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B&N Decides That Purchased Ebooks Are Only Yours Until Your Credit Card Expires techdirt.com
60 points by chanux  1 hour ago   20 comments top 4
pilif 1 hour ago 3 replies      
As far as I understood the article, this is about a second download of a book purchased some time ago. I think in this case, it's not as clear-cut as the article makes it out to be.

To stay with the real world analogy: while the article is right that nothing will glue the pages of a physical book together once the credit card expires, it is also the case that purchasing a book once doesn't entitle you to go to the bookstore and demand another copy of the book because you lost your initial one.

I can see a technical reason which prevents the redownload by locked accounts. Or rather, I can imagine the additional work such a feature could require - work that obviously isn't going to be paid for by anybody (or rather paid for by customers who do have valid accounts and buy more media) - the card of the affected account is expired after all.

IMHO, if we want to demand that an electronic media purchase is a traditional sale, then we can't rurn around and demand that it also isn't and that we should have right to infinitely ask for additional copies - however cheap it might be to create them.

javajosh 47 minutes ago 1 reply      
The simple fact is that the ebook experience sucks all the way around. I gave it a shot with the Nook Touch, and I really dislike it, even if DRM wasn't an issue.

Over the years my subconcious has grown used to indexing the story according to certain physical properties of the book. "Oh yes, that happend about a cm in on the right side page, like halfway down" is something I might think- but this coordinate system doesn't work with an e-reader. Seeing the cover art each time counts, too. I also rather like (and miss) the small stains, tears and incidental damage that normal books get. There's also the matter of distraction - now that my book is a device I can't help but fiddle with it. Finally, even though the quality is very good on my Nook Touch, I can see the pixels and I find it distracting.

Maybe some or all of these concerns will go away in time, but then there's also the (rather stunning) fact that ebooks are MORE expensive than the paperback - this, even though the cost of production is negligible, and typically you can't share or bequeath your e-library, etc.

And then on top of all these objections B&N does something asinine like this...let's just say that I'll be perfectly happy reading paper books for a long long time.

vertis 25 minutes ago 0 replies      
I would blame this on a badly designed system rather than deliberate attempt at DRM.

i.e. Product owner goes to dev: We want to make sure that customers always have a valid credit card on file so that when they go to purchase it doesn't distract them (etc, etc).

Dev makes it so that you can't do anything with the website until you've updated your expired credit card.

sami36 58 minutes ago 1 reply      
I don't think it's DRM related or a publisher requirement. I think it's of B&N own initiative to keep your credit card on file in order to facilitate potentially future purchases. Either way, it's misguided & customer hostile. as long as this policy is in effect, I'll never buy an ebook from them again.
World's narrowest house by Jakub Szczesny dezeen.com
28 points by mcenedella  1 hour ago   9 comments top 5
jacquesm 43 minutes ago 1 reply      
That's at least 22 cm wider than this one:


And that one is inhabited. I wonder how the inhabitants schedule their days, I can imagine they have to plan their evening ahead before getting into the house to determine who goes first :)

zalew 56 minutes ago 1 reply      
sadly, due to construction and safety laws, it's officially inhabitable. it can only serve a purpose of being an artistic instalation where one can stay temporarily, but it won't be qualified as a house.

the first concepts were a bit different looking http://warszawa.gazeta.pl/warszawa/51,34885,12670651.html?i=...

tzs 41 minutes ago 0 replies      
That's pretty neat, but even though it is not quite as narrow, I think the Richardson spite house is still my favorite narrow house: http://www.nyc-architecture.com/GON/GON005.htm
ecaroth 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Just looking at the pictures makes me claustrophobic...
eungyu 1 hour ago 0 replies      
There are many attempts at making compact houses. I think the genius of this house is in making it narrow (short-width) without compromising the length, which makes it actually habitable.
Twitter's Response To PeopleBrowsr Lawsuit: ‘This Is Contracts 101′ techcrunch.com
32 points by busted  2 hours ago   11 comments top 3
abootstrapper 49 minutes ago 1 reply      
If Twitter hadn't been acting like a jerk to their developer community for the last 2 years, I would completely side with Twitter on this.

However, given Twitter's recent behavior of backpedalling on expectations they set for developing on their platform, and their disrespect for developers who've been cheerleading and building apps for them the last 6 years, I'm glad to see someone fight back the best they can. If for no other reason than to illustrate that they're acting like jerks. Unfortunately, given Twitter's response and hand waving dismissal, I don't think they received the message. They could have at least paid a little lip-service. Ya' know, act like they give a damn.


jbwyme 59 minutes ago 1 reply      
It strikes me a little odd that twitter doesn't want to have a larger hand in their data distribution. Having some one else handle it seems like something a non-tech company would do. Scaling and automating the distribution to subscribers doesn't strike me as a problem twitter would have a hard time solving and I hardly doubt they need any one else to sell it for them from a marketing standpoint. What, from a business perspective, do you suppose is driving their decision to only work with three companies?
ChuckMcM 39 minutes ago 0 replies      
Its an interesting twist, if you reason that part of Twitter's enterprise value is its Firehose data then unwinding these contracts is in Twitter's best interest. However I have experienced first hand problems with contracts written "pre-success" that didn't anticipate what success would look like. Depending on the players those have generally been amended amicably. On the other hand it does seem like it will damage Peoplebrowsr's product to lose access. Perhaps its just a money question?
Telomerase " Mouse lifespan extended up to 24% with single treatment (May 2012) sciencedaily.com
121 points by evo_9  6 hours ago   56 comments top 18
carbocation 3 hours ago 4 replies      
I can nearly eliminate cholesterol in mice (well, they start out with very little to begin with) and my roommate can cure a Huntington's disease model in his lab mice. If media attention were given to every group to achieve something remarkable in mice, we would end up hearing about a lot of false starts. And false starts are a critical/inevitable part of science, so the only thing I'm really saying is that the media attention to this topic is most likely premature.

Mice are a useful model, but they are different enough from humans that we should be cautious when interpreting mouse data in a broader context.

Once repeated studies attacking the same problem from different angles in different institutions start to align, that's when my interest gets piqued. (Unless it's research within my field, in which case I feel better able to understand the strengths and limitations of early-stage studies.)

I also admit that, to a certain extent, this is akin to a "middlebrow dismissal" (though I'm not trying to dismiss their work), and I'd love to hear from an expert in their specific domain.

reasonattlm 4 hours ago 0 replies      
So this one follows on from an earlier 2008 demonstration that claimed 50% life extension via much the same method. There is some annoyance from people in the know regarding that life span claim - it was apparently not very defensible based on the data to hand.

Comments on the 2012 work here:


And here is the full paper:


RandallBrown 5 hours ago 3 replies      
Assuming no major side effects how long before something like this can be used in humans? What are the next steps even?

Does the therapy used to treat the mice with these genes work with humans?

What could the possible downsides of this be (other than things like overpopulation)?

michaelhoffman 4 hours ago 2 replies      
The telomeres are one of the cell's natural defenses against cancer. Telomerase makes it easier for a cell to divide uncontrollably, and most cancers have activated telomerases. Despite the claims that these mice don't have increased cancer, it would be wise to exercise much caution before pursuing this kind of treatment in a human.
duncan_bayne 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Early days, only mice so far, etc. etc. but this is pretty exciting. However ...

One of my greatest fears is that my body will outlive my brain function. Hopefully research into various forms of senility will keep pace with longevity research so I don't wind up buff and spry at 120, completely unable to recognise my friends and loved ones.

I have a family member in that state currently and it is heartbreaking to watch; I know that I'd prefer to die than live like that.

zone411 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Caloric restriction also greatly extends life span in mice (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3958810) but it hasn't translated into monkeys (http://www.nature.com/news/calorie-restriction-falters-in-th...).
xenophanes 4 hours ago 0 replies      
What is the argument the mice were living a percentage longer instead of a roughly fixed amount of time longer?
thisisnotmyname 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Interfering with telomere activity is a critical step for cancer progression (see the halmarks of cancer, limitless reproductive potential), so this procedure essentially makes every cell in your body pre-cancerous.

In my opinion, the most amazing part about this is that the way in which telomerase is delivered is via a retrovirus, typically a relative of HIV.

ommunist 10 minutes ago 0 replies      
What about the cats?
bluedanieru 4 hours ago 1 reply      
There has never been a better time to be a mouse.
qiqing 3 hours ago 0 replies      
The rate at which therapies effective in mice translate to humans is surprisingly low.

We've also cured cancer in mice around 200 times already.

andrewfelix 3 hours ago 2 replies      
"...aging is not currently regarded as a disease, but researchers tend increasingly to view it as the common origin of conditions like insulin resistance or cardiovascular disease, whose incidence rises with age. In treating cell aging, we could prevent these diseases."

Preventing disease by preventing age could be an unending justification for prolonging life. Are there other benefits associated with this treatment? The above explanation of the research doesn't sit well with me.

hayksaakian 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I thought this was about making my computer mouse last longer based on the title and context of hacker news.
kingkawn 3 hours ago 0 replies      
most people's lifespans are currently not long enough for telomerase activity to make a meaningful impact on their cell longevity.
DigitalSea 3 hours ago 0 replies      
"Want longer lasting life? try new LifeExtend from Bayer Pharmaceuticals coming soon to a pharmacy near you"
someperson 3 hours ago 0 replies      
[May 2012]
pebb 4 hours ago 0 replies      
All the side effects are positives. The side effect we wants.
freddealmeida 4 hours ago 1 reply      
My first thought was to my desktop mouse. lol.

Pretty impressive discovery.

The EC2 firewall is broken daemonology.net
245 points by cperciva  10 hours ago   49 comments top 11
minimax 9 hours ago 1 reply      
PMTU discovery on the Internet is generally unreliable. Very few people understand that it exists, and even fewer understand how it actually works. Most ADSL (PPPoE) providers rewrite the TCP MSS on TCP SYN packets traveling over their network to account for the PMTU discovery brokenness. [1] You see the same thing happen with VPN connections where the PMTU is effectively reduced by the size of the overhead for the encapsulation protocol.

1. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios/12_2t/12_2t4/feature/gui...

ChuckMcM 9 hours ago 1 reply      
From the RFC quoted :

"A packet-filtering router acting as a firewall which permits outgoing IP packets with the Don't Fragment (DF) bit set MUST NOT block incoming ICMP Destination Unreachable / Fragmentation Needed errors sent in response to the outbound packets from reaching hosts inside the firewall, as this would break the standards-compliant usage of Path MTU discovery by hosts generating legitimate traffic. "

That would be great, next tell the folks at SBCGlobal to fix their damn network as well. I don't know how many folks we've had to 'patch' by manually walking the MTU down on the local router until packets actually get through. It really really sucks and leads to sending way more small packets than needed.

csense 9 hours ago 2 replies      
There should be some sort of open-source testing environment for common breakages. For example, maybe a bunch of VirtualBox VM's running Linux. Maybe a unit test for the problem mentioned in the article sets up machines A, B, FW, and C connected A <-> B <-> FW <-> C, has B fragment packets, and has A perform path MTU discovery to C. The firewall configuration under test goes on FW and running the test will catch this problem.

With a good enough framework of this type, all the testing could be done "out of the box" so all you have to do is set up a disk image or IP address of a firewall box to test, and the testing is fully automatic. The firewall under test can run any OS or firewall that will run as a VirtualBox client -- or even be its own box connected to the testing machine's Ethernet port. Heck, if you had machines on both sides of some third-party you don't control, like your ISP, you could even use it to probe their network configuration for issues without any special cooperation from them.

If the test suite gets good enough, maybe eventually pressure will build on vendors to make their products pass and we'll see firewall brokenness start to disappear.

As well as cloud services like AWS, such tests could be used by Linux distros, operating system vendors, and network equipment manufacturers.

