd". John Boyd is acknowledged as the 'father' of the F15 and F16.
zenbowman 14 minutes ago 0 replies      
Lots of lessons for software engineers in this lovely interview. Like Knuth, Pierre Sprey seems to relish "beauty in the particular".

"The goal of generalization had become so fashionable that a generation of mathematicians had become unable to relish beauty in the particular, to enjoy the challenge of solvingquantitative problems, or to appreciate the value of technique" - From the preface to Concrete Mathematics; Graham, Knuth and Patashnik

infinotize 24 minutes ago 1 reply      
In the video Sprey critisizes the F-15, which is not unsurprising considering the history of him going off and designing the F-16. But isn't the F-15 regarded as a great aircraft? It costs nearly double, but has a good record and capabilities, and is perhaps better than the F-16 at everything but slow dogfighting.
knowaveragejoe 30 minutes ago 1 reply      
> Lockheeds F-117 stealth fighter was developed in a breakneck 30 months by a close-knit team of 50 engineers led by an experienced fighter designer named Alan Brown and overseen by seven government employees. Brown said he exercised strict control over the design effort, nixing any proposed feature of the plane that might add cost or delay or detract from its main mission.

> The F-35, by contrast, is being designed by some 6,000 engineers led by a rotating contingent of short-tenure managers, with no fewer than 2,000 government workers providing oversight. The sprawling JSF staff, partially a product of the designs complexity, has also added to that complexity like a bureaucratic feedback loop, as every engineer or manager scrambles to add his or her specialty widget, subsystem or specification to the planes already complicated blueprints and inexperienced leaders allow it.

For those interested in a deeper look at why the F-35 is so, well, F'd, this is a great read:


It basically comes down to stupid design considerations forced upon the program by the various branches(mainly the Marine Corps) and how easily blinded Congress was by the notion of a (supposedly cheaper) one-size-fits-all solution.

henryw 15 minutes ago 1 reply      
Wow, I didn't know stealth was a scam. WW2 radars can be used to find modern "stealth" planes.
virtue3 54 minutes ago 1 reply      
hey guys, it's ok. The chinese jacked the f-35 designs. Removed the VTOL aspect, narrowed the chassis, and now it's a much MUCH better aircraft. Hopefully they're cool and let us buy them back from them!
bediger4000 1 hour ago 3 replies      
How does any pair ("co-designer" implies two designers, doesn't it?) of people design anything as complicated as an F-16? I've only worked on rockets and missiles, but the design of something as small and simple as the old Harpoon anti-ship missile is a pretty complex interplay between guidance-and-control, aerodynamics, propulsion and structures.
rosser 1 hour ago 0 replies      
"The point is to spend money. That is the mission of the airplane, is for the US Congress to send money to Lockheed."
akeck 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Om Sweet Om: functional front-end engineering with ClojureScript and React getprismatic.com
111 points by trevoragilbert  3 hours ago   33 comments top 9
skrebbel 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Thanks for this post! I'm very inexperienced with Clojure, but I'm a big fan of React. I've always wanted to understand how Om encourages immutability and how it deals with "UIs are stateful by definition", but I never managed to wrap my head around it, probably due to my missing Clojure skills.

Your post explained it in general terms. I will probably apply the same in plain JS now. It sounds like an interesting challenge to implement the Cursors idea using React's Update addon [1] instead of depending on Mori. (I don't like Mori because I don't get the feeling that it's intended to be used without ClojureScript - its API is rather cumbersome from plain JS)

[1] http://facebook.github.io/react/docs/update.html

kylebrown 16 minutes ago 2 replies      
I'm real curious about the potential interplay between core.async and om/react. Bruce Hauman has a great tutorial on using core.async channels (as opposed to event callbacks) to process user input and gestures.[1] David Nolen (creator of Om) also covered core.async.[2] But these tutorials pre-date Om; core.async came to clojurescript in summer 2013, Om wasn't released until 2014.

I guess the way React handles input is by attaching event handlers to child components, so that changes to the child properties bubble up to the root component state. Is this the optimal pattern for handling events in a React app? Or is there an advantage to be gained by using core.async channels to process event input for Om/react?

I haven't seen any examples which use both core.async and Om/react, but I'm very curious about the possibility.

1. http://rigsomelight.com/2013/07/18/clojurescript-core-async-...

2. http://swannodette.github.io/2013/07/12/communicating-sequen...

dustingetz 1 hour ago 4 replies      
fwiw it's possible to achieve all of these benefits in vanilla react using javacsript with regular javascript data structures

    * single mutable ref to normalized app state    * cursors for encapsulation and modularity    * O(1) deep equality checks    * fastest possible react performance
source: I have done it in two large react apps, but i have not documented it yet. Blog post coming soon.

Interestingly, as your app state gets bigger, you are actually forced to use something like cursors for all state updates, for performance reasons. Naive immutability in javascript means clone-before-modify, which is far too slow when your state values are large. It quickly bubbled up in our profiler. Funneling all immutable updates through a cursor means the cursor can use structure sharing on the state value, skipping the defensive clone and preserving reference equality for equal subtrees. Also afaik, implementing a general shouldComponentUpdate (edit: in js) without something like cursors is not possible, because you need === equality for onChange props.

w01fe 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Engineer @ Prismatic here. I'm happy to answer any questions about the post or our experiences with the rewrite.
haberman 1 hour ago 2 replies      
One thing that's unclear to me: does this require the entire application state to be loaded into memory all the time?

If your application state is large but you only care about a few parts of it at a time (a few "cursors") how does Om deal with that?

jlehman 2 hours ago 2 replies      
I've had the same experience building http://fitsmeapp.com with Om/Clojure -- great to see real, production apps being built in CLJS!
presty 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I'm interested in knowing more about how people are architecturing their Om projects

e.g. are you using something like:

app component <-> page components <-> (widget) components

where the app creates the page and the page creates the widgets and communication is flowing through channels?

and how do you deal with url transitions?

do you capture and flow up the click from a widget back to the app so it knows it's time to render a different page? and have some (case ...) at the app level?

or using some kind of mix with secretary and changing the location.href/a hrefs?


Touche 1 hour ago 1 reply      
It's going to be much nicer when ClojureScript runs in Node without needing a JVM. Now a ClojureScript project requires a lot of boilerplate and running cljsbuild auto. For big projects this is fine but I want to write smaller scripts in ClojureScript as well. Basically I want to do:

   cljsbuild app.cljs > app.js
And that's all. No project.clj, no waiting 5 seconds for clojure/jvm to load and Closure to compile it all.

andrejewski 1 hour ago 0 replies      
For people who have wanted to try this type of programming out but have not jumped the boat from JavaScript to ClojureScript, I created a little library that mixes Backbone and React in a similar model described in the article: https://github.com/andrejewski/reactbone

It takes away a lot of the data-binding cruft that you find in Backbone.View and works well with React without making you switch languages, design paradigms, or add new libraries. The Backbone component makes it easier to build data hierarchies than with plain JS, but I assume other MVC frameworks could be retrofitted to work with React.

OpenXcom 1.0 openxcom.org
63 points by etiam  2 hours ago   17 comments top 8
aquadrop 31 minutes ago 0 replies      
That's the game (original) I played for years in my childhood, and opening theme was my favorite music video :)Thanks to the team behind OpenXcom.
swombat 26 minutes ago 0 replies      
Nice but... the iPad game completely took care of all my XCom cravings for quite some time. It was one of the most solid iPad games I've encountered. It's more a remake than an adaptation, and they really put in a lot of effort to bring the first XCom game into the 21st century, and it shows.

It cost 10 or so, and I never regretted a single penny of it. If you loved this game, I really recommend getting XCom on the iPad.

PS: This is not meant to take away from what these guys are doing... but watching that ancient creaky interface after being treated to the modern touch interface in the iPad game was somewhat painful. Here's a video:

Vektorweg 1 hour ago 2 replies      
I really like OpenXcom, but like the original Xcom i can't play it because of its rather stupid hit calculations. Range to the target isn't used for calculating the chance to hit a target. Because the troops can't hit something when it stands in front of them. Resulting in funny battles.

There is an build-in mod to reduce the chance to hit a target based on range. Since this doesn't solve the issue, the melee aliens become even more dangerous. And from all games around, Xcom do have the nastiest melee alien ever.

devindotcom 43 minutes ago 0 replies      
I'm so pumped for this, tried it about a year ago and decided to wait. The games I come back to in my life are Mega Man 2 (okay and a few other NES games), Final Fantasy III/VI, and XCOM. Others I dip into and remind myself of every once in a while, but these I actually regularly play through semi-regularly because they're just such a joy. Can't wait to dig in, maybe with a mod or two, and fret over my squad for a few hours. Thanks to the team.
Tsutsukakushi 3 minutes ago 0 replies      
Xcom fans should also check out x@com.http://xcomrl.blogspot.fi/
danso 1 hour ago 3 replies      
Congrats to the team...I think my appetite for this has been whetted a little by the modern 2K Games remake...which, I know, is kind of heresy, but it really is a great example of how streamlining and simplifying an already decently-thought-out game (i.e. restricting soldiers to one special weapon and grenade, and base management to one base) can still be satisfying.

That said, in the remake, the AI is inexplicably "boxed" up. That is, the AI doesn't move until you stumble upon them...and so if you're patient and methodical, it's not terribly hard to win most fights, scratch-free. That ruined the tension that the original game had...The About page for Open-XCOM says the AI is improved...I'd love to see a writeup on what was changed.

tunnuz 44 minutes ago 0 replies      
This is one of my all time favorite games. So I'm really happy someone is wishing to bring on its legacy. I think I'll play it very soon.
bobcostas55 1 hour ago 0 replies      
How's Xenonauts? Have they made enough changes to justify the price?
The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says forbes.com
111 points by dbingham  4 hours ago   75 comments top 16
Eliezer 1 hour ago 2 replies      
I'm skeptical because it sounds like this effect should be tradeable, unless they're using some measure of shareholder returns which doesn't imply that you could short-sell high-paid-CEO equities and buy median-paid-CEO equities and get an excess return. In other words, it sounds like this study is postulating an exploitably inefficient market, unless this kind of data only recently became available. http://lesswrong.com/lw/yv/markets_are_antiinductive/

To be clear, I'm very willing to believe that the companies with the highest-paid CEOs have generally poor governance and will antiperform on some appropriate metric, like price-to-book. But that metric shouldn't be equity price changes because CEO pay is public info, people are already speculating about it as a negative sign, and the market should already be taking that into account and pricing such shares lower (meaning that the returns cost less, hence such stocks should return the market rate, albeit perhaps with greater volatility).

abraxasz 2 hours ago 3 replies      
Ok, so I do believe that CEO's are usually overpaid with regard to their performance. That being said, I am not convinced by the methodology used in the study, specifically the period used for measuring the performance: 3 years. It sounds like a lot of time, but actually, I would expect a truly great CEO to undertake projects with a 5 years or more horizon. There's this great interview of Bezos discussing the point of focusing on quarterly results vs long term. So an alternative explanation for the findings could be: the highest paid CEOs invest in 5-10 years projects, so their results after 3 years are below average.

Again, I repeat that even before reading the study, I intuitively agreed with their conclusion, but I'm not so sure about their argument to prove it

JacobJans 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I think this is the most interesting excerpt from the study:

"The level of incentive compensation is significantly negatively related to the forward ROA, while the level of cash compensation is positively related to the level of ROA.

Overall, we conclude that our results seem most consistent with the hypothesis that overconfident CEOs accept large amounts of incentive pay and consequently engage in value destroying activities that translate into future reductions in returns and firm performance. "

nostrademons 1 hour ago 1 reply      
This may be a correlation-vs-causation effect. It's possible that companies that are in poor markets and likely to do poorly in the next few years have to pay more to attract qualified CEO candidates, because good executives realize the shit the company is in and don't want to take the risk of a failure on their resume without being compensated significantly for it.

This would also explain why the negative correlation is strongest at the extreme high ends of the pay scale - these are the companies that are in the worst shape - and why these CEOs relied heavily on acquisitions, because they had no talent or useful products in the organization itself. It also fits with Warren Buffett's observation that "When a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is the reputation of the business that remains intact."

One way to confirm or deny this hypothesis would be to look at companies that previously were high-performing, and then see what the correlation between CEO pay and the change in market performance is within that group.

malandrew 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm really curious about the relationship of CEO compensation and employee satisfaction/morale in companies. I have lost count of the number of times I've heard about a CEO, COO or CFO getting 8 figure salaries while the rank and file employees had to forego their bonuses in a touch year. I cannot begin to imagine how devastating that knowledge is to employee morale.
carsongross 2 hours ago 1 reply      
The conflict-of-interest and self-dealing problems at the c-suite and board level are absolutely pervasive at this point.

I don't think much will change until investors finally throw in the towel on the capital gains lottery and start demanding dividends at the point of pitchforks.

balls187 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Interestingly, Peter Thiel wrote that Startup success is correlated with CEO pay (or the lack there-of)


bunderbunder 2 hours ago 3 replies      
There's an interesting psychological phenomenon I've read about where if you offer someone a material reward in return for doing a job, it tends to make them enjoy the job less. In extreme cases, you can take something that a person really loves to do and make it feel like a burdensome chore for them, simply by saying, "I'll give you $X to do Y".

