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New nuclear fuel source would power human race until 5000AD theregister.co.uk
31 points by xhrpost  1 hour ago   23 comments top 8
rauljara 26 minutes ago 1 reply      
"Since the Fukushima meltdown - as a result of which, not a single person is set to be measurably harmed by radiation - we know that nuclear power is safe."

It seems to me like the primary danger from radiation like that leaked from Fukushima would be an increase in cancer. I think it's a little early to be claiming that Fukushima will cause no increase harm to humans. There is already evidence that it caused harm to the surrounding environment, though butterflies are admittedly much more fragile than humans.


DanielBMarkham 1 minute ago 0 replies      
Let's reverse the logic. Instead of talking about how much radioactive material we're pulling from the ocean, how much could we put in?

Am I mistaken in saying that we could put back in every bit of radioactive material we'd use until 5000AD and only double the natural background radiation amount?

I know the math isn't exact -- it's not a symmetry -- but on a rough-order-of-magnitude basis, is that a reasonable conclusion?

anigbrowl 26 minutes ago 2 replies      
I'm pro-nuclear, but I can't take this writer's hand-wavey dismissal of the risks seriously.
JoeAltmaier 40 minutes ago 3 replies      
I really thought this was going to be about Thorium. Surprise - its about extracting Uranium from seawater.
gliese1337 1 hour ago 1 reply      
The 5000AD date is admittedly just an estimate, but I am extremely sceptical of any such prediction. It just depends too much on what new uses for lots of energy we might come up with over the next thousand years. How many people will there be to use it? What standard of living will they demand? And that standard of living actually require more energy, or will other technological advances make us far more efficient with the power we generate?

The article even states that different groups estimates of how long Earth's uranium could last vary by more than a factor of 2.

lutusp 46 minutes ago 3 replies      
This idea only makes sense if the used-fuel disposal problem is resolved, and it is not at all resolved. It would be like claiming that the coal supply is unlimited, but without addressing the problem of emissions.
debacle 14 minutes ago 0 replies      
I think right now our biggest problem is not energy sources but energy storage.

If we had an amazing vessel for energy storage, the sourcing problem would become relatively moot - there's so much available passive renewable energy, all we need to do is collect it.

eeeeaaii 11 minutes ago 0 replies      
In the article linked to from this article:

A preliminary report by the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency has stated that the response to the Fukushima nuclear incident was "exemplary" and that nobody has been harmed by radiation exposure resulting from it.

That seems to contract what the Japanese government's own panel concluded:


Father's Age Is Linked to Risk of Autism and Schizophrenia nytimes.com
35 points by evidenceofllama  1 hour ago   26 comments top 9
simonsarris 1 hour ago 3 replies      
I had heard this before but only with schizophrenia which always had me a tad worried. But I never heard:

> "The overall risk to a man in his 40s or older is in the range of 2 percent, at most"

Which is much more comforting to know. I never heard any risk percentage from earlier articles I've read.

My father was 48 when I was born.

ianb 5 minutes ago 0 replies      
These are disorders that effect a person's personality, which could mean all sorts of new variables to control for. A man who has mild symptoms of autism or schizophrenia may well take longer to establish himself in his life and have children.
JamisonM 41 minutes ago 0 replies      
I wonder how much of the mutations in genetic material relate to simply aging and how much of it might be a reflection of environmental exposures based on when the father was born? Substances like mercury or lead spring to mind as things that someone just 10 years older than myself would have likely had much more exposure to despite living in the same place and having the same socioeconomic status.