I'd build it myself, but I'm not a networking expert and I'm not particularly enthusiastic about becoming one.

revelation 9 hours ago 2 replies      
This sort of shenanigans will be over with IPv6. Blocking ICMP is not an option there.
kami8845 9 hours ago 0 replies      
OK so I can see how it violates standards. How many of the millions of users that send traffic through EC2 does this affect however? I can see how they would be reluctant to mess with Firewall rulesets. Even if it they only apply it to new users that would mean fragmentation ... Keep it simple stupid. Again it depends on how many users this affects and from the sounds of the blog post - vanishingly few
hntldr_com 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Summary: problem exists when large TCP transfer is done due the fact that default Amazon firewall configuration prevents ICMP "fragmentation required" packets. Can be fixed by:

  ec2-authorize default -P icmp -t 3:4

This will allow both "destination unreachable" (type 3) "fragmentation needed" (code 4) packets to pass

mike_heffner 9 hours ago 1 reply      
"While at Amazon re:invent I had the opportunity to complain to some Amazonians..."

So what was their response? Was their response the `ec2-authorize` command to run?

zurn 10 hours ago 1 reply      
In my experience this is the rule rather than the exception, most firewall configs are broken in some way and there are often several firewalls on the path. I turn them off where circumstances allow.
el_cuadrado 7 hours ago 0 replies      
The shit is always broken, and always was. I understand some idealistic network engineers may disagree, but this is a fact of life. Deal with it.

And this 'news' definitely do not deserve the frontpage of Y.

jrockway 6 hours ago 0 replies      
What's with the comments on the article:

"johndurbinn • 29 minutes ago I'm bouncing on my toes wah me soopsoak dat hoe"

"Tony Stender • 35 minutes ago Fix this it needs word wrap and zoom capabilities"

I'd downmod them but I'd have to create an account to do so.

kv3 9 hours ago 3 replies      
It doesn't stop ssh or my web traffic.
Why should I care?
It's never too late to become an entrepreneur dailybreeze.com
36 points by Wista  3 hours ago   12 comments top 4
rjzzleep 2 hours ago 2 replies      
the single best sentence in the whole text

"Seeing what everybody does, thinking what nobody does."

i would change it a little.

Seeing what everybody does, thinking what few do, executing like noone else

MojoJolo 1 hour ago 3 replies      
I'm happy that there are people in their late ages still doing entrepreneurship. But I wonder how are they managing the life of an entrepreneur with a family to feed, bills to pay, and age related issues (like energy decline). As I know life of an entrepreneur in a startup is very tiring and lack of sacrifice. So I wonder how they are doing it.

It is also my reason why I wanted to start at an early age. I still don't have a family to feed. No housing, electricity, water bills to pay because I can still live with my parents. And I still have the energy because I'm still young. With it, I can focus solely on my aim which is building a startup/company.

paulgerhardt 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Curious to see what percentage of the entrepreneurs in this study are starting 'small businesses' versus 'startups'.

Didn't Steve Blank peg it at 99.7%?

benzor 1 hour ago 0 replies      
This is interesting given the article that appeared just yesterday on age bias in Silicon Valley [1]. I'd be inclined to think that the ageist mentality probably doesn't extend to the rest of the entrepreneurship world, although I have absolutely no evidence to support that.

[1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4838215

China Mafia-Style Hack Attack Drives California Firm to Brink bloomberg.com
67 points by ssclafani  5 hours ago   37 comments top 13
groby_b 3 hours ago 2 replies      
"n April 2010, during a 6:30 a.m. check of his servers -- by then part of his daily routine -- Milburn stumbled on a folder buried in an obscure Microsoft directory, one that's normally unused. What he found inside startled him. The file contained the encrypted versions of all eight passwords in his system -- the keys to the entire network. The hackers could use the passwords to control just about anything he could, from web servers to e-mail."

Ah. He just decrypted the encrypted versions of his passwords by looking at them. I see.

And he "stumbled upon" a directory during his routine 6:30am check. Really? He's manually inspecting servers every morning at 6:30am?

This entire story is several levels of /headdesk.

benmccann 2 hours ago 3 replies      
A lot of the comments about this presume that the victim could have avoided such trouble with better security knowledge. It's worth noting that the Chinese have hacked Google, Yahoo, Adobe, Lockheed Martin, and over a hundred other companies, which have many more security resources available to them than Solid Oak does. No small business in America would ever be able to defend itself from a sustained attack backed by the resources of one of the most economically powerful nations on earth. For example, does anyone here think they could defend against years of attacks from the NSA?
anigbrowl 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Milburn, after all, had built Solid Oak's network himself. “I thought they might be able to get around some IT guy, but there's no way they were going to get around me,” he says.


I was going to write that at least he got a bunch of free publicity from the article, but on the other hand the takeaway is that product is probably no more secure than his servers.

robomartin 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I'll preface this by saying that it is all too easy to criticize from the outside and without all of the relevant information and history.

Once I got to the point in the article where it was obvious that he was under some form of a coordinated attack I almost wanted to send myself back in time to be able to go over to his office and yell "AWS! AWS!" in his ear.

In addition to that, it seems it should have been obvious that bringing a team of experts to help secure the network (or transition it away) and fight the fight would have been the smartest idea. I would think that the quoted losses of some $58K per month would have covered this just fine. And, perhaps what is more important, it is likely that the technology fight wouldn't have lasted three years.

The other thing that struck me --again, don't have perfect data, don't know all the facts-- is the apparent lack of help from the likes of the FBI. You would think that they'd be there in some sustained fashion to help out.

This fellow was out of his league and paid a dear price for it. Hopefully the settlement compensated for some of it. It sounds like he might have ended-up with stress related health issues which are no laughing matter.

It'll be really sad if the Internet becomes just another weapon of war. That should not be permitted. How? Not sure. Is it too late?

danso 5 hours ago 3 replies      
Ugh...this article reads like a movie about hacking. The story breathlessly conveys how elite Shanghai hackers toyed with a company's lifeblood, wreaking such prolific havoc that the owner literally crawled under the server building to see if a bug had been planted...but the ultimate culprit may have been...

> Examining the script that controlled the payment processing function in November that year, he noticed that a single character was missing from the string -- an apostrophe. That was enough to cause the page to time out, rather than to complete the credit card transaction. Customers were leaving in frustration

Am I right in thinking that this was all hack via SQL injection?

wildranter 6 minutes ago 0 replies      
Why do we do business with those sleazy bags? Just to save a few bucks on our next gadget? No. I guess we have to thank the Wallstreet bonus whores for dropping this f-bomb on us. Not even Bin Laden would've done better. Thanks boys, you rock!
toyg 28 minutes ago 0 replies      
Apart from the unverifiable security blunders (this is a Bloomberg article, not a Full Disclosure post), I have to say I can't feel very sympathetic towards somebody in the censorship business being harassed by fellow censors.
jakejake 3 hours ago 0 replies      
It sounds a bit like the site owner was playing wack-a-mole for three years when he should have just wiped out everything. Once you have an intrusion, unfortunately you can't trust anything that a machine has access to and you should start again from a totally clean install. If this was a huge corporate network I could understand that may be impossible. But for a small shop with a few people, there's no reason not to go around and just wipe out every machine in the company.

If this was a government sanctioned job, though, I imagine they could have stepped things up if the script-kiddie stuff didn't work. Why bring out the nuclear weapons if bottle rockets are doing the job just fine.

pyre 3 hours ago 0 replies      

  > high-tech spies and digital combatants seek to gain
> a brass-knuckle advantage in the global economy

Digital combatants? Does enlistment in the PRC army now include light cycle[1] training?

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_(franchise)#Light_cycles

cnlwsu 2 hours ago 0 replies      
from the Analysis that the article claims identified "thousands of lines copied of code" (sounds like they copied a blacklist):

We found evidence that a number of these blacklists have been taken from the American-made filtering program CyberSitter. In particular, we found an encrypted configuration file, wfileu.dat, that references these blacklists with download URLs at CyberSitter's site. We also found a setup file, xstring.s2g, that appears to date these blacklists to 2006. Finally, csnews.dat is an encrypted 2004 news bulletin by CyberSitter. We conjecture that this file was accidentally included because it has the same file extension as the filters.

ajays 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I stopped reading at this point:

Commercial hacker hunters -- who refer to the team as the Comment group, for the hidden program code they use known as “comments” .....


ThisIBereave 2 hours ago 0 replies      
The HN reaction to this story is pretty sad, I have to say.

Yes, journalists are poor at providing technical coverage. That's not really their job.

Yes, this guy could have created a more secure network system, but if a government hacking group comes after you, you will likely not do any better.

fkdjs 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Hopefully that teaches him to rely on windows.
Alertify.js github.com
240 points by googletron  12 hours ago   64 comments top 27
JoeCortopassi 10 hours ago 7 replies      
Very cool library! The one thing all of these type of things lack (e.g. this, dojo.dialog()) is that they are non-blocking to the execution thread, unlike alert()/confirm()/prompt(). I know it's not their fault, javascript doesn't allow this natively, but i feel like that would be immensely useful for general user input, form validation and the like. Yes, I am aware that it can be done currently through workarounds, I'm just saying that allowing certain native objects to be blocking upon further user input, would be immensely useful and save code readability

EDIT: Care to explain why I'm getting downvoted? Said nothing offensive, and I'm clearly on-topic.

nailer 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Since nobody seems to have noticed yet: bonus points for using native methods and not using JQuery.
danso 12 hours ago 3 replies      
Pretty slick, animation-wise. If I could make one design-layman suggestion...the thick, black border belies the unobtrusiveness of the plugin. Maybe a lighter, thinner border would be a better fit for the use-case of this plugin?
umutm 7 minutes ago 0 replies      
I like that it doesn't require any JS frameworks and still being lightweight.
tlrobinson 6 hours ago 0 replies      
It's rather annoying it's modal but leaves most of the page visible and unresponsive to clicks. Maybe dim the background slightly?
duncans 6 hours ago 0 replies      
One concern is the ordering of buttons. Windows users will be used to OK/Cancel whereas on OS X, etc Cancel/OK is the norm. I wonder if this is something this library should handle?
X-Istence 3 hours ago 0 replies      
In the "prompt dialog" the buttons don't get highlighted when I tab over to them ... so instead my browsers buttons get highlighted, and I end up hitting back instead of Ok or Cancel...
lancefisher 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Here's the examples link: http://fabien-d.github.com/alertify.js/

I love that someone already made a pull request to update the readme with it.

corwinstephen 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I was literally talking to someone yesterday about how I couldn't believe a plugin like this didn't exist yet. Long overdue. Well done!
jarcoal 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Looks great on my iPhone. Thanks for the nice lib!
Kroem3r 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Very nice. Thanks for sharing. I think that I'd like to see the ability to <tab> off the dialog onto the underlying document restricted. The concept of 'semi-modal' is pervasive but undefined :)
electic 11 hours ago 1 reply      
HALP! Does anyone know of a jQuery plugin that has notifications like they do on OSX. For example, when you raise the volume or mute you see that rounded transparent square? Is there something like that for the web?
voltagex_ 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Very slick. The only thing I'd add would be Chrome desktop notifications (optional) for plain alerts.
dan_b 12 hours ago 1 reply      
Really nice smooth animation.

It would be nice if the alerts appeared in the centre of the screen though... I find that jerking my eyes up to the top of the screen and then back down to what I was looking at quite intrusive.

eddiegroves 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Degrades perfectly down to IE7, great example on how to do this - the design and functionality become less and less polished yet it still does the core tasks accurately.
welder 9 hours ago 2 replies      
Great work, but one suggestion:

Make the alert notification go away when ESC is pressed, like the Confirmation and Prompt notifications.

Reedx 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Great work!

I've been using apprise (http://thrivingkings.com/read/Apprise-The-attractive-alert-a...), which is pretty good, but going to switch to this. I really like how Alertify has the growl-like log alerts along with it.

abredow 11 hours ago 1 reply      
This looks beautiful. But I'm curious, do users no longer expect/like their platform's native dialogs for these things?
alpb 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Stacking up of multiple alerts being triggered is not handled properly. I think it should show latest posted alert on the top. Overall, good job!
gbadman 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Great stuff, I think this will take over from jQuery.noty for me.
bjhoops1 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Very nice! I've used jGrowl for this in the past, but this seems much improved, more feature-rich and with sensible default styles. Alertify FTW!
SonicSoul 10 hours ago 1 reply      
great stuff! i wish prompt dialog auto focused on the textbox. currently i have to click it first to type in. (on windows chrome)
hayksaakian 8 hours ago 0 replies      
works surprisingly great on mobile
on a galaxy nexus (cm10) (animations are bit laggy, but thats fine)
sgtnotorious 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Looks awesome! Smooth transitions!
n1ghtfury 11 hours ago 0 replies      
i like it, thanks for making!
leoplct 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Very useful! Thanks! ;)
nubela 12 hours ago 3 replies      
No examples?
Amazon Announces new Data Warehousing Product amazon.com
246 points by secalex  14 hours ago   88 comments top 17
dude_abides 13 hours ago 3 replies      
This has the potential of really disrupting the enterprise data warehouse sector. All the MPP vendors today (HP Vertica, EMC Greenplum, Teradata) have exhorbitant pricing and ridiculous licensing. With their pricing - 1000 $ per TB per year, I would be really worried if I were Teradata (Not so much if I were IBM).
bravura 12 hours ago 8 replies      
Does anyone have insight into how painful it is for non-technical people to query their data warehouses?