I wonder if this story could have something to do with that.

beat 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I'm not happy that they led with Larry Ellison as an example. As a Founder-CEO, his perspective on the company is fundamentally different from the mercenary CEOs running companies they didn't found or haven't worked at for decades.
reversiontomean 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Is it possible that what we're seeing here is a reversion to the mean[1] - CEOs who do particularly well some years get large pay packages, and then when their performance reverts to the mean in subsequent years they end up overpaid relative to performance?

[1] Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman

endlessvoid94 3 hours ago 2 replies      
It's naive to not pay yourself a reasonable salary once you can afford to.

One of the biggest regrets of failed first-time CEOs is that they didn't pay themselves enough.

highace 3 hours ago 0 replies      
...but the best negotiators, evidently.
mantraxB 3 hours ago 5 replies      
> "The more CEOs are paid, the worse the firm does over the next three years, as far as stock performance and even accounting performance"

Yeah well this entire study is invalidated by using stock performance as the lazy way to measure CEO performance.

Expensive CEOs are typically expensive, because they're hired to fix a company that everyone knows is going down. The riskier the company, the more the stock is expected to go worthless, the more you get paid in cash for taking on the job.

So it's expected that if you look for expensive CEOs you'll be seeing stock/accounting performance going down in short to mid term, because recoveries, whether successful or not, take time. They take years.

Also are you honestly counting CEOs who get millions in stock and $1 pay as... just getting $1 in pay? How stupid are you.

squozzer 2 hours ago 0 replies      
The article merely scratches the surface. We can probably agree that corporations have certain structural flaws, but I doubt making a CEOs life more burdensome - who would take the job under a claw-back regime without some kind of financial protection? - will improve the picture.

One line of inspiration come from government - maybe a bicameral board - one for managing quarterlies, the other for longer horizons - might fix some issues.

Another might be to limit cronyism - boards seats given to CEO appointees, or limiting the number of board seats a person can hold.

marknutter 2 hours ago 0 replies      
"The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study <Which Is in Line with People's Assumptions> Says"
apalmer 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Ehh this isnt really rocket science. If you take someone who is specifically focused on their own benefit over that of the company, and you have that person run your company... they are going to make choices that benefit them more than your company...

I wouldnt say CEOs arent worth it, but the incentives are completely perverse.

Show HN: We put an iPhone on the front wheel of a car evilwindowdog.com
264 points by stelabouras  7 hours ago   72 comments top 23
btbuildem 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Kudos to you guys for trying to solve the VVS problem! For your second experiment, may I recommend attaching the iphone to the disc of a variable-speed angle grinder? You'll get a much larger range of speeds, as well as the ability to aim the camera freely. You'll be able to test how your accelerometer algos handle pitch and yaw IN ADDITION to centrifugal force!
binarymax 7 hours ago 4 replies      
I have some serious sea legs and almost never get motion sickness. The fullscreen youtube vid got me. Great experiment.
Goosey 6 hours ago 5 replies      
I found this to be really incredible. That is some amazing video stabilization technology. If this app was available for android I think I would use it for every video capture I ever do.
asciimo 4 hours ago 2 replies      
This looks like something that iOS will incorporate as a native feature. When they do this, do they usually buy the technology? Or the entire company?
FollowSteph3 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Do NOT load from an iphone. Almost impossible to regain control of your browser!!
stelabouras 6 hours ago 2 replies      
Thank you for the support! Here are 5 promo codes so you can try our app for free! http://codehookup.com/2291e14c
smallegan 6 hours ago 2 replies      
Bought the app, seems very laggy on my iPhone 5s. Is this to be expected? I wonder if it is doing the processing as the phone is recording or if it is capturing the accelerometer data and modifying the video after that fact?
martin_ 4 hours ago 0 replies      
It'd be really cool to see a side by side comparison with, and without Horizon active
click170 5 hours ago 0 replies      
They kept mentioning 'Horizon', took me a couple minutes to realize they weren't talking about the BBC Series heh.
TheCraiggers 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Does anybody know of any software which can do this for videos which were already captured?
p00b 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Very cool experiment, and even cooler visual results!

One thing though - the tilting of the scene from the phone's perceived variance of the gravity vector is not due to centrifugal force, but due to inertia.

In other words, it's the same reason you're pushed back into your seat when you accelerate, and slam your head into the dashboard and spill hot coffee in your lap when you lock up the breaks.

lewisflude 7 hours ago 0 replies      
A really cool way of showing off Horizon. Good work guys!
return0 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Great job guys. Hope to see this integrated in the iPhone.
zingermc 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I poked around the website and their projects look awesome, exactly the kind of stuff I'd make if I were more talented. I wish I lived in Greece because I would find these guys and beg them to hire me.
dested 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Now this is viral marketing. Great job guys
cratermoon 2 hours ago 0 replies      
That's nausea-inducing.
spada 5 hours ago 0 replies      
will there be an API for this?
ekosnow 7 hours ago 0 replies      
oooohh!!! great experiment with great results!!
thisjepisje 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Drive faster god darnit!
sek 6 hours ago 2 replies      
Why not a GoPro on a wheel?

Edit: I just think I should've googled that first.

universome 6 hours ago 2 replies      
Cool experiment, I just dont get, how that idea came to your mind?- "Oh, man, look, I have an iPhone. Guess what?"- "Yeah, we should certainly put it on a wheel of a car!"
S4M 6 hours ago 1 reply      
...And it's interesting because?
bra1n 7 hours ago 2 replies      
Better title: "Show HN: We put an iPhone on the front wheel of a car and drove really slowly for less than 10 seconds at a time"
Scoop: A Glimpse Into the NYTimes CMS open.blogs.nytimes.com
40 points by edavis  2 hours ago   9 comments top 6
tvon 2 minutes ago 0 replies      
Note that they are not, as far as I know, talking about this: http://www.scoopdev.org/

IIRC the NYT CMS was announced a few years ago and a github repo was put up, but I don't remember any code materializing.

edit: Maybe longer, according to this Scoop is about 6 years old: http://open.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/introducing-ice-wri...

> But even when we began developing our in-house Web content management system (CMS), Scoop, five years ago, (...)

BrandonSmith 45 minutes ago 0 replies      
The CMS is in a renaissance period with Wordpress, Joomla, Drupal and the like falling out of favor.

I believe the CMS is bifurcating into two specialized directions.

Several online publishers are coming out and describing their new, home-grown custom CMS. The features are rich and provide robust, innovative tools across the long-form content lifecycle: writing, editing, and publication. There is special attention to collaboration.

On the other hand, more and more website developers align themselves with the goals and properties of static site generators. SSGs are best suited what I call "malleable" websites.

Thus, I think the way to think about this CMS renaissance is that traditional the CMS tried (and failed) to optimize for both long-form content and the malleable website. As a result, people are sick of trying to patch the traditional CMS with plugin after plugin and instead are simply crafting their own.

burritofanatic 10 minutes ago 0 replies      
I was always under the impression that they're Django/Python. Can anyone confirm?
jonaldomo 50 minutes ago 1 reply      
I could see this as premium wordpress service successfully charging $15 - 25 a month for bloggers.
nsher 42 minutes ago 0 replies      
Looks like Drupal with a few node_hooks to me
keehun 53 minutes ago 1 reply      
Very interesting and cool article, although I wonder what the point of this is? Just a show and tell? Doesn't seem like they're open sourcing it.
The History of Mana: How an Austronesian Concept Became a Video Game Mechanic theappendix.net
54 points by chesterfield  3 hours ago   15 comments top 7
acheron 17 minutes ago 1 reply      
Just so you know, it's pronounced "monna". http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2000/06/16
liotier 2 hours ago 0 replies      
What, no mention of Populous ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populous
egypturnash 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Hah, I guessed "Niven's fantasy books" would be an important part of this story.

The back of my head is saying "but what about JRPGs using the term since forever" when he only discusses M:TG and Warcraft but I could be wrong.

Taniwha 2 hours ago 3 replies      
Well I live in New Zealand - "mana" is a Maori word that's sometimes used when referring to people - it doesn't really have a "supernatural" meaning, more one of "well earned importance and respect" - someone with great mana has the respect of their peers/community/tribe and deserve respect by others for this reason
swayvil 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Mana == Prana (yoga) == Chi (I dunno, karate or something) (== attention, maybe). People have been talking about this stuff forever.

Generalized cosmic power.

People scoff, but I think that modern people are just different. A shift in sensitivities happened. We're all about ideas now.

Consider the classic case of the geek who can't get laid. It's like he's blind to something.

fit2rule 2 hours ago 0 replies      
What, no "Magic Carpet"? Pfftt ..


I was very amused when this game was released and there was 'mana everywhere', but as an Australian I guess I kind of already knew what mana was by then .. what fascinates me about this article is that it seems that we're finally looking beyond the prejudice and realizing - contemporaneously - that we lost a lot of value in life because our forefathers were racist, intolerant assholes.

Pxtl 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Long article is long. Funny, I was a huge fan of Niven when I was a kid but only read his SF books, never his fantasy.
Facebook Slingshot A new way to share photos and videos sling.me
77 points by jeremylevy  4 hours ago   85 comments top 30
jameshart 3 hours ago 12 replies      
We live in the age of wonders. The internet and mobile devices create endless possibilities for people to communicate, learn and interact. And at Facebook, a company which can, if it chooses, pick from among the brightest engineering minds and focus their efforts on any problem it chooses, the power to concentrate years of programming knowledge on the capabilities afforded to us by this astonishing bounty of personal technology has produced:

"A new way to share photos and videos"

And they don't even seem to have a monetization strategy for it.

songzme 3 hours ago 3 replies      
This app brings to mind an excerpt for Larry Page - The untold Story:

...Up front, an executive pitched a new product that helped users find the right offline store to do their shopping.

The executive was well into his pitch when, suddenly, Page interrupted him.

No, Page said emphatically. We dont do this.

The room grew quiet.

We build products that leverage technology to solve huge problems for hundreds of millions of people.

He went on. Look at Android. Look at Gmail. Look at Google Maps. Look at Google Search. Thats what we do. We build products you cant live without.

This is not it.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/larry-page-the-untold-story-2...

jfasi 4 hours ago 2 replies      
This underscores what appears to be an interesting strategic move by Facebook: build an ecosystem of applications, which in turn encourages people to use their other products. In turn, this provides continued competition against Twitter, Tumblr, etc.

The interesting thing about this app is that it's an experiment: viral success of social applications appears to be a hit or miss sort of thing, so why not throw many things at the wall and see what sticks la Paper, Home, Messenger, or buy something already big la Instagram or Snapchat.

One benefit of this strategy is that it raises barriers to entry for your competitors: the more modes of social interaction you offer, the fewer opportunities for your competitors to chip away at your empire, and the more enticing your properties become to advertisers.

theg2 4 hours ago 4 replies      
The catch is a pretty big deal, and by deal I mean a deal breaker for me.

Why do I have to share something back with someone in order to see what they've shared back at me? I understand it's great for engagement but who would use this over Snapchat or Instagram.

jpsim 9 minutes ago 0 replies      
It's nice to see lots of some experiments come out of Facebook, but they should really be seen and treated as such.

Is this a revolutionary product idea? No. Is it a platform for Facebook to see what sticks and then apply to its core offering? You bet.

dcpdx 4 hours ago 3 replies      
I'm not sure I understand the allure of this; perhaps I'm missing something. So I have to send a video/photo in response to someone who sent me one, in order to see what they sent? It seems like there would be a massive disparity in interesting activities between two parties at any given time to make this concept work. If one of my buddies is having a riot at Coachella and sends me a crazy festival pic for instance, and I'm just sitting at my desk doing work, what am I supposed to do? Send them back a pic of my coffee mug or something? Seems like they felt they had to do something to distinguish themselves from Snapchat but I'm not sure this is the answer. Time till tell though, I guess.
gfodor 1 hour ago 0 replies      
It's obvious this is just another Facebook experiment to see if it sticks. To criticize the idea head on is dumb, I'm sure the people who built it have their own skepticism as well. Probably easy to build and launch, so they did. Criticize their methods (like focusing on photo/video apps in general, or on mass experimentation), not the specifics of experiments themselves if you want to be taken seriously. The least productive use of time is sitting around arguing if you think an idea would work, if it's easy to test.
afandian 3 hours ago 0 replies      
502 Bad Gateway


(edit: it works now. But it didn't 15 minutes ago)

izolate 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm curious to know whether the slingshot team extensively "dogfooded" their application and found that the mandatory slingback requirement wasn't as bad as I'm expecting.

I imagine they did. Surely they wouldn't release an app without adequate market research/qa.

