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New leak shows NSA harvests To, From, and BCC lines of e-mail data arstechnica.com
183 points by evo_9  3 hours ago   62 comments top 14
zerohp 2 hours ago 4 replies      
It's been a while since I worked with email headers and smtp, but I don't think the Bcc header actually exists in transit. The mail user agent and/or the mail submission agent remove it.

They could reconstruct this information from the graph.

ChrisAntaki 2 hours ago 2 replies      
NSA harvests the entire email.

Source: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/05/mark_klein_docu/

throwaway10001 2 hours ago 2 replies      
So who the F can we trust? All those denials from everyone and now we see this, which I kinda suspected since Verizon was ordered to hand over the same for phone calls.
dfc 54 minutes ago 1 reply      
If you don't want to use that awful doc viewer:

  wget http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/719116/pages/doc03-p1-large.gif  ...  wget http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/719116/pages/doc03-p52-large.gif
The last time the guardian had a document up and I provided these gifs someone replied with a pdf copy. I am unsure of how to get the pdf from documentcloud. So feel free to post a pdf link and please explain where you get the URL from

eslaught 49 minutes ago 2 replies      
Is email traffic typically encrypted between major providers? E.g. could a network attacker, located between Google and Microsoft, intercept unencrypted traffic between gmail and hotmail addresses?
astangl 44 minutes ago 0 replies      
They discontinued the program to save just the 3 headers because now they've got other programs that save the entire email message. And phone calls, and text messages and tweets, etc.
VladRussian2 3 hours ago 0 replies      
yep, and due to a bug in the perl script, it harvests all the lines to the next From.
mbateman 2 hours ago 2 replies      
What exactly is it supposed to mean that the NSA intercepts only data with one "foreign end"? That it intercepts all data that crosses e.g. a transatlantic cable? Or that it scans the IP header of absolutely everything and grabs anything with a non-US IP as either source or destination? Or something else?
rjbwork 2 hours ago 0 replies      
So just use the CC field, problem solved!
jccc 33 minutes ago 0 replies      
What if the near-term result of all these revelations is that it just becomes the new normal? Is it necessarily such a bad thing for the snoops in the shadows if they know people will eventually just get used to it? After all nothing really feels different day-to-day so ... meh.
hammerzeit 2 hours ago 2 replies      
This headline is misleading. It implies the program is still ongoing, where the original article clearly states that the program was shut down 2 years ago.

Moreover, after a lot of cynical complaining about Obama not being meaningfully different than previous administrations, it's worth noting that Obama was the one to shut this down.

I'm not interested in reflexively defending the government or Obama but we still need to pay attention to the facts at hand.

webwanderings 3 hours ago 3 replies      
How the heck do you track Ad interacting habits through just an IP address? I call BS on that particular paragraph.
moneyrich2 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Can I ask how? How do you have 75% of the traffic or 75% of the servers (as the article states), how the hell is that logistically possible?
barredo 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Is there any numbers on the amount of hard drives NSA have?
Bruce Schneier joins EFF Board of Directors eff.org
526 points by teawithcarl  8 hours ago   31 comments top 11
randomdrake 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Bruce Schneier is an incredible asset to the technology community. I think it's awesome that he's going to be on the board of the EFF.

Receiving an EFF Pioneer Award in 2007, his introduction alone describes why he is a perfect candidate. The audio for the speech is, thankfully, available in the Internet archive[1]. The introduction given by one of the EFF technologists is a wonderful description of how important Bruce Schneier's contributions to technology and security really are, outside of his incredible cryptographic skills.

"Skilled in his exposition of ideas about security."

Bruce's ability to explain, in clear terms, what is or isn't wrong about particular systems is amazing. Whenever there's some sort of technological thing going on in the world, security related, Bruce's blog[2] is often one of the first place I go to.

"Made people aware of the context in which security happens. The context in which security measures exist the political context, the economic context, the psychological context, the social context in which security really happens or often doesn't happen."

This is an incredibly valuable and necessary outlook on security in this day and age. The world needs more people who are aware of security, not as just some thing that you do, but really as a mindset and thing that you really have to wrap your head around.

"Worked really hard to demystify security. To help people think clearly about what really works and doesn't work."

"Emphasis and insistence that security is not an objective thing but is relative to the observer. That it's always from someone's perspective."

"You don't just have security as this thing that's out there, but security has a kind of political dimension, that you need to have a prior notion of what kinds of actions are appropriate and what kinds of actions are warranted."

I couldn't think of a more appropriate and equipped individual to help the EFF at this time in our history.

[1] - http://archive.org/details/Bruce_Schneier_EFF_Pioneer_Awards...

[2] - http://www.schneier.com

pvnick 7 hours ago 3 replies      
>Author and Critic Deepens EFF's Security Expertise as NSA Scandal Intensifies

Great news - I've read a couple of really interesting articles that Schneier's put out in recent weeks - but is the scandal actually intensifying? I'm afraid somebody is going to need to fill me in on the current state of the reaction from the public/media at large; I tend to lock myself in a filter bubble of news relevant to my interests.

jdp23 7 hours ago 0 replies      
He's in good company:

In addition to Schneier, EFF's Board of Directors includes John Perry Barlow, Brian Behlendorf, John Buckman, Lorrie Cranor, David Farber, John Gilmore, Brewster Kahle, Pam Samuelson, Brad Templeton, and Jonathan Zittrain.

Barlow and Gilmore are the EFF founders, along with Mitch Kapor who hasn't been that active for quite a while.

zdw 6 hours ago 1 reply      
I'd totally vote for a Lessig/Schneier ticket in 2016. One would clean up the political disaster, the other the "security" nightmare...
lifeisstillgood 7 hours ago 2 replies      
This feels like a move towards the mainstream for EFF.

I have a sneaking suspicion this is the beginning of a gradual recognition of orgnaisations like EFF in having a voice in regular politics. Not a big one perhaps, but being at the table.

Zikes 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Schneier sounds like a perfect fit for an organization like the EFF. I hope that with his help they will be able to do even more good.
mark_l_watson 4 hours ago 0 replies      
That is good news, and reminded me to go to eff.org and invest some money in our future via a donation.

I try to read everything that Bruce Schneier writes on security, politics, and policy.

lsiebert 4 hours ago 0 replies      
This can only be good news.
pyrocat 7 hours ago 0 replies      
/sc2Hell, it's about time
tome 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Wow, a great boon for the EFF. Congratulations!
dllthomas 8 hours ago 0 replies      
You Should Be Using Nginx + UWSGI justcramer.com
76 points by zeeg  3 hours ago   36 comments top 11
hosay123 2 hours ago 1 reply      
For a little perspective, the remaining 20ms still leaves enough time for oh, 55 random SSD IOs and time spare to zlib a megabyte of text. Or about 4.8 million instructions of a modern 2.4ghz CPU. Just what does this app do exactly?

Aah.. Django.

Seriously, 20ms isn't good even for Python. That's not something to be proud of, that's reason to rip up whatever overelaborate mess you've constructed to figure out just how you're blowing so much time.

As a reminder, a 200 byte HTTP request can be parsed in around 600 instructions or less (about 250 nanoseconds at 2.4ghz).

ra 1 hour ago 1 reply      
The real strength of uwsgi is it's emperor mode [1].

On my servers I have one upstart job whose role is simply to start the emperor daemon and make sure /var/run/uwsgi permissions are correct for writing sock files.

Each django project deployed on the server has a uwsgi.ini file in it's etc folder. This ini file holds the config for that app only. It defines where the socket file is located, where the virtualenv is located and where the project.wsgi file is located.

It's simple because you can host multiple websites on a single server, but you uwsgi configuration is separated into 'system' and 'project', so your 'project' specific config can live in git and your 'system' config never has to change.

Nginx is setup in a very similar way.

[1] http://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Emperor.html

krenoten 1 hour ago 1 reply      
This is pretty light on the details. I also use Nginx + uWSGI in front of an API that shakes up a lot of network IO behind it, and it has had a few headaches. On FreeBSD it ignores the die-on-term option, making it a pain to use in conjunction with service managers that rely on SIGTERM like daemontools. It's good that in your example you include the need-app option, as it will happily start up without being able to load anything otherwise. I'm curious what the intended default use case is, of mostly just wanting the server up - oh, and if you manage to load my app that would be ok I guess but don't sweat it! :P I disagree with a few choices in how it load balances, and tuning the backlog has proven futile with my setup. But yeah, it's lightyears ahead of mod_wsgi.

If you're a control freak who bases engineering decisions primarily on flexibility (and are bound to python/WSGI) why not use Mongrel 2 with a simple python backend instead? You can escape having to shoehorn your code into a gevent/gunicorn/uwsgi/whatever container if it causes headaches to do so. Here's a teaching example for how to play with mongrel 2 from python (feel free to change it into something that would work for you) https://github.com/tizr/belasitsa/blob/master/belasitsa.py

stevenwei 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I've been running Nginx + uWSGI for a long time but recently switched over to Nginx + Gunicorn for Gevent support, and so far it seems to be working well.

Gevent's monkey patching approach allowed me to convert a traditional blocking web app (built on Flask/SQLAlchemy) into an evented model without having to rewrite the entire app around an event-driven approach (ala Twisted or Tornado). All you have to do to get Gevent working with Gunicorn is to pass it a command line argument to use the Gevent worker instead of the default synchronous worker.

Gunicorn + Gevent also makes it quite easy to integrate WebSockets into your existing web app, which is something uWSGI doesn't handle very well yet.

All this is to say that though uWSGI is a very solid piece of software, Gunicorn is definitely a reasonable alternative to uWSGI depending on your use case.

FooBarWidget 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Both gunicorn and uwsgi are good stuff. Though a new contender is Phusion Passenger (https://www.phusionpassenger.com/), originally designed for Ruby but recently gained official support for Python. With the next release (4.0.6), Python support will be raised from beta status to production-ready status. Like uwsgi, it performs the bulk of the process management for you. It goes a step further than uwsgi by integrating directly into Nginx, so that the web server is the only thing you have to deal with.
mixmastamyk 2 hours ago 1 reply      
A couple of years ago there was an article comparing the various wsgi servers. The one that seemed most performant/low memory at the time was gevent, so I chose it for the application I was writing at the time to run on an ec2 micro behind nginx. It was very easy to use too, just wrote a 10 line python script and that was it.

I've never seen any articles about it since, so I wonder if others know something I don't. Can anyone compare gevent's webserver vs. uwsgi, gunicorn, etc behind nginx?

hendzen 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Average response time can be misleading. I'd like to see what the 95% percentile response time is.
codysoyland 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Stopped reading at "evented models never work anywhere in Python."

Gunicorn+gevent has been painless for me.

jaytaylor 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Uhm...am I misunderstanding something? It sounds to me like the author is saying we should be spending time tuning UWSGI's plethora of configuration options rather than using gunicorn. I much prefer components which "just work" for a healthy range of typical use cases.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool he made it work.. but seriously?

drivebyacct2 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Should I be using Nginx + UWSGI with Go apps? I know someone wrote a seemingly comprehensive uwsgi package for Go, but IIRC it kinda got shredded a bit in the mailing list.

edit: Hm, maybe there's a different thread or I was discouraged from using it in IRC or I'm inventing memories because this ml post is fairly lackluster either way: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/golang-nuts/2vHlfkpS-m0/MZ-X...

MostAwesomeDude 2 hours ago 2 replies      
So, as far as I can tell, you have failed to demonstrate that Twisted Web with PyPy is not a viable alternative, which is disappointing.

Also, uWSGI's core team doesn't have any faith in their own code; they use Apache instead of dogfooding. (And they're moving all hosting and development to sites like Github.) Twisted, at least, is confident enough in the quality of their code to self-host.

Memories of Stasi color Germans view of U.S. surveillance programs mcclatchydc.com
206 points by stesch  6 hours ago   81 comments top 21
feral 5 hours ago 4 replies      
The EU, which Germany is a major part of, passed the Data Retention Directive [0] in 2006.

That directive required every state in the EU to pass laws that all their citizens telecommunications metadata would be stored for at least 6 months, and often more, up to 2 years.

As I understand it, this means all 'metadata' is required to be stored, including the source and destination for every phonecall and text message, including cell location for cellphones, and information mapping IPs to users for web+email (and perhaps also the source and destination of every e-mail; but I'm not certain about that?). I believe that the data is stored by service providers, and only passed to law enforcement in the context of a particular investigation in theory (in the Irish implementation, a court order is not required to access an individual's records; a request from a high ranking law enforcement officer or tax official is enough). But its all collected and stored.

Maybe that's a sufficiently big difference that warrants the EU retention laws not being mentioned in this article? But it seems to me that they should still be part of this narrative.

There have been challenges to the EU directive, and countries dragging their heels about implementing it. But, by and large, it is an established part of EU law.

I don't know a lot about this area, but I feel that an understanding of existing European data retention laws seems to be missing from the coverage of the European reaction to the US data collection issues.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive

nekojima 4 hours ago 1 reply      
"The Lives of Others" (Das Leben der Anderen) is an excellent German film that dramatically shows the intrusiveness of the Stasi (secret police) into daily life in the former East Germany.


In the film you can see some of the techniques used by Wolfgang Schmidt and his colleagues.

ihsw 5 hours ago 0 replies      
It's interesting that the only defense the USG can muster in this debacle is their insistence that there are policies in place to prevent abuse.

Policies change when governments change, so every time there are US senate elections[1] or US presidential elections[2] then it'll be a chance that we irrevocably move further down the dark road of totalitarianism.

If there's anything to do to remedy this situation, it's talk to your congressional representative. Gerrymandering may have made that a pointless task, but it's just the first step towards freedom.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,...

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elec...

griffordson 6 hours ago 1 reply      
A choice quote:

Even Schmidt, 73, who headed one of the more infamous departments in the infamous Stasi, called himself appalled. The dark side to gathering such a broad, seemingly untargeted, amount of information is obvious, he said.

It is the height of naivete to think that once collected this information wont be used, he said. This is the nature of secret government organizations. The only way to protect the peoples privacy is not to allow the government to collect their information in the first place.

Eliezer 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I think the phrase you're looking for is "Historical literacy informs Germans' view of U.S. surveillance programs".
ChrisAntaki 6 hours ago 9 replies      
Assuming this level of unconstitutional surveillance continues, what can we do?

Here are some of my ideas: Send encrypted emails, to communicate long distances. Use the internet way less. Use cell phones only to arrange real life meetups. Hang out & talk to people in real life. Never have a meaningful discussion "over the air".

shill 6 hours ago 1 reply      
"In our case, we thought we were being paranoid until we saw what theyd gathered and realized wed been naive..."
weinzierl 3 hours ago 0 replies      

    Dagmar Hovestaedt is the spokeswoman for the German      Stasi Records Agency, which showed 88,000 people last     year what the Stasi had gathered on them. She said the     U.S. should consider doing the same.
The Stasi Records Agency is known in Germany as "Gauck Behrde"[1], because for ten years its head was the anti-communist civil rights activist Joachim Gauck.

Gauck is now President of Germany and when Barack Obama was in Berlin they met and according to the schedule talked for one hour.

I was curious which topics they discussed, but unfortunately it was not covered in the press.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Commissioner_for_the_St...

coldtea 5 hours ago 1 reply      
"Memories of Stasi color Germans view of U.S. surveillance programs"

Might as well have written: "Memories of segregation and lynching color African American's view of modern day bigots".