I'm building a tool that allows business people and non-technical analysts to query their data warehouses using natural language. (Currently, you must ask a technical person to write ad-hoc queries for you, or build you a dashboard. This bogs down your data people.)

Does anyone have insight into the demand for such a product?

[edit: I'd love to chat with anyone with insight into this topic. Reach me at Joseph at metaoptimize dot com]

23david 13 hours ago 3 replies      
Have to say that this is pretty amazing. The price is so low that it's a no-brainer to just give it a try. For the same 2TB capability, a Vertica license would run between $20-40K, with high annual subscription fees.

The bigger question for me is why Amazon has been able to figure out the technical details necessary to run this kind of service for this price. It's just ridiculous. Talk about taking the oxygen out of the market...

kanwisher 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Should be interesting if this will be a viable competitor to column oriented sql engines like Vertica or other OLAP solutions like SAP HANA. It would be nice if there was a simple SQL based olap solution that I can spin up for offline reporting that can scale terrabytes of data
23david 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Very cool that this will support regular sql queries and queries can be sent using postgresql drivers. Postgresql drivers are super stable and supported everywhere. Driver support is usually overlooked with 'Enterprise' Data Warehousing solutions. I recall that it was really hard to get the Vertica drivers installed and stable under Linux.

I took a few screenshots from the keynote and included one showing the mention of Postgresql and ODBC/JDBC support. Included here if you want to see for yourself: http://wp.me/p2sRpx-1e

23david 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Update! The entire keynote is now available on youtube:

The discussion about Amazon Redshift begins at 52:50

zrail 13 hours ago 3 replies      
Now if only Amazon would offer PostgreSQL on normal RDS.
kzahel 12 hours ago 0 replies      
It seems that the price (~$1 / GB / year) in the best case (3 year reserved) is comparable to S3 at its lowest tiers (~$0.1 / GB / month)
monstrado 13 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm curious what technology they are using to power it. According to the website, the technology described seems very similar to what Cloudera recently open sourced (Impala), which sits along side Hadoop allowing ad-hoc MPP style querying on petabytes of data.


sologoub 12 hours ago 1 reply      
Maybe a naive question, but how does this compare with Google Big Query?
rpicard 13 hours ago 3 replies      
What is the use case for something like this versus a regular RDS service?
K2h 11 hours ago 1 reply      
It's called Redshift!

wow.. I just finished reading the sci-fi book a few weeks ago - "Redshift Rendezvous" by John E Stith. I wonder if this is where the name comes from? In the book Redshift is the name of the space ship that runs cargo mission through folded space, the obvious problem that since you are traveling within just a few m/s of the speed of light just walking on the ship while underway causes color shift - thus redshift.

I read that Stith has a physic degree and worked as an Engineer for NORAD Cheyenne mountain. That made me really interested in what novel he would come up with.

mgl 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Looks impressive and very interesting, signed up to review and compare with Teradata/Netezza.

Can we run more complex in-database processes implemented as stored procedures on this platform or is it going to be limited to pure SQL querying/analytics?

And does anyone have an idea how to upload 1 TB of data to this service using Internet connection from your in-house company server? ;)

polskibus 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I cannot find information on whether Redshift supports queries in MDX. Lots of DWs today are run on Microsoft SQL Server Analysis Services and its MDX spec is now supported by several DW vendors. MDX support would mean it would be easy to switch the DW engine and leave your visualisation suite (or Excel, what the hell) and make it for an easy switch to the cloud - you'd just pick a different data source in your tool.
alexatkeplar 11 hours ago 0 replies      
This looks awesome - we'll definitely be plugging SnowPlow into this.
hntldr_com 11 hours ago 0 replies      
summary: Amazon Redshift is a fast and powerful, fully managed, petabyte-scale data warehouse service in the cloud. Amazon Redshift offers you fast query performance when analyzing virtually any size data set using the same SQL-based tools and business intelligence applications you use today. With a few clicks in the AWS Management Console, you can launch a Redshift cluster, starting with a few hundred gigabytes of data and scaling to a petabyte or more, for under $1,000 per terabyte per year.
baltcode 12 hours ago 1 reply      
So is this the Amazon clone of Google's Spanner?
Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429 cnet.com
91 points by prostoalex  5 hours ago   87 comments top 18
nhashem 4 hours ago 3 replies      
From the administration's response:

"As a part of immigration reform, the Administration strongly supports legislation to attract and retain foreign students who graduate with advanced STEM degrees, to establish a start-up visa for foreign-born entrepreneurs to start businesses and create jobs, and to reform the employment-based immigration system to better meet the needs of the U.S. economy. However, the Administration does not support narrowly tailored proposals that do not meet the President's long-term objectives with respect to comprehensive immigration reform."

Essentially this bill "converts" the 55,000 "diversity visas" currently available into "STEM visas."

It looks like this bill originated from the Republican party, so I'm wondering why they didn't just write a bill that allocated additional STEM visas without "cannibalizing" the diversity visas.

seldo 4 hours ago 1 reply      
As a recent immigrant myself -- I got my green card last week, after a 5-year application process, and I'm one of the lucky ones -- I'm a huge fan of immigration reform. However, this is not the bill to do it. The 55,000 diversity visas are an essential part of how immigration should work: there should be more of them, not less. While we need more STEM educated immigrants, it should not be at the expense of other visa types.
sharkweek 4 hours ago 1 reply      
The White House response is worth a quick read (PDF --- http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislativ...).

I spent the majority of my undergrad studying immigration policy, and I can sympathize with the WH's point that chipping away at immigration reform will only complicate broader reforms that eventually need to happen. The bill as written sounds a little unfair as it removes thousands of diversity visas and allows the educated a quick jump to the front of the line.

I understand economically why this would be desirable, but it isn't true reform.

ajays 4 hours ago 2 replies      
On the other hand: does the glut of tech workers drive down wages? If you strictly look at it from a supply/demand angle, one could argue that if these companies wanted more techies, they could just pay more. Being able to increase supply at will (i.e. import techies) will naturally drive down prices (i.e. wages).

The same argument is made about illegal immigration: these immigrants fill low-end jobs that don't pay well; but their availability ensures that these jobs will never pay well.

Please don't get me wrong: I'm not opposed to immigration or this bill.I'm just asking about the impact; I'm not taking sides, so no flames please.

psychotik 4 hours ago 0 replies      
As a legal immigrant who has been in the country for 12 years and still waiting for a green card, I'm willing to accept that the administration will reject this bill if and only if it makes good on its promise for comprehensive reform. I also oppose the idea of cannibalizing the diversity visas - that seems to go against the spirit of the foundation of America's origins.
temphn 4 hours ago 4 replies      
What is the argument for 55000 random visas at a time when the US economy is doing very poorly? Is this a game? US citizenship clearly has market value. Billions of dollars could be raised by turning these into entrepreneur visas or charging per visa (it's not like the US doesn't already do this, but the price is way too low).

If we're taxing current citizens, and we have 50% exit taxes, why not entry taxes? When demand exceeds supply increase the price.

001sky 4 hours ago 0 replies      
One reason it's controversial among Democrats is that the bill would eliminate the 55,000 diversity visas available to citizens of countries with low immigration rates to the United States.

-- Sticking point.

enraged_camel 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I think what is more important is that since this administration took over, rejection rates for skilled visa applications have skyrocketed.


As someone who has had to respond to two RFEs so far - once for my initial H1B application and once for my green card application, I get the feeling that I am not wanted in this country. I have seriously contemplated moving back overseas more than once.

deepGem 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I don't understand what's really wrong in diverting 55,000 visas from a random, unplanned allocation scheme (diversity) to a more metrics driven allocation scheme (education). How is this not 'true reform'?
eaurouge 2 hours ago 0 replies      
The diversity lottery is actually good immigration policy. Each year you take a sample of average or above average (applicants must have a high school education and no criminal history, and must pass some health tests as well; they must also show they will not be a burden to society once they get in) from countries around the world with historically low immigration rates to your country.

Essentially these are candidates that have self-selected as being willing to start anew in a new country, working hard to improve their lives in the process. In return, your culture is enriched and your economy is boosted by a fresh set of ambitious, hard-working 1st-generation immigrants. Some of these immigrants may go on to become engineers, teachers, doctors, cab drivers, entrepreneurs, nurses etc. But they won't drain your social safety net, they will contribute to it. They're here to work, to make up for lost time, and to make a better future for their offspring. As immigration policies go, I think this is one of the better ones.

zem 4 hours ago 0 replies      
> White House announcement before congressional vote on STEM Jobs Act puts president in opposition to many of the Silicon Valley firms and executives who bankrolled his re-election campaign.

it's sad that this was the point cnet chose to highlight as the subheading. bankrolling a politician's campaign should not create in him a sense of obligation.

marknutter 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm not sure it was a good idea to oppose this. It's essentially the republicans saying "We don't want to let any more people in the country, but of the people we are letting in, we prefer the highly educated". In a time when countries like China are graduating 50k engineers a year, you'd think being choosy about who you let into the country would make sense. And I don't see how signing this hurts the Democrats' long term plan for immigration reform. I assume that involves bringing more people into the country, so ok, bring more in later when the economy recovers. Not compromising on this bill setting a bad precedence for any compromise that may happen in the future.
tymathews 4 hours ago 0 replies      
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Pres. Obama deported more immigrants his first term than Bush.
dmk23 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I hope all the Obama supporters here still feel good about helping re-elect the man.

Rest assured he is still going to support amnesty for unskilled illegals who are more likely to vote Democrat for years to come.

EDIT: It is pretty funny how the downvoters fail to acknowledge the basic facts about the politics of the issue and instead fall for the Administration's excuses and rush to condemn "conspiracy theories". There are no theories here, just basic facts.

antidoh 1 hour ago 0 replies      
If they're not going to let foreigners educated in US universities stay, then they shouldn't let foreigners take up space in universities. It makes no sense to make the seat available with no possibility of intellectual payback.
drpgq 4 hours ago 0 replies      
IEEE-USA is for this bill? I always thought they were in the camp that this drives down tech wages and promotes ageism.
ck2 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Remember the house likes to do the opposite of what he wants.

Too bad he didn't want single payer.

gsibble 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Sweet, delicious irony....
Linguist claims that English Is a Scandinavian language uio.no
113 points by mikeleeorg  10 hours ago   90 comments top 22
tokenadult 10 hours ago 1 reply      
I have studied linguistics, German, and Norwegian. (I used to live with a roommate during my undergraduate studies who insisted on maintaining a Norwegian-speaking household.) My oldest son the hacker has studied the same languages, as well as Chinese, all of which are family heritage languages for us. I don't buy this press release. English was heavily influenced by Norse, for sure, but at its core it is part of the West Germanic branch of Germanic languages, rather than the North Germanic branch that includes Scandinavian.

[Edit to take into account that the source link has been changed, and thus improved, on this submission.]

timc3 48 minutes ago 0 replies      
Almost totally and utterly nonsensical sensationalist link bait, in the fact that languages are far more complicated than just those simple examples.

I am English (from near Anglo-Cornish/Somerset area), have lived in Norway (Bergen where they speak mainly Bokmål) and now live in Stockholm (obviously in Sweden, where they speak Swedish), and live with and understand the differences, plus I have spent some time learning the history of my mother tongue and the history of those countries.