Still, I'm not convinced. I'll have to try it.

mrcwinn 1 hour ago 0 replies      
The only concept stranger than being encouraged to send a photo of such little value that it disappears, is being asked to respond to something you can't see.
minimaxir 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I've downloaded the app (username: minimaxir) and it's somewhat of a usability nightmare, much like the recent Snapchat update. The camera buttons are nearly invisible if you're facing a bright light source. (such as your face, which is a rather common use case with this type of app.) Additionally, there is absolutely no button for the app options: I found them completely by accident by tapping my username.

This is minimalism gone too far.

prezjordan 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I see the "catch" as a never-ending chain, and the conversations will end quite awkwardly.
Trufa 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Be careful if you're using headphones, scared me to death.
0xeeeeeeee 4 hours ago 1 reply      
One interesting thing I've noticed is facebook has been making a lot of new apps and widgets.

Messenger, Paper, Slingshot.

Seems to me that they are trying to increase engagement with the "new" factor. I think it's pretty smart.

nthState 4 hours ago 2 replies      
HackerNews guys & gals are probably not the audience of the app, but the audience Facebook's aiming at will love it.
hoopism 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I am guessing this is something kids will use to share nude pics... wish I was a kid now...
Kopion 4 hours ago 2 replies      
From the Tech Crunch article [0]:"Over the next six months, they set out to build an app where theres way less pressure to create because everyone is creating, Reuben says."

I have never felt pressure to "create". Has anyone outside of the SV/SF bubble felt pressure to create?

[0]: http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/17/facebook-slingshot/

darrelld 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Seems like they're trying to create more interaction and it sounds like it would be fun...for the first couple of times.

Who really wants to go out of their way to make a new video or photo to see something? We've all become accustomed to the instant gratification that the internet offers, why would we suddenly opt in for a slower experience?

Or it will turn into people sharing the same generic useless video / picture over and over just to see a video a friend sent, but then at that point why use this product at all?

But maybe I'm wrong and it will take the preteen / teen world by storm.

josteink 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Not available to me because of my country? You mean because I'm not from the US?

Screw that.

k-mcgrady 3 hours ago 1 reply      
>> "Mr. Flynn, who said he thought up Slingshot as a way to push his brothers to respond to his photo messages" (From NTY)[1]

What a bad reason to create a product. People don't want to respond to your messages so your create a way to try to force them to respond. Realistically they probably won't care enough to reply and now won't see your messages at all.

[1] http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/17/facebook-releases-s...

6thSigma 2 hours ago 0 replies      
So Slingshot expects you to respond to something before you can find out what you're responding to?
etrinh 2 hours ago 0 replies      
The app is pretty confusing to use. For those of you stuck like I was, you actually have to complete the tutorial in order to add people and start "slinging."
themark 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I notice that you have to sign up with your phone number. Could this be a clever way to link phones with Facebook accounts that do not have a phone number ?
cantabrigian 1 hour ago 0 replies      
FaceBook Slingshot: where we incentivize you to share photos no matter what else you're doing, even if you're biking with a child strapped to the front and there's a glorious picture of your shadow on the ground. Nope, nope, there it is got it. Phew. (re: promo video)
edgyswingset 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I don't see how this can help then monetize more. Chances are the people who are using Slingshot already use Facebook. Where does the payoff on the investment kick in?
mrpanda 45 minutes ago 0 replies      
I guess this is game over for snapchat?
orasis 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm feeling old since I seem to have an innate aversion to vertical photos or video.
huangc10 1 hour ago 0 replies      
why? serious question.
rbosinger 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Chlorophyll? more like borophyll...
dang 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Related submissions that we buried as duplicates:



It's not always obvious which post to treat as canonical, but the current thread has the most substantive discussion.

Nokia 'paid millions to software blackmailers six years ago' timminspress.com
71 points by rpledge  4 hours ago   29 comments top 7
a2tech 4 hours ago 4 replies      
'the money was delivered but the police lost track of the culprits'

A solid showing by the Helsinki police

0x0 3 hours ago 2 replies      
That's absolutely insane! Even after paying the ransom, how could they be sure noone were still sitting on the keys? Assuming it's code signing keys, it sounds incredibly irresponsible to not (force) update all devices anyways.

Is really the only thing protecting the safety of those devices the promise of a blackmailer to not abuse the private keys they were sitting on?

... makes me wonder what else we don't know about all the other vendors...

fidotron 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I can fully see how this could happen. Too many companies don't understand the value of keys like this, and won't until they have a similar situation.

I wonder how exactly the criminals came to have them in the first place, but would be willing to bet it was ultimately incompetence by someone at Nokia.

swatthatfly 4 hours ago 2 replies      
I always wondered how you do paperwork for something like this. It must be a nightmare from an accountant perspective. What is the bill code for "blackmail" when you file the income tax and you write a 6 figure expense. In the end your cash has to balance out, you cannot not declare it. Anybody with experience in something like this?
pdenya 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Wow, that's rough. Not much you can do against a vulnerability that'll destroy the trust of your entire customer base. A DDOS is one thing but I probably would have paid the millions in this case.
beernutz 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Though the article implies it was source code, it was actually the code signing keys used to limit running code to only properly signed binaries.
hyperion2010 4 hours ago 3 replies      
I'm trying to imagine this happening to someone like Red Hat.

BM: "We have the keys to your software repos give us money or we leak."RH: "Here's a tarball of the sources it make your life easier, knock yourselves out! Maybe we'll even get some new developers!"

Obviously there are reason's why companies choose to keep their software closed source, but sometimes I wonder.

RethinkDB 1.13: pull data via HTTP, push data via changefeeds rethinkdb.com
83 points by coffeemug  5 hours ago   30 comments top 11
sync 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Huge release this time around. Congrats guys & gals!

`r.args` isn't very flashy but is a huge step forward for ReQL.

Removing protobuf makes deploying to certain platforms (e.g. heroku) so much easier.

Promises support for the Javascript driver brings it to the modern age.

And of course changefeeds and `r.http`!

If you've been hearing about RethinkDB and thinking about trying it out, now's a great time to spin the wheels.

dkhenry 4 hours ago 1 reply      
It is tough to keep up with all these changes. I mean Rethink was pretty feature complete for me like four or five releases ago.

I don't know how I feel about the http command but I am digging the other changes. Keep up the good work.

troyk 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I really hope I get to use Rethink in anger before I die. Last time, I had to move on because we are multi-tenant SaaS and it seemed the compound indexes just were not up to that task, does this release fix any of those issues? (I seem to recall I was having to use a between query and not being able to sort, but it was a while ago and I quickly got back to work with old reliable (postgresql))
transientbug 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Damn, rethink won't stop getting better and better! I'm looking forward to getting to use the changefeeds, as I've currently got a redis list that I use to get notified of changes to rethinkdb, which is fine but just another cog in the system to debug.

Seriously guys, thanks for the great product and awesome database experience (PyRethinkORM author here).

imslavko 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Built-in notifications on writes are really cool! This is something Meteor had to implement on the application layer because MongoDB never supported it natively (and the oplog consumed by Meteor didn't really have enough context). RethinkDB gives you both oldValue and newValue which is super cool!
orkj 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Great stuff as always. I have had a RethinkDB instance in production for 13 months now (since 1.4 - developed it while on 1.2) and looking forward to upgrading and playing with the new features in other projects.

Thanks again for your awesome work, guys!

kclay 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Great release, time to get my Scala driver updated. Who wants to help getting the `changes` api to work with itertees?
Seich 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Congratulations on the release guys. The update to the Javascript driver is huge and will make development a lot less painful. I get to remove a lot of redundant code thanks to that.

I am a huge fan, keep up the outstanding work!

maxpert 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Great job! Totally loved it. Thought it would be a good idea to have channels instead of tables for pub/sub mechanism.
Goranek 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Is using http out of the db really useful? Can someone give me a simple case when this should be used?
samstave 4 hours ago 3 replies      
No offense, but I found the voice of the engineer difficult to listen to seriously, found the video too humorous.
Authentication for Single Page Apps madhatted.com
45 points by mixonic  4 hours ago   5 comments top 2
agnokapathetic 1 hour ago 2 replies      
While this works fine for most single-role customer facing applications (the kind most startups are building), as a security engineer most Single Page Apps (SPAs) which handle authentication like this (client side) have horrible authorization issues.

I've seen many SPAs with totally unauthenticated API endpoints. They'll control what a user's allowed to do with the UI and hide unauthorized functionality, but direct requests to the backend still allow any request.

The thing to keep in mind is: don't trust the client. The final word on authentication and authorization should always be done server-side.

EGreg 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Why is this a big deal? Obviously OAuth can be done with a popup. What we really need is instant and anonymous personalization when a user enters the app.
The Man Who Saves You from Yourself (2013) harpers.org
174 points by schrijver  9 hours ago   86 comments top 18
drzaiusapelord 6 hours ago 5 replies      
This is a long article with a lot of items to discuss, but my take is that its "easy" to "brainwash" people because a lot of what's being offered is actually good, but, of course, used cynically and for social control.

The Hare Krishna kid didn't know it before, but he now realizes that meditation helps with his social anxiety. Except now, he's in bed with the Krishna's, instead of finding a personal and secular path to meditation. The girl in the Christian cult discovered the power of community and forgiveness. Funny how white centric these articles are. If a kid becomes a Krishna its suddenly a bewildering thing, but if a kid joins a gang on the south side of Chicago, we just shrug. Both these things have a lot in common; society, family, etc not providing what they should and not projecting those values to kids.

I think religiosity and cults rise when secular society fails at something. We're not telling kids that meditation can help them. We've not telling them that maintaining personal relationships is actually hard work and forgiveness even harder. Perhaps nowadays we are. I see a lot of what religion offers distilled into non-faith based practices. You can meditate without knowing the first thing about the buddha. You can engage in a personal spirituality without feeling guilted to show up for social functions (that only seem to empower the leaders of congregations). You can explore consciousness with drugs, lucid dreaming, or just via one's informed imagination, etc.

Empowering individuals to discover information on a personal basis is what the information age is all about. There aren't anymore gatekeepers. I imagine this keeps cult activity low, not to mention a lot of cult stereotypes are from the 60s and built upon mindless baby boomer excess and dramatic parent attention baiting like 'dropping out of society.' Not only are we in the post-cult age, we are entering the post-religion age. I don't see too many gen-x'ers and gen-y's dying to get up early to go to church to be sermonized by the ravings of 1st century zealots. I don't see how that's remotely in their interests.

xefer 7 hours ago 2 replies      
I remember this article when if first came out. Of all the weirdness outlined, one item, which wasn't even part of the main story and added as a bit of color detail, stated:

"Sullivan first worked with Singer in the early Nineties. One case involved a woman posing as a psychologist, who had persuaded several of her male clients to undergo sex-reassignment surgery. (The men later alleged that they had been brainwashed.)"

That is a level of brainwashing that I wouldn't have even believed was possible.

gwern 5 hours ago 0 replies      
This is a very sensationalized article. It seems to be based almost entirely on Singer's acolytes, people with severe conflicts of interest, and long-outdated information, and doesn't reflect the current understanding of 'cults'. Some starting points. On the value of the opinion of "the doyenne of cult scholarship", an issue that the OP seems to never mention despite constant invocations and quotes of Singer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Singer#Cults

> Her expert testimony was no longer accepted after the report of the APA taskforce on Deceptive and Indirect Methods of Persuasion and Control, of which she was chair, was rejected by the Board of Social and Ethical Responsibility for Psychology (BSERP) of the American Psychological Association. Thereafter, courts shifted to accepting the position held by the great majority of scholars studying new religious movements, moving away from the perspective of Singer and others sympathetic to her brainwashing thesis.[11] This had significant consequences later on, since it meant that brainwashing could no longer be used a defence for the practice of deprogramming.[11]

(Singer, incidentally, made a lot of money from being an expert witness peddling her debunked theories.)

Some relevant excerpts of less credulous research: http://lesswrong.com/lw/imu/notes_on_brainwashing_cults/

oftenwrong 7 hours ago 1 reply      
"Get it wrong, and we call it a cult. Get it right, in the right time and the right place, and maybe, for the next few millennia, people won't have to go to work on your birthday."

- Dr. Robert Sapolsky


hkarthik 5 hours ago 1 reply      
I encourage anyone interested in cults to watch the documentary film "Kumare" which is available on Netflix and Itunes [1].

It's the story of a film maker of Indian origin who creates a cult persona and gains followers in the Phoenix area. It's really fascinating to see what kinds of people fall for it and how they are increasingly more drawn to him.

[1] http://www.kumaremovie.com/

Roritharr 7 hours ago 4 replies      
"The FBI hired him because he claimed to be a Vietnam veteran, but Sullivan discovered that this was a lie during the war Nivette had been a student at UCLA."

This baffles me and lets me question the sincerity of the article. Can this possibly be the case?

ohwp 8 hours ago 1 reply      
The 'print' button opens a very readable version: http://harpers.org/print/?pid=243068
pit 5 hours ago 2 replies      
There's a "Download PDF" button. Holy cow, my respect for Harper's, and perception of them as a serious publication, just skyrocketed.

Are any other online publishers doing that? It's not even that I'm going to print it out or anything, but clearly it shows that their priority is readership, not ad conversions.

rgbrgb 4 hours ago 1 reply      
> Cult leaders and con artists are opportunists who read the times and the ever-changing culture and adapt their pitch to what will appeal at a given moment.