I mean the "color" part tries to make it as something strange (or even bad, some kind of "distortion") is happening, when it's the most natural thing in the world: actual historical experience with the issue, makes German's more informed on what it can result to and more sensitive to how bad it is.

I'm always amazed to what BS spin columnists put on their stories. And not always innocently.

hiddenfeatures 6 hours ago 1 reply      
In my experience over the last few weeks, younger Germans (my age, 30 years & younger) are blissfully ignorant ("I don't have anything to hide" - sounds familiar ?) to the impact of the government spying on its citizen.

24 years are a long time & that part of history is not as well-ingrained in the collective memory as the Holocaust. :-(

lispm 5 hours ago 3 replies      
The US is in need for a full operating system upgrade. Like going from Mac OS 9 to OS X. Not a .1 upgrade. Obama delivered a Microsoft-style upgrade. You were promised 'hope' and 'change'. What you got is a worse version of Microsoft Windows with lots of spyware and a built-in 'security' system.
Amadou 1 hour ago 0 replies      
My favorite stasi joke: After the wall came down all the former stasi agents got jobs as taxi drivers - you get in the cab, tell the driver your name, and they already knew the address to take you home.
kephra 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Clarification: Merkel said "Das Internet ist fr uns alle Neuland", not the Internet is new to all of us..

Now Neuland does not just mean "new", but "new land". Similar as America or Africa was new land after 1500. So it means, the internet is ripe to conquer it.

Merkel herself was a former Stasi member, known as IM-Erika (Informal Member Erika). Germany is currently tapping more phones, then DDR ever had. We do not have a PRISM scandal, but a law called Vorratsdatenspeicherung.

junto 5 hours ago 0 replies      
This story always disturbed me about the Stasi: http://theresagameinthat.blogspot.de/2011/06/stasi-scent-lib...
vacri 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Let's keep some perspective. The fear of the Stasi wasn't just 'are they tapping our phones?' If it was, they wouldn't have been so feared - just be careful on the phones. It was having a network of informants, such that you couldn't trust anyone, anywhere, that really caused the oppressive atmosphere. Americans are not living under the fear that if they mention something anti-government to a neighbour, they have a realistic chance of being carted off in the night.
rustynails 3 hours ago 0 replies      
My son just asked why the English are so bad "spying on Europeans". I reassured him by saying that most western governments are almost cetainly corrupt (inc dear old Australia).And he who controls the databases controls the politicians, police, lawyers, judges ... You get the idea.And even better, just because you've got nothing to hide, it's easy for these databases to be changed by someone in the know.These systems are extremely dangerous, and should not be underestimated.
qwertzlcoatl 54 minutes ago 0 replies      
Germans are referring to the States as Stasi 2.0.

The new and improved updated version of tyranny.

sentenza 4 hours ago 2 replies      
What I find suspiciously absent from the relevations so far is the DNA angle. If the STASI had had todays technology, they would have tapped all phones, stored all data, and collected DNA samples wherever they can. Assuming that all spy agencies think more or less alike on the issue of data gathering, why haven't we heard of the NSA collecting DNA samples?
TheCraiggers 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Good! I'm glad some people still remember history. Sadly, it looks like we're going to be doomed to repeat it rather we remember it or not.
andrewcooke 4 hours ago 0 replies      
love the framing in the title.

knowledge of death and disease colours doctors' views on healthy living

ferdo 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Not surprising. DHS hired an old Stasi hand and an old KGB hand as advisors under Dubya:


Rebuilding a simplified Firefox logo seanmartell.com
107 points by AaronMT  5 hours ago   70 comments top 30
ChrisNorstrom 3 hours ago 8 replies      
Downvote me to hell but I can't stand the new logo. It's the little things, the designer is on the right track, simplification is the right direction but...

The new 2013 logo is unbalanced & dull.

1) First it's extremely unbalanced, all the eye popping color, depth, & detail is in the tail with nearly no highlights on the left side of the logo.

2) The fur on the end of the tail is 3D, slightly wrapping itself around the globe. Why? Why simplify the whole logo and leave the tail with the same awful complexities as the previous 09-13 logo? The tails in the 04-05 and 05-09 are near perfection and more simple. The newer tails add unnecessary detail yet they were kept.

3) It's inconsistently flat. Usually flat coincides with simple, but the logo's complex outlines have actually been exaggerated while the coloring has been flattened and simplified. The fox's head and torso on the other hand were nicely simplified (aside from the little hairs added all over).

4) It's dull. What was once planet earth is now a dull blue ball with coffee stains.

5) The gradient of orange to yellow is too hard. The entire fox is orange then sharply turns to yellow after the tail starts. The gradient change in the 04-05 version is perfect. The new logo's gradient is harsh and too distracting.

6) Micro-details were added. Why? I thought this was about simplifying? Look at the fox's fur on it's back. There's little tiny hairs that have been added that weren't there in the 04-05 and 05-09 version. There's no reason for those to be there. When the logo is shrunk and viewed at it's normal size they won't even be visible, why not just remove them altogether. In fact the ears have added hairs as well.

It's easily salvageable and the designer was on the right track:

Just bright up planet earth, contrast the continents from the ocean more, remove the 3D-ness of the fox's tail, further simplify or remove the tail's inner fur spikes, and soften the gradient of orange to yellow that runs across the fox's body and get rid of those annoying hairs that one can only see when zoomed in 400%.

alanh 0 minutes ago 0 replies      
I am experiencing extreme design rage that they kept the way the blue globe shows through in ragged edges of the tail. Its pointless, distracting, and violent.
famousactress 56 minutes ago 0 replies      
I don't care about the new logo, or the old one... I just clicked the comments link to confirm what's at this point become pretty well documented on HN: all articles introducing new graphic designs of any kind will be hated.

Not that it's not justified, but I'd challenge anyone to pull up an example to the contrary. I'm sure someone can find one, and it'll probably somehow involve Stripe :)

anigbrowl 3 hours ago 2 replies      
And in 2-3 years there'll be another post 'explaining' how the 2013 logo was too dull or the gradients lacked dynamics or something, and there'll be another logo that's basically the same with marginal changes, because people basically can't resist the urge to tweak.

I appreciate that people get bored and design sensibilities change. But spare us the long-winded itemization of why this is 'objectively' better, when it's obviously a simple matter of taste.

Someone 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Interesting that they aim to have a single resolution-independent logo ("This tied into another goal of having the image hold up with greater clarity at smaller sizes" and "with high resolution displays in mind"), while traditionally, advice was to tweak icons to their display size and resolution. For example, https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/ipad/#documentation/... says "redraw art as you scale down" and "do not use the standard-resolution 32x32 icon as the 16x16@2 icon". Similarly, http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa51... says "Simply scaling down from the 256x256 size does not work" and "As an icon gets smaller, transparency and some special details found in larger sizes should be sacrificed in order to simplify and get the point across."

This isn't purely by technological choice ("we want a svg logo"), as one can somewhat build a svg where the level of detail varies depending on display size (http://timkadlec.com/2013/04/media-queries-within-svg/).

So it's either a deliberate "it's better that way" choice, or a "better one really good logo than a couple of less good ones", or they weren't aware of media queries, or they don't think them supported well enough.

archagon 4 hours ago 2 replies      
I started reading this article with a burning prejudice against overly nitpicky designers, but I have to say, each change here makes perfect sense and contributes to a more cohesive whole. Never thought Firefox of all places would be a good place to read about design. Great work!

In regards to the flatness and lack of detail that some people are complaining about: when I look at the Firefox icon in my taskbar, I don't parse it as a fox and a globe but rather as an abstract red/blue circle. The simplified design will make this easier to read -- much more in line with, for example, the Chrome logo.

kibwen 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I wish there was some more contrast on the continents, but otherwise I think it looks nice (and they finally fixed the arm!!).

However, given that one of the stated reasons for the change is "SVG compatibility", I'm surprised that there's no link to an SVG version. And the official Mozilla branding page doesn't seem to be updated yet:


NanoWar 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I hate this current "make it flat" movement. Ok, it's good so smoothen the logo a bit, the oval light on top wasn't super pretty, but the grade of details (in the fox!) were just about perfect.
jathu 4 minutes ago 0 replies      
wtf is up with the whole "flat" trend? first microsoft, then apple and now firefox. lack of depth does not look "good".
anonymfus 4 hours ago 1 reply      
This looks unbalanced. Right side has much more colours than left.
zipop 2 hours ago 0 replies      
It wasn't a good logo to begin with. Lets start there. It's trying too hard to be literal and fit into the blue round boundaries of most other browser logos. And I honestly don't know whether the tail is supposed to be stylized fire or not. The asymmetry and distracting hi lights bother me too. In order to evolve and mature a logo it has to be solid to begin with. Otherwise updating it just makes it fall apart.
simonz05 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Somehow I still prefer Jon Hicks original re-brand of the phoenix logo the best. That is the 2004-2005 version displayed in the article. See [1] for an earlier evolution write-up of the brand logo.


rkuykendall-com 3 hours ago 0 replies      
My browser didn't want to resize the page smaller than 25%, so I made this to visualize the logos at very small sizes:


pertinhower 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Am I alone in thinking that the 200509 logo is clearly the strongest image? I'd like to see the results of a poll. Designers can talk their way into all sorts of things; a bit of objective measurement of opinion would be interesting.
mehmehshoe 3 hours ago 2 replies      
The word simple must be the word for today. From the payment processor to arguments for and against simple coding..arrrgh. Do you want a simple logo? Do what USA Today did to their logo. Have a third grader spill blue paint.
malandrew 4 hours ago 0 replies      
It lost a lot of depth on the left hand side. Instead of looking like the back of a fox, it just looks like an amorphous shape with a tail. 2009-2013 was the best on the left hand side.
mkehrt 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Man, I always thought the FF logo was a good example of a complex logo that worked really well. The new one is a little too simple.
kepano 2 hours ago 0 replies      
This is mostly about the transition to SVG, not really a "brand evolution". The new logo is fine, not that much better or worse than any of the other variations shown. I don't get the hoopla.

I like what Wolff Olins did for Firefox OS and would love to see Mozilla take major new steps in that direction, with more radical changes to the logo (which frankly has always looked like a shrimp at favicon size): http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/mozilla_...

OGC 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Jerking it, Firefox edition. Nobody cares about the details as 99% of the users will look at this logo in a 16x16 or 32x32 px version.

Is it a fox hugging a globe? Is the fox red/orange? Yes? Is it somewhat detailed? Okay. _Good enough_.

da_n 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I have never really liked the Firefox logo much. I guess this is a decent compromise given what they've got, and looking at an example of what a completely flat Firefox logo would look like it just doesn't quite work, think this is a at least a step forward.


inthewind 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Never really been a fan of the Firefox logo. Why not go for a revolution? Just use the Red Panda as inspiration for something very cutsey and recognisable. Bin the current logo.

I like the idea of the ship's wheel in the navigator logo, and the compass in Safari. As for the other logos they don't do anything for me (oh alright, IceWeasel is quite a funny knock off, and Nightly's is boringly okay.)

will_brown 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Oddly, until reading this article I was always under the impression the Shepard Fairey created the Firefox logo...something seemed off redesigning the Firefox logo and not mentioning Shepard, so I looked into it and...

It turns out Shepard Fairey created the red "Mozilla.org logo and mascot" (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_%28mascot%29).

ronaldx 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I gather this is driven by SVG: an efficient use of a minimal number of bezier curves (quite literally, reticulating splines).

It would be a nice project to automatically recreate existing image files as efficient SVGs.

However, this procedure seems to make things look flat and textureless.

bsimpson 3 hours ago 0 replies      
For an article about how it is now SVG-compatible for improved display on retina-class screens, it sure does look crappy on my Chromebook Pixel.

Would have been nice if they used retina-quality assets in the announcement...

lucb1e 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Oh I thought it was a lazy designer that left out all the details in the Firefox logo. Never imagined it was actually a new logo. Didn't really notice it a lot though anyway, not sure you can even call this a new logo.
webwanderings 4 hours ago 2 replies      
I think it would be psychologically better if that Fox were to show his eyes.
byandyphillips 4 hours ago 1 reply      
"Simplifying a style doesnt always mean bringing it down to basic geometric shapes and solid colors."

Cough... cough... iOS7

badman_ting 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I guess they had it right the first time.
Dirlewanger 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Oh look, it's even more flat!

Just put the gun to its head and pull the trigger. Flat's all the rage man, why not kill another great logo with it!

brokenparser 3 hours ago 0 replies      

    Dear Firefox,        Please don't.        Sincerely,    the Internet

The IIT Entrance Exam priceonomics.com
82 points by hawkharris  4 hours ago   23 comments top 11
rurounijones 0 minutes ago 0 replies      
Think of the lost potential of the people who may still be the cream of the crop but just outside the 2%.

The logical part of me says that they should be building more of these academies (if they can without sacrificing quality).

pitchups 1 hour ago 1 reply      
As I was watching the Google I/O webcast last month, the one thing that struck me was how some of the most important products and services from arguably the most influential tech company of our times, were headed by IIT graduates:

Amit Singhal, a Google fellow, who heads their search team and essentially rewrote the critical ranking algorithm in 2001, and a graduate of IIT Roorkee [1];

Sundar Pichai, who heads Android, Chrome/Chrome OS, and Google Apps [2] - a graduate of IIT Kharagpur;

Vic Gundotra - who heads Google+ and social and is a graduate of IIT Bombay [3];

Nikesh Arora, who is Google's Chief Business Officer, a graduate of IIT Varanasi [4];

Sridhar Ramasway - SVP for Ads & Commerce - a graduate of IIT Madras [5], plus dozens of other key people.

(The latter two are listed on Google's management team page at : http://www.google.com/about/company/facts/management/ )

Not to make too fine a point about it - but IMHO Google is one example of the influence and impact of IITians on the world.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amit_Singhal

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Gundotra

[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikesh_Arora

[5] http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sridhar-ramaswamy/2/220/972

Edit: Formatting

teeboy 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Just an FYI, IITs are not the only Institutes of National Importance (INIs) in India. 30 campuses of National Institutes of Technology (NITs) are also in that bracket. NITs also have more than 10,000 alumni in Silicon Valley alone. Though IITs, justifiably, hog all the limelight and we don't like it one bit. :-)


iamshs 50 minutes ago 0 replies      
As an undergrad product of one of the IITs, and among one of the last ones to write a main exam back in 2005, this was a nice article to read and a bit too self aggrandizing. One of the most amazing things about being on IIT campus was the collaborative culture, and the drive to initiate collaboration. There was no sense of competitiveness on the campus, that was once prevalent while giving JEE. Being among bright kids, all in their developmental stage, seeing their personalities form, seeing them follow career paths after graduating is so temporally connecting. One of the best memories remain the usage of campus centric lingo [1]. I am in contact with every single of my classmate without use of any social network. The bonds formed on campuses are incredibly strong. The support of our seniors deserves prominent mention, be it in school years or after passing out...that worldwide meshed network. Unparalleled.