Lets face it the the grammer structure is different, its the first thing an English person has to learn when learning Scandinavian languages. English heavily borrows from other languages. Swedish heavily borrows from French - there was a King who was obsessed with France and everything french, some Norwegian words are from Sweden. English borrows French words heavily for obvious reasons.

Bokmål adopted words from those countries that they traded with and he doesn't even expand into the different languages and dialects that used to be in the Norway that Nynorsk tried to consolidate.

The fact is that these languages have changed and are constantly changing based on trade, fashion, rule and migration and to singly say that English is a Scandinavian Language is at best trying to make a name for yourself and at worst ignorance of history.

kmfrk 8 hours ago 3 replies      
Can I just say on a related note that I'm chuffed to bits to see interesting linguistics stories make it to the frontpage? No linkbait, no inane Silicon Valley inside baseball, and all that usual stuff.
skrebbel 41 minutes ago 1 reply      
I'm curious, I'm absolutely no expert in the field of linguistics, but it appears that linguists insist that the hierarchy of language families is a strict tree [1]. In OO terms, that there's no multiple inheritance.

Really, how unlikely could that be? Why can't English be both North and West Germanic?

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_family "A family is a monogenetic unit; that is, all its members derive from a common ancestor, and all attested descendants of that ancestor are included in the family."

kylebgorman 6 hours ago 1 reply      
It's just not true that syntactic borrowing is that uncommon (google it). That means that the historically documented prolonged contact between Scandinavians and the English had some effect on the grammar. No surprise there. Since syntactic borrowing is not uncommon in contact situations, it's a bad way to tell what language is descended from what other languages, so this proposal isn't off to a good start.

You can strand prepositions (or verb particles, as we'd call them when they're not heads of clauses) in final position in German, contrary to their claim: Er stellt es auf "he sets it up".

Off the top of my head I can name many ways that Scandinavian and English differ syntactically (forgive the jargon: you can Google it). 1) Many Scandinavian languages maintain a form of V2, where tensed main verb appears in 2nd position (defined syntactically); English lost it in the Middle English period. 2) Scandinavian lacks do-support (the presence of a dummy tensed auxiliary in certain contexts: "I don't want it", "Do you know?", etc.) where English has it. 3) Some Scandinavian languages have V-to-T movement (where temporal adverbs occur before verbs); English lost that a long time ago.

bitops 8 hours ago 5 replies      
I am a native Danish speaker (my first language) and this article definitely rings true to me. I wouldn't go so far as to say that English is a Scandinavian language proper, but it was very easy to learn growing up.

Even as a kid growing up in Denmark, with all the British/American shows on TV (not dubbed) it was easy to learn a lot just by reading subtitles and following along. I give Saturday morning cartoon re-runs a lot of credit for helping me to learn. I remember sitting on a train with a friend of mine and us both realizing that we both knew a lot of English a year before we were going to start learning it in school.

I've found that most Scandinavians (or at least Danes) have a pretty easy time with English. Because the sentence structures are so similar, you're mostly plugging in English words that you're already familiar with and using the same sentence.

That said, on a deeper level, English is a very different language. That's most likely because it is such a cross between other languages.

BjoernKW 7 hours ago 2 replies      
Having studied linguistics I'd say the claim is sensationalist rather than sensational. English is a rather wild crossbreed of many European languages, all of which share the same Indo-European roots.

Old English is very closely related to Old Frisian and Low German. Later on English has been heavily influenced by Scandinavian, Romance (mainly French due the Norman invasion in 1066 - Norman French to be specific, which differed quite a bit from Île-de-France French at that time) and Gaelic languages to some extent.

You'll find salient features of any of these language roots but that doesn't make English a Romance or Gaelic language for instance, it's just that it has been influenced by those and hence adopted grammatical features.

The main reason for this is that Great Britain before the times of the British Empire was one of the most contested places in Europe.

Finally, some of the claims in this article are somewhat inaccurate. There were no Scandinavians and British people at that time, 'Danes' and 'Anglo-Saxons' would have been the correct terms.

I also have a problem with the claim that Norwegians find it easy to learn English because their languages are so closely related. The same has been said about Dutch not long ago.

jfaucett 10 hours ago 3 replies      
interesting article. This assertion does go against the last 200 years or so (since the Grimm Brothers) of thought about the origins of the English language. I'm not an expert but I did major in linguistics and have studied the history of the english language in some depth.

For me, the strongest points this new proposal has are the syntactical features that scandinavian and modern english share. Syntactical features i.e. sentence structure being adopted from one language to another is very very rare and when it does occur it happens at a much slower rate. There are a couple week points in the theory though. #1 and the article admits this, Old English is West Germanic. #2 Chaucer's english is vastly different from Old English but I don't think anyone would say its a completely new Language, there are too many similarities, shared vocabularies, etc, this has until now led everyone to believe modern english discends from old english and was mingled up with scandinavian and then norman french.

Also, almost all the syntactical similarities the article shows have to do with the split verb that modern english doesn't have. In german "ich habe gestern lange gearbeitet" is in English literally : "I have yesterday long worked" but translated should be "I worked a long time yesterday" . I think they'd need to give support that the split verb didn't die out, (which is kind of suggested in the texts of chaucer and his predecessors), but rather was something that never existed b/c the "original" language, in this case scandinavian, never had them in the first place.

oofabz 3 hours ago 1 reply      
It's not sensational to claim that English is Scandinavian. German and English are both descended from Norse, so they are both Scandinavian if you go back 1500 years.

What this linguist is saying is that modern English is more Scandinavian than Old English. But Old English was never spoken throughout the island, back then many British inhabitants spoke Norse! So I am not surprised that over time, they standardized on a language halfway between Old English and Norse.

Middle English developed around 1100. Take a look at this map of languages circa 900:


jchrisa 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I've been teaching myself Danish (a little) and this rings true to me. Mostly Danish feels like English but with different pronunciation, and occasional non-cognates. Danish certainly feels closer to modern English than German does.
charonn0 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Given the location and history of England, English is probably the biggest mutt of the Indo-European family.
teyc 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm of Chinese descent watching my children grow up in Australia is interesting. While they speak Chinese, they tend to think in English. This means that their sentence structure is totally messed up (from a Chinese standpoint).

Perhaps a similar thing happened in England. The vocabulary is Germanic, but the syntax is Norse.

curiousdannii 4 hours ago 0 replies      
This really isn't a sensational claim -- English has long been called a creole!


sramsay 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I didn't study linguistics, but I'm an English professor and my first thought was of Beowulf -- an Anglo-Saxon poem that takes place entirely in Scandinavia. Grendel, in fact, lives in Denmark.
IanDrake 5 hours ago 0 replies      
While watching the English subtitled "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" I was surprised by how many time I didn't need to read the subtitles.

Obviously I'm have no knowledge of linguistics, but maybe there's something to this theory.

jonsterling 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Let's not forget that Old English also puts prepositions at the ends of sentences! That's not a valid argument for a claim of closer affinity toward Scandinavian than Old English.
wololo 8 hours ago 0 replies      
stcredzero 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This is why we think German and Dutch to sound quaint and love the Swedish Chef from the Muppets.
Svip 7 hours ago 2 replies      
Estonians have an easy time too,[1] learning English apparently. So clearly English is also a Finno-Ugric language.

[1] Based on the fact that almost all Estonian youth (16 - 26 years old) can speak English properly.

anthonyu 8 hours ago 3 replies      
It's an interesting argument; however I am a little dissuaded by the fact that half of the support for the claims of similar syntax between Norwegian and English (split infinitives and placing a preposition at the end of a sentence) are generally considered poor grammar in English.
mcmire 7 hours ago 1 reply      
So if English is derived from Middle English which arose when the existing inhabitants of the British Isles took on the language of the newly arrived Scandinavians... where did Old English come from?
jon6 9 hours ago 2 replies      
This is the most useless academic 'discovery' I've ever seen. Am I wrong?
Announcing Google Drive Site Publishing googleappsdeveloper.blogspot.com
37 points by rnicholson  6 hours ago   11 comments top 4
TillE 4 hours ago 0 replies      
It's not quite as convenient as copying a public link in Dropbox, but you can just copy and paste the unique id string from the share link, like:




And it works.

arikrak 4 hours ago 3 replies      
It's funny. I spent a while yesterday trying to find a free easy and secure way for anyone to publish static websites, but couldn't find anything that was like the Dropbox public folder option. And now Google comes out with this...

I guess I'll have to update my post http://www.zappable.com/2012/11/the-zappable-guide-to-findin...

stc043 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Are custom domains supported ? .Like github?
nick32m 4 hours ago 1 reply      
To me this doesn't sound very exciting. To publish static website/contents programatically , why would i bother use this and not Github pages? It's easier and more programmers friendly too, since it's git.
Announcing HashiCorp (a Company for Vagrant) hashicorp.com
183 points by Argorak  15 hours ago   56 comments top 13
mitchellh 14 hours ago 10 replies      
I'm here to answer any questions, if you have them. I'm really excited!

Fun fact, I first "launched" Vagrant on HN almost exactly 1000 days ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1175901

orangethirty 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Use a backpacker for the mascot. It matches what the product does better. Homeless people dont have much stuff. Backpackers have and take their stuff everywhere. Which is the spirit of what you are doing. Have your stuff avaiable everywhere. So, a backpacker.
paulsmith 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Can the first order of business be a renaming so the mascot of a useful and widely-used product isn't a homeless person?
lixef 8 hours ago 1 reply      
Congratulations first!
As I've been reading your tweets I've been guessing that you would starting, which focuses you on Vagrant.

I have a few questions:
When did you think about the first time and when did you really decide to do this step?
How do you start? Bootstrap it by your own or try to go with for a VC?
How are you planning the addon open source/paid addon ratio will be like?

I wish you all the best for your company.
And because I've been using Vagrant every day: Thank you very much.

trotsky 14 hours ago 0 replies      
good luck! vagrant seems to fit a sweet spot in real world configuration management needs. i look forward to a future independent of oracle.
kanwisher 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Any plans for helping unit test vm creation? One of the biggest problems I've had is trying to verify that my Chef installation works after each change
minikomi 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Just a heads up: Your favicon is almost identical to http://gree-corp.com/ , big social game maker in Japan.
shizcakes 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Where can I go to find more information about Vagrant's plans for supporting more hypervisors than Virtualbox?
ecspike 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Came here to say hi and congrats Mitchell. Was fun hanging out in CZ, we should do it again, this time, stateside.
dreamdu5t 13 hours ago 2 replies      
Vagrant is a VirtualBox with a bunch of packages pre-installed? Am I correct?
Hupo 12 hours ago 0 replies      
Congrats! I should probably get around to actually testing Vagrant one of these days too...

Also, the website looks absolutely gorgeous. Fantastic work there.

ukd1 14 hours ago 0 replies      
Congratulations and best of luck Mitchell!
heyadam 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Congrats! Looking forward to see how Vagrant grows over the next couple years.
New York City celebrates day without violent crime bbc.co.uk
10 points by Zenst  2 hours ago   discuss
The Series A crunch is hitting now. Have we even noticed? pandodaily.com
85 points by sethbannon  11 hours ago   51 comments top 17
sami36 6 hours ago 4 replies      
Can I make a somewhat contrarian prediction. Feel free to trash it. I'd like to hear where I went haywire with my assumptions.

1- The real glut is an abundance of capital. With interest rates depressed & a stock market fairly valued, & that's not counting the immense wealth generated in other parts of the world by the commodity bubble. There are very few remaining outlets for productive capital. Say what you want about the valley now, it's still a great investment destination/asset class.

2- If the returns on the seed side start to dip. What would stop stop seed investors to graduate & become (smaller) VCs. After all, Investing is their trade, they're not going anywhere.Slowly, by capillarity, Seed investors will become series A, Series A will rise to being series B...& so forth. With the 500 investor limit being lifted. Maybe IPOs are going to be pushed even further down the cycle..until profitability is established & business models flushed out.

3- Crowd-funding is only getting started. It'lll get worse (kickstarter awareness growing, slowly but surely displacing game publishers for example.) & with the imminent enacting of the JOBS act, even more money will flood the Valley, just look at what AngelList, FundersClub, CircleUp are doing even before the law takes effect. All of this results in capital that's being displaced & that's going to look for new outlets.