Multi level marketing, in particular a company called Nerium [1] is the closest thing I've seen to a cult lately.

[1]: http://www.nerium.com/

arjn 2 hours ago 1 reply      
So here is a question :

What is the difference between a cult and an established religion ?

Is it the size of the following ?

Is it the time of origin, i.e. recent vs long ago ?

Is it the number of followers ?

Or is it some combination of the above, or something else altogether ?

andyidsinga 7 hours ago 1 reply      
this: Forget about their philosophy, he said. Lets focus instead on who is really in power.
Ologn 2 hours ago 0 replies      
This guy should help people who listened to the charlatans and then bought Bitcoins and Bitcoin ASICs.
jqm 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Many years ago I had a friend who became involved with a Dahn yoga center. (No offense to yoga, I do it myself).

It started off innocently enough, but soon became (in my opinion) very obviously a cult. Not only did they make ridiculous claims and demand large amounts of money, it became all consuming, especially for his wife. My friend sometimes talked about "enlightened masters" and if that phrase doesn't ring the CULT bell I don't know what will. I became a bit concerned and suggested he stop going. He didn't listen. Soon enough, his wife was spending lots of private time with one of the instructors or officials at the local center. My friend was not concerned because according to him, that particular individual had transcended the desires of flesh and was pure in intent. At least... until his wife confessed to having sex with the guy (I'm sure this is against Dahn policy and this particular incident doesn't indite the entire "cult".... it's just the kind of danger cults bring). So, after a few "I told you sos" my friend and (reluctantly) his wife agreed to quit the Dahn center. A few months after that they joined some kind of fringe pentecostal church (what is wrong with people?). I shook my head in disgust and stopped hanging out with him. Later he and his wife divorced and he moved away and we lost contact.

I still see ads for Dahn from time to time portraying them as a harmless yoga center set up in the strip mall. In fact, some people here may respond angrily that they are NOT a cult. But based on their rhetoric they most certainly are. They may be slightly less pernicious than some cults but they are harmful, are after your money, and can cause you trouble. I have seen it first hand.

300bps 5 hours ago 0 replies      
And even so, they resort to mass suicide only when they come under threat and have no other way out. Marshall Applewhite of Heavens Gate, for instance, had a terminal illness.

I'm unaware of Marshall Applewhite having a terminal illness when he convinced 38 of his followers to commit suicide.

He feared he might have cancer but an autopsy revealed he didn't have it, and I'm unaware of any evidence that says that was a motivating factor in the suicides.


Medical examiners determined that his fears of cancer had been unfounded, but that he suffered from coronary atherosclerosis.

Most people his age (65) suffer from coronary atherosclerosis and it's not considered a "terminal illness" like pancreatic cancer would be.


After age 40, about 50% of men and one-third of women can expect to eventually have coronary artery disease.

squozzer 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Tasty. Too bad people like him don't practice deprogramming us from greater evils than two-bit cults - for example, communism, capitalism, patriotism, orderism.

Each of these isms also demand suspension of thought and beliefs in either magic or the greater wisdom of authority figures.

easymovet 2 hours ago 0 replies      
fyi paywall
angmar5 7 hours ago 0 replies      
+1 for using "to-the-tits" as a modifier of degree.
hnha 7 hours ago 2 replies      
This ends at a climatic moment prompting you to spend 40$ to continue reading. Fuck everything about this dishonest baiting. It's a shame because I enjoyed reading this up to that point.

Don't waste your time with this cliffhanger.

SolarCity has signed an agreement to acquire Silevo solarcity.com
115 points by ph0rque  7 hours ago   37 comments top 15
revelation 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Quite interesting, particularly considering Elons name is there. Elon was quite adamant in talking about SolarCity that they concentrate on the consumer-facing business, not producing solar cells, which as he explained is just slightly refined pure silicon with connectors slapped on, very much a commodity business where state actors like China are essentially subsidizing the West for buying solar panels in a bid to crush solar panel competition. So he didn't want to get into that.

Maybe, as with the Gigafactory, he sees an opportunity here.

Here is Elon saying making solar panels is a bad idea:


felixbraun 6 hours ago 2 replies      
> SolarCity was founded to accelerate mass adoption of sustainable energy. The sun, that highly convenient and free fusion reactor in the sky, radiates more energy to the Earth in a few hours than the entire human population consumes from all sources in a year. This means that solar panels, paired with batteries to enable power at night, can produce several orders of magnitude more electricity than is consumed by the entirety of human civilization.

Elon shining through here.

There is little doubt that SolarCity will be a huge deal.

jakozaur 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Silevo seems already have industry grade panels at 21% efficiency. That's quite a lot in home/utility panels:http://sroeco.com/solar/most-efficient-solar-panels(13 - 17%)

I can't find easily the price/W, but assuming they can produce panels at similar cost that's going to be huge.

johnohara 3 hours ago 0 replies      
The 35% U.S. federal subsidies for solar energy are due to expire in 2016. That's an important consideration.

Nice coup for New York and its rebranding strategy. Doesn't Sanyo have a big facility upstate?

Unfortunately, in all of this, we never see a discussion about individual ownership and transfer of excess SREC's.

chanced 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Somewhat interesting that this occurs weeks after the tariff increase on subsidized Chinese solar panels. I wonder how closely those two events are aligned beyond mere coincidence.
senthilnayagam 6 hours ago 0 replies      
good move. Tesla gigafactory would produce 50 GWh battery storage, they themselves need huge volumes of solar panels for their ever expanding charging stations network
ape4 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I have a small amount of roof space so want to buy efficient panels.
api 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I found Elon's secret business plan!


torrenza 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Stock jumped 16% after that was released.
SEJeff 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This is one of the companies with Elon Musk helping drive the vision. They're going to go far.
startupfounder 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Take a step back.

With 1GW of solar capacity production in NY by 2017, 50GWh of battery production in the southwest by 2020, Tesla's and SpaceX's manufacturing facilities in CA, Elon's distributed clean generation, storage and transportation empire is concentrated in the USA.

All of these companies are becoming increasingly in control of their supply and distribution channels.

What's next, is Musk going to use SpaceX to mine asteroids for their metals to build increasingly inexpensive clean transportation, batteries and solar hardware back here on earth?

dang 4 hours ago 1 reply      
We changed the title to the first part of the lede, since it says what the article is about.
kudithipudi 7 hours ago 0 replies      
The team @SolarCity and @Tesla continue to push the boundaries . I think this is going to change the landscape :)
jguimont 4 hours ago 0 replies      
What keeps them from installing their system in every states or even Canada?
kbenson 5 hours ago 1 reply      
I like the section on "Forward-Looking Statements". While I'm sure some will take it as weasel-words to cover his ass (and I suspect if it was absent many of these people would find something -anything- else to critique), I think it's just prudence.

It comforts me to see a big announcement with a caveat, because I feel they are trying to be accurate instead of bombastic.

Show HN: We open-sourced our anime discovery application github.com
31 points by radq  3 hours ago   14 comments top 3
mhurron 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Once again, if I have to sign in to look at anything about your service, I will not look at it. Might be cool but I don't care. MyAnimeList doesn't require a login to look around.

Yes, I'm not a user to care about, but it's just annoying.

radq 3 hours ago 2 replies      
We started working on Hummingbird slightly over a year ago and have grown quite a bit since then. We have a total of 50,000 registered users and ~30% MAU.

We decided to open-source it because we dont always have the time we would like to work on it after putting in hours at work/school, and we had a lot of our users interested in helping out. We also found that working out in the open is a lot more fun!

We have a fairly modern stack, the backend uses Rails, Postgres and Redis. Front-end is a client-side application written using Ember. (Mostly there are legacy pages still rendered using Rails and some performance-sensitive parts that use React.)

The current incumbent in this niche is a website called MyAnimeList (myanimelist.net) which has upwards of 2 million registered users. Considering it looks like it hasnt been updated since 2005 we strongly feel this niche deserves better.

Please let us know what you think!

jey 53 minutes ago 2 replies      
Why target anime in particular instead of (for example) all TV and movies? Is it more about having a beachhead, or is it that there are important characteristics that make anime unique compared to other media?
Managing Pricing heavybit.com
45 points by pvh  4 hours ago   12 comments top 8
brokentone 3 hours ago 3 replies      
Unrelated... this video player and transcript integration is really, really nice. Did HeavyBit build some or all of it? I see the player is video.js
pvh 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Pricing is super hard - I love this framing of the problem but there are so many other good references. I'm also a big fan of Neil Davidson's very brief book "Don't just roll the dice": http://neildavidson.com/download/dont-just-roll-the-dice/
yurylifshits 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Notes from another pricing workshop by Michael Dearing


n00b101 52 minutes ago 0 replies      
I think the following approach is more appropriate, at least for big business: http://www.rti.com/whitepapers/Dirty_Little_Secret.pdf
j_s 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Rob Walling of Startups for the Rest of Us discussed the first of a two-part article on SaaS pricing by Richard White of UserVoice in episode 153.

The podcast also covered collecting billing info in episode 179 and briefly discussed handling credit card expirations in episode 184.





nakodari 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Kudos to HeavyBit for including the transcript. As a hearing impaired individual, it really helps. I hope it becomes a standard across the industry to include transcripts (or subtitles) with every video.
gyardley 1 hour ago 0 replies      
As an aside, I've got the Dualit toaster he talks so much about, and it's worth every penny. Attractively designed, built like a tank, lifetime warranty, easy to clean, and makes perfect toast.
suzyperplexus 3 hours ago 0 replies      
There are also a few quick videos on the Harrison Metal site itself: http://www.harrisonmetal.com/pricing_1/
What Instacart taught us garrytan.com
40 points by lalwanivikas  4 hours ago   22 comments top 10
paul 3 hours ago 1 reply      
It's easy to think of reasons why something won't work. The best entrepreneurs just do it anyway. I'm still impressed that Instacart is taking on Google, Amazon and others, and succeeding!
tlb 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Instacart started with food that internet early adopters wanted, even though it was operationally difficult.

Other services started with items that were easiest to catalog and inventory. Safeway (for example) started with a full selection of Oscar Mayer luncheon meats and Kraft processed cheese food, but no microbrews or good cheeses (I remember searching for Brie and getting no results) even though they have such things in stores around Palo Alto.

Instacart took the better path: first please early adopters, then please everyone at scale.

chollida1 3 hours ago 2 replies      
> YC S12 company Instacart is well on its way to being one of the iconic companies of our times.

I'd normally dismiss talk like this, but given who said it, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Can anyone shed some light on how Instacart has become just as "iconic" as companies like Facebook, Twitter, Google or Microsoft?

coralreef 3 hours ago 4 replies      
Dang, I hate to be "that guy", but surely there's a better, more useful lesson we can learn here.

"Don't be a dreamer, be a creator", AKA "get shit done", "hack the world", etc. is pretty par for the course.

Mr. Garry Tan tell us more about how Instacart executed, how they got to those first steps of signing suppliers. Any such tidbit would be valuable and useful to us entrepreneurs!

nemrow 13 minutes ago 0 replies      
I butt heads with folks every day over the importance of validation before building begins. I have always been a believer in BUILDING first. The only way to really validate the product is to the put it in REAL hands and see how it does. Well said Gary!
mtdewcmu 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm not sure what lesson one can draw that could be replicated. I guess, nothing succeeds like success?
hemaljshah 3 hours ago 0 replies      
This is the classic case of turning from wantrepreneur into entrepreneur. People get scared and frightened over how 'crowded' markets are based on how many people claim they are moving into the space or are thinking about doing 'x' but fail to realize how few people actually do something about it.

Every entrepreneur should take one valuable lesson from this: execution is everything.

ostrichpepper2 2 hours ago 4 replies      
I'm surprised by the press that Instacart is getting. Peapod has been doing something similar since 1996 and I'm sure others have, too. What makes Instacart different or "iconic"?
mkal_tsr 3 hours ago 0 replies      
So if you want to accomplish something you have to do it, and if you have a financial stake in a company you'll over market it ("iconic companies of our time") ... nothing new here.
free2rhyme214 2 hours ago 0 replies      
This is excellent advice Gary.
Report: Chinese phone comes preloaded with spyware yahoo.com
22 points by chip  2 hours ago   12 comments top 9
Holbein 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Of course, if you buy an iPhone in Europe, and you want to use it any significant manner, you're getting spied on by US agencies as well:

- GPS: the wifi and celltower db queries that optimize the service are transferred into a foreign country.

- use Siri: uploads your whole address book to US servers before use

- use iCloud tabs: every URL you visit it uploaded to Apple's US servers

- turn on the only cloud backup solution available on the device, and all your data, including every SMS, every call and all your most private notes and photos are also transferred into the foreign country of the US, with a chance of it being analyzed by certain agencies.

In other words, this might qualify as getting spied on as well.

CountSessine 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I wouldn't try to minimize this issue - it's terrible that the Chinese are trying to fit spyware into unbranded phones like this. Perhaps the bright side here is that when the Chinese do try to commit electronic espionage, they're pretty clumsy about it.