[1] - http://www.qucosa.de/fileadmin/data/qucosa/documents/5134/da...

akavi 3 hours ago 5 replies      
I'm unreasonably pleased that I was able to answer both the example questions.
Balgair 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I have been collaborating with 2 IIT grads, one Mumbai, one Calcutta. Holy cow, these guys are mot-ti-vated! They may not always be the inherent smartest guys, but man they can pack in the hours. I know that working smart is better than working hard but they sure as snot can work hard. Here in the US, I think we have an ok balance of the work and sports and school aspects. There in India, if your name gets published in the local newspaper next to your score, you can bet things look a bit different.

Not much to say, other than that those kids are gunning hard for a middle class life and legacy.

Schwolop 2 hours ago 0 replies      
For all the shit Quora gets on HN, it's probably the leading authority on the IIT system due to the enormous number of Indian members. See https://www.quora.com/Indian-Institutes-of-Technology/best_q... for some of the more interesting questions and answers.
casual_slacker 2 hours ago 1 reply      
It's so strange to be considered a "peer" to people who have spent years working harder than I can imagine at the same career path.
sc00ter 53 minutes ago 1 reply      
"six grueling hours of chemistry, physics, and math"

Otherwise known as three two-hour papers - hardly the stuff of legend! I'm not suggesting the papers are easy, just that by any measure, at this level the length is nothing remarkable.

tharshan09 2 hours ago 1 reply      
What a lot people may not know is that these universities release many of their lectures online on youtube. I have watched some in the past to catch up with missing notes and it was helpful.Edit --Link - http://www.youtube.com/iit
kamakazizuru 2 hours ago 0 replies      
fascinating subject - but the article was blaringly badly written!
Propeller Gets $1.25m From A16Z, ffAngel, Levchin, Rabois techcrunch.com
16 points by mertdumenci  1 hour ago   3 comments top 3
sbuccini 26 minutes ago 0 replies      
I think this company is going to explode. Smartphone usage is becoming more and more ubiquitous, but a lot of organizations simply don't have the funds or the expertise to convert their old website into a responsive one, or make a native mobile app.

I just think back to my time in the Boy Scouts. We used to print out a sheet for every Scout every other meeting, showing them what requirements they had completed and which ones they still needed to advance to the next rank. We finally re-did our old, single page website into a more full-featured application. Scouts could now see the troop roster online, check requirements, access knowledge banks with packing lists, and more.

But no one brings computers to the meetings, and the site is just too complex to navigate on your smartphone. Propeller would be the perfect tool for them, because many of the Scouts have a smartphone and bring it to each meeting, and would be able to access the information just when they needed it the most.

I'm sure you all know of organizations like the one I just described. But do you know any mobile developers who are interested in helping them? The money just isn't there. The glamour isn't there. But these apps still need to be built. THAT'S why I think Propeller will sine.

MWil 55 minutes ago 0 replies      
I did not know Ashton Kutcher was a tech investor. Color me tickled.
cstigler 48 minutes ago 0 replies      
Propeller is so cool!
Voyager 1 Discovers Bizarre and Baffling Region at Edge of Solar System wired.com
97 points by lobo_tuerto  5 hours ago   34 comments top 10
51Cards 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Im convinced that nature is far more imaginative than we are." - Stamatios Krimigis

Love that quote.

TallGuyShort 4 hours ago 4 replies      
It's been announced that Voyager 1 has left the solar system so many times, I didn't expect to read an article that said Voyager 1 hadn't even left the solar system at all yet!
Arnor 3 hours ago 3 replies      
I'm amazed that Voyager is still sending us data. It had to travel a a bajillion (+/- 100) km and not get blasted by some flying scrap of rock. It's components had to withstand every form of radiation our solar system has to offer, and the signals themselves had to make it all the way back to Earth without degrading beyond use. Wow!

Still, I'm worried that the tools of the 80s are not going to be sufficient to provide the details we'd need to understand what happens at the edge of the solar system.

For my part, I hope that we find some of those hidden dimensions, and it turns up on the other side of the solar system in a couple weeks.

obviouslygreen 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Hopefully they have plenty of checks and tests to make sure this isn't the case, but having no knowledge of the details and simply reading this article, my thoughts at several points ran to "conspicuous instrumentation failure."

Granted, it's totally reasonable that we should either not know what to expect or simply expect the wrong thing, having never been out that far. I just can't help wondering how much we can do to confirm what's being reported is based on valid readings (and, of course, whether that confirmation is being done before the PR people send it out into the media microcosm).

julianpye 5 hours ago 2 replies      
Reports about Voyager at the edge of our solar system always remind me about the Truman Show, when Truman hits the set's walls...
davidw 3 hours ago 2 replies      
> The sun produces a plasma of charged particles called the solar wind, which get blown supersonically from its atmosphere at more than 1 million km/h.

On earth, that'd be 'supersonic', by a "slim margin". But what's that even mean in space?

ars 1 hour ago 2 replies      
"The models that have been thought to predict what should happen are all incorrect"

A bit off topic, but that's why you should never ever draw conclusions from models.

Use a model to guide research (i.e. tell you where to look), but never consider the model as an answer.

I see far too many papers published based on models. This should not be accepted, this is not science.

It doesn't matter if the model is the only available thing. If you have no other way of getting information then you must admit defeat (hopefully temporary), but never give in and start believing your models.

dmckeon 3 hours ago 0 replies      
My takeaway from this article was: measurements do not matchtheoretical model, researchers await more measurements, a moreaccurate model, or both.

tl;dr: Science, people!

natch 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Seems perfectly explained by the fact that the craft has just exited a huge "balloon" (it's a metaphor, for any nitpickers) formed by the solar wind. The lack of intergalactic particles from the sunward direction could be simply because the craft is in the balloon's shadow.
quux 4 hours ago 0 replies      
They should have gone with "perverse and often baffling" for their headline.
MasterCard's Simplify Commerce simplify.com
103 points by sachinag  5 hours ago   86 comments top 25
greghinch 4 hours ago 3 replies      
To play diplomat, I see a lot of Stripe loyalty / Mastercard hate already brewing here, and I think that's a bit unwarranted. Stripe has certainly earned their place as a cherished service, but I would venture to bet a lot of devs worked quite hard on Simplify as well, so it'd be nice to see discussion on the merits of the offering rather than preconceived notions of the provider.

If nothing else, even if 0.05% isn't much, I'm happy to see if they can start a bit of a pricing war here. If it drives payment costs down across the board, all the better.

mattparcher 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Something that caught my eye: the name "Simplify" is pretty close to "Simple", the online bank service.

Different products entirely, I realizebut heck, Simples twitter handle is even @simplify.

pvnick 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I wouldn't trust anything that comes from Mastercard or Visa directly. I would much rather have the companies' idiosyncrasies and politics abstracted through a 3rd-party service like stripe or balanced. That's just my kneejerk reaction, take it or leave it.
kawera 2 hours ago 2 replies      
At this time, however, the merchant must be a U.S. business

Oh well...

kephra 27 minutes ago 0 replies      
Its still stupid credit cards.

Most eCommerce sites have a profit margin of less then 10%, often around 5%. Charging 2.85% + $0.30 kills most business ideas.

zt 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I find this to be a really interesting business decision for MasterCard. MasterCard cannot offer this service directly on their information systems because of there own rules and the antitrust consent decree.

So what have they done? They've built a wrapper around Priority Payments Services, an independent sales organization of Wells Fargo. (For reference, Stripe is also an ISO of Wells Fargo Merchant Services).

Which is all a long way of saying that MasterCard went pretty far out of there way to build this system. They must really see value in selling directly to merchant developers.

There is another possible story here: maybe the ISO wanted to compete with Stripe, they built the system and site, and asked MasterCard for their branding.

joelrunyon 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Jumping on this thread for a flyer.

Any stripe devs know if it's possible to integrate with infusionsoft.com? That integration would make me so, so happy.

tlrobinson 1 hour ago 0 replies      
BTW MasterCard has a whole bunch of other interesting APIs available: https://developer.mastercard.com/portal/display/api/API
diggan 4 hours ago 1 reply      
As usual, there is no information at all on which countries that is supported, I guess this is only supported in USA. Maybe I'm the only one outside of America...

Edit: Yeah, after registering, confirming my email and trying to apply for a full account, I know that it's only for America. Sigh...

sachinag 5 hours ago 2 replies      
Complete competitor to Stripe and Balanced and Braintree.js. Just a teeny bit underneath pricing for all - 2.85% versus 2.90%.
rudros 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Check out https://www.simplify.com// the double slash ending is important).
jusben1369 4 hours ago 0 replies      
0.05% is a tiny amount. This is the first shot though across the bow on lowering the transactional rates set by Stripe, Braintree etc.
jackbravo 3 hours ago 0 replies      
If MasterCard can create an international version of this product before Stripe, then this will be big.
aquark 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I'd like to see one of these 'API friendly' companies compete more in the physical space to.

Basically something equivalent to Square with a Stripe-like API and lower rates for swiped transactions.

jusben1369 4 hours ago 1 reply      
"Sign up and develop. When you're ready to go live, tell us a little about your business."

It's actually more of a "PayMill" model than a Stripe model. So they allow you to begin development but they don't actually promise immediate on-boarding.

kylelibra 4 hours ago 1 reply      
The entrenched payment companies are definitely scared of competition, but by launching clones of their competitors they show they still don't get it.
gesman 3 hours ago 0 replies      
It is only supported in USA. I'm in Canada.Next please ...
angersock 4 hours ago 2 replies      
Jesus, this looks kind of like a desperate in-house hackathon product pushed live before the execs could kill it.

(Props to the development team! You still need better docs though. :( )

larkarvin 1 hour ago 0 replies      
This is cool, but much cooler if they will support businesses outside US. it seems i'm stuck with paypal and Payment gateway in the Philippines are way too pricey for our business
eightyone 4 hours ago 0 replies      
"Deposits are made into your account in two business days in most cases."

This is awful copywriting. There's not even an asterisk with more information or anything.

levosmetalo 4 hours ago 0 replies      
dutchbrit 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Do they also accept Maestro debit cards?
NKCSS 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Can't find anything about chargebacks, wonder if they are free :
mehulkar 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Seems identical to stripe?
alphamale3000 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Yes! We'll save 0.05%! That's 500$ for every million in sales. You must have huge sales to justify a switch.
Lorem Ipsum translated by Google translate.google.ca
264 points by lemieux  9 hours ago   61 comments top 25
agnokapathetic 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Google Translate uses statistical machine translation [1] seeded from a gigantic automatically curated parallel corpus of similar documents.

As"lorem ipsum" is a typographic placeholder, the filled in version appears appears to have the same document structure (HTML) and would therefore be statistically likely candidates as translatable pairs.

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_PzPDRPwlA

JonnieCache 8 hours ago 0 replies      
It's obviously been crawling support tickets/emails with people complaining about non-forthcoming copy:

    How long before any meaningful development.    Until mandatory functional requirements to developers.
We've all been there in one form or another. Those of us that do client work anyway.

hawkharris 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I never knew Google had a "Translate to Allen Ginsberg" option.
bbx 9 hours ago 2 replies      
Oddly, "Vestibulum ante ipsum primis" translates to "Cisco Security", although taking each word separately translates to "Manufacturing before football first". I don't remember much about my Latin year but if each word has a different meaning depending upon what other word it's combined to, the possibilities are endless.
makmanalp 9 hours ago 2 replies      
I was going to jump in and suggest that google's statistical translation methods were being thrown off by lipsum being used in so many strange contexts, but it turns out "Lorem Ipsum" is a mangled nonsensical version of the original text:


kps 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I commented [1] in a previous version of this [2] that you get amusing character-by-character changes typing into the text box by hand. The results are slightly different today.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5201472

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5200728

Apocryphon 1 hour ago 0 replies      
"We will be sure to post a comment." I thought that was a sign that this was an intentionally unserious translation that an engineer snuck in as an Easter Egg. Though it's a bit more absurdist than Google's usual brand of humor.
ruswick 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This sort of incoherence really isn't unexpected, considering that Lorem Ipsum is not a piece of coherent text, but rather a series of sentence fragments and even fragments of words.


chrisbuc 3 hours ago 0 replies      
The "Alpha" mouseover notes of the Latin translator

   "This language is still in early stages of development..."  
Really? I thought it had been around for a while... :)

diiq 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I think the corpus of latin/english translations is not large enough, because the translation of even the basest schoolboy latin seems mangled; different declensions of the same word get different translations. 'Ancilla' [female slave, I was taught] is translated: maid, handmaiden, women, and ancillary, depending on declension?
delinka 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I can't decide if this is a result of Google's use of statistical machine translation, or an Easter Egg.
josscrowcroft 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Oh God I really hope people start using this in place of Lorem Ipsum.
jwarren 3 hours ago 2 replies      
Lorem ipsum is frequently misrepresented as nonsense text. It's not actually the case: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2290/what-does-the-...
TurplePurtle 4 hours ago 0 replies      

    Funny lion always feasible, innovative policies hatred assured.
Seems like commentary on the fall of ancient reddit.

aasarava 9 hours ago 5 replies      
In case you're interested in learning more, or just having a quick lorem ipsum generator: http://lipsum.com
b0rsuk 8 hours ago 2 replies      
This is a wonderful "correct horse battery staple" password generator !!
jdmitch 8 hours ago 1 reply      
Surely there has been some manipulating of the search results (this non-standard version of) Lorem Ipsum to get those results form google translate. A more standard Lorem Ipsum text comes up with a pretty standard translation (it actually seems to revert to the original Ciceronian text which it is based on).
stackcollision 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I wonder if this is how they came up with the dialog for the Hybrids in Battlestar Galactica.
tenpoundhammer 7 hours ago 1 reply      
The best part, "Information that is no corporate Japan."
tomp 8 hours ago 2 replies      
Also, please note that "lorem" is translated as "China", and "ipsum" is translated as "footbal". At least for me.
kamakazizuru 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I wonder why Cisco Security is in there?
paxtonab 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This almost sent me furiously scrambling for my high school Latin text book. Almost...
Simple1234 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Innovative policies, hatred assured.
tomphoolery 6 hours ago 0 replies      
The English translation is way better. :P
dhruvtv 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Nailed it.
Go read: fast Google Reader clone in AngularJS with Go on App Engine mattjibson.com
197 points by mjibson  8 hours ago   80 comments top 35
davidjohnstone 7 hours ago 2 replies      
The funny thing about feed readers is that we actually only care about the UI, not the underlying feed fetching and parsing and whatever else happens on the server.

So, when I made my feed reader this has got to be the most popular pastime of the last few months around here I ended up taking the lazy approach and made a UI that sat on top of the NewsBlur API. Thus, I now have a NewsBlur account, all the messy date parsing and everything else gets done on NewsBlur's servers, and I access it through my own much prettier interface that works just how I want it to work (http://www.altfeedreader.com). For anybody still thinking about making a feed reader, I definitely recommend this approach.

mtgx 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I actually like it, even though it seems to have fewer bells and whistles than Feedly, but I think it's even a bit faster, which is surprising, since most of the others readers I've tried have been slower than feedly.
arms 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Thank you for open sourcing this. I've been itching to dive into some production ready Go code, and I've got a lot of interest in Angular.
webwanderings 7 hours ago 3 replies      
Looks good and simple. But I am still sticking with InoReader. Even though Feed readers should be simple but they should still provide enough bells and whistles for the people to adjust settings (look and feel) according to their own taste and not the taste of the developer. Below I see a comment which suggest that you only prefer to use Google to sign in. Well, most people won't agree and they'd rather you provide your own sign on system. In any case, the same logic works for UI adjustments etc. For all these reasons, InoReader by far is the closest you can get to Google Reader replacement.