The fact that the female-contributed genetic material error rates are static might speak to this effect to some degree. I wonder if they are studying autism diagnosis going back in time or if all the autistic children were around the same age.

rosser 39 minutes ago 0 replies      
Biologically, this makes sense. A woman is born with all her eggs already in her ovaries, while men manufacture sperm on demand. Obviously, the consequences of accumulated genetic damage can only manifest in the latter case.
tobias3 53 minutes ago 1 reply      
Does anyone have tipps about where to perma-freeze sperm?
Seriously, shouldn't be too of a problem?
cjensen 53 minutes ago 3 replies      
Correct me if I'm wrong... but this is just a study which finds a correlation. While the article hints at causation, does the study actually find that?
JPKab 1 hour ago 3 replies      
This has been "known" for years with autism, based on observational data. Normally, I don't put much into observational data, since it can be so wrong, but in the autism/paternal age case, you have a HUGE, HUGE leap in likelihood of autism based on father's age. A man in his 40's is thousands of times more likely to have an autistic child than a man in his 20's, as a I recall from previous observational data.
jh73 20 minutes ago 0 replies      
This is the third such study published within this year. The difference being that this study did full genome sequencing rather than exome (regions coding for proteins) sequencing.

The other papers:
O'Roak BJ, et al. Sporadic autism exomes reveal a highly interconnected protein network of de novo mutations. Nature. 2012

Sanders JS, et al. De novo mutations revealed by whole-exome sequencing are strongly associated with autism. Nature. 2012

asolove 1 hour ago 1 reply      
From the first sentence: "because of random mutations that become more numerous with advancing paternal age".

From the sixth paragraph: "The research team found that the average child born to a 20-year-old father had 25 random mutations that could be traced to paternal genetic material. The number increased steadily by two mutations a year, reaching 65 mutations for offspring of 40-year-old men."

ImagePickerController with live filters github.com
29 points by frankdenbow  1 hour ago   16 comments top 3
tejaswiy 28 minutes ago 0 replies      
I was trying to build my own for an app I'm building and all I can say is it's pretty hard. Thanks for this!
cmicali 1 hour ago 3 replies      
Seems to be crashing when clicking 'show picker' on my iPhone 4... does it work on 4S only?
truebecomefalse 1 hour ago 1 reply      
This looks great. Thanks for sharing! Backspaces is a cool concept as well.
Introducing Tent - the decentralized social web tent.io
9 points by Titanous  14 minutes ago   discuss
The myth of doing “that one thing” leostartsup.com
10 points by joeyespo  30 minutes ago   discuss
Bootstrap Based UI for Logstash (Open Source Splunk) github.com
55 points by kordless  3 hours ago   18 comments top 5
lusis 1 hour ago 3 replies      
Please don't call logstash "an open source splunk". It's no such thing. Splunk still has features that logstash doesn't have (yet). Logstash has quite a few features that Splunk doesn't have.

Jordan had never seen (or to my knowledge has yet to see) splunk at all. I don't know about Pete. Myself, I haven't used Splunk since trying a very early release once in the very first days of it.

Point being, Logstash doesn't call itself an "open source splunk". In fact I've considered adding an output to SplunkStorm to Logstash.

Do I think Logstash is better? Yep. Do I know people who swear by Splunk? Yep. Competition is healthy.

rurounijones 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Currently experimenting with logstash and Kibana on internal systems and very happy so far, no complaints with it.

Be warned though that logstash is not mature software, get on the mailing list and read the github page.

Now if only the rails logging system wasn't so tightly integrated and string-happy.

kordless 3 hours ago 0 replies      
A working demo is here: http://urly.stackgeek.com/C2v. Author of Logstash is here: http://semicomplete.com.
northisup 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Why on earth does being made with bootstrap matter for this? The headline should read "Logstash UI that doesn't suck"

What something is built with doesn't matter, that it works matters.

cnlwsu 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Looks similar to http://graylog2.org/
How to tear down the walls of your echo chamber cdevroe.com
37 points by cdevroe  3 hours ago   23 comments top 8
jacoblyles 1 hour ago 1 reply      
How about watch more TV? None of the people I know in Silicon Valley watch the top 10 shows in America, among those that even have a TV! When I go home for the holidays I get an education in how the rest of the country thinks through the television.
te_platt 1 hour ago 0 replies      
How about have kids? My kids are constantly challenging me to reexamine why I do the things I do. More so challenging me to explain why I make them do the things I make them do. Not to mention introducing me to new music (I get to introduce them to my music too) and shows.
ZanderEarth32 1 hour ago 3 replies      
Good list, but what's with the "What 90% Less TV" quip? I get it, TV is an idiot box, there's nothing good on, blah blah. But not all TV is equal. Does this include content you actively seek out on Netflix or some other on-demand service that you happen to view on your TV?