4-Startup capital needs are collapsing. ( Exhibit A :Amazon announcement today.) Bootstrapping wil soon become a viable option (Just how much would you need to recreate Instagram today.)

What if we're witnessing a strategic & irreversible shift in favor of entrepreneurs & an expansion of innovation centers beyond northern California . Money after all is a commodity, it's a miracle that a particular geography & an investor class were able to quasi-monopolize the world's innovation for the last 15 years.

il 9 hours ago 3 replies      
I don't see any reason for the doom and gloom here.
Series A funding isn't a lottery with a random 1 in 5 chance. The 80% of companies struggling to raise Series A are the ones without meaningful revenue or user traction. Why do they deserve to get funded?

A $1M seed round should be more than enough to get a SaaS business cash flow positive or get a consumer product to a meaningful user base. If you have failed to get there on a seed round, the answer isn't "give me more money", it's "the market is telling you to try something else".

$1M can be 2 years of runway. That's a long time to figure out what you need to do to get to product-market fit.

Most successful businesses don't have anywhere near that level of funding and are still able to make money on more constrained resources.

famousactress 6 hours ago 1 reply      
This smells like probably-awesome news. Less bullshit spending dollars that can go to not-bullshit... more talent to hire for companies better-prepared to make a serious go of it.
guimarin 9 hours ago 0 replies      
What I find most interesting were Maples comments on only about 10 'good' companies a year. If I think about the early majority and late majority segments, this makes a lot of sense to me. Friends in those segments are just barely starting to use and understand Instagram, let alone, transportation start-up X. I wonder if we're at a point where good ideas don't work simply because the market is up against the we-can-only-learn-so-many-new-things-per-year wall. Of course that would be born out by a lack of series A's for those companies. Right idea, wrong time. Makes you kinda want people to open source their failures, so that in the future, you already have a place to start from on an 'old' idea.
pclark 10 hours ago 2 replies      
This is a pretty dramatic article. I think I have read other articles on pandodaily where it feels like the author is told "to write a story on x and how it is bad" and then they shoe horn words to make it so. (for example the VCs having smaller angel funds.)

Has anyone ever " in recent memory " declared that raising a Series A was anything other than challenging? Not only this, but people have been saying "it's going to get really bad in 6 months" for years at this point.

And it kind of makes sense. If you're a $250M venture fund, why not throw $250K cheques around and see what sticks: but then if you're going to put a partner on the board of a company you're going to judge this company very very closely.

I'd hope that if investors actually believe there are companies worthy of raising an A round and unable to due to a lack of funds, someone would start the appropriate positioned fund.

jsherry 9 hours ago 2 replies      
"Hands down the people who are most concerned about this trend are the angel investors."

Wrong. This is not an investor's problem. This is an entrepreneur's problem. The angels and VCs will shake this off as all of the combined seed dollars invested over the past couple of years are a relative fart in the wind compared to the greater startup investing arena, which doesn't become really capital-intensive until at least the Series A, and more often Series B stages.

It's the entrepreneurs who are (or at least should be) most concerned. Not the investors.

Edit: here's some cold, hard stats on the Seed VC phenomenon witnessed as of late: https://www.cbinsights.com/blog/venture-capital/seed-investm.... Seed investing continues to be a very real, growing trend, and yes - many startups will be left in the dust come Series A time.

ajaymehta 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I wonder if this is a one-size-fits-all phenomenon. Is this "crunch" happening to every startup, or is it more concentrated on a specific type of company?

It reminded me of the Fred Wilson post a few days ago (http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2012/11/what-has-changed.html), which makes me think it might be more of a problem for consumer startups than enterprise/B2B.

001sky 7 hours ago 1 reply      
“The tech industry creates roughly 10 awesome companies per year,” he says. “That's independent of how much money VCs have or how many companies funded. There are 10 awesome companies a year, and they will get funded. It's pretty simple.” He says if a company is going to be successful you can see it in 18 to 36 months. If you don't, that company simply shouldn't get to take up any more of the Valley's rich resources " whether that's talent or people. Sorry.

-- The Finite theory of invention. Or appeciation.

Pwnguinz 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Something I've been curious about that wasn't entirely discussed, but briefly touched upon in the article:
Convertible notes are normally assigned some value upon a more 'official' valuation being made by some VC firm. What happens, then, if the company generates enough cashflow to bootstrap their way to profitability and ends up not needing nor taking VC money?

How are the initial convertible notes valuated and equity assigned, in this case?

salimmadjd 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Isn't this just a simple supply and demand issue? With the cost and barrier to starting a startup becoming so low and abundance of incubators and accelerators there are so many startups who are chasing the same Series A funding. So every VC is looking for the next DropBox or AirBnB to invest.
w1ntermute 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Timothee 8 hours ago 3 replies      
"What used to be an obelisk is now becoming a pyramid."

Off-topic, but what does this mean? (curious non-native speaker)

eduardordm 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Maybe we are reaching a point where we have more solutions than problems that can be solved with just with apps in general. Maybe this is why hardware is getting more attention.
unohoo 7 hours ago 0 replies      
"What used to be an obelisk is now becoming a pyramid."

-- One of the best analogies I've heard in a long time

biznickman 5 hours ago 0 replies      
It's not a big deal: startups are supposed to fail. Fortunately for most of the failed entrepreneurs, they'll be able to get a job at one of the countless startups that aren't failing :)
rohamg 2 hours ago 0 replies      
to be honest I haven't seen this. the lessons are same as always: stay lean, stick to the customer, iterate to market fit. if you do all three of those things your seed investors are quite likely to back you again (if you chose wisely among seed investors!), giving you more time to find that market fit. there's always growth capital available for companies that have found market fit.

so, yes - there are many companies flaming out, but those companies would have flamed out anyway. for good companies with good teams, i'm seeing multiple "seed" rounds which sometimes add up to what would be considered a pretty healthy series a. any of those folks if they're worth their salt will back you again (at the same valuation if need be), as long as you fullfil all other expectations, giving you plenty of time to achieve product market fit, at which you bring in multiple VCs, bid up to high valuations, and lock in the gains for your team, angels + early seed investors.

with the increasing ubiquity of angellist and ramp up of crowd-funding activity, there will be tons of capital for some time to come. is it hard to raise follow-on financing? fuck yeah. who said it had to be easy? was it "easy" to get that first check?

the real story/"news" in all of this is that the combination of readily available risk capital with the dramatic increase in capital efficiency by companies means that many, many successful companies will be created, grown to profitability, and exited without any participation from a non-seed VC.

itsprofitbaron 8 hours ago 0 replies      
The fact that companies aren't going to Series A is because they're raising more in Seed funding & the ones which are going to Series A are ones which investors are doubling down because, those Seed investments have worked & they don't want to waste their resources.
British aerospace company claims biggest engine advance since the jet reuters.com
189 points by james_ash  16 hours ago   92 comments top 22
jws 15 hours ago 1 reply      
The BBC article, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20510112 has some nice explanatory graphics.

It appears they are using a liquid nitrogen boiler to chill a helium loop through their heat exchanger and in turn chill the air.

So, perhaps someone better at these calculations can help out, cooling incoming air by 160°C by moving nitrogen from -195°C to -15°C is going to require them to haul up liquid nitrogen and cool a bunch of atmospheric nitrogen that they don't really need. The heat of vaporization is the key that will make their solution win, but by what factor? How many grams of nitrogen must they haul to chill a gram of atmospheric oxygen?

starpilot 11 hours ago 3 replies      
This is just rocket-based combined-cycle propulsion that has been proposed and studied by various organizations over the years.




The concept is not new, but Reaction is probably the closest to a commercial implementation. Also, it's not fair to compare it to the jet when RBCC isn't a fundamentally novel form of propulsion, just a combination of existing ones (like a car that is both gas and electric propelled). This is not something that could supplant the jet.

Some people are comparing this to SpaceX's pure-rocket approach. Up until yesterday, SpaceX and Scaled were working on their own type of combined-cycle launch with Stratolaunch: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/stratolaunch-and-s.... The difference is that the jet and rocket would be separate vehicles instead of fitting into one nacelle. It'd have some of the advantages of using air as propellant as with a RBCC engine, but easier to design I think.

mtgx 16 hours ago 8 replies      
Elon Musk was specifically asked about this technology when he was at Martin School last week. He didn't hear about it, but he seemed skeptical that it would work better than rockets. His response here:


SpaceX might still be the first one with a re-usable rocket if they finish the Raptor engine in 3 years. Plus, his could actually be used to land on Mars, while this can only be useful where you still have atmosphere and oxygen - so only for launches to orbit.

But it's great to see more private companies competing in this area. And even if nothing comes out of it for space travel, it might still turn out be a useful technology for airplanes.

robomartin 14 hours ago 2 replies      
The MAGLEV Launcher.



Using MAGLEV as a launch assist technology to offset the amount of energy derived from burning tons and tons of fuel. Some of the articles estimate a potential to increase payload by 80% compared to a conventionally launched rocket.

If you want to get a little deeper into it, this is a good read:


Some fun data points:

    Power for large scale system: 10GW for 20 seconds. 
Thermal Management system capable of dissipating 40GJ.

What's the probability of this ever being built? In the US, my guess is zero. I could see the Chinese throwing money behind such a crazy project if the numbers make any sense at all. If a system like this can significantly reduce cost to orbit it could represent a huge competitive advantage.

timthorn 16 hours ago 1 reply      
Unfortunate title here - British Aerospace was involved in the project some years ago, but Reaction Engines is a distinct company and I believe they exist despite BAe's "assistance"
Gravityloss 9 hours ago 1 reply      
The problem with these advanced technologies is two fold

1. it requires a large amount of hydrogen - which is not heavy so it looks good on paper but is very cold and voluminous, meaning you need huge insulated tanks. They are expensive to build, have bad mass fraction and are aerodynamically problematic. Hydrogen is also expensive to handle in systems and infrastructure.

2. the dry mass of an air breathing engine sucks because they process gases (rockets process liquids with 1000x density), though SABRE is better than stuff like scramjets. This is especially bad for an SSTO like they are proposing since you carry the inlets and precoolers and all that all the way to orbit.

My bet for cheap spaceflight would be a two stage kerosene-oxygen rocket. A SABRE engine might make a great first stage but I doubt if you would want to carry it to orbit. I haven't performed much calculations though.

bernardom 16 hours ago 5 replies      
From the article: "The company has deliberately avoided filing patents on its heat exchanger technology to avoid details of how it works - particularly the method for preventing the build-up of frost - becoming public."

I would think that for something like this, the patent system would actually work fine. Anybody who tries to make this is going to be located in the US, Canada, Western Europe, or Japan. It's not like they're going to make cheap ones in China and India, and if they did it would be easily correctable with the WTO. What am I missing?

nicholassmith 16 hours ago 0 replies      
I think the first article I read about Sabre was on HN so it's nice to see it getting followed up.

The technology sounds like it's progressing, even if parts of it are still heavily conceptual, and getting a sign off from the ESA is quite a big step (even if certain space company founders have dissed them recently). The last I read was they were struggling to find funding, which is on one hand utterly surprising as if it works properly then it's got the potential to revolutionise travel and who wouldn't like to say "yeah, I put money in before they were famous", and on the other isn't a surprise at all as the returns are probably a decade out.

Still, I wait patiently and optimistically for when Britain is showing everyone that whilst we were slow off the mark on the space race we aren't out of it yet.

tzs 14 hours ago 1 reply      
> This core piece of technology solves one of the constraints that limit jet engines to a top speed of about 2.5 times the speed of sound, which Reaction Engines believes it could double

Is that 2.5 times the speed of sound limit just for jets at low altitude? At high altitude it is certainly not true. Both the SR-71 and MiG 25 did well over Mach 3.

peterstjohn 16 hours ago 1 reply      
Here's a documentary that was broadcast on BBC4 a couple of months ago about Bond and his quixotic journey to get HOTOL/Skylon into the sky:


It includes a test-firing of the new heat-exchanger at the end.

milliams 16 hours ago 0 replies      
joonix 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Personally I'm always more intrigued by the prospect of getting around the world quicker. Making the world a smaller place, and more accessible to all, would do wonders for humanity.
tsotha 9 hours ago 1 reply      
I don't see where this technology "fits". When you're going to orbit, 90% of the flight takes place outside the atmosphere, so an air-breathing engine doesn't do much for you.