PS: I have only recently discovered InoReader and I have no stake in it but I have been playing with many RSS readers as I am a long time RSS user of GR.

mseepgood 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Wow, this is great! Login with Google account, import data from Google Reader worked seamlessly, clean UI. Thanks!
bsaul 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Not a Google Reader user (i used iGoogle until they discontinued it on smartphones...), but it's really a great site, congrats. I'll probably go get a look at the source since i'm an angular and app engine user (and not really serious with go...yet).

One small question : is there a reason why you need to go to the top right menu to add a new stream, instead of just a "+" at the bottom of the left pane list of feed ? Is that what google reader required ?

drivebyacct2 6 hours ago 1 reply      
> The number of date formats we encountered is comical (so much so that I started a blog to document them). At current count, there are around 60 date formats Ive seen.

Ha! Is that really not in the spec for Atom/RSS/RDF?

swdunlop 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Very nice.. I've wanted a nontrivial example of a Go webapp -- the ones I write are strictly JSON API's that lurk behind our presentation UI.

You can see the actual dependencies used by hitting godoc.org:


mseepgood 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I would like to have a marker on the left pane to see which feed is selected.
joeblau 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Would there be a problem if Google just open sourced it's previous platform? They could open source the project and lots of developers could put their own take on the platform. It's probably simple to install on GAE (which they can monetize) and they wouldn't have to maintain the reader.
mrcasual 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Fast and simple, which is good, but it took me less than a minute to look at it and move on. Some of the key reasons:

* Impossible to reorder feeds on the fly just like in Google Reader. That's the #1 must-have feature for me.

* Inability to tag/label stories AND feeds.

* No integration with Instapaper and sharing services.

* Inability to star/like stories.

I couldn't care less about shortcuts and responsive design. Google made it easy to organize feeds and share/archive/search stories. That's what others have been unable to replicate so far.

Good luck! :)

6cxs2hd6 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Clean, fast. I like.

But I miss some shortcut keys. Especially SHIFT+J and +K to navigate among feeds. (Bonus points if you do it the GReader way -- keep moving the highlight among feeds until J or K is released, and only then refresh to show that last one as the new feed).

human_error 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Is this how Google Reader used to look like? I'm asking this because UI is very similar to CommaFeed (https://www.commafeed.com/)
nsns 7 hours ago 2 replies      
Isn't the main lesson from Google Reader's being discontinued, not about UI or features, but rather about continued support? The main "feature" for a new reader should be it's ability and commitment to remain viable for the long term.
fudged71 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Hell yes! This is just what I needed. The other ones had strange UIs or were too slow for me. This was basically just as good as Google Reader!
liyanage 7 hours ago 1 reply      
I tried it, looks nice and works well.

One feature I miss from Google Reader is the ability to hide feeds that have no unread items from the sidebar completely.

codereflection 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Looking through your commit history, looks like you've been working very hard on Go read since you started in March. It looks and feels fantastic.

Thank you for going OSS with this project!

xbpx 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Good work on the UI - it has that clean responsive feel I really enjoyed about Google Reader. It took about 90 seconds for my 200 or so feeds to transfer from Goog. This is during the period this article is trending on HN - that is about an hour faster than Feedly managed when it was under load.

I just logged in with my two year old Samsung Nexus and it ground to a halt and took down Chrome. Hopefully the mobile experience is given a high priority - more and more of my feed consumption is doen mobile.

Overall Great work!

xbpx 7 hours ago 1 reply      
If Reader parity is the goal then there seems to be a feature bug. Audio feeds like the New Yorker Comment Podcast and Science Magazine Podcast do not have audio elements in the feed. Though clicking on the title does bring up a download dialogue for the media file. Is this a feature that will be implemented in the near future? G-Reader was a great podcast tool.
stevewilber 5 hours ago 0 replies      
This is perfect. It was incredibly easy to move over from Google Reader.

If you decide to run some simple ads, I would be happy to pay for an ad-free version. I'd say this has potential to do a lot more than just pay for itself.

errnoh 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Thank you.

I've tried bunch of possible candidates to replace Reader and this is the first one that actually feels responsive enough for daily use.

And the fact that it's open source and written in Go is just icing on the cake.

mythz 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Fast, clean and Simple with keyboard shortcuts - nice alternative to the other Reader replacements out there.
lnmx 6 hours ago 2 replies      
I checked out the source; what's the trick for getting the dependencies into the tree?

"go get" is not supported in appengine [1], and if I manually check out individual projects, I end up with extra code that will not compile in the appengine environment.

[1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/golang-nuts/8BJ0fxrWZd4/PXyI...

xweb 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Love it! Signed up immediately, imported my Google Reader no problem, and so far very quick in use. I've tried a couple others over the last few months but this is, by far, my favorite. Bookmarked.
fdb 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Looks great. One remark: links should really open in a new window (target=_blank).
heywire 5 hours ago 2 replies      
Am I really the only one who still goes to all of my favorite sites to read articles rather than having them in a feed? I had tried several times to see what all the fuss was about with Google Reader, and I just didn't get the enjoyment out of the presentation there compared to the sites themselves.
_nb 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Great work! I think this might finally be the one (and not a moment too soon!)

Is there any way to categorize new feeds? It imported my previous categories/folders just fine, but I don't see any to move new feeds to categories/folders.

Glench 7 hours ago 1 reply      
You know, of all the google reader clones, I haven't seen any implement my favorite feature, which is the 'gu' keyboard shortcut to start typing a feed name and 'enter' to go to that feed. Anyone know of readers that have this feature? Bonus points if it's a fuzzy search instead of an exact search.
1st1 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Awesome, finally I'm not so scared of July 1st. Would be great if posts were marked as read on scrolling, without the need to click on them or hit the "space".
mjibson 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm seeing errors from users with giant feeds. I'll try to fix those within a day.
o0-0o 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Maybe I humbly suggest, or be pointed to the search function in this product?
percentcer 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Am I the only person who uses g-u? It's been notoriously absent from almost all these "revival readers" I've tried, save feedly.
roldie 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Nice. Very fast. Can't wait for sort by oldest first and ability to star/import starred items.
smmnyc 7 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm wondering what your experience was like with AngularJS? Pleasant or difficult? This seems like a perfect app for it. Congrats!
trebor 8 hours ago 2 replies      
I would use it if I didn't have to use a Google Account to sign in. Why not Mozilla Persona?
Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11 thenextweb.com
155 points by mindstab  7 hours ago   98 comments top 21
mtgx 6 hours ago 2 replies      
The "good news" is that they are using web crypto, and knowing how many will try to crack Netflix's streaming now, this means the developers behind web crypto will be getting a lot of feedback and "bugs" to fix, and eventually make web crypto stronger, and maybe some day we can finally use it for e-mail and storage services.
isomorphic 7 hours ago 4 replies      
Quoting Netflix, from the article:

  We expect premium video on the web to continue to shift away from using proprietary plugin technologies to using these new Premium Video Extensions.
Quoting the article:

  According to Netflix, Microsoft made this possible by implementing three features in its still-unfinished IE11:  The Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) using Microsoft PlayReady DRM.
Netflix is using some doublespeak here. Yes, Silverlight was a "proprietary plugin", but they've just shifted to using proprietary DRM with proprietary extensions to HTML5. They got rid of the plugin--great! But they've replaced one proprietary experience with another.

fatjokes 7 hours ago 4 replies      
Thank god. I hate Silverlight. It's so resource intensive.

EDIT: I just felt like ranting against Silverlight some more. The only reason I use Silverlight is because of Netflix. I run it in Chrome on my Mac Air. Besides being buggy and resource hungry, it also doesn't stop my Mac from dimming even when watching a video in fullscreen, unlike YouTube videos, etc. (Could this be because it doesn't use the graphics card?) I watched a movie on it the other day and the audio/video kept going out of sync due to lag (not a network problem) and I had to reload the page every 5 minutes. Aaargh! Death to Silverlight!

ebbv 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Nice Frank Lutz-ian reterming of HTML5 video DRM extensions as "premium extensions".
driverdan 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Here's the EFF's formal objection to including DRM in HTML specs: https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg
Zikes 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Netflix will be taking advantage of EMEs for HTML5 DRM in IE11.

Microsoft has not confirmed IE11 will be supported in any OS other than Windows 8.1.

Older versions of IE, including IE10 on Windows 7, will still require Silverlight, meaning it still will not die.

If this is to be a nail in Silverlight's coffin, it's a very tiny one.

Edit: Per freehunter's comment below, Microsoft has confirmed eventual IE11 support for Windows 7.

kevincrane 7 hours ago 2 replies      
Are "Premium Media Extensions" also plugins? Because if so this didn't really get much better. It still means Linux users could be on the backburner until someone decides we can watch too. Until Mozilla and Google are on board this doesn't necessarily seem better from a "universally available" standpoint.
codereflection 6 hours ago 3 replies      
This is interesting. Google still hasn't completely converted over to HTML5 video for YouTube. You've been able to opt in to the trial for years now (http://www.youtube.com/html5). But it seems that more than half the videos I watch are still using the crappy old Flash player.

Content wise, YouTube has way more content to convert to be able to take advantage of HTML5. I wonder if Netflix is having to convert video on the backend for this as well. Or if they're just using a base format that allows for delivery over Silverlight and HTML5 without having to re-encode and store. But they wouldn't really be re-encoding on the fly though, would they? That would seem to be hugely resource intensive. Does anyone know more about how they're doing this on the backend?

wamatt 7 hours ago 0 replies      
The ideological debate is potentially interesting: Does DRM belong in HTML5?

(and yes, it's hard not to view the Netflix/MS situation cynically)

That said, ditching that godawful Silverlight plugin, is probably a welcome change from the customer experience perspective.

mindstab 7 hours ago 4 replies      
And so in a small part the MSIE team is back to "creating" new "standards" for the web because they were the first on board so the get more input to the final product. I hate to say it (in part because I'm not 100% sold on web DRM, tho netflix on Linux will be nice...) but by being sticks in the mud over the issue Google and Mozilla are now going to be following IE's lead for probably the first time in a while
jebblue 54 minutes ago 0 replies      
This works great on Linux, this is true HTML5 support (or they say it's HTML5 - and it works):


mortenjorck 7 hours ago 2 replies      
Am I the only one who, given the vast proliferation of mobile and TV-connected devices with Netflix clients over the past few years, can't even remember the last time they used the Silverlight app to stream something?
dave1010uk 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Can we stop calling video that uses extensions "HTML5 video" (even if it may be part of the HTML spec)? I suggest we call it "EME video".
jdangu 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Incidentally, that puts another nail in the coffin for Adobe Flash, which is still widely used for DRM'd video streaming.
ck2 4 hours ago 1 reply      
This means netflix might finally come to the raspberry pi!

Far more exciting than IE11

jebblue 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Can you say you are supporting HTML5 if you just get in bed with Microsoft?
bsg75 7 hours ago 2 replies      
What does this mean for anything not running IE11?
shmerl 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Netflix was and remains DRMed, which is enough of a reason to avoid them.
tomphoolery 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Nice!! I've been holding out on downloading a new version of Silverlight because I heard this was just around the corner. Now I get to uninstall the last MS product on my machine!
lupinglade 6 hours ago 0 replies      
About time. Now if they only added some good movies...
downrightmike 3 hours ago 0 replies      
About effing time
Cap'n Proto beta release 0.1 is ready for Real Work kentonv.github.io
78 points by kentonv  5 hours ago   14 comments top 5
vosper 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Link to the previous discussion on HN in April:


Great to see this project is moving forward, can you comment on whether (and which of) the criticisms and suggestions from the original HN discussion have been integrated or have influenced development for this release?

DannoHung 2 hours ago 1 reply      
With respect to how imports and the dynamic API: When/If you do get around to implementing the parser in C++, Could you consider making the import statement relative to the path of the file that is currently being dynamically imported? In the Protocol Buffer runtime, it's relative to the path of the top level file being imported which makes sub-files have to know about the path they're located at in order to import anything else.
ocharles 56 minutes ago 0 replies      
Now I'm just eagerly waiting a Haskell and Perl library. Suppose that means I should get off my lazy ass and start contributing!
RyanZAG 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Can anybody explain how/why this type of data transfer is secure? By the sound of it, the main benefit is that we can just read a large file by using mmap on it. Are there not a lot of security considerations to doing that...? Especially when feeding this through into dynamic languages like Python.
jcarden 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Internet Credit Union iafcu.org
13 points by ctoth  1 hour ago   4 comments top 4
jareds 11 minutes ago 0 replies      
I was interested until I couldn't easily find the interest rate for a savings account. I like having a physical branch with in walking distance, but iff you could give me an extra percent on a savings account that is accessed infrequently I'd probably go for it.
jpdoctor 10 minutes ago 0 replies      
Preemptive answer to a question that should get asked: NCUA is the equivalent of FDIC for credit unions.
nthitz 12 minutes ago 0 replies      
I have serious apprehension about trusting a banking service labeled as "Beta"
VandyILL 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Interesting idea, but without a physical locatiin I wonder if they'll be able to compete with the online products people would expect from an online bank.

Also, usually credit unions are linked to a small commub you etc & help finance things in that community. Is there going to be a specific focus for this bank?

Introducing Heroku Fork heroku.com
120 points by Lightning  8 hours ago   22 comments top 9
bgentry 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Fun fact: `heroku fork` is implemented entirely in the CLI client using pre-existing APIs: https://github.com/heroku/heroku/blob/master/lib/heroku/comm...

If you wanted to build something like this, you could do so without any involvement from us by just using the (newly-documented) Heroku Platform API: https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/platform-api-reference

sergiotapia 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Suddenly setting up a staging environment doesn't suck.
lquist 7 hours ago 2 replies      
Looks great! Unfortunately after the RapGenius fiasco, I don't trust Heroku as a service provider.
tomphoolery 6 hours ago 2 replies      
Fuck you, Heroku!

I made something similar to this for Diaspora: https://bitbucket.org/tubbo/replicator

Guess it's not needed anymore! :) Incidentally, if you for some reason want to bake this functionality into an existing gem, it may be easier to use Replicator's library than the Heroku API, since I had to read their source to understand how it all worked. That is, if for some reason you don't want to drop down to the command line and run `heroku fork` from Ruby.

cicloid 7 hours ago 1 reply      
trashes old automation scripts

Finally it came out of beta... Probably one of the best features for a sane development workflow.

fleaflicker 6 hours ago 3 replies      
Copies the source app's Heroku Postgres data, if present.

Won't that take a prohibitively long time for large apps?

trevorhartman 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Imagine how easy-to-use AWS would be if AMZ had anywhere close to the level of focus on usability that Heroku consistently demonstrates.
chameco 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Now if only Github added Heroku integration, so you could fork apps AND code straight from the repo.
codebeaker 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Is this really HN worthy? It must be a pretty easy feature to implement with their slug/container workflow. With technologies such as Docker pushing them, Heroku ought to find a way to lower their prices. This at least adds value, but no magic here.
The Strange Case of Barrett Brown thenation.com
563 points by dlss  17 hours ago   138 comments top 26
mtgx 16 hours ago 5 replies      
There may be an argument for life in prison, or even execution, for people that are so dangerous that they should never be allowed in the society again. But either give life, or put a cap on prison sentences at say 25 years, total, like it's in many other countries.