This appears as another, "I don't even own a tv" kind of elitism advice. Without a reason as to why I should stop watching so much tv, or even a basis for the seemingly arbitrary 90% number I can't take this advice with any kind of seriousness.

blendergasket 2 hours ago 1 reply      
One thing I like to do is try to start conversations with people who believe very different things than I do. For a while I was doing weekly bible readings with a very interesting group of Christian people (I'm not Christian and have never been religious). It got heated. I was very challenged and forced to analyze my own beliefs and the presuppositions I brought to the table. I'm sure they felt that they had to do the same as well and I think we all became better people for it.
cek 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Good list.

Add to it: Get out of the building and talk to customers. Real customers. In other parts of the world.

dorkusprime 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Go to Burning Man.

Along with the outrageously friendly crowd willing to strike up conversations about anything, it's has the greatest density of diversity that I've ever seen. In one day, you could easily discuss politics with Republicans, Democrats, moderates, and extremists; religion with Atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, and Christians; and science with research scientists, conspiracy theorists, and mystics.

the_cat_kittles 57 minutes ago 0 replies      
I think learning a new language might be a big gateway too
cdevroe 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I'd love to know if the HN community has any other tips to add to this list that I've jotted down.
Emacs under Clojure github.com
110 points by artagnon  7 hours ago   24 comments top 7
mcav 2 hours ago 1 reply      
If this were a Kickstarter, I'd buy the top package. This is something I've wanted for a long while. Good luck!
jimparkins 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Just wanted to do a bit of cheerleading for this.
Do not give up. I think this will be an awesome open source project and a great project for people who are learning Clojure and want a non web project outlet to actually build plugins for. Also I am sure that people will raise LightTable in this thread as it is written in Clojure and supports plugin development - but one size does not fit all.
jlarocco 43 minutes ago 0 replies      
Is this a serious project meant for general use? If so, what problem is it solving? What's the advantage over regular Emacs?
agentultra 5 hours ago 4 replies      
tromey started a project to port Emacs to pure CL (http://tromey.com/blog/?p=709). Why not help him out instead of dividing the effort?
codemac 1 hour ago 0 replies      
BT Templeton! Give us the guile-emacs[1]!

The only ports that are going to actually get emacs users are ones that can eval elisp.

However, good luck with this! It's like Yi.. could turn out great, or could turn out to just be a neat small project :)

[1]: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gs...

alberich 2 hours ago 4 replies      
I wonder if the guys that use emacs will really want to use another version of it running on the JVM. I get this feeling that most of them despise the JVM, and the guys who generally use JVM are eclipse/netbeans guys.

Sure there will be some people that don't fit in this category. Though, it seems like the OP is trying to fix something that isn't broken. Anyways, it will be a great learning experience.

cdi 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Why not just write a similar editor, with same shortcuts, rewritten modules/modes etc, but with new architecture and paradigms?
Why Jason Fried gave his company a month off inc.com
29 points by timjahn  2 hours ago   14 comments top 3
aresant 1 hour ago 1 reply      
"How can we afford to put our business on hold for a month to "mess around" with new ideas? How can we afford not to?"

Taking advice from today's 37Signals on how to build your company is like taking advice from Michael Phelps on how to become a competitive swimmer.

They are both FREAKS of nature: a perfect combination of natural talent, decades of hard work, expert coaching, and unlimited resources.

I love being an observer to their dominance, but you have to look hard at these "lessons" to take away what's the signal vs. what's the noise for your average start-up!

jetti 1 hour ago 5 replies      
I definitely wasn't expecting that because Jason Fried didn't give his company a month off. Jason Fried just gave his company a new role for a month. People still had to show up to work and do work, it was just they could do whatever work they wanted.

For me personally, I wouldn't enjoy that month. The main reason would be purely selfish. I know that my idea and implementation could make money and instead of releasing it on my own and profiting, it would become property of the company. I would also feel pigeon-holed into working on stuff that the company already does or in the same realm (which in my case is Business Intelligence tools to work with Cognos) which, while interesting, is not where my interests lie which would also limit my creativity.