For commercial sub-orbital hops, they'll have to bring the cost down considerably to compete with existing air service. Sure, we'd all love to be able to go from NYC to Frankfurt in an hour. But how many people will pay ten thousand dollars for the privilege?

east2west 13 hours ago 0 replies      
I wonder how this will impact air travel. It is a real shame that after Concord retired there is no supersonic jetliner in service, which at least
kept the dream alive even if Concord is expensive and short legged. I believe no viable program exists right now for supersonic jetliners. The problem, if I recall correctly from my aerospace professor, is not the jet engine's thrust but heat generated from friction with air. If this Sabre engine can get the airplane mostly out of atmosphere cheaply, heat problem can be alleviated. I don't know how practical my guess is, but
if it works, the market potential is immense.
quattrofan 14 hours ago 0 replies      
This guy has been at this in various forms for 30 years. Amazing story and for once not completely fucked up by the British Govt, unlike our aerospace industry after WWII that was world leading.
afterburner 16 hours ago 1 reply      
I'll maybe believe it when I learn more. That it's an idea on paper only means it's way too early to tell. I'm also wondering if they are relying on exotic building materials being developed in the future for this to work, like a previous expensive but failed US space-plane program.
tocomment 16 hours ago 3 replies      
Does anyone have guesses on how the heat exchanger might work to prevent frost?

Perhaps ultrasound?

colinshark 9 hours ago 0 replies      
"The company has deliberately avoided filing patents on its heat exchanger technology to avoid details of how it works - particularly the method for preventing the build-up of frost - becoming public."

Evidence that the main use case for patents - protecting true innovation and development - does not even need the patent system.

lazyjones 14 hours ago 1 reply      
This is great news, but it also makes me a bit sad - because all this innovation died down in the 80's when everyone lost interest in the space race. We could be 30 years further down the road already and many of us probably won't live to see people setting foot on Mars.
sek 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I was skeptic about them so far, I would love to be proven wrong here.
Killah911 16 hours ago 2 replies      
Sounds like quite a disruptive innovation in the aerospace industry. Always wondered how much it cost to get innovations like this off the ground. $400m funding round sounds pretty serious...
caycep 15 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm sure some of you chuckleheads are going to figure out how to use this to OC some poor unassuming Ivy Bridge CPU...
Amazon Web Services Drops S3 Storage Service Pricing About 25% techcrunch.com
134 points by beingpractical  14 hours ago   22 comments top 7
rkalla 5 hours ago 0 replies      
As a quick FYI, I see in the comments below people comparing s3 pricing to the likes of a VPS instance storage from XYZ hosting company.

Given that you have no redundancy with that storage you could save an addition 30% and use reduced redundancy storage in s3 which still provides redundancy to a second AZ (just not all of them or across regions in the odd case of US Standard)

ck2 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I wonder if dreamobjects being S3 api compatible and only 7 cents helped force the price decrease.

What I like about dreamobjects is no charge for get/put requests which can really add up with many small items being publicly hosted.

Maybe there's a remote chance of Amazon dropping "put" charges but I doubt they will drop "get" charges.

Ah I see Google dropped their fees first earlier this week so that was probably the pressure point. I thought Google came afterwards.

sarah2079 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I really like that I can trust Amazon to keep AWS prices reasonable. I have used both AWS and App Engine, and while I love App Engine for ease of use, the pricing changes still make me feel skittish about using it for big projects even though they happened a year ago.
bitops 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I believe the 'economies of scale' argument, but I also imagine that this move is related to the RedShift announcement. If Amazon wants users to use their offering for data warehousing and analytics, they'll need lots of cheap storage for hosting the data.
alexpopescu 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Google reduces prices with 20%... Amazon with 25%. Game on!
zrail 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Is this just storage or is it transfer as well?
sixQuarks 11 hours ago 2 replies      
Sorry for my ignorance, but the pricing is a bit confusing for me. Let's say I have 1 GB of files, and I do 1 Terrabyte of downloads per month, how much would I pay?
Google Drops Pricing On Cloud Storage by 20% techcrunch.com
95 points by pajju  12 hours ago   25 comments top 4
jtchang 10 hours ago 5 replies      
Does anyone else have a bad taste in their mouth from Google App Engine and as such is wary of using Google services over Amazon?

It is probably irrational since App Engine has come a long way but I remember how Google generally treated their customers early on who were trying to adopt to their platform.

rgarcia 11 hours ago 1 reply      
The competition Google is putting up in this space reminds me of a Ben Horowitz quote from Startup School (paraphrased):

You have to have a 10x better product to beat established competition.

Compute Engine has a long way to go to be 10x better than AWS. For most (including me) it's not just about storage and CPU units, it's things like VPC, SES, IAM, etc.

hosay123 11 hours ago 1 reply      
It seems Google's sole contribution to the PAAS wars is to keep Amazon's pricing in check. Does anyone here actually use Compute Engine? With Google's customer support story, I couldn't touch it with a barge pole.

I was an early convert to App Engine, ran screaming from that mess after 2 years of waiting to see the light, there was no light.

stephengillie 12 hours ago 2 replies      
Is this a reactionary move in response to Amazon's new service and lower S3 pricing?
Facebook Makes It Official: You Have No Say dashes.com
90 points by phwd  12 hours ago   39 comments top 12
jmillikin 10 hours ago 2 replies      
The author's proposed solution is to give users the illusion of control, by adding a set of radio buttons to the settings dialog which claim to limit how "other people" can use a post. But the very strictest option is today's default, which people are protesting for being too permissive!

What people are actually asking for is a way to forbid Facebook itself from using or copying a post, which any technically- or legally-minded reader would interpret as forbidding Facebook from storing posts at all. Obviously most users don't actually want their account and posts to be deleted, but they're asking for just that, and become angry when Facebook does not comply.

If you are truly upset that a company somewhere is making money by hosting a service that you post your private life to, there are a couple simple solutions:

1) Find some registered non-profit with blog hosting (does this even exist?), and only post there.

2) Host your own site, set a password so only your friends can see it, and only post there.

3) Stop posting your private life online.

lukejduncan 8 hours ago 2 replies      
tl;dr: Any illusion of privacy on Facebook is just that: an illusion. Everyone needs to realize that in the privacy convo.

Four-ish years ago Facebook made all private profile pictures public. No warnings, no options. My girlfriend at the time (soon to be wife) and I weren't publicizing our relationship then because of serious cultural and religious issues that we knew we'd face when we told our parents. We didn't get to make that decision, because a picture of the two of us was her profile picture... one day it was private and the other it wasn't. This had a profound impact on my life in a very real way and has come to represent everything I expect of privacy on FB.

Anything you do on Facebook is owned by Facebook. It says so in ther TOS. If they wanted to make a Billboard out of an embarrassing conversation you had on the site they could. Any illusion of privacy is just that: an illusion. Zuckerberg an FB have been very open about the fact that they see privacy as a dead concept, and that everything should be share by default.

The sooner everyone realizes that there is no such thing as private data on FB the sooner we can approach the service on realistic terms.

danso 9 hours ago 1 reply      
FB's mistake was to even propose this voting scheme...I would think of all entities, they would be the first to know firsthand the worthlessness of quantity. How many users in the last week posted that stupid legal notice asserting rights over their content?

The real truth is that users in general have little concept of what they're giving over to Facebook. And even if FB made it dead easy to understand their TOS, the majority of FB users would still be clueless.

IIRC, one of the biggest controversies in FB's history was when it implemented the newsfeed. Apparently, users thought that if something was easier to find (i.e. not having to visit each person's page to see their latest activity), a sacrosanct privacy line had been crossed. And this was back when FB was mostly college students who, you know, are supposed to be in a state of constant learning and reading.

The news feed was FB's killer feature back then (compared to MySpace) and if it had been put to a vote, users would have undoubtedly quashed it. Is it any wonder why FB will never take users' concerns seriously?

To go back to the sham-legal-status-update thing that was being posted...it's just kind of sad that at this stage of the Information Age, the average person is still too lazy/too entitled/too dumb to look things up and think for themselves. FB may not be the "good guy" but to rehash the old Batman cliche, it seems to be the social network we deserve.

casca 10 hours ago 2 replies      
When people mock the Facebook share price and question their long-term sustainability, remember that they're in a position that no company has ever been in before. They are trying to monetize personal data that has been provided willingly. They'll always be walking a fine line of giving their users what they'd like and giving their customers what they'd like.

This is just Facebook trying something that is entirely consistent with their philosophy and historical trend.

iyulaev 11 hours ago 2 replies      
I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this. Facebook is a commercial service that aims to make money from advertising to its users. That is the goal. Keeping the info (that you willingly put up!) private is only important insofar as it doesn't upset users enough for them to leave. Experience has shown so far that the majority of users don't care enough about privacy to stop using their service. Furthermore I can't even think of any other commercial service providers that allow users to vote on their policies. Actions speak louder than words; if you want facebook to change its course, vote with your $ and your feet.
steve8918 10 hours ago 0 replies      
This seems like an overreaction. Facebook has a billion users, so trying to do things like encourage voting is a nice sentiment, but practically useless in my opinion.

It's better for the company to just do what they want, and if they overstep their bounds and if people don't like it, they'll leave, just like they did with MySpace and Friendster. And if people stay, then it means they don't care. People are allowed to have the right to not care what people do with their personal data. I personally care, so I would close my account, but I'm sure there are swathes of people that simply don't care.

shmerl 9 hours ago 1 reply      
It's ironic, that in the comments section of the article it says: Comment using... Facebook. Some other obscure options aren't helpful either. Why can't one comment using Mozilla Persona or OpenID? If someone is criticizing Facebook (very reasonably), but at the same time requires Facebook to comment, it sounds hypocritical in the least.

More on the subj itself - I'm not sure really what the author expected from FB. They don't care about users' privacy - period. I.e. they don't respect their users. If you don't appreciate it - quit using Facebook and use privacy respecting social networks.

Aqueous 4 hours ago 1 reply      
You do have a say. Stop using Facebook.
ck2 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Well you have one say. Don't use facebook.
wyclif 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Taking "off", not taking "of." Right in the first sentence, too.
lnanek2 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I don't understand the proposed solution. Hundreds of thousands ask for the default behavior, so the solution is to add a control so they can pick something other than the default behavior? A line of text on the privacy page, and maybe on the signup page, maybe with a little graphic to help it digest, seems a lot simpler to me.
frozenport 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I am told Facebook's mission is TO SERVE MAN.
How Reddit was created: ‘I wanted to make the world suck less' venturebeat.com
4 points by johnkoetsier  1 hour ago   1 comment top
dreamdu5t 17 minutes ago 0 replies      
What are we supposed to learn from this?

I love Reddit, but I find their story depressing. Everyone has fun personal projects that they make, but a lucky few will have them become wildly popular without much planning for reasons they can't foresee. I don't feel like I can learn anything from that, and it makes me feel very unlucky and that fate is largely out of my control.

Would the economy be better off without MBA students? economist.com
97 points by calpaterson  14 hours ago   67 comments top 20
MattRogish 10 hours ago 2 replies      
Having an MBA myself (nowhere near from a top-10 school, although friends who have gone to better schools report similar curricula) I don't see B-Schools teaching/reinforcing what it is to be a "manager".

I think the MBA does a disservice because it often either doesn't teach "people management" at all or (worse?) reinforces hard-core Taylorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_management#Taylor.27...). We get disastrous manage-by-the-numbers and "us vs. them" mentality, ultimately devaluing the role of the manager! If all you need to manage is a report that says how many widgets employee X made relative to compensation you can automate away most management.

Yes, under that definition (not all MBA programs are like that, but it seems the majority are), I think the MBA is bad for the US economy. It promotes underperformance, lack of innovation, and sucks up resources that could better be spent elsewhere.

Instead, they should teach Drucker-ism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Drucker) and Organizational Systems Theory (http://managementhelp.org/organizations/systems.htm).