Given the way smartphones everywhere are made - China and elsewhere - it's impossible for even technical users to know that their phones aren't spying on them. While most of the software running on your smartphone's application processor is now open-source (if you're in the Android majority), the software running on the baseband processor is 100% closed source and secret. We don't know anything about the horrible agreements that have been made between shady government agencies and the baseband manufacturers like Qualcom.

bsder 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Um, why is there a running assumption that this is the Chinese government?

A Chinese manufacturer has even more incentive to steal information and sell it given the razor thin margins on making these phones.

vampirechicken 1 hour ago 0 replies      
The entire american telecom infrastructure is rife with spyware. Why should chinese telecom be any different?
etiam 13 minutes ago 0 replies      
How are we doing for FOSS cell phones again?
mrbill 1 hour ago 0 replies      
There's a ton of these generic MTK-processor-based phones available online; I bought and played with a few a year or two ago. They range from "really crappy" to "pretty nice", but in most all cases you're stuck with the version of Android that they ship with, as there's no ongoing support, no upgrades from the vendor, etc.
eevilspock 11 minutes ago 0 replies      
The NSA deliberately weakened crypto keys/code. How is that any different?
airencracken 2 hours ago 0 replies      
To the surprise of no one.
lyinawake 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Read this as "Chinese people come preloaded with spyware". Was disappointed when my brain debugged it's sensory input.
YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service theguardian.com
103 points by uptown  7 hours ago   75 comments top 14
fpgeek 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Upon reflection , I think this article (and others like it) are starting from the wrong place and end up confusing the issue more than illuminating it.

I think the right place to start is that Google wants to offer a premium, ad-free YouTube service. Given that, what happens to videos that are ad-supported today:

1. They participate and are ad-supported for free users and subscription-supported for premium users. Cool. Everyone's happy.

2. They don't participate and...

(a) Premium users see ads anyway. They're pissed.

(b) Premium users don't see those videos at all, but free users see them with ads. Might dodge the issue for a while, but when they find out they'd be even more pissed.

(c) You can't offer ad-supported videos to free users unless you also offer ad-free videos to subscription users. Labels that like the ad-supported terms and don't like the subscription terms are pissed.

Alternative (c) seems to be what Google has picked. Which seems logical if they're launching a new service they want new users to like.

Corollary: Indie labels should still be allowed to post whatever non-monetized videos they want (subject to other YouTube policies like the terrible ContentId, of course). If that isn't true, then we can talk about being "kicked off YouTube". Otherwise, they're choosing to leave because they don't like how the monetization option is changing. That's clearly their privilege, but, in the exact same way, it's Google's privilege to change the monetization they're willing to offer (whether that's as small as tweaking the payout formula or something larger like adding a subscription tier).

P.S. I found some of the Ars Technica comments (not the article) particularly helpful in terms of explaining how this must fit together: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/06/artists-who-dont-sig...

Shooti 3 hours ago 2 replies      
Plausible breakdown of Google/YT's side of the story:

1. Youtube wants to offer users a subscription service with no ads.

2. Youtube needs to update its licensing/terms with artists: If a video plays for a subscriber they see no ads, artist gets money from subscription pool. If a video plays for a non-subscriber they see ads, artist gets money from ads pool.

3. Artists need to explicitly agree to these terms because it changes how and how much they'll get paid.

4. It doesn't seem fair for a user to pay a subscription, expect to see no ads, and then see ads for some video's because that artist/distributor did not agree to new terms. This is why Google wants all or nothing.

notatoad 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Youtube blocks all videos they don't have the rights to. If an indie label refuses to give google the rights to show their videos, then youtube can't play those videos. That isn't youtube blocking indie labels, it's indie labels refusing to licence their music to youtube.
k-mcgrady 5 hours ago 3 replies      
Every time I read about this I still can't believe Google is creating this service. Why do they need to create two of everything? They have Android and Chrome OS. Their was Wave, Buzz, Google Plus. I have separate Google Plus tied to my personal and business accounts and there is no way to resolve it. Now they have Google Play Music, Google Play Music downloads, and they're creating a new separate YouTube streaming service for music.
k-mcgrady 5 hours ago 1 reply      
>> "WIN claims that the company has signed lucrative licensing deals with major labels Universal, Warner and Sony, while demanding that independent labels sign up to inferior terms or face having their videos blocked from YouTube's free service."

I hope this isn't true but it wouldn't surprise me. Creators of services that allow music to be accessed for free/very cheap always talk about how it's great for independents while simultaneously offering the majors better deals and screwing over the little guy.

JonnieCache 5 hours ago 1 reply      
So basically they're chopping off the long tail? Seems bizarre to me.

Google really is the new MS.

Twitter should buy soundcloud and add music video hosting to it. Premium users only obviously.

spingsprong 7 hours ago 6 replies      
Will somebody here please make a video hosting website to replace YouTube.
NAFV_P 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Second paragraph in the article >YouTube is about to begin testing the new service which will charge people to watch and listen to music without ads, and download songs to their mobile devices within the next few days, initially within Google.

Make a note of the wording: "watch and listen", as opposed to "listen and watch".

newaccountfool 3 hours ago 1 reply      
YouTube is about to begin testing the new service which will charge people to watch and listen to music without ads, and download songs to their mobile devices within the next few days, initially within Google.

So, Adblock Plus and Youtube to MP3?...

sheltgor 4 hours ago 0 replies      
This could seriously open up the market for a new contender. Didn't Twitch take off thanks to how onerous it has become to handle game-related videos on Youtube? Perhaps something similar could happen for music, since as far as I know youtube is a HUGE source of exposure for independent artists and labels.
tehwebguy 6 hours ago 1 reply      
This is super weird, I'm under the impression that music generates much higher ad rates than most content on YouTube. Wouldn't eliminating ads be sort of shooting themselves in the foot, even against a subscription fee?

Maybe they see the other streaming services replacing them in the near future.

askura 5 hours ago 1 reply      
This is VERY bad news for Indies that are seeing a lot of success through videos that go viral.
chris_mahan 4 hours ago 0 replies      
YouTube is becoming OurTV.
EGreg 3 hours ago 2 replies      
Another symptom of centralization. Why don't people host their own videos?
World Cup...in JSON (for free) sfg.io
6 points by llamataboot  41 minutes ago   1 comment top
llamataboot 2 minutes ago 0 replies      
And the obligatory blog post about building it! http://softwareforgood.com/soccer-good/
Hands-on with Canonicals Orange Box and a peek into cloud nirvana arstechnica.com
32 points by ghosh  4 hours ago   3 comments top
trhway 2 hours ago 1 reply      
20 cores i5 @ 1.8GHz , 160G RAM, 1.2T SSD for $12K.

My [at a BigCo] HP workstation has 16 cores i7 @ 2.6GHz, 256G RAM, 1T SSD - about $10K. Of course it doesn't consume 320W power - its power unit is something like 1KW :)

I'd wonder what is advantages of Intel NUC in such a cluster setup over say using microATX boards with 4 core i5 and 32 GB per board.

How to Build a Home-Brew Radon Detector: Measure Radiation with a Webcam ieee.org
27 points by taivo  4 hours ago   10 comments top 4
dm2 2 hours ago 2 replies      
"At this level of sensitivity it would take the detector about 20 hours to determine whether radon was present at levels recommended as actionable by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency with about 10 percent accuracy."

What does 10 percent accuracy mean? Doesn't that mean it's usually completely wrong?

http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/ looks like a great site, I can't wait to build some of these things!

lutorm 2 hours ago 3 replies      
How do you know the hits aren't cosmic rays? It seems a few hits per hour could easily be cosmic rays, unless they are distinguishable somehow.
pavel_lishin 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I eagerly await a comment from someone who builds one of these, and discovers that their house has much more radon than is safe.
vincetogo 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Shouldn't that be radioactivity? Light is a form of radiation, and I'm pretty sure that webcams can already measure that.
In Defense of Recruiters 42floors.com
58 points by quadlock  6 hours ago   42 comments top 15
df07 6 hours ago 1 reply      
The main difference we've seen is between retained vs. contingency recruiters. Contingency recruiters don't get paid unless they find you a hire, which sounds great in theory but turns it into a lottery for them: spam as many developers and companies as you can, hoping for a big jackpot. It also leads to some of the scummier practices of hiding names and contact information (wouldn't want to lose that commission!), and paying for referrals (after all, if I'm getting $20k for a hire, I can afford to pay out $2k to the person who did the work). They don't really care if you fire the person after 6 months because they'll be on to the next thing (or, even better, they can make another commission off of you!).

Retained recruiters, whether they're contract or full-time, are ones you pay to represent your company. They work off a salary or an hourly rate, like normal employees. They expect to be there in a year or two, so if the hire doesn't work out they'll hear about it. They represent you as a company and don't have any incentive to hide who they're working for or who they're talking to. You can still get clueless recruiters here, but at least the relationship is much better.

joshstrange 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I have almost no problem with internal recruiters, it's the external/contingency recruiters that I hate with a fiery passion. They call during work hours, email constantly, and provide VERY little value in my experience.

As others have mentioned, due to the high payouts to these recruiters they are willing to lie their pants off to get you to accept the job. The last recruiter I worked with tried to hide the name of the company which really irked me. I am not some piece of cattle to be herded between companies and I am perfectly capable of looking up information on a company to determine if I want to work there or not.

I don't need a recruiter throwing buzzwords at me that he/she thinks will convince me to take the job. Every call with the recruiter was more painful than the last and then at one point the recruiters supervisor contacted me and used even more BS/flowery language to try and convince me to apply for the job.

A few months after I got a new job (without a recruiter) I was contacted by another recruiter but noticed before I trashed the email that this wasn't from a company of recruiters. Instead it was a recruiter hired by the company looking for programmers. We talked back and forth on email a little and she was very nice and I felt like there was much less over-hyping (still a little but that's to be expected in that position). Within a few days and about 2-3 emails I had a phone call with the co-founder. I ended up not taking the job due to lack of experience in what they were really looking for but it was a very pleasant experience. Contrast that with 5+ calls (3 during work before I told him not to call 9-5) with the external recruiter, a meeting in person, him harassing my reference, and never once being able to talk to anyone at the company they were trying to hire me for.

rayiner 4 hours ago 4 replies      
I don't get all the recruiter hate. You're the pretty girl/handsome guy at the dance, for now. The unsolicited attention will fade with age. Enjoy it while it lasts.
awjr 6 hours ago 2 replies      
Nothing wrong with recruiters, but never make the mistake of thinking they are your friend no matter how 'nice' they appear. They follow the money. It's their job to do that.

I can remember being on contract and wrangling a bottle of Whiskey out of the agent. I had to go into the car park and collect it quietly there as he didn't want the other people he was managing on site to get wind he'd given me it. Funny in an odd way.

Remember that an agent is just following the money. A lot are on basic + bonuses. One reason I used to keep the company and address of my current role off my CV is that their focus is so much on locating new roles.

Of note if you hate an ex-boss, just casually mention that you worked for X :D

aantix 4 hours ago 2 replies      
If you care about maximizing your take home pay, you will not use a recruiter.

Regardless of what they tell you, their fee will factor into your salary negotiations and give you less leverage to the upside.

While the potential employer won't tell you the recruiters fee, behind closed doors the conversation goes "Well, he wants 125K and the recruiter has a 10% fee on top of that, so..."

You're automatically a more expensive employee if you go through a recruiter and that's a bad thing. If you're half-way good at what you do, reach out to the company you like directly.

Peroni 2 hours ago 0 replies      
The reason full-time internal recruiters tend to operate very differently to external recruiters is primarily because the incentive is entirely different.

Full-time internal recruiters are rarely financially incentivised per hire or to hit targets. If they are, I'd strongly argue that the company employing them is utilising the recruiter incorrectly.

External recruiters live and die by their targets and their commission. Money is a terrible incentive (possibly the worst) for encouraging recruiters to actually help their candidates or clients.

Just like the best engineers/designers/etc, the best recruiters are those that go above and beyond simply to help their company succeed. When you use an external recruiter, that company is an agency.

jpsim 8 minutes ago 0 replies      
Like the talent you're trying to hire, recruiters span the spectrum from horrible to not-so-horrible... with the occasional gem. Now if only there were recruiters to help find good recruiters.
saganus 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Is it not possible to do some sort of "phased" payment to recruiters? So instead of giving 10% of the employees salary if actually employed (or employed for at least 3 months or other variations), how about giving increased percentages depending on actual time employed. So maybe 1% of salary if employed, then 5% is the employee stays for more than 3 months, then 1% every 3 months thereafter until it reaches 10-15% or some other amount.

I would imagine that this would encourage recruiters to not do a shotgun approach (i.e. do any employee you can) as only the actually good employees will be profitable, and the others will probably end up costing the recruiter more than the first 5% he could get.