This idea of "adding" sentences is ridiculous, and my guess is it's only (ab)used as a way to force people into agreeing to declare themselves guilty, and the prosecutors going "easy on them" and only asking for 30 years in prison, instead of 100, if they win.

That's not justice and people should be opposing this. I think it was on The Daily Show where a guest talked about a documentary called Gideon's Army where they're talking exactly about this issue, and how prosecutors are forcing 90% of the people arrested to admit guilt this way, before they even get a trial. So 90% go to prison without a trial!

It also must be very convenient that the US law is so complex now, and has gotten to the point where everyone can be incriminated with something, so basically the prosecutors can threaten just about anyone with at least a charge or two, if they want to. They must be BS charges, but lucky for them they manage to convince those people to agree with a "lesser punishment" before there even is a trial. I'm sure the private prison system and their lobbying plays a big role in this, too. It's self sustaining corrupt system.

Confusion 13 hours ago 3 replies      
What really gets to me in this story is that the mother is being prosecuted for 'obstructing execution of a search warrant', by -- allegedly -- helping her son hide a laptop. That's just cold, heartless fascism. In a decent country they would question her and leave it at that. Idem if it was a father, brother or a random friend, with otherwise no criminal record, no chance for recidivism and no other part in the crime being investigated. The government and the police should be here to protect us. You aren't protecting anyone by marking this woman a criminal and you are actively failing to protect her.
argumentum 15 hours ago 3 replies      
Were I to hazard a guess, I'd say I was better informed than 95% of my fellow US Citizens. Yet though I'd heard of the HBGary incident, the fact that a journalist reporting about it was facing a criminal inquiry completely escaped my radar.

Perhaps this is a reflection on my own ignorance, but if so I fear it's a worse reflection on the ignorance of the average well-informed citizen.

It goes beyond saying that any sentence counted in "years" for making an online threat against an individual is beyond ridiculous, and clearly sought for politics and in this case for the purposes of retribution and precedent .. don't you dare oppose the FBI or we will destroy you.

I can't exactly express why, but having an administration with such an attitude (that of a bully) makes me sick. Sick to the point that I would sacrifice all common ground I may have had with them in order to kick them out of office.

cinquemb 16 hours ago 1 reply      
There's a link in here to Endgame Systems here that's dead [0].

Read a bit, then checked the wiki on them :"The Endgame Board of Directors is led by Christopher Darby, President and CEO of In-Q-Tel, an independent strategic investment firm supporting the missions of the intelligence community. Endgame announced in March 2013 that Kenneth Minihan, former Director of the National Security Agency and Managing Director at Paladin, had also joined its Board of Directors."[1]

And from the piece:

"While the media and much of the world have been understandably outraged by the revelation of the NSAs spying programs, Barrett Browns work was pointing to a much deeper problem. It isnt the sort of problem that can be fixed by trying to tweak a few laws or by removing a few prosecutors. The problem is not with bad laws or bad prosecutors. What the case of Barrett Brown has exposed is that we confronting a different problem altogether. It is a systemic problem. It is the failure of the rule of law."

And back to Obama's check list of questions during his speech weeks ago about the conditions that "were going to have some problems here" [2]:

Do we trust the Executive Branch?Do we trust Congress?Do we trust what is called "due process and rule of law"?




kevingadd 16 hours ago 0 replies      
The great thing about our legal system: the government's actions don't have to be legal, just extreme enough to kill, make homeless and/or drive insane the victims before cases wind their way through the courts. So convenient!
socillion 16 hours ago 2 replies      
Obviously, all charges are alleged.

* 20 years for charges stemming from going off the deep end and making threats directed at an FBI Special Agent.


* 20 years for hiding two laptops and deleting evidence after being served a warrant.


As mentioned in the article, his mother pled guilty to helping him hide the laptops.


* 15 years for copying and pasting a hyperlink to a document that contained credit card info for at least 5,000 people, and 30 years for possession of stolen credit card numbers and CVVs.


I only see 85 years, I'm curious how the author obtained the number of 105 years.

> Considering that the person who carried out the actual Stratfor hack had several priors and is facing a maximum of ten years, the inescapable conclusion is that the problem is not with the hack itself but with Browns journalism.

He was facing 30 to life in prison [1], and had that reduced to 10 years after pleading guilty. Barret Brown has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

> The Stratfor data included a number of unencrypted credit card numbers and validation codes. On this basis, the DOJ accused Brown of credit card fraud for having shared that link with the editorial board of ProjectPM.

"Editorial board" here is referring to a public IRC channel. Elsewhere it is stated that it is a private IRC channel, but it appears to be posted publicly on a Pastebin dated May 2011 so that seems a doubtful claim. [2]

I hate seeing so many obvious mistakes in a piece as biased as this, since it forces the reader to cross reference everything. It's particularly amusing given the constant interstitials asking for donations to support this journalism.

1. http://rt.com/usa/anonymous-stratfor-hammond-judge-440/

2. http://pastebin.com/QNuXwRTn

danboarder 16 hours ago 1 reply      
He and other journalists were analyzing documents from the Stratfor leak, and he had a copy of these on his laptop. His purpose was journalism, yet the FBI went after him for incidental data:

"The Stratfor data included a number of unencrypted credit card numbers and validation codes. On this basis, the DOJ accused Brown of credit card fraud for having shared that link with the editorial board of ProjectPM. Specifically, the FBI charged him with traffic in stolen authentication features, access device fraud and aggravated identity theft, as well as an obstruction of justice charge (for being at his mothers when the initial warrant was served) and charges stemming from his threats against the FBI agent. All told, Brown is looking at century of jail time: 105 years in federal prison if served sequentially. He has been denied bail."

quackerhacker 15 hours ago 1 reply      
To turn up the heat on Brown, the FBI initiated charges against his mother...made Brown snap.

I could relate to Brown here. FBI or SS would tail me when I was on pretrial, I'd hear awkward clicking on my phone, and I'd have severe anxiety attacks. Just recently, my paranoia back then has been confirmed with the PRISM leaks.

Political journalism is dangerous (I think anything in politics is risky though). I give Brown and Hastings a huge huge huge amount of respect to pursue the truth and uphold their own moral beliefs.

DanBC 15 hours ago 2 replies      
So this author and journalist should have had

i) full disc encryption

ii) encrypted communication

iii) anonymous communication

iv) anonymous and encrypted dealings with a publisher

v) anonymous payment from that publisher

That's not someone writing about corrupt government in an oppressive regime, that's someone living in the US writing about US companies and government.

Hackers and designers should probably spend a little bit of time making anonymity and encryption easier to use.

ajays 10 hours ago 1 reply      
FTA: "One cant help but infer that the US Department of Justice has become just another security contractor, working [...] on behalf of corporate bidders, with no sense at all for the justness of their actions; they are working to protect corporations and private security contractors and give them license to engage in disinformation campaigns against ordinary citizens and their advocacy groups."

It's happening all over the country. For example: the guy who faces 13 years in prison for drawing in chalk outside a Bank of America branch: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jun/26/activist-prosecut...

yoran 16 hours ago 1 reply      
Wow this article is stunning. I mean, the tight links between government and corporations were always kind of supposed. But this story exposes it and it's scary! What happens in those backrooms is fucked up.

From the story:

The plan called for disinformation, exploiting strife within the organization and fomenting external rivalriescreating messages around actions to sabotage or discredit the opposing organization, as well as a plan to submit fake documents and then call out the error. Greenwald, it was argued, if pushed, would choose professional preservation over cause.

It's crazy to realize that when people have power and the power is being threatened, like in this case, they would do anything to preserve it at the dispense of people who try to do bring the truth to light. Because the truth will hurt them. Human nature at its best and capitalism at its worst.

sillysaurus 16 hours ago 5 replies      
Thats why [FBI special agent] Robert Smiths life is over. And when I say his life is over, Im not saying Im going to kill him, but I am going to ruin his life and look into his fucking kids. How do you like them apples?

What could he have possibly been thinking? He had a good, defensible position. Everyone would have rallied around him. And then he said that.

siddboots 16 hours ago 0 replies      

By the way, does anyone know if ProjectPM is still alive in any form? echelon2.org and project-pm.org are both gone...

lifeisstillgood 16 hours ago 1 reply      
Now I know why established newspapers like the times place such a high value on integrity of reporting and fact checking. We are in a time like the first newspapers - where Napoleon would publish outrageously biased journals, to attack the other outrageously biased journals. Eventually people listened to the ones who had the high standards of integrity.

Blogs, online websites etc are in the same position right now.

Who runs thenation? How can I trust what sounds like a well researched piece?

Are there really a wealth of funded private armies running around Americas underbelly interfering with its political process as USA was 1950s South America? Boy have those chickens come home to roost

zeroDivisible 16 hours ago 0 replies      
I was following most of those revelations when they were happening, but I didn't knew how the story progressed, nor what implications it had for Brown.

Michael Hastings died in a car crash, Barrett Brown is facing 105 years in a prison, Snowden needs to hide from the authorities...as some of those (death of Michael Hastings) might be just unlucky coincidences, the list goes on. As much as we had made tremendous progress in every single area of life and science, I'm a bit concerned that the name "Dark Ages" is more relevant to present times than it is to the Middle Ages.

Joeri 16 hours ago 1 reply      
Interesting opinion on the timing and method of the michael hastings car crash: http://rt.com/usa/michael-hastings-cyber-car-218/
fnordfnordfnord 12 hours ago 0 replies      
The real problem here is that our backstop against this kind of abuse is "write your congressman", "rock the vote", and "peaceful assembly" in a free speech zone, if you have a permit.
alistair77 14 hours ago 0 replies      
I am very reluctant to draw parallels between real-life and fiction, but the steady stream of stories from the US from Bradely Manning to Snowden to Barrett Brown is making the possibility of a 1984 style state a real possibility. I have never been under any illusion that my data was safe from prying eyes but the extent of the lies, undemocratic procedures and brutality has shocked me. The commercialisation of intelligence, the penal system and war is adding to the issue.

I don't fear for the privacy of my data; I do feel very anxious about the world that my children will inhabit as adults.

EDIT: I'm not making out this a US-only problem.

dobbsbob 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Bruce Schneier wrote an article recently on his blog about what a show trial plea bargaining has become.

Another problem is the insane US prison system with an exploding reoffender rate. Even National Geographic is considered contraband.

Prison racial segregation also doesnt need to happen, and is mainly a weird American thing. I know this because if anybody has done time at D Ray fed prison where they keep incarcerated foreigners the first thing you notice is there is no racial problems because there arent any American inmates.

buenavista 14 hours ago 1 reply      
The situation in this country as become so strange that it's impossible to talk about it without seeming loony.

"The contents of the Stratfor leak were even more outrageous than those of the HBGary hack. They included discussion of opportunities for renditions and assassinations. For example, in one video, Statfors vice president of intelligence, Fred Burton, suggested taking advantage of the chaos in Libya to render Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, who had been released from prison on compassionate grounds due to his terminal illness. Burton said that the case was personal. When someone pointed out in an e-mail that such a move would almost certainly be illegalThis man has already been tried, found guilty, sentencedand served timeanother Stratfor employee responded that this was just an argument for a more efficient solution: One more reason to just bugzap him with a hellfire. :-)"

How can you talk about this with friends and acquaintances convincingly?

shanelja 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Fantastic! Now when he's served the first 60 years of his service, medical science will have advanced to the point where we can pay to elongate his life (as a basic human right) so he can serve out the remainder of his sentence, at which point he will leave prison and die near instantly as he can't afford medical care.
myoffe 14 hours ago 0 replies      
This is just scary.How can anyone now think that a government having any data about our online activity is remotely a good idea? Clearly, the potential for misuse is far greater than the prospect of actually finding terrorist activity through it.
DanielBMarkham 10 hours ago 2 replies      
I'm sorry I upvoted this. This article does not do justice to the story.

I knew we were in trouble when the author started listing associates of people. (This is when you see a sentence constructed as so: "John went to work for Company X which uses the same lawyers as the mafia". A sure sign extra spin is trying to be added)

"...government contractors were attempting to undermine Americans free speechwith the apparent blessing of the DOJ..."

Slow down a freaking minute. Free speech means just that. I can lie to you, plant disinformation, do all kinds of things. I am free to speak. Yes, these groups may have been trying to subvert the credibility of those speaking, and it might have made a great committee investigation to watch on the news, but that's not the same thing as undermining free speech. Now we're getting deep into bullshit territory.

The we get to Stratfor, an organization which explicitly exists to both analyze geopolitical situations and speculate on various blue sky options. Those guys talking about the options to do some kind of crazy op isn't a scandal, it's their job.

The Endgame stuff was intriguing. Could some of this security state, zero-day-exploits and such already be available on the open market? My money says it will eventually, but right now, based on this piece, this still looks like a lot of hand-wavy speculation.

The author claims that this points to a much deeper problem. I'm not so sure. Sounds like Brown went hell-for-leather with a flame-thrower through as many defense contractors and hangers-on that he could find, and finally the system stepped on him like a bug. Not a good thing -- a very bad thing. But hardly at the level of the NSA spying story.

In short, the author overreaches with his thesis, asking the audience to give up NSA paranoia for his version of the military-industrial complex paranoia. You either understand that good people are working in bad systems, or you live in a world where there's good guys and bad guys. The author seems attracted to the latter position. Brown may be a sympathetic character. I'm not sure. Even after reading this piece. Just to be clear, I'm happy his case is getting more attention, because it definitely looks like a shitty thing that's happening to him, but I'd be happier without all the hyperbole. This piece could have used a better editor, somebody that would have challenged the author to tighten up his argument. You don't have to push this story so hard. It's bad enough as it is.

alex_doom 14 hours ago 0 replies      
Jesus. He would have gotten less prison time if he'd chopped off some random head.
DinooD 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Thank you for sharing this. Absolutely stunning.
anchovy 16 hours ago 1 reply      
Stratfor sells news analysis. They are not a "private security company".
21 Months In: How to Manage a Remote Team zapier.com
94 points by WadeF  7 hours ago   28 comments top 10
atacrawl 6 hours ago 2 replies      
I setup a recurring monthly event with each team member where we both jump on Skype or Google Hangout to chat about three things: what's one thing I can do better to help him with his job, what's one thing he can do better to improve at his job, and what's one thing the company can do better to make everyone's lives easier.

I was just talking with a friend of mine about this very topic -- it's critically important for any company, remote or otherwise, to have this kind of meaningful, open dialogue periodically, and yet so few companies actually do this. I'd love to see some statistics on what kind of effect a half hour per employee per month does for overall happiness and employee retention.

ownagefool 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I suspect this is going to rub people the wrong way but the best way to manage a team is, in my opinion, is to not manage them.

By far the biggest issue for me getting stuff done is managment. I've sat in several companies, at times with not a lot of work, because managers aren't willing to sign off. Motivation dwindles and people leave.

Of course you have to hire people you trust. You need to actually trust them and get out of their way. Let the technical people make the technical decisions, let them do the work, remove obstacles and make sure you're not one of those obstacles.

You will pay the price that a couple of non-contributors will fly under the radar for a bit longer, but between git logs and productivity tools you should still be more than capable of gauging productivity, which should be a binary.