Managers can and do amazing things by enabling their coworkers to scale better by:

* Removing roadblocks that get in their way

* Listen to, and allow employees to change and shape the culture

* Coach coworkers to improve skills and develop flow

* Help mentor and guide the organization as it scales up

Though, we need far fewer of them if we leave it to stuff like this. It allows organizations to be a lot flatter and scale better without dedicated managers, putting causing downward demand on managers so it seems something most MBA programs won't adopt. Still, it would prevent wholesale manager-bankruptcy that I envision is the future for the "managing" class in most businesses.

gojomo 12 hours ago 0 replies      
The MBA credential is but one special case of general 'degree pollution', overinvestment in credentials as relative-rank signalling. See for example this analysis:


As suggested there (including the author's expansions in the comments), when an activity confers private benefits but at a cost in negative externalities, a traditional economic/policy response is to tax the activity in proportion to its net externalities. So perhaps excessive upper-level/professional degrees should be taxed, rather than subsidized. (That is, tax the degrees themselves, not any consequential rise in income, if any.)

xaa 11 hours ago 5 replies      
This floored me:

"The professionalisation of management has, some argue, been the single biggest factor behind the economic advancements of the past 100 years."

Not electricity, rapid transportation, semiconductors/computers, telephones, the assembly line, or public investment in research. Professionalization of management. Mmkay.

tnuc 9 hours ago 0 replies      
On one of the toilet paper dispensers at my college someone had written;

"Pull for Arts Degree."

Underneath it someone else wrote.
"Wipe for Business Degree."

localhost3000 8 hours ago 0 replies      
so, i dropped out of Dean Danos' program just hours before moving to New Hampshire.

i have the utmost respect for his program and the people they admit - everyone i met seemed highly intelligent and extremely driven. it may yet be in my future. to anyone interested in an MBA - take a long look at Tuck. i was admitted to several elite schools and this one stood out to me. it felt the most like a family, which is what i wanted. for me, a poor 27 year old (relative to the typical MBA entrant) with a strong interest in early-stage technology, the arithmetic didn't make sense. i had a moment, late in the evening before leaving Boston for good, where i saw into a future in which i was saddled with extreme debt and forced to make decisions about where to work and what career to pursue based upon a pending loan payment rather than a passion. it would take several years post-mba to pay off the debt over which i'd begin adding expense to my life e.g. kids, house, marriage, car... i'd likely earn a great deal of money (by my measure) and i'd find myself in a strange mix of being stuck, due to circumstance, but also comfortable and content. i would pay my loans off but, would i realistically be willing/able to leave that lifestyle? the answer to me was clearly, "no." so, the choice was: take extreme risk now, when i have no baggage and next to nothing to lose or, take extreme risk never. i wasn't comfortable with the latter option. explaining this decision to my parents was a horrific experience.

guylhem 12 hours ago 4 replies      
Would the economy be better off without "insert the people you don't like here"

Film at 11.

Works with :
- politicians
- lawyers
- liberals
- libertarians
- communists
- the military industrial conglomerate

Also work with any minority or any ethnic group, although it may result in classifying you with a special tag which is generally frowned upon.

rickmode 8 hours ago 1 reply      
The oppositions opening remarks do not, in fact, refute the motion. Instead of talking about how MBA's benefit the economy as a whole he talks about how MBA's benefit the individuals who obtain an MBA degree.
gxs 12 hours ago 2 replies      
>> Similarly, demand for slots in the top programmes is extraordinarily competitive

This is something I picked out from the article in a quick skim. And sums it up pretty well.

If you can get into a top 10 business school, the consensus is it's worth it. If not, it may be wise to skip it.

As always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

thedufer 5 hours ago 1 reply      
> Free markets are generally good at determining value, and for decades the market for young business leaders has given a strong vote of confidence to the graduates of top MBA programmes.

The opposition's entire argument hinges on this one sentence, but they supply no evidence to refute the idea that this segment doesn't behave like a free market at all. As the moderator pointed out, there's no reason to believe that this is anything other than the effect of the "old boys' network".

The opposition needs to come at this from another angle - to show that an MBA gives advantage to the holder in such a way that it isn't clearly an effect of networking rather than learning. Unless they can do that, I will remain unconvinced. I will, however, admit that this a big ask. Performance of business leaders is difficult to measure in a meaningful way.

stephengillie 12 hours ago 2 replies      
This is the "IT certification" argument all over again. Paper MBAs are as useful as paper MCSEs. Who's more valuable to your startup, someone with a degree/certification learning about what you need, or someone with years of experience doing what you need?
krat0sprakhar 2 hours ago 0 replies      
There's another dimension to be looked at here - especially in India's case. I'm currently enrolled in a Bschool and my class mostly comprises of students from an engineering background. Most of them have joined an MBA program to switch careers. Their primary argument is that they were forced to do engineering and when they figured out that they'd rather be doing something else it was too late. Since none of them wanted to spend their early life debugging code for big IT company (read: TCS, infosys) they preferred to do an MBA program.
mitchi 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm surprised no one has said it. Experienced programmers should manage programmers, experienced professors should manage university affairs. Not a freakin MBA!
Let's have people learn how to do useful work. Then, the people who have the experience will be able to lead the others. We need more engineers, more computer scientists, more scientists. Not MBAs.


epa 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I think that MBA's teach a very valuable thing (also found in undergraduate commerce degrees): How to efficiently and effectively work with different types of people in teams.

No one ever addresses this issue when talking about the bad aspects of MBAs.

fudged71 11 hours ago 2 replies      
Very interesting debate format. I like it! Great way to combine the strengths of the internet with expert opinions.
noblethrasher 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Interesting comment on the problem of MBA programs: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2470694
wissler 12 hours ago 0 replies      
YES. More importantly, the economy would be better off without the reason why an MBA has some value -- too much government-induced bureaucratization.
Tloewald 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Wow, take that Betteridge's Law!
luk3thomas 11 hours ago 2 replies      
Solid advice from the comment section in the article:
"Major in business? Just read Business Week and the Economist every week and you'll pick up more than you will in a business program. Major in something worthwhile."
zalzane 9 hours ago 3 replies      
Of all the useless, worthless, pants-on-head retarded degrees out there, why have they chosen to rant on business degree?

At the very least, a business degree would be theoretically applicable for doing work in the real world. Why isn't this discussion about art, history, or political science majors?

simba007 11 hours ago 1 reply      
This question totally retarded and I'm incredulous that the economist entertained it. Would the economy be better without MBAs? Really? There are people out there who are trying to tell other people that the entire economy would be much better without a small group of people spending another couple of years at university learning more about business? A better question might be 'Would a startup be better off with out MBAs?' or something more specific. But to try and claim that the entire economy would be better off because a tiny proportion of young people decided to do a masters is incomprehensible. Disclaimer: I have an MBA.
WebTCP: Making TCP Connections From Browser artemyankov.com
41 points by yankoff  9 hours ago   28 comments top 8
cstejerean 8 hours ago 1 reply      
This is definitely a cool hack, but please be mindful of the security considerations of deploying something like this on the internet. Running an open proxy that allows any client to perform arbitrary TCP connections bouncing through your servers is a bad idea.

First, you need to worry about the security implications of each internal server that you expose intentionally. Just how much damage can someone with direct access to your Redis instance cause? Better read http://redis.io/topics/security, and repeat this for every other service you want to expose.

Second, you are going to effectively need a whitelist of allowed connections, either in the proxy, or at the firewall level (which most people are going to forget to configure, if they even know how). Without that you are going to allow arbitrary bypass of your firewall for internal services, as well as effectively running an open proxy for anyone looking to bounce their malicious traffic through your server.

chewxy 9 hours ago 4 replies      
So, TCP over HTTP, which is a protocol built on top of TCP. Does anyone see that this is rather silly?

If you want a client-side app that uses TCP, why must you do it over the web? The appeal of write-once-run-everywhere?

drblast 4 hours ago 0 replies      
This is just what I need to complete the in-browser app I'm building to navigate and read these new hypertext pages I'm creating. I've developed a markup language that will let you reference any of these documents from any other. The app that lets you view them is going to work in any browser that supports WebTCP, too, for the ultimate in cross-platform compatibility!
seats 3 hours ago 0 replies      
If more web services supported CORS, pure client side apps would be way easier to do and less kludgy than via proxy.


y0ghur7_xxx 8 hours ago 1 reply      
This is an awesome hack. We really need real TCP connections from the browser. Until then this looks like a great workaround. I eagerly await the day we can use the browser for everything we do (did?) with Desktop apps.
flux_w42 9 hours ago 3 replies      
I think this is a great idea. From the moment I heard of WebSockets I was disappointed it was only a thing between the sockets-capable-web-server and the client and not a real TCP connection to wherever you want. This solves stuff :) However, I think that you should keep an eye on the possible security implications (ex. fooling the same origin policy, using your websockets proxy as a hub to attack other systems on the internet, ...)
smagch 3 hours ago 0 replies      
eungyu 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Nice hack (although I would put this in the category of 'workaround'). The idea is cool, but I can already imagine all sorts of debugging nightmares with this approach. To begin with, how do we find out where the connection is broken (Is it the client socket or the proxy socket)? Bad connections have different reasons (in C terms: ECONNRESET, EWOULDBLOCK, ENETUNREACH, etc); are these specific reasons propagated verbatim? What about flow control between proxy and client?

There is always a chasm between whipping up a cool hack and making something usable. This hack needs a long bridge in between.

How to record audio in Chrome with native HTML5 APIs codeartists.com
86 points by rokgregoric  14 hours ago   35 comments top 8
kevincennis 13 hours ago 1 reply      
It's a shame that the article doesn't really go into any detail about the Recorder.js library, because that's really the most interesting part of this whole thing.

The use of a Web Worker for background processing plus all of the typed array stuff for creating a RIFF blob out of PCM data is actually pretty cool, and something that most JS developers probably haven't been exposed to much.

avolcano 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Good article. I was actually working on my own demo[1] for recorder.js, though it's a bit out of date now. It's a tiny but impressive little library.

Worth noting that, besides exporting to a WAV and adding the object URL to an <audio> tag, recorder.js will also (using the getBuffer method) let you use the buffers directly as an actual Web Audio API source. This lets you do further processing during playback on the recorded audio.

I'm hoping by the time that I finish my silly little app (a loop box that you can add effects to, Reggie Watts[2]-style, using recorder.js and the wonderful effects library Tuna[3]), web audio recording in Chrome will be enabled out of the box on stable.

[1] https://github.com/thomasboyt/web-audio-recording-demo

[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=344OpaQCAQI

[3] https://github.com/Dinahmoe/tuna

cdoxsey 7 hours ago 1 reply      
The takeaway here is its not possible to record audio in chrome (in osx at least) without asking users to either enable Web Audio Input in their settings or disable the PPAPI flash plugin.

It's sad when you end up having to put messages like this in your app:

"Custom voicemails are not currently supported in Chrome on OSX. Please use another browser to record your custom voicemail."

jtheory 9 hours ago 2 replies      
What's the security model for browser-native audio recording?

That's a worrying security hole, if you can record without getting any permission from the user -- sites could eavesdrop on visitors and upload the audio to who-knows-where (knowingly or not, via an XSS hole...).

I believe Flash needs to prompt you to access your microphone and webcam; browsers should too (even more so, because someone who has disabled all plugins may feel safer...).

wslh 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Wow, I was recording audio in Chrome hooking Windows APIs.
zidar 13 hours ago 2 replies      
Flahs, an evil old thing everyone seem to want to avoid. But the fact is, it usually works better than other alternatives.

Seeing many html5+js+css > Flash posts, and it's so nice when everyone is pointing out how awesome it is, until you try to do something useful like dubjoy. Where it turned out for you guys that flash is the only logical way to do it. I hope alternatives will get better soon, until then, we're stuck.

lenart 14 hours ago 0 replies      
Great article/tutorial. Bookmarked.

P.S. Good luck with DubJoy ;)

hayksaakian 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Its frustrating how much is the progress of web development is held to the whims of the chrome team.
The Great Python.org Redesign jessenoller.com
180 points by LeafStorm  19 hours ago   56 comments top 17
jnoller 17 hours ago 4 replies      
nemesisj 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Man, I really thought that the OP was using a bit of hyperbole on the Divio proposal, but holy shit - that is the single best presented and thought out proposal I have ever seen. I'm sure they went a bit above and beyond due to the high profile of the site involved, but I'm seriously impressed. What a fantastic reference point for what a design and website proposal should be.
braveheart1723 18 hours ago 3 replies      
The top navigation with the colored lines is great, similar to the bbc website http://www.bbc.co.uk/ where each of the topmost items have a different colored underline.