Of course I have no experience doing this and all figures are made up, but are there any obvious reasons of why this would not work? Maybe in the end the final percentage is higher than the typical market rate for recruiters (i.e. >10% maybe) but extended over a longer period so the recruiter would have to actually cherry-pick the candidates.

henrik_w 58 minutes ago 0 replies      
My experience of recruiters is mostly good. I spend almost no time saying no to offers that I don't like. For offers that might be good, I have a better negotiating position than if I applied for the job - I still have my current job, so they have to make a really good offer, otherwise I won't switch.

I am mostly contacted on LinkedIn, and I think, on balance, that it works well there. I've written about it here: http://henrikwarne.com/2013/08/21/linkedin-good-or-bad/

Spooky23 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Recruiters who suck mostly suck because that's what their customers want.

When you get a call from some shady recruiter asking you about a 6 month contract in Omaha, you're getting that call because a company or government agency decided to start doing strategic sourcing and procure people the same way they buy any other commodity.

So two things explain the poor quality -- they are literally squeezing every penny out of the process and are hiring idiots

The other thing is that they don't want to find candidates. They want to have low rates of success -- they're just engaging in a recruitment process to justify hiring workers on guest visas who can be more effectively exploited. If you look in an industry "trade rag", you'll usually find a page with some hard to read, small print job postings -- those are "compliance" advertisements purchased for the same purpose.

tieTYT 1 hour ago 1 reply      
I hate the ones that require you to give an in person interview with them before they'll suggest you for an in person interview with a company. Can someone explain the reason they do this?
jrjarrett 1 hour ago 1 reply      
So how does someone who is a recruitee get connected with a DECENT recruiter?

All I seem to get are the body shop type places contacting me (aka Robert Half, TEKSystems). I've told them that I would be interested if and only if it would mean a step up, go on to explain my current levels of pay,vacation, sick, bonus, etc, and say if the opportunity isn't better than that, then we have nothing to talk about.

Of course they start trying to hard sell me, and it turns out these places have zero benefits.

I'd entertain discussion with someone looking for my skills that would be willing to pay for them.

kreitje 5 hours ago 1 reply      
A recruiter setup an interview for me about an hour or so south of where I live. He talked up how great of a person the C is. I show up early and wait for the recruiter. He showed 10 minutes AFTER the interview was suppose to start and only then actually met the C person.

I started talking to the interviewer and found out that one of the main things on his list for a candidate was to be local. Within 5 minutes we both knew this wasn't going anywhere and wrapped it up.

takrupp 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Hired is basically a team of recruiters (well, at least there are a good 10 of us coming from various flavors of recruiting) and even we have a need for external recruiters and internal interview coordinator.

The external recruiters we use are in markets we don't know a lot about (like Marketing - which we are hiring for big time right now). The internal coordinator helps keep onsites organized and managing the huge amount of interview flow through the organization so that key stakeholders still have some time to do their jobs.

The low-end contingency recruiting agencies have given the whole profession in San Francisco a bad name, when in reality there are great people (like Oliver, from the post) who do great work and are incredibly valuable to a fast growing organization.

vladgur 3 hours ago 1 reply      
What would be great is finding out how much exactly recruiters and referral services charge.For instance, how much can Hired.com charge per referral to afford to give several thousand back to the employee.
Study Asserts Startling Numbers of Insider Trading Rogues nytimes.com
24 points by luu  4 hours ago   15 comments top 6
ScottBurson 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Professional traders have known this for decades. Watching for signs of insider movement and then jumping on has been a popular strategy since forever. (Of course, you have to know how to read the charts... the signs are subtle and ambiguous.)

I sometimes wonder if we wouldn't be better off without the charade of insider trading laws. We could just drop them and stop pretending the water isn't shark-infested. Ironically, Wall Street might oppose this as it might make it harder toattract suckers to the game (if I may mix metaphors).

chollida1 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I'm not very surprised by this. Information gets spread very quickly for this type of activity, infact there are entire funds created around the merger arbitrage scene.

Typically this information is told to a fund by the investment banker or company itself, and then the fund would become "restricted" on the company, meaning once they know a deal is in the works, they can't act on it until the deal has been reported.

Funds know that they are being very closely watched. Some funds do cheat, ala SAC http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-10/sac-judge-approves-..., but the vast majority don't intentionally trade on the news.

The article didn't mention it but I'd guess most insider trading happens form individual accounts and not funds. The risk reward just isn't really there for most funds, compared to individual investors.

discardorama 1 hour ago 0 replies      
This is the "Brazilian brothers" case mentioned in the article: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/two-brazilian-brother...
ISL 36 minutes ago 0 replies      
Does anyone have a link to a reliable reference on what does and does not constitute insider trading in the eyes of the SEC?

Is there a clear definition for what constitutes actionable information?

Bootvis 3 hours ago 2 replies      
Another reason could be that there are some really smart dudes profiting using only public or non-material non-public information. It seems hard to disentangle those two sources of information and I can't find anything about it yet in the paper.
wahsd 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Another argument for breaking up Wall Street and other hives of corruption like Washington DC. There is no reason that those two locations in particular should need to by physically concentrated around a physical location like that.

Some will cry and whine about proximity to the transaction switches, but even that's a policy issue. There is no particular reason that transactions need to be completed in milliseconds rather than actual seconds or even minutes. There are no legitimate efficiencies to be had, only corruption of process and skimming.

The concept of physical co-location of core functions of society and economy are ripe for corruption and doe not provide any advantages that are not utterly overshadowed by the advantages of distribution. It is essentially the transparency and sunlight that disinfects society by spreading out the corruption making it more easily found and identifiable. Distributed government and financial sectors are essentially the transparency that inoculates against corruption.

Show HN: A simple-to-update dynamic DNS service dhcp.io
11 points by stevekemp  2 hours ago   6 comments top 2
ivan_ah 11 minutes ago 1 reply      
Nice! Setting up my server to update every hour was as simple as:

   crontab -e
and adding the line:

   31 * * * * curl http://dhcp.io/set/99351a76-f6...
(the above job will run on the 31st minute of every hour)

tsangk 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Simple and to the point. Truth be told I've always wanted something like this for my own domains, so that I can point to a home machine, but was too lazy to set it up. Thanks for throwing this out here!
The best 4K monitor doesnt exist yet thewirecutter.com
61 points by smacktoward  4 hours ago   60 comments top 14
mortenjorck 2 hours ago 5 replies      

  ...though youd be foolish to buy a 24-inch 4K display, we can   only hope that Intel and Samsungs ambitions can push down   prices on larger displays.
Unless you're a Mac user, in which case you'd be foolish to buy anything else.

Reposting from my comment last year:

At 28", a 3840 x 2160 panel has a PPI of 157, which sits right between Retina and non-Retina densities. This means that on a Mac, youll have to use it one of two ways: Either at 1x, where the higher PPI means everything will be much smaller than it is on a normal monitor, or at 2x, where the lower PPI means everything will be much bigger than normal.


The best 4K monitor for Macs will be a 24, which will have a PPI of 184, just about right for something sitting a bit further back from the viewer than a 220 PPI Retina Macbook Pro display.

eterm 3 hours ago 4 replies      
What bothers me about 4k is the switching of terms.

4k makes it sound like it has 4 times the vertical resolution of 1080p, but for pure marketing reasons, suddenly instead of the 4k referring to vertical resolution as 1080 did, it refers to horizontal resolution, so is really only twice the horizontal resolution of the 1920 that 1080p had. Overall that's 4 times the pixels because of squaring, but still!

zyb09 1 hour ago 1 reply      
On the one hand I can't wait for 4k and high PPI mode adaption. Retina Macbooks already show just how pretty it is.

But the whole thing doesn't seem ready yet outside the Mac ecosystem. I see lots of issues with 4k:

- Going from 120 hz back to 60 hz, or even less. Seeing how they are struggling to get a 60hz monitor to the market, it's probably going to be a long time until we see 120 hz monitors.

- Software adaption for high PPI modes is going to take time.

- Games at 4k at 120 fps are going to be a problem for the GPU.

- Movies are going to be the biggest bandwidth hog ever, or ridden with compression artifacts.

So I'm not terribly exited yet. I probably still going to end up being an early adapter and eat through all these issues, but I think I'll wait at least one more year.

ScotterC 2 hours ago 3 replies      
I absolutely love wirecutter. If they're not already making ends meet then I'd happily donate for this kind of honesty and quality reviews.
rdl 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I gave in and bought one of the Seiki 4K 39" displays for $330 over the weekend -- it's far from ideal, but it's $330. I'm sure I can resell it for >$200 when I get something better in a few months or a year, but it's an entirely serviceable monitor.

(The $330 deal was a $399 TigerDirect with a $70 MIR, free shipping, no CA tax. Ended Monday, but I'm sure it will return.)

geekam 3 hours ago 4 replies      
I'd like to know if anyone is using a 4K monitor and their experience with it. I have an Apple thunderbolt display and I am ok with it.

I do not have a 4K. I use it with macbook pro 15" (retina display) and even though I do not get the same resolution, it does not look flaky at all and is decent enough for reading. Moreover, it connects with the pro using thunderbolt and thus does not require multiple connections for speakers, camera, mic and display.

notwhyships 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I didn't have trouble rationalizing my pre-order of this LG Ultra QHD (3440x1440) for $999. It's not 4K, but it's very competitive.http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JR6GCZA/ref=oh_details_o...
pbreit 1 hour ago 3 replies      
Has anyone tried the 39" Seiki on a Mac? At $389 seems like an easier purchase. Plus it doubles as a TV.


javipas 2 hours ago 1 reply      
The ASUS PB287Q, AOC U2868PQU and Samsung U28D590D all support UHD resolutions at 60Hz and DisplayPort 1.2 SST. That means that they support working with just "one tile", they don't give the problems the previous dual-tile solutions.

I don't really see the problem with these new monitors that are good enough for most people. Good price, the TN panels are quite decent (confirmed by reviews both at The Tech Report (http://techreport.com/review/26510/4k-for-649-asus-pb287q-mo...) and KitGuru (http://www.kitguru.net/peripherals/monitors/zardon/aoc-u2868...).

Yes, you do need the best GPUs in order to take advantage of games in 4K. And yes, OS support is still incomplete. Anyway those trade offs are not that important if you are not a gamer and you can take advantage of that desktop area.

There's always good reasons for waiting. They could lead to never take advantage of improvements: you know, new improvements could be on the horizon when the ones you waited for finally arrive. And the story repeats itself...

pan69 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Has anyone tried any of the 4k (or Ultra High Definition) displays with Ubuntu? I'd be interested to know what the results are..
tonyedgecombe 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I agree with their comments on the Dell U2713HM, I've had one for about a year now and it's very good.
programminggeek 3 hours ago 2 replies      
4K is going to really not matter much for a while simply because the average computer doesn't have good enough graphics to make good use of it.

The resolution jump is huge and so you need a lot more GPU memory and processing power to do the same things at a higher resolution. Games are now really taking good advantage of 1080p, so we are another 5-10 years away from 4k being a real thing in terms of mainstream gaming.

Also, the average computer is not going to fare well in a 4k world. Sure, you might have videos on Netflix or some Blu-ray successor look nice in 4k, but good luck getting that to be a decent experience on the sub $500 laptop your parents just bought 2 years from now with a 15.6" 4k display with terrible viewing angles, a Celeron processor, integrated gfx, and a 5400 RPM 2TB Hard Drive...

High resolution is great, but as an industry we don't seem to be willing to upgrade the related components - memory, GPU, SSD unless it's on a mobile phone.

me_again 2 hours ago 0 replies      
By all means wait, but as a programmer, I've found the Samsung 28" UHD monitor terrific. I can get a huge amount of crisp text on the screen at once, and the color accuracy is Good Enough For Me. I have not seen any issues driving the display over DisplayPort 1.2 @ 60Hz - BiOS etc all works fine.
mantraxB 3 hours ago 1 reply      
"30 fps flicker" - that's not a CRT, it doesn't flicker, because unlike CRTs, a flat display doesn't have a ray refreshing the display top to bottom.

And 30 fps on a CRT wouldn't be enough to produce stable image in the retina at all, which is why CRT TVs used to refresh at a minimum of 50Hz, and that still flickers (it stops "flickering" at around 75Hz).

With flat displays frame rate is about display responsiveness and animation detail.

So I wonder where are the claims about eye-strain coming from. Maybe because people just want better display responsiveness and they like to borrow from the problems low refresh CRTs used to cause, because it sounds scientific and legit as a problem.

Smarty: An Autocomplete UI in AngularJS thumbtack.com
35 points by katiemthom  5 hours ago   17 comments top 12
jamra 3 hours ago 0 replies      
You can debounce your web calls. Here is an example: http://davidwalsh.name/javascript-debounce-function

This means that you do not make a web call for each keystroke. That is a huge speedup.

I don't know why you would need to leverage Angular to make a typeahead, but it's a nice writeup nonetheless.

JDDunn9 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Could do a few things more the Angular way.

- Use ng-keydown on the input field (less overhead than $scope.$watch)

- $http.get has a built in promise. No need to build another one on top of it.