Regarding the article, written communcation is important even if you're in the same office. Listen, it's fine if John tells Steve about foo, but unless it's written down Bob and whoever else wasn't privy to that conversation isn't going to know and you're going to need to repeat yourself with every hire.

If there is a significant difference between what you do with remote folks and what you do with guys in your office, you're probably doing it wrong with the guys in your office and you just haven't figured out how much time you've wasted having to explain everything verbally to new guy Dave.

pajju 5 hours ago 0 replies      
We too are a remote team at ninjaas.com.

I admire startups which open-source their - workflows, tools, processes and philosophies. They must be having really-really-big heart! :)

In our case, we are currently just Ramen Profitable. All our team members are remote, in the same time-zone.

Many small startups don't care much to invest in bringing Greater workflows, Processes and tools.

I keep telling to my co-founder - the hardest part in company building is setting up Processes, tools and workflows -- the Nurturing phase. It takes lots of gut, time and patience to explore and fix workflows, tools.

From my experience so far -

+ Any remote work sits on top of love for the work. I must love the job. Job satisfaction.

+ There must be a sense of ownership, reward and instant gratification. All other things like responsibility, Trust, faith comes on top of that.

+ Remote teams need highest levels of Communication clarity, Protocols and aligning with the Product vision. Communication tools are important. We use Google+ Private communities.

So, what if you are an idea-Stage/early-stage?If its an Idea and still not a concrete product? Then remote teams can't collaborate easily and brainstorm. We've found it very hard.

Also for Remote teams - Everyone should be doing support, sales, marketing, pitching, writing cool articles and almost full-stack work. Overall a Generalist attitude. This brings more clarity, responsibility and leadership overtime.

Finally as you said - The biggest wins aren't usually found in any blog posts or comments like mine, but in what you discover on your own, over time.

So keep exploring and don't stop! :)

dylanrw 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Lack of trust and an abundance of paranoia are big obstacles lurking beneath the surface with remote work. Experience leads me to believe most 'managers' or founders aren't able to handle it. However, when you have a good one that gives you the space and trust you need to get things done. It's marvelous.
arohner 5 hours ago 2 replies      
Does anyone have a recommendation for a better tool than LastPass? I use LastPass every day, and it's awful.

It looks like meldium is headed in the right direction but the last time I tried it, it was still too early.

benwoody 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Maybe I use these tools differently than Zapier does, but using Trello AND Github issues AND iDoneThis seems a bit redundant. There's nothing worse than keeping up with different tools to do basically the same thing.
andrewcooke 5 hours ago 0 replies      
the first part of that article is everything, really. if you get that right, they/we will find the right tools.

and i say this as a remote worker who just ended up going for a walk in the rain to calm down; returned to an email saying "sorry for the poor management"; and would quite happily give the silly idiot a hug if he were here...

bluekite2000 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I noted the OP's blog has a job post for a content manager that states Anywhere,USA. Why limit yourself to USA? I figure if it is remote it should be remote anywhere.
jqueryin 4 hours ago 2 replies      
Using Sqwiggle sounds a little too Big Brother for my liking.
srikrishnan 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Wanted to add a couple of items:

* Would rather always over communicate than under (respecting the 'maker schedule', of course)

* Make sure you are always aware of what your team mates are working on - not because you don't trust them, but so you know they are always spending time on higher priority things. A daily scrum - even over a skype call or text based chat can help set clear priorities. Should be part of process for any remote team so its not at end of day that you now time was wasted.

Weddings Used To Be Sacred And Other Lessons About InternetJournalism techcrunch.com
94 points by crapshoot101  7 hours ago   71 comments top 21
205guy 6 minutes ago 0 replies      
A lot of people are judging the personalities involved, the event itself, and the media behavior, but few objective facts are revealed. More worrisome is that objective facts are seemingly being covered over with weasel words.

First off, I am not at all impressed how Mr. Parker shifts the blame onto the property owners and others. I did see some of the inflammatory comments on early stories where people assumed it was public land. But even as private land, its use is still restricted by regulations because it is in the coastal zone. Just because it is private land doesn't mean owners and their renters can do anything they wan with it--thank goodness. California recognizes the fragility and ecological value of the coastal areas and regulates them. I don't care whether he knew about that or not, he, his hired staff, and the owners he worked with are all to blame for not knowing and following regulations.

He also tries to dodge blame for the campground issues and the owners' responsibility, then get sympathy for being strong-armed by the owners into paying up or getting cancelled. All I can say is that he could afford the lawyers, and if you want grandiose, you have to deal with ALL of the issues. His failure to do that does not garner my sympathy.

I would also take issue with "It was an homage to the natural environment," when he admitted the whole scenery and costumes were fake. In other words, it was quite literally the Hollywoodization of the natural environment, not an homage. What he fails to understand, ultimately, is that a an all-night costume party for 350+ people is not compatible with the natural environment--no matter how much he wants the reader to believe so or how much he has paid to make it so.

A lot of HN commenter also seem bowled over by all these words, and just because someone says they didn't harm the redwoods, they believe him.

I'm holding out for a scientific assessment of the situation. I do know redwoods (and sequoia) have shallow roots and can be harmed by trampling. So, were the root areas (usually within a 20-30 ft radius) of the trees properly protected during the decoration and the event?

One of the first stories I saw about this had pictures of the fake walls right up to a tree. So, in the opinion of an arborist specialized in these trees, is that damaging or not?

Same for the trout and other riparian species. Are they present or is this potential habitat? Did the setup or the event or the dissasembly impact the streams or drainages? One original article said they diverted streams; was that accurate or not? Mr. Parkers explanations about different kinds of trout and what's endangered or protected are not very clear--in fact they seem intentionally confusing. He does say that biologists inspected the streams and found no sedimentation. OK, what about immediately before the event (since decorations weren't finished until the last minute) and after the event, and again during the tear-down.

I'm totally willing to believe the environmental damage was minimal. The campground had been recently repaved and bulldozed in places. The set-up crew was at least aware of environmental concerns, regulatory agencies were keeping watch, etc. And yes the media reaction was totally overblown, but doesn't that go with the territory of being rich and somewhat famous, especially when pulling off high-profile events? But I'd still like to see the official report about the damage before believing this one-sided argument.

timtadh 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Make sure you read the end, it is the best part of the essay:

'''The more we depend on social networks and other online services to share content with friends and family, the more we risk that our content inadvertently becomes public. The enforceability of intellectual property laws around user-generated content our photos, videos, and other content is one of the best protections we have. The media has, in many cases, chosen to broadly construe all content shared via these networks as public when in fact much of it is private, and the copyright on that private material belongs to the creator. Sharing photos on Facebook should no more constitute a public license to use those photos than sending them over email.

The ubiquitous license agreements and privacy policies that online services force their users to enter into should be scrutinized by the courts around the principle of adhesion, and if the courts are unwilling to reconsider the status quo then congress should intervene with legislation limiting the scope and enforceability of these agreements. We also need to be willing to consider that only Congress can prevent the abuse of governmental power that is used to coerce online services into to turning over data in a wholesale manner.

I am certain that social networks, technology companies, and telecommunications companies would prefer not to kowtow to governments around the world, but operating a service on the scale of Facebook or Google puts these companies in the crosshairs of governmental agencies of all kinds. Once a company has reached this scale, only governments pose a meaningful existential threat. It is therefore incumbent upon the legislature to craft appropriate boundaries that strike a balance between the valid needs of governmental authorities and the equally valid privacy demands of Internet users.

In the end, the lesson learned from my wedding was something much less obvious than the parable of excess that was claimed. Rather, the democratization of the media that I idealized in my youth when it was just a distant, blurry dream, suddenly seems much less worthy of idolatry now that its become a stark reality. The lesson for me, felt acutely over the past two weeks, ended up being a familiar moral to a familiar story: Be careful what you wish for you might just get it.'''

anigbrowl 5 hours ago 1 reply      
That's quite interesting and enlightening; although the lesson this case seems to be 'beware of the company you keep' since he ended up getting the blame for the poor ecological stewardship and greed of the inn on whose land the event took place.

I'm struck by this quote:Economically speaking, I profited handsomely from the destruction of the media as we knew it. The rest of the world did not make out so well, and society certainly got the worse end of the bargain. The decentralization of media got off to a promising start, but like so many other half-baked revolutions, it never fulfilled its early promise. In its present form, social media may be doing more harm than good.

I think this is rather true. Although there was stupid tabloid media long before social media came along, it's increasingly become the norm on the internet. I know a little of how he feels as I spent years trumpeting the idea f public comments on newspaper articles and so on....and now I use Stylebot to hide them from me, because 99% of what's written in news article comments is hideously stupid. Rather than elevating society, the internet and social media has basically digitized the mob and given everyone a megaphone.

mixmastamyk 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Another example of why you should not trust anything you read or see on TV w/o time and/or corroborating evidence.


Summary Points

- The wedding site was chosen because it had been previously developed,so there was no environmental impact. The site was not publicproperty, it was a private, for-profit, campground, which was mostlypaved in asphalt and or cleared of all foliage. Development onlyoccurred in cleared dirt and asphalt areas.

- The natural environment was not harmed, despite widespread claims tothe contrary. There was no harm done to redwood trees, other plants,or animals. There were no endangered species on or near the property.

- We were conscientious about protecting the environment, locating thesite with the help of Save the Redwoods League and soliciting adviceabout how to avoid harming the redwood habitat.

- Hundreds of articles were written in the days following the wedding,yet only one reporter contacted us for comment. Most of theinformation contained in these articles was erroneous. No originalreporting was done, no interviews were conducted, and no factchecking occurred.

- We voluntarily agreed to cover $1 million in penalties related to theVentanas lack of development permits and past violations. We alsovolunteered to contribute $1.5 million in charitable contributionsserving the coastal region of the Monterey Peninsula.

frogpelt 1 hour ago 2 replies      
About wedding costs:

The median cost of a wedding is somewhere around $18,000 according to TheKnot.com while the median net worth is around $57,000. In other words, the median wedding cost / net worth ratio is around 1/3.

Mr. Parker's wedding costs were around 1/168th of his net worth. It wasn't extravagant by that measure.

resu_nimda 5 hours ago 4 replies      
For the most part, I agree with him, he was essentially violated by a sensationalist online media that spews cut-and-paste drama with absolutely no due diligence ("viral" is particularly evocative here).

That said, it does sound like a pretty extravagant over-the-top wedding, if a more tasteful one than your typical Kardashian affair. I suspect people latched onto that bit and just ran with it. I can't reconcile his talk of nature and sanctuary with the extremely manufactured and "faked" nature of the event. Why not have a low-key ceremony in an actual beautiful natural area?

parfe 5 hours ago 1 reply      
While HN isn't responsible for the content of the articles it linked to, the community here sure took the opportunity to write, and upvote, some awful things.

I wish there was a sort of pinned story feature to offer a community retraction that stays on the front page for a substantial amount of time. Sort of a group apology for promoting comments like "I disagree. To me, this is the story of a single a-hole." and "Fuck you Sean Parker."

incongruity 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Wait, wait, one of the guys who was behind facebook and the creator of napster (both of which use the internet to profit from other people's information or creative efforts) wants us to feel bad that something he held sacred was violated on the internet?

Um, what?

j_s 6 hours ago 0 replies      
rogerbinns 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I really hate how the American legal system lets the guilty get away with things.

In this case that hotel was very guilty of years of violations, and got away free. Didn't cost them a penny. You see those settlements all the time where the guilty party made a payment but admitted no guilt. And of course the government has unlimited deep legal pockets and can make life hell for people. It is in their interest to overreach which makes it even more expensive and threatening for the innocent or those guilty of only a little bit.

breadbox 5 hours ago 0 replies      
"I have known the media to be irresponsible at times, but this represents a new low."

Actually, I doubt that. I'm willing to concede that it has become more prevalent recently, but it seems more likely that this level of irresponsibility has always been present in the media to some degree.

thret 3 hours ago 3 replies      
"I was backed into a corner and had no choice but to give in to any demands made of me by the hotel or the commission."

The California Coastal Commission waited until 20 days before the wedding to blackmail him for one million dollars, simply because he could afford it. How on earth do they get away with this abuse of power?

gojomo 4 hours ago 2 replies      
9600 words!

The very rich are different from you and me... no one dare edit them for length.

That said, I am sympathetic to Parker's point that social media/journalism has, with all its benefits, also introduced certain pathologies for which we haven't yet evolved countermeasures.

Avshalom 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Wait when were weddings ever sacred?

How willfully ignorant of humanity do you have to be to think that a wedding like that was going to just go without comment?

Zimahl 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I have to wonder how much of a backlash would've been created for someone other than Sean Parker. I don't think this would've been much of a story if not for 'The Social Network' portraying him as an egotistical, asshole, pseudo-con man (which he very well might be, I don't know). But then comes along a story of him doing what seems like egotistical, asshole stuff and it's too much to resist for the media. The narrative is already there so it writes itself.
crapshoot101 5 hours ago 0 replies      
All in all, I was surprised/impressed that he was willing to acknowledge that he's been one of the biggest beneficiaries of the media disintermediation he helped to bring about, in many ways - and now he's finally seeing a backlash from it. The standard point about clickbait and the Buzzfeedication of media is a reasonable one, but until stories / media can earn online by maximizing for something other than CPM, this will continue. I don't have any solution, just acknowledging the problem.
scelerat 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I sense that the backlash, well-informed or not, was fueled more by the extravagance of the event than its environmental impact.
uptown 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm not going to read his article - but why is he still fanning this fire? People get worked up over things, then they move on. This is likely to just extend the time-period over which this will fade.
Malloc_Leake 4 hours ago 0 replies      
The remarkable thing is, everyone had already forgotten about how much they hate Whoever Parker until he wrote this. If he really wanted to be left alone he would have just shut up about it. This is just attention grabbing and trying to re-write history, painting himself as a sympathetic figure that shouldn't be picked on for living an extravagant life while the majority of his countrymen are getting kicked out of the middle class.
mrtriangle 6 hours ago 3 replies      
TL:DR The media is a bunch of haters, our wedding wasn't as ecologically devastating as it was played out to be. Why'd you people use so many expletives about us?
rdouble 5 hours ago 0 replies      
This dude needs something to do!
AES timing variability at a glance yp.to
28 points by ColinWright  3 hours ago   5 comments top 3
vilhelm_s 1 hour ago 0 replies      
So it seems that modern Intel x86 processors have hardware support for AES (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES_instruction_set). Does that solve the problem?
bradleyjg 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I like the presentation with the colored graphs, it definitely it a good way of demonstrating the problem.

However for his own implementation, it's hard to see how significant the residual timing attacks are. If fact just looking at the graph, and without the acknowledgment in the introduction, I'd be hard pressed to say that those pictures had any irregularity at all.

omra 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I highly recommend reading the explanation on how this is significant, it goes into more depth about timing attacks:


WikiLeaks Volunteer Was a Paid Informant for the FBI wired.com
293 points by Libertatea  14 hours ago   69 comments top 18
guelo 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Wikileaks is refuting some elements of this story on Twitter, https://twitter.com/wikileaks:

"A wired article today misdescribes a volunteer's role. Earlier statement: http://wikileaks.org/Eight-FBI-agents-conduct.html description of role: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/herbert-snorraso... "

"At no time did Sigurdur Thordarson 'work' for WikiLeaks. At no time did he have access to sourcing or publishing systems."

ruddi 13 hours ago 3 replies      
For those not familiar to Icelandic news this guy has been in it from time to time over the last year or so.