Now for the negatives:

those gradients in your main navigation ( ABOUT, DOWNLOADS, etc... ) is horrible. I see this a lot in bad Wordpress themes. It's dated, looks bad now, and will look worse in 6months.

The blue SEARCH font color on the blue background is a poor contrast choice.

Those Python 2.x, 3.x buttons look terrible too. It's the gradients, remove those inner grey gradients, it doesn't add anything to the buttons, doesn't even make them stand out.

Your code formatting screen looks great.

The responsive layout also needs work. The double navigation bar on ipad doesnt look nice. The search bar on the iphone is WAY too small. that should either be stacked / above / below the nav, not side by side on a 320px screen.


web design is going flat, with big font types, and big images, everything is square, clean.


Personally i would keep it simple like backbone documentation



Good job though :)

mladenkovacevic 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I love love love the final wireframes in the Divio presentation... They almost don't need to go any higher-res than that. But then the few linked screenshots at the bottom seem to suggest a very rendered look done in gradients and 3D buttons which I don't love as much.
manaskarekar 18 hours ago 3 replies      
A (perhaps redundant) request: Please please do not sacrifice usability for beauty/design. I love current Python docs and I think they're one of the best out there.

Thanks for the hard work! It looks great. :)

sergiotapia 17 hours ago 2 replies      
The overuse of gradients really makes the website look cheap and like a malware website.

The highlighted gray navigation link on hover doesn't contrast at all with the blues.

On the other hand, disregarding the color scheme and gaudy gradients, the layout is solid. Clear separation of hierarchies and relationships will make for an easy to navigate website.

pestaa 19 hours ago 1 reply      
Looks really modern. A really impressive improvement over what python.org currently has. I'm no usability expert, but links look like links and buttons look like they can actually be pressed, a small detail that gets overlooked these days.
jnoller 17 hours ago 0 replies      
I have put up a gh-pages quick and dirty cached version here: http://jnoller.github.com/redesign_cache/ I sincerely apologize for the total hosting fail.
lnanek2 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Wow, 70k for a glitzy closed source web site? I'm much more impressed with things like npm-www which are clean, effective, and great examples of using the language in their own right.
vickytnz 18 hours ago 3 replies      
Looks good. I think I should point out that the current version of python.org is actually pretty decent in the scheme of programming language/codebase sites (there are some real eyesores out there!)
inglesp 19 hours ago 1 reply      
There's also a version up on the PSF blog: http://pyfound.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/pythonorg-is-getting-m...
sontek 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Will the development / design be done in an open source manner so that we can contribute? Or will only the 2 contractors be able to work on it?
Pwnguinz 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm pleasantly surprised that PyPi will be prominently featured on the official python.org redesign!
so898 16 hours ago 1 reply      
Most open source projects need people like OP to rebuild their website!
dimmuborgir 18 hours ago 0 replies      
OT: Does anyone know what happened to official Ruby site redesign proposal?
wrboyce 16 hours ago 0 replies      
l is a bad variable name, in that font it is worse.
CaioAlonso 19 hours ago 4 replies      
Any cached version available?
40,000 NYU students realize they can 'reply all' to everyone nyulocal.com
143 points by evolve2k  18 hours ago   72 comments top 33
quant18 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Certain US government mailing lists have this same problem. For example, the Federal Register table of contents listserv, which sends out daily mails consisting of links to government notices. Every few weeks, lawyers all over the country " plus us random wonks who also read the Federal Register for fun " get an autoreply from some other law firm telling us who quit or got laid off:

I'm only surprised it doesn't happen more often. I guess, given the intended audience, it's not so surprising that it doesn't get abused. But still, it would be incredibly easy to send out a fake email pretending to be the Federal Register. Imagine all the fun you could have issuing your own antidumping notices and arms control regulations.

MichaelGG 16 hours ago 4 replies      
Microsoft had an incident, "Bedlam DL3" which took a couple of days to sort out. There's a neat writeup with details on the Exchange blog:


patmcguire 12 hours ago 2 replies      
I once had two gmail addresses forwarding to each other on accident. If you're wondering if Google has some sort of check for that, the answer, at least at the time, was several million nos.
diminoten 13 hours ago 2 replies      
Back when Reddit was younger, there was a guy named P-Dub who needed some help. I forget the actual reason he needed help, but people ended up donating some money to him, and all was good.

A few days later, P-Dub's mother decides to email everyone who helped P-Dub. Guess what she did (or forgot to do).

The fallout resulted in people begging to be let off the reply-all list, and for weeks no such mercy was granted.

It took a few months before everything settled down, and to this very day, someone on the list (of only ~100 people or so) will occasionally start it up again.

user24 14 hours ago 4 replies      
Actually, this makes me wonder why every institution doesn't have an unregulated broadcast channel like this. Seems like it's a great way to embrace community. And I bet you that, if you run it long enough, there'd be some tangible value come from it, as well as the intangible value of fun.

In physical environments, we all have 'water cooler' conversations all the time. As we move more into 100% virtuality, is there a need for a digital analogue (if you'll excuse the somewhat jarring juxtaposition of phrases there)?

fecklessyouth 15 hours ago 2 replies      
I go to a small school that still grants all-campus email access to everyone. It develops a culture of communication all its own, and often hosts vigorous and even nasty arguments. And while the role it plays could be filled much better by other technologies, email is a common enough technology that everyone can take part.
julesie 12 hours ago 2 replies      
When I worked at Accenture this happened at least every 6 months if not more often.

The replies were typically broken into two camps:

1) Those who, despite the ever growing list of replies, couldn't work out what was happening and asked for themselves to be removed from the list.

2) Those who understood the phenomenon but added fuel to the fire nonetheless by sending out a "Would everybody please stop replying all" mail.

Inevitably some more #1's would get confused send more 'please remove me' mails until a another #2 would complete the cycle once more.

Every. Time.

Wicher 1 hour ago 0 replies      
A similar thing has happened at the science faculty of the Universiteit Utrecht (in the Netherlands; so it's in Dutch):


Before the faculties (of Physics, Chemistry, etc) were merged into one giant megafaculty, some of them ran Mailman lists (which were set up properly to prevent this stuff). The centralization efforts of the board of the university put an end to that and it was demanded that the new giant uberfaculty would use MS Exchange servers staffed by equally sophisticated IT personnel…
The board introduced these IT changes using a slogan which for a while became an in-joke to utter if some IT thing went horribly wrong:
"Goed is goed genoeg" which translates as "Good is good enough".

Source for that quote:


incision 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Just when I thought I'd rid myself of horrible memories related to running listproc in the 90s.
user24 14 hours ago 0 replies      
Reminds me of the time I was volunteering in an office, I must have been 15? And there was a solar eclipse, so I used "net send" to broadcast "Come and watch the eclipse on the roof" to every computer in the building. It was pretty cool; a few dozen people showed up.
Piskvorrr 17 hours ago 1 reply      
You haven't really been on the Internet unless you've weathered at least one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_storm ;)
untog 16 hours ago 0 replies      
The "pictures of Nic Cage" link refers directly to a Gmail attachment. Not viewable by me, obviously, but I wonder if there is any information in that URL that shouldn't be public.
jaimebuelta 16 hours ago 0 replies      
In the 2000, I was working on a big telco company. One day, a guy made the mistake of sending his "hilarious and NSFW" 4 MB PowerPoint presentation email (that was a huge email back then) to a list including EVERYONE working on the company. That means around 2K people just on the same building. According to Wikipedia, right now it has over 250K employees, probably a similar number back in the day. I don't know how many it has back in the day and were affected, but it included for sure all the high executives.

Other than the embarrassment of the NSFW material, the network and email were completely blocked for most part of the day, causing severe troubles, at least to the whole building were I was working.

The guy was an external consultant which was "moved to a different project" :-D It was absolutely epic.

aidenn0 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I remember when the admin at work switched the "all staff" from an alias to a mailing-list, and everyone with their e-mail clients set to default to "reply to list" kept on accidentally replying to everyone.
Evbn 16 hours ago 1 reply      
If they used Twitter and hashtags , they wouldn't have this problem. Only old people use email.
RKoutnik 17 hours ago 3 replies      
We've got a similar problem at my (much smaller) school. I've found that most colleges treat IT as an unfortunate evil, which is reflected in the quality of services they provide. It's strange how these colleges think they can train us for the future while ignoring the massive changes technology brings us.
simondlr 12 hours ago 0 replies      
Same thing happened at my university. Chair of the student's committee accidentally included the list as a cc instead of bcc. My brother managed to rickroll the whole campus.

Soon after the security of the listserv was fixed.

aidanns 4 hours ago 0 replies      
This happened at Melbourne Uni this year with a slight twist - the student support team emailed all-students@unimelb.edu.au (or some variation) letting them know about the support services the uni had on offer for students in distress.

Some poor soul (or a skilled troll) replied to the list with an email intended for the support team itself requesting help with coping with the stress of exams and uni life, starting a "please remove me from this list" conversation that went on for a day or two before they closed the list.

Honestly I've never felt so bad for someone in my whole life, although some of the replies were hilarious.

kokey 14 hours ago 0 replies      
I worked at an airline once. Before I joined, a member of staff at a small airport received an email telling them that Bill Gates will give them $5 to forward some email. They believed it, and decided to forward it to all the staff. That was 10,000 people, and sent over an analog leased line.
mkmk 15 hours ago 0 replies      
A really amusing writeup of a similar situation can be found on metafilter: http://www.metafilter.com/78177/PLEASE-UNSUBSCRIBE-ME-FROM-T...
achompas 13 hours ago 1 reply      
As an NYU student I was inundated with these messages for a bit. I seriously thought about replying to all to give everyone step-by-step directions on creating a Gmail archive filter, but decided it wouldn't really help too much.
RandallBrown 12 hours ago 0 replies      
One time in college one of these reply all things happened in a chemistry class of mine with about 600 students. It wasn't enough to take any servers down, but I did end up with several hundred new emails consisting of "Please remove me from this list" and "STOP PRESSING REPLY ALL"

I've never understood why people default to reply all to something.

bsenftner 16 hours ago 0 replies      
I bet that one evening will be remembered by the entire student body for the rest of their lives. I can imagine how much fun that must have been during the first 1-2 hours, and then how it turned sour hour, after hour, after hour... fun!
pnathan 15 hours ago 1 reply      
A sharp operator would figure out how to get a newsgroup going to NYU off of this incident. I betcha that could be monetized via local ads. :-)
chimeracoder 15 hours ago 2 replies      
This breaks even the Guinness Book of World Records's email debacle from a few months back, in which some thousand random Redditors had their emails all exposed: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/05/guinness_world_recor...

That was.... not a fun day.

finnh 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Suddenly granted an audience, another student voiced the immortal query, "Would you rather fight 100 duck sized horses, or 1 horse sized duck?"
emurillo510 38 minutes ago 0 replies      
my CS department chair at San Jose State recently 'reply all' on an email and ended up sending all currently enrolled CS students information about GPA, address, phone number, and expected graduation date. All we got back was an apology letter... At least everyone has my address and I have theirs :P
erohead 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Ah, just like the awesome engsoc_on_campus escapade at Waterloo in 2006...
hornbaker 10 hours ago 1 reply      
It'd be pretty awesome if this happened to the Facebook user list.
nicholassmith 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Way back when I was at Uni the same thing was possible, if I remember rightly though it took them about 3 days to rectify and we were told to just not use email during the period. It was pre-meme days so most of it was just random insults and yo momma jokes.
JohnTheRipper 15 hours ago 0 replies      
I think OVH had a similar issue back when they were giving away test servers. I wasn't on the list, but I heard from several people that the official question/reply address would send emails to everyone on the list. Needless to say, with several thousand people on there, it got spammy fast.
magikbum 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Gmail "Mute" please
btrautsc 14 hours ago 0 replies      
amazingly this has happened to me @ every career level minus startup... university constantly between multi-hundred person classes and departments, multi-thousand person logistics company, and all_the_freaking_time @ HP... there were probably 5,000+ sales, consultants, solutions people who would ratchet one of these storms up about every 2 weeks...
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