- No need to splice the response, just pass the whole array and use the "limitTo" filter on the results.

scriptproof 4 hours ago 2 replies      
If you want not use Angular or another other framework, a fully functional autocomplete may be made with 10 lines of JavaScript. See demo: http://www.scriptol.com/javascript/autocomplete.phpAdding a scrolling list of choices would requires two or three more lines.
Rygu 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm starting to believe that we have a .com-like scarcity problem with programming project names... Smarty PHP templates: http://www.smarty.net/
chenster 48 minutes ago 0 replies      
If you use PHP, try http://phpautocomplete.com, no javascript is required.
tegeek 4 hours ago 0 replies      
One of the most simple and intuitive autocomplete I saw was using Functional Reactive Programming technique.

Here is the autocomplete with AngularJS + RxJS https://github.com/Reactive-Extensions/rx.angular.js/blob/ma...

BaconJS home page showing an autocomplete in less than 15 LOC, http://baconjs.github.io

dchuk 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm pretty sure that, technically, that Service should actually be a Factory since it's returning an Object.
funkiee 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Angular Bootstrap's Typeahead directive does this job pretty well, although we've had to do some template overriding and funky directives to get the functionality we needed (e.g. switching the results to a different set by clicking an item in the dropdown). Glad to see more alternatives being made out there. Nice job!
itsdrewmiller 3 hours ago 0 replies      
My company did a fairly thorough review of the open options in this space and settled on select2, which has a handy angular support library here: https://github.com/angular-ui/ui-select2. This isn't the most performant one (twitter's typeahead was for the ones we looked at) but it has a lot of great features, nice look and feel, and not terrible graceful degradation.
edem 3 hours ago 0 replies      
The name "Smarty" can be confused with a templating engine (which has the same name).
deedubaya 4 hours ago 1 reply      
This reminds me of a jQuery plugin.

It should really be a directive though, so it adds all the required markup on its own.

bithive123 3 hours ago 1 reply      
FYI, the 360KB PNG on your site made me feel like I was back on dialup.
Artoo, the client-side scraping companion medialab.github.io
58 points by jacomyal  7 hours ago   23 comments top 8
brucehart 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Great work! I really like this! I typically use the JavaScript console bookmarklet for tasks like this, but it is not specifically designed for scraping. I would love to see an option that would allow Artoo commands to be packaged into a PhantomJS script. Developers could use Artoo manually to figure out what elements should be targeted and then the PhantomJS script to run it in an automated fashion.
zak_mc_kracken 7 hours ago 4 replies      
Still not convinced by the reasons offered for client-side scraping. If I'm on my browser, I'm not interested in consuming JSON.

Scraping is really something that's better done in the back end, and today, there are a lot of libraries that let you access web sites from Java and run all the Javascript you need in order to display the page properly.

fiatjaf 50 minutes ago 1 reply      
This is awesome. I've been dreaming about this for weeks.

I don't know if it is possible, but could this run as a Chrome Extension, in a background script, loading various pages, executing code on then and keep going, storing the data at the extension's localStorage?

It could also store the code of the scrapers, for reusing.

EamonLeonard 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Another "Artoo" http://artoo.io/
nnnnni 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I would like to see something that helps create useful, specific scrapers for languages like Ruby and Python.

It's annoying to have to run scripts multiple times, tweaking it after each run to get exactly what you need. It's a waste of time...

benmmurphy 6 hours ago 1 reply      
this jquery injection looks kind of dangerous. Looks like code from code.jquery.com is loaded into any page. Say I go to https://secretsquirrel.com and they have been very careful to only load javascript from their own domain but now it can also load malicious javascript from https://code.jquery.com.

it also disable CSP. i'm not exactly sure how the extension works. maybe it is turned on/off on per tab basis and defaults to off which would be quite safe. but if it defaults to on then it can be kind of risky.

notastartup 6 hours ago 1 reply      
This is great for simple, quick job. However, you can do only so much in a local browser itself.

I basically built a bookmarklet that let's you define the actions locally on your browser, and then run the scrapes in your own box, essentially allowing unmetered scraping without charging per page.


thebiglebrewski 7 hours ago 3 replies      
Yeaaaah you might wanna rename that. I think the other Artoo already has enough traction and this will just confuse people.
Show HN: HackerBody A Geeks Guide to Getting in Shape hackerbody.com
33 points by g0atbutt  2 hours ago   26 comments top 11
sinak 1 hour ago 1 reply      
My feedback: I'd love to see some examples of the kinds of workouts the service sends before signing up.
pokstad 2 hours ago 3 replies      
What makes a fitness program hacker friendly? That's basically reinforcing some stereotype that all coders belong to this fraternity of brothers. We don't. We are professionally programmers, but once I step outside of my job I am no longer a programmer. Fitness shouldn't be targeted at a specific profession, instead it should be targeted at people who work in similar conditions. Office jobs vs programmers, which makes more sense to target? There's way more people working office jobs with health issues from sitting, but the converse isn't necessarily true about programmers. A programmer might not work in an office, they might work at some hip startup with exercise equipment everywhere. My employer has it's own gym with personal trainers, but I doubt most small non-engineering offices do. You're going to hurt the bottom line by using a "hacker" tagline to sell this service.
acconrad 2 hours ago 3 replies      
As a hacker who enjoy fitness and lifting weights, the message "'meat head' free" tainted my impression of this site, as if my way of working out was bad. I happen to be someone who doesn't want "muscles on muscles on muscles" but I am also someone who works at a desk 8 hours a day and wants to stay healthy, and trust me, even lifting heavy weights 3 times a week does not turn you into some freak of nature.

That said, I'm really not even sure what the value add is here for bodyweight videos: they've been done so many times over, and with the recent popularity of the 7 minute workout[1] I just don't see what you're trying to bring to the table that is specifically "for hackers" other than the marketing appeal.

My suggestion would be to offer something that appeals uniquely to your hacker audience that isn't found elsewhere. Off of the top of my head, hackers are "lazy" (in that we aim to optimize and remove redundancy) and are convinced by science, so if you can prove that your videos are shown to be efficient, effortless (meaning everything but the workout is taken care of for you), and that it delivers marketable results, then I think you might have something.

[1] http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/the-scientific-7-mi...

nate_martin 2 hours ago 0 replies      
On your registration form, you are sending passwords over plain http.


kordless 20 minutes ago 0 replies      
As a fellow weight loss geek, I recommend dropping gluten and milk from your diet.
eglover 15 minutes ago 0 replies      
Are the videos necessary, how about photos and a timer for low bandwidth/speed? Just a though. ;)
mightybyte 2 hours ago 1 reply      
As a hacker who codes all day and likes to understand how things work, I don't find this particularly enticing. I'm not particularly interested in paying for something when I don't even know what I'm going to get, how it works, what it's track record is, etc. Furthermore, you're going to have a tough time competing with all the stuff I can get for free or the much more well known things that I can pay for.
dangowango 33 minutes ago 0 replies      
What's wrong with meatheads? As if getting in Bodybuilding-shape didnt require the same dedication as programming. I'd even say true bodybuilding is far more demanding than being a programmer. Not necessarily requiring as much math, but nobody in his right mind would compare against that.

Also, this program will not help you get in shape.

jmbmxer 1 hour ago 0 replies      
No HTTPS on login or signup pages? You lost me at hello.
jkscm 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Why do you show different exercises everyday? Technique is important especially for bodyweight exercises.

How can you call it "HackerBody" when bodyweight exercises are so much less effective than Weight lifting?

zrail 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Out of curiosity, where in Michigan are you based?
Not So Much New York Poor as Pittsburgh Rich psmag.com
93 points by ForHackernews  7 hours ago   160 comments top 28
forgotAgain 6 hours ago 4 replies      
My daughter has lived in Brooklyn since she graduated from an Ivy, class of 2011. She has a liberal arts degree. She found a job where she started in the mid 30s. After two and a half years shes broken 40 but not by much. She works about 60 hours a week. Her last review made her a manager so she gets no overtime. She works in an industry that caters to luxury so the company is setting income records. The money is all flowing to the top. Its an employers market and the starting salary the company now offers is lower then it was when she started because there are so many college graduates looking for anything resembling a job.

She lived in Park Slope for the first two years, sharing a two bedroom, fifth floor walkup, attic apartment. The entire apartment was maybe 20 x 20 ft with a good part of it of limited use due to the slant of the roof. Rent was $1,500 a month including utilities. It was a great neighborhood though and she really enjoyed her time there.

The apartment building was sold to a luxury developer and the rent was raised to $2,300 a month. The new owners really just wanted the building empty so they could gut it and change it to luxury apartments. We walked by there this past weekend and the place was boarded up.

Her new apartment is a legitimate two bedroom in a clean but very old building on the edges of Boerum Hill. The neighborhood is okay but you need to be aware that two blocks away it starts get dodgy very quickly. The rent is $2,200 + utilities. Her and her apartment mate looked for two months to find the apartment. It was the only thing they could find that was affordable but wasnt a filthy dump. The leases on the old and new places overlapped by a month and a half but they had to look early because the inventory is so limited.

Real estate in NYC has gone crazy. Manhattan prices are driven by international buyers looking for a place thats safe. One bedroom apartments in Manhattan for less than a million are becoming scarce according to the NYT. Brooklyn is priced at what Manhattan was a couple of years ago. The downtown area of Brooklyn has been very popular because of the availability of mass transit to get people into their jobs in Manhattan. As you move out from downtown Brooklyn the commute time increases quickly as subway lines spread out and express trains make less frequent stops. Two to three hours a day on a subway commute becomes old very quickly.

NYC is a great place but unless you have some equity in the place you work youre very likely not going to be able to afford to have the life you think is waiting for you there.

jimbokun 6 hours ago 4 replies      
Pittsburgh is also an outstanding place to raise children.

Our first child was born in Brooklyn, second in New Jersey, but my wife and I are originally from the Pittsburgh area. Returned to Pittsburgh while our kids were still in pre-school.

The Carnegie Library system is outstanding. The Squirrel Hill and Oakland branches (most convenient locations to us) have large, comfortable children's sections. With their loan system, can request pretty much any book you can think of and pick up in a few days in the branch closest to you. My kids understand the system and use it to get books by authors they like.

Children's Museum, Phipp's Conservatory, and Carnegie museum are all great for kids. Generally, if you go more than once a yearly membership pays off, and a lot of these are connected (membership in one gives you admission to others).

A few years older now, we got season passes to Kennywood and Sandcastle. Kennywood has fantastic roller coasters, especially the older ones.

Schenley and Frick parks are immense. With the Pittsburgh topography, you can walk through trails and feel totally removed from the city.

In many neighborhoods, you can own suburb sized homes for cheaper than the suburbs, with access to all the city amenities.

My kids walk 3 blocks to school.

I could go on. Pittsburgh is a great place to raise a family.

geebee 5 hours ago 1 reply      
These stories keep popping up, and they're all very encouraging. There was a post a while back about a startup in St Louis, another about Baltimore. There are a lot of excellent cities out there, and SF really is just too expensive (NY, too, but we're talking about tech).

I'm reminded of a quote by Patty Smyth: "New York has closed itself off to the young and the struggling. But there are other cities. Detroit. Poughkeepsie. New York City has been taken away from you. So my advice is: Find a new city."


I really do think that tech needs to embrace the need to branch out. I understand SF is a great place to fund tech companies, and that VCs (and often CEOs) appear to prefer it.

But it is frustrating to see tech elites (I'm talking about the sort of people who get to pick up the phone and vent a bit to the elected leader of the world's largest military about their company's hiring woes) insist that there is a severe shortage of tech workers when they continue to create 110k a year jobs in a city where the median 3br house costs 1.1mil. I agree that SF should build more, but this isn't going to be the solution.

If you're offering 110K a year for developers in Detroit, Poughkeepsie, Baltimore, St Louis, Minneapolis and you can't find anyone, ok, maybe we can start talking about why and how the government can help. But if you're creating 110K a year jobs in a place where two full time workers are looking at roughly 50k in child care costs and a 1.1 mil bill for the median 3br house, well of course you're having trouble finding workers!

morgante 6 hours ago 5 replies      
I think there's a pretty strong argument for moving to a Pittsburgh on sabbatical, but while I'm working I'd definitely stay in NYC/SF.

Salaries here are substantially higher (I doubt devs make $150k+ in Pittsburgh, in NYC that's very achievable), and that makes a huge difference in accumulating savings. Yes, living expenses are proportionally higher here as well so I'm still only left with a small percentage of my paycheck. But that small percentage means a lot more because it can be spent on global goods like travel or savings.

Spending a couple grand on a vacation is basically a rounding error in a NYC budget, but it'd be a decent chunk of a Pittsburgh salary. Similarly, saving just a bit of my income in NYC for a few years makes it easy to build up a large nest egg for a down payment on a beautiful house somewhere like Pittsburgh.

If I'm way off base, someone please let me know. If it's actually possible to make $150k+ in a cheap area, or with remote work, I'd be interested to hear.

rwhitman 6 hours ago 3 replies      
Folks miss out on why major cultural centers attract people. In history it was because of the opportunities from ports and trade, today its still pretty much the same. Pittsburgh is not currently an airline hub for any airline. Meaning if you want to go anywhere other than Philadelphia you need a connection. Its also not adequately driveable or train distance from any city worth going to - Cleveland is your only neighbor, and getting to Philly from Pittsburgh is considerably more painful than Los Angeles to San Francisco (have done both runs routinely I would take the 5 through the central valley over the turnpike in winter anyday). Its also not a city that anyone passes through on a regular basis without making it the destination.