He's under investigation for fraud (more than one) in Iceland and to be honest he needs some medical help. He's burned every bridge he's ever crossed, it seems, and although he tries hard to become some kind of a celeb as much as he can (e.g. showing up with two bodyguards when he went to speak before the parliament)[3] it's not working.

His accomplishments:

Stealing confidential data from Milestone (Icelandic company)[0]

Bugging the Icelandic parliament

Playing nice with the FBI

"Stealing" electronics worth millions of ISK from small shops in Iceland[1]

Taking money for seminars/courses he didn't, and never meant to, hold.[2]

[0] http://www.visir.is/grunadur-um-ad-hafa-stolid-gognum-fra-vi...

[1] http://visir.is/-og-bdquo;siggi-hakkari-og-ldquo;-i-gaesluva...

[2] http://www.dv.is/frettir/2013/6/5/sagdur-hafa-haft-fe-af-isl...

[3] http://visir.is/kom-med-lifverdi-a-nefndarsvid-althingis/art...

tenpoundhammer 8 hours ago 3 replies      
It's incredible how far the government is willing to go to stop the free flow and dissemination of information.

It's almost like they have something to hide...

Amadou 13 hours ago 3 replies      
I'm not surprised at this turn of events. It is a common accusation that Assange himself created wikileaks as a tool for self-aggrandizement. I think that's mostly just a smear calculated to discredit wikileaks - it is the other way around: without sufficient ego, Assange would not have preserved long enough to create wikileaks. But I don't think there is any question that an organization like wikileaks will attract people who are motivated purely by self-interest rather than idealogical goals - practically any organization attracts such people, even the non-controversial ones.

I was a little miffed to read that federal prosecutors fly on private jets, although if enough FBI agents were flying with them I suppose that could have been cheaper than a bunch of tickets on a regular airline.

lmgftp 10 hours ago 1 reply      
What I find in this article of most interest is the fact that it reveals the FBI's intentions when they went to Iceland. I've missed the source (sorry), but there was a previous article on here that made it sound like the FBI was harassing Wikileaks and showed up in Iceland under false pretenses. In addition, it had quotes with numerous public figures going all "we expelled the FBI since they lied".

This article clearly demonstrates that their intentions were true based on the information available from that video, and really paints a more competent picture of the FBI's counter-computer-crimes division. I, for one, am pleased to see that the surveillance bashing in the un-sourced (since I forgot it) article is done with and we now have real information into the FBI's Icelandic foray.

quackerhacker 12 hours ago 1 reply      
This is why I'm so critical against informants/whistleblowers (I'm referencing an old Google tax whistleblower...not Snowden or Manning), because most have their own intentions and greed/fame motives.

He deceived wikileak supporters to sell shirts.

Chronicled his "adventure," obviously to source the article.

Attempted to associate with LulzSec and Anon, and did associate with the FBI...for setting up Wikileaks, or ego?

The only thing in this story I like is that the FBI used him and cut him off when he had no more value.

I may be bias here since kpoulsen has done an article on me, but this guy doesn't deserve the attention he'll get...probably use it to sell more shirts

kintamanimatt 12 hours ago 1 reply      
He made a whole $5k? That's chump change.
chrisvineup 13 hours ago 1 reply      
I would have been more surprised if there were NO informants at Wikileaks, no organisation that relies on people is impervious to this.
lotharbot 7 hours ago 2 replies      
I've heard Assange call Wikileaks an "intelligence agency", and others call it "the intelligence organization of the people".

Why is anyone surprised when the US government treats it like an intelligence agency, cultivating informants within its ranks and attempting to intimidate its agents [0]? I suspect Wikileaks has, on occasion, been fed false information by the US and other governments. I suspect the US is not the only nation that has informants inside of the Wikileaks inner circle. Calling themselves an "intelligence agency" and doing the sort of work that intelligence agencies do means we should expect other intelligence agencies to be working against them to some degree.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1220562

rdl 13 hours ago 2 replies      
Reading the back and forth emails was pretty entertaining. I wonder what caused FBI to go so cold on him for a while -- was it a negotiating tactic, or was there a block due to Sabu or other leads, or was it mostly unrelated bureaucratic stupidity?
rdl 10 hours ago 0 replies      
This is apparently his twitter: https://twitter.com/singi201

I wonder how the FBI agents involved feel about him going to the press, now :)

pekk 11 hours ago 0 replies      
This is an implicit threat.
Inception 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Just $5,000?! That seems a little low....it appears Siggi is not the brightest bulb on the tree.
_quasimodo 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Somewhat reminds me of Kim "Dotcom" Schmitz.
known 6 hours ago 0 replies      
"Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it." -- Albert Einstein
stevedub 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I wonder if he signed one of those 19 million dollar NDAs...
rusky85 12 hours ago 0 replies      
I was surprised to see that Wikileaks General Counsel wants to stay out of it.
zipfle 12 hours ago 1 reply      
Holy copyediting fail, Wired.
Experimenting with QUIC chromium.org
68 points by igrigorik  6 hours ago   7 comments top 5
jeremyw 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Wonderful. This reads like an evolution of CurveCP, with the goals of real acceptance and downstream flexibility.
oscargrouch 5 hours ago 0 replies      
ive been waiting for the rationale from google for a long time. It was love at first sight, when the QUIC source code arrived at my cloned chromium repo for the first time :)

very promissing and sophisticate tech!

zrail 5 hours ago 1 reply      
How much does this share with uTP[1], goal and/or design-wise? It seems like they have related aims, at least (reduced latency, defeat TCP head-of-line blocking).

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Transport_Protocol

objectivefs 3 hours ago 0 replies      
MinimaLT[1] is another interesting protocol with similar goals. From the abstract:

"Minimal Latency Tunneling (MinimaLT) is a new network protocol that provides ubiquitous encryption for maximal confidentiality, including protecting packet headers. MinimaLT provides server and user authentication, extensive Denial-of-Service protections, and IP mobility while approaching perfect forward secrecy."

[1]: http://cr.yp.to/tcpip.html

limsup 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Wow - this is exciting. It sounds similar to the SSH protocol but with forward error correction and fine-tuned for quick handshakes. Is the the beginning of the end for TCP and SSL? I hope so!
Multiplayer Genetic Cars gencar.co
88 points by gwil  8 hours ago   58 comments top 21
alan_cx 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Probably missing something ...

Which is my car? Is it competing? If so, against who? How can I tell? I have no idea what Im looking at, which is my car, who Im competing against, who is doing well.

Is there some sort of dummies guide for the likes of me???? :)

Despite all that, Im mesmerized!!!

Edit: I see down votes? How is it wrong to not understand something and ask for some help. Why is that a down vote?

mistercow 2 hours ago 1 reply      
This is a neat idea, although currently I can't really figure out what the deal is. It seems that I'll have a really effective car, and then the next round, I'll end up with a completely new set of cars, none of which resemble the previous winner, and all of which are less effective.

Anyway, would would be really cool to see would be something like Picbreeder, but for cars, where you can manually choose which cars to breed, then let them evolve on different courses, etc. Having some extra control over the situation would make for something extremely addictive.

jsnell 8 hours ago 3 replies      
I don't think this idea works. All players will very soon have the same top car (or the descendant of the same top car), and get a copy of that car from all other players. This creates a massively inbred mono-population.

Not sure what the appropriate fix would be. Import the top car from one random player in each generation?

artjumble 7 hours ago 1 reply      
So did you ask Rafael Matsunaga if you could copy and release his code as open source?
eterm 8 hours ago 1 reply      
One problem is that everyone shares their best, which becomes someone else's best, which then gets shared. Very quickly all my cars are all the same car ID.

It needs a way to prevent 2 identical copies racing each other.

Glyptodon 6 hours ago 1 reply      
It seems a bit opaque/confusing. Pretty soon everyone seems to be based on the same root 'genome' and you can't even tell which cars are 'yours' so to speak. Likewise, you can't wall off your own gene pool so that it doesn't get cross-contaminated.
jstanley 8 hours ago 3 replies      
Is this based at all on the HTML5 genetic cars project submitted the other day?
webjprgm 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I've been watching "PubNub-World-4" for a while (28 generations, animation is still on). It has a nasty hill to climb that stops all cars at about 160 meters. I saw one almost make it over. So now I don't want to refresh and lose the chance that one might eventually evolve to make it.

Most of the cars seem to be quite similar, though. Also, the one that almost made it over doesn't seem to be marked as the leader so there's no net improvement in the cars. I saw one more, in about Gen 30, almost make it over too (it jumps up and sits on the ledge a while before falling back, as opposed to not getting past the ledge or jumping straight up in the air and falling back down).

Very mesmerizing thing.

Ra1d3n 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Im hitting performance problems after about 5 minutes. I get massive lags. Running on latest Chrome i5 3.4GHz x 4 and 8GB RAM.

Edit: Just press "New Population" a few times and watch your browser slow down. There is a memory leak somewhere.

pubnub 7 hours ago 0 replies      
We've pushed a few updates but are still working on making improvements! Soon a Chat feature will be added too....
pubnub 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Adding the chat shortly and we will change the world number again.

FORK us - https://github.com/pubnub/genetic-car-2

snake_plissken 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Ummm can someone explain to me what exactly is going on here?
qwerty_asdf 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Let's all coordinate on the "HackerNews" world.

Join World: HackerNews

deletes 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Is the world based on the same map(terrain) or the same pool of cars?
pubnub 6 hours ago 0 replies      
We just pushed a new update go check it out. Upgraded Chat. Soon to come is a Intelligent Design (God Mode).
hyramgraff 6 hours ago 1 reply      
I've found the the string "HN" generates a nice but challenging world.
ndr 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Now put a js based bitcoin miner on the background and you're done.
MWil 8 hours ago 2 replies      
The go button is not working for me (firefox 22)
pubnub 7 hours ago 1 reply      
We are working on improvements to the Genetic Algorithm! Updates Shortly.
pubnub 5 hours ago 0 replies      
dta5003 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Watch out for the XSS in the chat.
DuckDuckGo launches Search & Stories app duckduckgo.com
113 points by Titanous  9 hours ago   50 comments top 11
landhar 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Just gave it a try... This is so much better than the previous DuckDuckGo app. Focusing on stories and leveraging the search capabilities of ddg is genious (at the bottom of every news there's a "suggested searches" menu with very useful suggestions).

Cherry on the cake ? HN is one of the available sources for stories!

d0m 8 hours ago 3 replies      
I'm a bit confused about the "Stories". What does it mean? Is it articles? Blog posts?
nemoniac 9 hours ago 2 replies      
This app goes against the grain of DDG.

Frankly I'm not interested in stories, I'm interested in search. I get my stories elsewhere.

When I start the app I want to have a keyboard come up so that I can type in keywords. I don't want to see stories or to have to tap a second time just to activate the text input area. Then I want the results to open in the external browswer of my choice.

Is there a DDG app that does this?

znowi 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Installed it right away and... I love this app! Looks well polished. Easy bang search with a list of available sites right there nicely grouped. A lot of news sources (HN included) and you can suggest more or add/remove any. Region bubble is supported, but disabled by default. Save recent is also disabled. Such care for user privacy is so surprising in mobile apps, it makes me giddy :)
akavlie 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Anyone know where the images are coming from?

Most of them aren't pulled directly from the story.There are also copyright issues with images that make this legally tricky to pull off.

pearjuice 9 hours ago 5 replies      
DDG might be fresh, safe and secure and have nice features; its search is still very, very weak.
k-mcgrady 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Just give it a try. Seems like a nicely designed app. !bangs are nicely integrated and search works well. There are a large number of sources you can choose your 'stories' page to be populated from and it seems like it is surfacing interesting content.
hkmurakami 6 hours ago 1 reply      
is there a way I can change the default Google now shooing on android (the one at the very bottom of the screen) to this?
awesomifier 9 hours ago 0 replies      
So awesome. But please make an app for us BlackBerry Z10 users. Blackberry's encryption and privacy features is a nice fit with Duck Duck Go's anonymous search.

Don't forget us!

Sami_Lehtinen 8 hours ago 0 replies      
You don't need any additional app(s). Dolphin Browser already supports DuckDuckGo directly. Any other browser also should have search engine configuration options. (Don't you guys remember, I won't install your app discussion.)
lgray 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Is this news? I downloaded it a few days ago. When did it launch?
Illegally climbing the Golden Gate bridge at dawn (2011) nopromiseofsafety.com
146 points by jcbmllgn  11 hours ago   89 comments top 16
dkokelley 8 hours ago 2 replies      
I'm really not sure how I feel about these things. On one hand, these are great escapades, and they result in fantastic pictures. I do like seeing "forbidden and forgotten areas". On the other hand, I would never want to encourage anyone to do something like this. It's illegal for a reason. The reason is not just your own safety. If he had fallen on to the road side of the bridge, not only would he die, but he would risk the safety of others driving across the bridge. Even in the best-case where he doesn't hit a vehicle or cause an accident, the morning commute is screwed up because of what on the surface appears to be another suicide.
base698 7 hours ago 1 reply      
I have been BASE jumping for quite a while and within that community there is a strong thread of leave no trace. It reduces the legal risk, eliminates property damage, and keeps it open for everyone else.

Back to Joe, I found his blog and saw a picture of him setting off fireworks on top of a crane I had just climbed and jumped in the city I used to live. I kept thinking the increased security probably should have led to my arrest since setting off fireworks isn't exactly stealth and if I was property owner and found that I'd definitely be horrified enough to increase security. I tracked him down and took him out to an antenna for him to climb and photograph warning him what could happen if he kept posting so publicly. He was eventually was arrested for this:


He was an interesting dude. Modified a car to have a skin of bottle caps all over it. He does not walk to the beat of normal society's drum.

js2 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Not sure which was the more dangerous part, potential encounter with a water craft, or potential encounter with pathogens or PCBs.

FWIW, http://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/outdoors/hudson_river...

bluetidepro 10 hours ago 4 replies      
Amazing things like this make me wish I wasn't afraid of heights. Even the pictures sort of make me feel uneasy. Haha Regardless, this is incredible.
incision 9 hours ago 1 reply      
If you like this sort of thing, you might appreciate Vitaly Raskalov [0].

0: http://englishrussia.com/2013/03/22/on-top-of-the-pyramide/#...

barce 38 minutes ago 1 reply      
You can get a permit for this and do it legally: http://www.parksconservancy.org/visit/tours/golden-gate-brid...
shawabawa3 10 hours ago 1 reply      
> In a choice between a 300-foot-fall to water and a 30-foot-fall to concrete the winner is discernable if not immediately clear

I'm guessing the correct choice is the concrete, but for some reason I feel like I would still prefer to go for the water...

js2 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Performance art from the Williamsburg Bridge:


If you enjoy these sorts of stories, you'll love watching Man on Wire -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_on_Wire

quackerhacker 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Mesmerizing. Apart of the glitz, I think of living in a city, is exploring.

When I was young with friends in SF (we were around 12), I remember the most adrenaline pumping thing we did was walk in the muni tunnel off I think Duboce (back in 01', so I'm not sure of the right names) and we'd always climb to roof access in the condo where they lived.

dfc 7 hours ago 3 replies      
It is the most photographed landmark in the country

I am sorry but that is BS. I could not find any statistics about "photographed landmarks" but a quick check of any measure of tourism and this seems extremely unlikely. For starters San Francisco's tourism does not come close to NYC.

oldcigarette 9 hours ago 2 replies      
In railfanning we don't look kindly on people who trespass to great the 'perfect shot' because they just end up screwing things up for everyone else with ever increasing rules, surveillance and fences. Please think about the consequences of your actions when doing something like this.
gesman 10 hours ago 2 replies      
This is lovely and amazing!

90% of chance of law enforcement to be in touch with you soon, unfortunately.This is akin posting Youtube video of yourself breaking legal speed limits.

lcrs 2 hours ago 0 replies      
There's a lovely little book by John Law which includes climbing this bridge, back in the 70s: http://www.furnacepress.com/publications/law.html
milliams 10 hours ago 3 replies      
Awful choice of font colour.
nazka 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Someone has an idea to find what camera he used? I tried to find it on flickr and google.image but there is nothing. I really like how it captured the colors and the light.
Ricapar 10 hours ago 1 reply      
He missed the part of the story where he has to get back down!
How Rap Genius Raised $1.8M in Seed Funding Without Knowing What We Were Doing rapgenius.com
122 points by tomlemon  10 hours ago   88 comments top 20
smacktoward 9 hours ago 6 replies      
> Its not just about the merits of your website if it were wed be at the Four Seasons 6 months earlier its about whether you project energy, excitement, and confidence.

Thank you, Rap Genius, for packing everything depressing about what the industry I chose to spend my life working in has become into a single convenient sentence.

austenallred 9 hours ago 0 replies      
It's nice to see someone calling out fundraising for what it is: an enormous mind game. Imagine how hard it would be to be that confident if you weren't the hottest YC company in the batch. The RapGenius guys had everything you could ever want in terms of traction, network, and social proof, and they still had to convince themselves that they were worth it.
thesis 9 hours ago 1 reply      
How does it go from

"The problem was that even if every warm lead invested the maximum plausible amount wed still barely make it to $1M."

on to: "PG advised us to dream up some way of lowering our cap for our existing investors to get more takers, which would have been a hella-beta conversation to have and who knows whether it would even work because showing that kind of weakness is a major turnoff."

then: "And yet it ended up totally fine!"

-- all this fluff about sockless bearded russians, and apartments with track lighting but they left out the most important part?

BTW.. does track lighting in apartments state some level of wealth that I'm unaware of?

awwstn 8 hours ago 2 replies      
These guys are loud, belligerent, arrogant and outright absurd [1]. But they are doing something incredible.

They have a product with widespread adoption and a massive scope of new verticals to tackle, and they (I think) have a vision for this technology to make the web a better place for all of us. Just as Facebook was brilliant to attract the love of the cool kids (first Ivy league, then all college kids, then high school + college, etc.), which led to worldwide adoption, RapGenius is taking a far more creative approach than to just build an annotation layer over the entire web without any common beliefs, passions or interests to galvanize the community.

I'm excited to see it pan out.

Edit: I probably shouldn't call someone loud, belligerent, arrogant and outright absurd without a link. :)

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NAzQPll7Lo

ssharp 10 hours ago 3 replies      
I'm not sure if its disrespectful or awesome that they're referring to a VC as a "baller ass Russian dude".

I suppose being able to talk like this is a privilege only available to a site like Rap Genius. I think I love it.

zbruhnke 1 hour ago 0 replies      
What I want to know is when Code Genius comes to fruition. I think it would be a much better version of Stack Overflow for some specific use cases.
knodi 9 hours ago 4 replies      
I really hate this style of writing.
ryguytilidie 6 hours ago 0 replies      
This doesn't really describe much about how they raised at all. In fact, it seems to focus on pretty much everything except for what they actually did to successfully raise the money, just that they eventually got it...
anandkulkarni 9 hours ago 0 replies      
This is pretty much spot-on with what it's like to fundraise.

RG is such a breakout star today that it's remarkable to see they went through similar fundraising adventures to everyone else in YCS11.

rdl 10 hours ago 1 reply      
I wonder how many groups have gotten rejected from TechStars but accepted into YC. That seems somewhat surprising to me, although I guess the individual TechStars programs are smaller.
jonathanjaeger 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Saw Ilan talk at a music tech meetup in NYC and he was about as open as you can get about the behind-the-scenes of starting a community and raising funding. About as open as the blog post but in much greater detail.
canadev 10 hours ago 3 replies      
How does Rap Genius make money?
liveinoakland 8 hours ago 1 reply      
Rap genius is the first site in a long while that I discovered and then promptly spent HOURS on in the next few days. Now I can't listen to a song without checking it out. The annotations on all of Kanye's song have a wealth of amazing back story and information. This site is pure gold even if it only ever did lyrics. The idea that they can expand to other verticals is pure diamonds. This site will slay. I think it already leaves Quora in the dust. IMO it's the next big thing blue chip tech co.

PS rap genius annotations implemented on HN would make it a lot cooler. The comments about particular writing style here... u guys should just hop over to Rap Genius and annotate what "hella betta" means. You're living in ancient technology land!

joshuaellinger 10 hours ago 0 replies      
And since it worked for the Seed, they continued it with the Series A. And it worked again.

I think A16Z invested for the entertainment value.

applecore 10 hours ago 2 replies      
You can enjoy that sockless look without giving up the benefits of a comfy sock. Look up low-cut, "incognito" or "no show" designs.
tar 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Is this supposed to be a good thing?
lowglow 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Super relevant meetup happening tonight with SFHN for those that are interested in knowing more about raising a seed round: http://sfhn-seedround.eventbrite.com/
elsurudo 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Love the writing style, and the fact that these guys manage to keep it so light, and not take themselves too seriously. Keepin' it real... Nice gimmick.

Posting using your own software to pimp it is a good idea, too. I'm not sure I like annotations in this case, because I really read them all anyways, which means that it's just annoying to click them all. There should be a way to expand them all into the body of the article, if you wanted to (is there?).

EricMuller22 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I absolutely lost it at the "hockey gear" annotation. Would have been hilarious.
wtrurtiyuryt 8 hours ago 0 replies      
These are very respectable people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NAzQPll7Lo
Tell HN: The front page of Hacker News has been deindexed from Google
43 points by Roedou  2 hours ago   30 comments top 12
Matt_Cutts 1 hour ago 1 reply      
It's not that PG has a grudge against Google (or vice versa) or anything like that. I believe that search engine bots crawl Hacker News hard enough that PG blocks most crawling by bots. In the case of Google, he does allow us to crawl from some IP addresses, but it's true that Google isn't able to crawl/index every page on Hacker News.

Here's a link where I answered the same question about three weeks ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5837004 , so this isn't a new issue. In fact, PG has been blocking various bots since 2011 or so; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3277661 is one of the original discussions about this.

And to show this isn't a Google-specific issue, note that Bing's #1 result for the search [hacker news] is a completely different site, thehackernews.com: http://www.bing.com/search?q=hacker+news

In general, I think PG's priority is to have a useful, interesting site for hackers. That takes precedence and is the reason why I believe PG blocks most bots: so that crawling doesn't overload the site.

jlgreco 52 minutes ago 0 replies      
Mmm, seems kind of like a feature. In fact, maybe PG should robots.txt google entirely. It seems like HN has been getting mentions in other media with increasing frequency. If you can't find the site just because google doesn't doesn't list it, then I have to wonder what you are actually doing here. This wouldn't be the first way that HN sets a bar for new users either; the "Create Account" form is already hidden under "submit".

HNSearch works great for HN specific searches anyway.

JoeCortopassi 2 hours ago 1 reply      
This has happened before, and usually has a non-pitchforky reasoning (e.g. PG pulled it temporarily because of network/server issue). I'm sure it will be back soon, and we will have a rather reasonable answer as to why. There are way to many google employees, that frequent and enjoy HN, for it to be banned for some arbitrary reason
Roedou 1 hour ago 1 reply      
I found this old thread, where pg had blocked most of the Google bots, and it caused Google to think the site was down:


Could be a similar issue? I'll take a look.

malandrew 41 minutes ago 0 replies      
I too had noticed this. It's unfortunate because searching via Google with site:news.ycombinator.com in the query is much better than HN's own search when you have a good idea what you're looking for (spearfishing search vs BFS)
mattparlane 42 minutes ago 0 replies      
The .org site hasn't been delisted, so it's obviously not based on content:


eli 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Please don't post on HN to ask or tell us something (e.g. to ask us questions about Y Combinator, or to ask or complain about moderation). If you want to say something to us, please send it to info@ycombinator.com.


meritt 2 hours ago 3 replies      
This is most likely the same reason digg's frontpage was deindexed. There's no "content" per se, it's just links. Someone will notice, add an exception, and all is well.

Unlike Digg, HN has a substantial amount of content in the comments pages though, which are heavily indexed.

Edit - All the comment pages are still indexed just fine. It's /only/ the front-page. Which, imo, doesn't really matter anyway.

gee_totes 2 hours ago 1 reply      
If you are using DuckDuckGo, you can use the !hn bang to send your query to hnsearch.com
glitch273 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Matt Cutts browses this site. Maybe he knows the reason why?
chacham15 2 hours ago 0 replies      
This isnt the first time this has happened and I suspect that it wont be the last.
godgod 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Google is evil. Screw them. I refuse to use Google or their services. Make the switch. They deindex a lot of sites they don't agree with. Not saying that is the case here but they've been known to do it.
A Debian GNU/Hurd snapshot lwn.net
53 points by sciurus  6 hours ago   33 comments top 4
mindstab 6 hours ago 2 replies      
As time goes on GNU HURD becomes sadder and sadder :/

They can't even seem to be consistently settled on their basics like what micro kernel they are using


In the 2000s they experimented with 3 other micro kernels, all of which went "no where". Over half a decade spending their limited dev resources on work that ultimately went no where since they are still apparently using Mach.

and now (from the article):

- GNU/Hurd 2013 is available for the 32-bit x86 architecture only

- Hurd can currently only make use of one CPU (or CPU core). That is to say, it will still run on multi-core and SMP machines, but only utilizing a single processor.

- Hurd generally uses device drivers ported from Linux 2.0 ... So the latest and greatest shiny hardware might cause trouble.

Once upon a time if you could get it to run on your hardware it was at least vaguely competitive, but now the thought of putting it on my 64bit quad core laptop... well... what a waste.

And instead of trying to even keep up, they are still trying to pick the right micro kernel...

"In years past, Richard Stallman was quoted as saying that Linux was a good option to use while the Hurd was still incomplete"

m0th87 6 hours ago 4 replies      
Hurd is one of those pieces of tech that just makes me sad. Performance implications aside, micro-kernels feel so much more "right". It feels like proper software engineering techniques applied to the kernel-level. How cool would it be to be able to, e.g. replace the default scheduler with something that satisfies your niche requirements?

But in Hurd's quarter century of life, it's gone nowhere, while Linux, Windows and OS X have zipped by. It feels like nothing short of an apocalypse will bring the micro-kernel back. I think the only major one in the wild in QNX (Blackberry OS), and that's waning. OS X / NT are no longer microkernels.

"Worse is better" still rings true, in more ways than one.

lelf 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I tried it long time ago. And it's something magical about the fact that you can have one system (GNU/Linux) and don't have any binaries for other (GNU/Hurd), only sources for mach, hurd, gcc, glibc and can piece by piece (cross-)compile everything and get a working system (with gcc! you compile it by cross-gcc which you compile from your native gcc).

And yes, /dev/null is just translator (think of it as mount point), user-space program discarding stdin. Oh, and / is just a translator giving access to /dev/hdX

rookieMP 5 hours ago 3 replies      
A lot of people will point and laugh at HURD, calling it a really sad project or whatever. Why? Considering the small number of developers, it has come along spectacularly. Over time, HURD has been improving at a decently consistent rate. I remember a time when it was nearly impossible to get it running even on QEMU. God damn people, sure it's missing features; but those features don't inhibit it running. I, for one, am glad that they decided to get it stable before they get it fast.

I will always wait for the day I can say my computer runs GNU. Nothing else, just GNU.

World's Oldest Genome Sequenced From 700,000-Year-Old Horse DNA nationalgeographic.com
23 points by adventured  4 hours ago   discuss
The Startup Sector Thats Quietly Booming tomtunguz.com
53 points by ttunguz  8 hours ago   16 comments top 10
kapilkale 6 hours ago 0 replies      
They are booming but certainly not "quietly"

- Bitcoin is all over the news

- Capital Access Network, Kabbage, etc are at multi 100M valuations

- Stripe and Braintree are running around at multi 100M vals.

- Simple and Green Dot / Loopt have done plenty in the PR circuit re their latest banking products.

- Kickstarter / Indiegogo are very much mainstream.

- Square is a PR machine at some 4-8B valuation (AFAIK)

nilkn 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Flight tracking (e.g., FlightAware) and legal tech (e.g., CS Disco) strike me as fitting the title more accurately.
beat 6 hours ago 0 replies      
The beauty of the financial sector, #1 - there's a revenue stream already. You just need to skim a little of it. That's really how virtually all get-rich-big systems work.

Beauty #2 - The scale of existing financial organizations makes them particularly slow and resistant to change. Lots of opportunity for disruption, if you can avoid getting squashed.

Beauty #3 - The sudden reach of mobile devices puts a lot of computing and network power into easy reach of startups.

Between these three things, it is any surprise that the sector is booming?

frankcaron 3 hours ago 2 replies      
I don't buy the hype around crowdfunding and its supposed boom.

I think, particularly in the video game space which has seen some of the biggest backings across all industries/verticals, very few successful "crowdfunded" projects hit the market, and those that do generally become available to mainstream consumers with the backers receiving little in the way of truly worthwhile bonuses for fronting the cash.

After being a hugely avid Kickstarter at the get go, I've long since abandoned the site as failed product after lackluster product either died or left much to be desired when it was released. Anything worth owning will eventually be made available for general purchase in a form far superior; it's like someone took the worst parts about buying first-gen, cutting-edge products and exacerbated them.

beat 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I was thinking that all of these new financial disruptions will lead to a boom in smaller, relatively safer startups as well. Some friends of mine are creating a wonderful little startup in the shadow of Square, solving serious business problems for small, mobile vendors (like artists and flea markets) that didn't really exist before mobile credit card processing - or at least, couldn't be solved before that tech existed. I imagine the new technologies will lead to lots of new niche markets appearing.
joonix 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Quietly? All of these areas are rather high-profile.
benologist 7 hours ago 0 replies      
For some peculiar definition of quietly!
gline 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Given that "No one ever talks about Stripe or Coinbase" is obviously not a good basis for an argument, I assume he means "People don't seem to connect these various businesses and observe that 'financial services' as a whole is having a moment?"
gketuma 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Just an unrelated question. What blogging platform is this. I've been seeing a lot of blogs with this same style. Does anyone know.
thinkcomp 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Perhaps if the VCs, Tom and Redpoint included, lent their weight to combating the protectionist laws that govern the payments sector, we'd have something to show for all of this supposed progress other than more plastic payment cards with magnetic stripes.

Last I heard from Tom was, "The MTL laws are large barriers to entry for startups. I'd love to help but I'm not sure I'm ready to sign my name to a petition without understanding the issue in much greater depth. Given the time constraints, I'm not sure I can sign the document."

It's been about eight months. How about now?

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