I can take a meeting with even international clients in NYC without ever leaving. They come here. If you're in art, yes you want to go where you can live cheap, but if you want to make a splash you need to be somewhere where there is sufficient disposable income and a big enough transient population to support viral awareness of your art. Pittsburgh doesn't have enough of those things. I think Pittsburgh is a wonderful city, filled with great parks, cheap beer and good folks. But I haven't visited there in years and there is a reason why

benburton 7 hours ago 7 replies      
As a software engineer, and recent Pittsburgh transplant coming from NYC, I think it's ok here. The only part that's hitting me pretty hard is food... it's pretty much incomparable.

I have been trying to find decent Indian food, for example, but have been coming up short. Pittsburgh does have very good modern-American cuisine, but "ethnic" food is a bit lacking.

Going out drinking is insanely cheap by comparison. You can get a good craft beer draft for as low as $2, whereas in NYC the best I'd find would be around $4 (and that would be pretty lucky). There's plenty to do culturally, and the rent/housing prices are very good.

EDIT: Thanks for all the Indian food recommendations. I've got some eating to do!

eshvk 5 hours ago 2 replies      
I know that someday I will be moving to a small city. However, there are huge pros and cons. I have lived for the past few years in San Francisco and New York. Both are massive cities; San Francisco is a huge tech echo-chamber. It can get nauseating at times. New York has people who can be complete assholes to strangers. Just because. Yet, every time, I leave the cities to travel elsewhere, I am reminded of why I pay the expensive amounts to live here.

- Food: Walk out of your house. Go a few blocks. You will find ethnic food of your choice in New York or San Francisco. Hell, I live in the UWS in New York. Even here, in the midst of high residential nirvana, you can find random restaurants open at all hours of the night. Austin was a great city when I lived there. Except that the closest restaurant ( a subway) was 5 miles away. Ever want to do something crazy, like celebrate a birthday of a friend during thanksgiving. Not a chance. Everything is shutdown. This is not just an American phenomenon. I have been in Stockholm for the past few weeks. It is sunday afternoon and you want food? Nope, it is sunny out there so every restaurant owner in a five block radius wants to close his place and go hang out.

- Transport: If you want to live in an American city and not drive a car, I haven't found better cities to live than the two. It is ridiculous how well a city like Austin is designed for the four wheeled population. To the extent that pavements are an afterthought, sandwiched between lawns and tarmac.

- Culture: This is not going to be an issue for most people making the move. However, as a person who is a perpetual immigrant, I prefer cities that are filled with people from varying different backgrounds. New York is the most non American, American city that I have ever lived in. I wish I could say the same for San Francisco, but it really is a city of three major clusters.

mbillie1 6 hours ago 2 replies      
As a software engineer working remote, I live in Salt Lake City (not a mormon; like to ski/hike/climb), and I would never move back to NYC. For what I paid for a studio apartment in Astoria, I rent a full 3/2 house with a view of 11,000' mountains out here. There's something to be said for relative wealth.
JohnBooty 7 hours ago 1 reply      
I felt a little more sane after reading that article. I understand that a lot of people want to do their art in vibrant cities like NYC, and that makes sense for people pursuing careers like theater that you can't realistically pursue while living alone in a cabin in the woods. (Whether you can even realistically pursue it in NYC is another story, but it's at least theoretically possible)

But a lot of us (though certainly not all of us) writers and programmers and other such types would rather live somewhere cheaper and less claustrophobic. I know it's certainly what I chose. It's not without its downsides but I like the upsides.

ChikkaChiChi 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Pittsburgh has always been a great city to be "from" and only recently has become a good city to be "in".

My hometown (grew up in Hazelwood/Greenfield) is still a city very much in transition. If you stay in your designated neighborhoods like Oakland, Shadyside, Squirrel Hill, etc. you'll be blissful in your little bubble of it being a great town on the upswing. Get ten minutes out of town in almost any direction (sans the southern 376 corridor to the airport) and you'll feel like you are on a different planet.

Sometimes even taking the wrong street will have you wind up in areas that are dilapidated, poverty stricken, and villainous. The Consol Energy Center is a stone's throw from one of the historically worst neighborhoods in the country.

Knowing that, Pittsburgh has radically changed in a very short amount of time. Medical was always big there; but the dotcom boom incubated a wonderful technology center that surrounds Carnegie Mellon and the other fine schools in the area.

I wouldn't hesitate for a second moving back to Pittsburgh...just so long as I get to live in a place of my own choosing and not my old neighborhood :)

nilkn 6 hours ago 1 reply      
On the topic of less popular cities: My parents live in St. Louis. It's a wonderful place. The city was hit hard by de-industrialization, which is probably the reason why it's so affordable. It has Wash U, which is a really excellent private university. The campus is next to Forest Park and a thriving collegetown-type area. There are some gorgeous historic neighborhoods nearby as well which have been maintained over the decades, like Parkview.

The city is so affordable that it's not terribly uncommon for upper middle class folks like doctors to have vacation homes, usually lakehouses.

And I imagine there's a lot of really awesome office space available for rent in downtown at affordable rates for would-be startups; not to mention there's undoubtedly a lot of fantastic local CS talent coming out of Wash U which is largely untapped by the city.

Missouri is fully seasonal as well. It's sometimes breathtaking to see everything in bloom in the spring and early summer, and there are plenty of opportunities to play in the snow in winter.

The only thing it's lacking, of course, is an abundance of well-paying stable jobs in technology.

gw 6 hours ago 1 reply      
This rings really true, and it's not just for artists or authors. I moved to Pittsburgh so I could take a year off and just work on free software. I had about $10k in savings and it lasted the whole year. You can get even cheaper rent if you're willing to live a bit outside the city.
jaegerpicker 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I made a very similar choice as the article highlights. I'm a experienced Software engineer, particularly with the back end of web systems but also iOS and Android apps. I could live in nearly any city in the western Hemisphere and have a large choice of jobs. I found a GREAT place to work in Portland Maine and I couldn't be happier. I'm originally from the Rust belt (2 hours from Pittsburgh and about 1.5 hours from Cleveland) and we thought long and hard about either of those two cities as a good place to move but Portland and the Ocean were just too big of a draw. Portland is much cheaper than other East Coast cities but has an amazing food screen, great outdoor activities on it's doorstep, and a thriving art screen. It's also only 90 minutes from Boston and a day trip drive from NYC. We also considered NYC and SF, to me there was no way to justify the expense vs Portland. It's one reason why I don't think there will be another Silicon Valley, I think the next rise of tech companies are going to be far spread out and in places that it's easy to attract great engineers to.
kcovia 7 hours ago 3 replies      
The quality of life is really great here in Pittsburgh. I have a huge 1 bedroom, back yard, front porch, in a great safe neighborhood, a block from major bus lines. All for $600/month. It'd run me at least triple that in somewhere like SF or NYC. Sure, you can't get some of the things you'd get in those cities, but quite frankly, you can come close. There are dozens of ethic restaurants a block away, 10+ museums and galleries within 5-10 miles, and best of all, it's cheap enough to actually have time to visit them.
dreamweapon 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Knowing there are people on this planet who think their sandwiches are worth $10 apiece bothers me immensely.

It's not that the sandwiches are "worth" $10; it's that they're pegged to the square foot rent of the shop which sells them (and of the wages + salaries of the people who make them and provide them for sale; and hence, the rents of the spaces they live in, also).

That's just economics, and the same principles apply in NYC as anywhere else (with different rent figures plugged in).

robg 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I did my graduate work in Pittsburgh. $20k a year sustained me quite well. Rent for a large two-bedroom blocks from my office was $680/month. I know people who bought homes and paid a mortgage for less. Food is decent, kind people, public transportation is pretty good.
ruigomes 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Is it realistic for a fresh graduate (with a masters) in Informatics and Computing Engineering from Portugal to go straight to NYC and be able to live alone (as in not sharing rooms) and actually have some money saved by the end of the year?

I would absolutely love to experience NY, since I'm a passionate web developer.. There's so many companies in this field over there that I feel that my career would grow so much faster than if I stay here in Europe (at least in Portugal).

I would personally prefer NY over SF since it's way closer to "home".

Any thoughts on actually being able to financially live in NYC as a fresh grad?

andrewljohnson 6 hours ago 1 reply      
When I was in college in Pittsburgh (1999-2003), I rented rooms in share houses for $75-150/month, in nice parts of Shadyside and Squirrel Hill (after figuring out the dorms were obscenely expensive). I could have probably gotten by on around $20K/year, feeling very comfortable.
Tiktaalik 6 hours ago 0 replies      
The author chooses his quote from Florida poorly. Florida is talking about Pittsburgh from when he worked there in the "early 2000s" (and presumably earlier). That's a decade or more ago. Cities can change remarkably in a decade.

Florida doesn't make any statement about what Pittsburgh is like today.

LordKano 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm a Pittsburgh area native and I still react with shock when I find out what my friends and relatives in other cities pay for housing.

Over $1,000/month for a little apartment and $300/month for a parking space.

You could buy two houses in the Pittsburgh suburbs for that much money. A nice 3 bedroom house in a clean, low crime suburb can be had for under $100k. Smaller houses, fixer-uppers and houses in less than ideal neighborhoods can be purchased for under $50k.

chiph 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I've been in Austin almost 4-1/2 years, and it's changed significantly in that time. Fewer hippies, more yuppies. It's common now to hear of cash offers on houses that are $10k above the asking price.
dgabriel 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This is totally off-topic, but I've known Wammo for years&years via the music & poetry scene, and it's very strange to see him turn up on Hacker News.
steveklabnik 6 hours ago 2 replies      
I spent the first 25 years of my life in Pittsburgh, the last two in California (18 months LA, 6 months SF), and _just_ moved to Brooklyn two weeks ago.

Pittsburgh is wonderful. There's a lot wrong with it, but a lot of right too. It is certainly very cheap to live, and there's a lot going on. We even have a Techstars-affiliated incubator, which used to offer a really, really good deal. My first startup, CloudFab, went through it years ago. That said, SF is still the best place in the world to do a startup: every city says "We may not be SF, but we have X!" X is _never_ enough to make up for not being SF. I said it when I lived there too, and now that I've lived in SF, I know that's just deeply, deeply wrong. That doesn't mean you _can't_ do it, but it's a handicap.

However, living in a place is very rarely about 'economic sense.' I have a _need_ to live in NYC. I've gotten more work done in the two weeks I've lived here than I did in the entire six months I lived in SF, and maybe about a third of what I did in LA. The hustle, bustle, and opportunities are endless.

Last night I woke up at ten am, did my laundry, then went to a juice bar, worked for a few hours, walked around, ended up literally coding on a bar while watching the US. vs. Ghana game, then took the train over to Herald Square and coded in the park. It was a beautiful evening. Around midnight, walked up to Times Square to squeak in some power before all the stores closed, then worked in another park until 3am, and took the train home. You can't really do that anywhere else, at least in the states.

Oh, and I'm saving about 25% on my rent by moving to Brooklyn from San Francisco, and I'd be saving 60% if I had still lived in the Mission when I left.

akilism 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Lived in PGH for 10 years and now I'm on year 9 of NYC.

I definitely miss the cost of living but I'm making much more money that I ever did in Pittsburgh. I love it there though I day dream of moving to back and living in a nice big house in the east end.

phrasemix 6 hours ago 1 reply      
I recently moved back to Durham, North Carolina after 10 years of living in bigger cities (Tokyo, then NYC).

I expected that the rent would be cheaper but that I'd miss out in terms of culture, food, and the quality of people I met.

What I'm finding is 1) The culture that is available here is easier to appreciate and digest because there's less paradox of choice 2) The food is a little more limited but overall better 3) The people that I meet are just as smart and interesting. I often forget that I'm back in the South and not in Brooklyn.

NDizzle 6 hours ago 3 replies      
How are the K-12 public schools in Pittsburgh? Everyone seems interested to move somewhere and rent a one bedroom.
mimighost 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Studying in Pittsburgh for my master's...I like this city in general, but it is just...felt old, stuck in 90s.
badman_ting 6 hours ago 2 replies      
I left Pittsburgh, like all my friends except for one. It's been discussed as an up-and-coming city for years now, but I'm still not sure it's somewhere I would want to live. I remember when people pointed to the Google office that was built there, as an indicator that things were changing. At the time, that office had 25 employees, not sure about now. I guess I'm saying that I'm not sure how much of that narrative is actually happening for people in Pittsburgh.

As far as raising kids, I could definitely see that. Your real-estate dollar goes pretty far. The weather sucks ass, though -- even Paul Graham says so! I really wouldn't want to have to deal with that again.

(Also, the bit about "why should I pay a bunch in rent to live near some nice parks" is such a dumb way of thinking about NYC. But if you really do think that way you definitely should not go to New York.)

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