It should be interesting to see what comes out of 37Signals in the next 6 months to a year.

johnnyg 46 minutes ago 0 replies      
A big part of the 37signals play book is awareness through blogs and magazines. Their business model can't be "hey, we're going to sit here for 70 hours a week and crank out code" because then there is nothing to write about.

In one sense, they built a business that allows them to do crazy/fun/oddball things. Great.

In another, their model is not the model of a typical HN style start up, and following their advice without tempering it to your own set of realities is likely a bad idea.

Research Blog: Machine Learning Book for Students and Researchers googleresearch.blogspot.com
39 points by Anon84  3 hours ago   10 comments top 6
imurray 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Aside: I find it ridiculous that I can't read a blog post, a little bit of text and an image, without enabling javascript on two domains. I know that a bunch of you will think only masochists use NoScript, but the page is slow to appear and needlessly complicated. If there's anyone at Google who could help your company set a better example, please nudge the right people.
iskander 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I haven't seen this book before but I did take Prof. Mohri's class a few years ago. His material is great but be warned that is's biased heavily towards theory (proofs and bounds instead of the more common/practical "rules of thumb"). You can get a lot done using machine learning tools having only a superficial familiarity with VC dimension, complexity bounds, etc... If however, you want to get deeper insight into the algorithms you're using or develop new algorithms yourself then Prof Mohri's of rigor is very useful.
dude_abides 2 hours ago 2 replies      
My favorite introductory textbook on machine learning is the Tom Mitchell book: http://www.amazon.com/Machine-Learning-Tom-M-Mitchell/dp/007...

The Bishop book is the most popular though: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0387310738/ref=pd_rvi_gw_2/...

cmansley 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Does anyone know if the table of contents is somewhere online?
pbharrin 1 hour ago 0 replies      
When will this be on MegaUpload?
JoelMcCracken 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Why is this news?
How we open sourced Instagram backspac.es
23 points by lallouz  1 hour ago   14 comments top 5
Mizza 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Heh.. not very much on the "how" but I appreciate the effort!

I guess we'll be seeing a lot of these filters pop up in other apps now. I don't really mind, a lot of people gave shit to Instagram for being a billion-dollar-app which made photos look worse, but I think I prefer fake-shitty than the weirdly-sharp digital look that most cell phones produce.

Anyway, bravo, and that's for releasing this as free software!

brown9-2 56 minutes ago 1 reply      
What was actually released? The github page seems to have a single non-forked repository: http://github.com/gobackspaces
memnips 46 minutes ago 1 reply      
The title feels a bit sensationalist. Yes, some open sourced iOS live filters are totally cool, but this really has nothing to do with Instagram.

Instagram is more than some photo filters.

tomconte 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Based on Brad Larson's GPUImage, amazing OpenGL based image filters library, very hackable if you learn GLSL :)
SandersAK 13 minutes ago 0 replies      
i'm one of the founders at backspac.es and i was curious what people thought of the story format that's produced. feedback is most welcome :)
When Land Is History pjmedia.com
38 points by jackfoxy  3 hours ago   6 comments top 4
randomdata 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm the seventh generation to work the land on my family farm. It is pretty amazing to think that so many of my ancestors before me did the very same, albeit with less modern technology. The original barn and first brick home (I'm told there was a rough wooden home that preceded the brick one when my family first settled on the land) still stand there today.
shanecleveland 1 hour ago 0 replies      
History of land use is fascinating to me. I grew up and my parents still live in a house built by my grandfather. I love looking at old pictures and seeing what has changed or not changed in even that short 70+ years. And then to think how the land may have looked and been used in the years before that. I am in the process of building a home on land owned by my wife's family. They have only owned it for a short period of time, but the land has a rich history of settlements, logging, etc.

I think we all have a selfish tendency to think of land and property as being at its best when we knew it most intimately. But the land was there long before us and will be there long after.

rdl 1 hour ago 2 replies      
"too many liberal arts degrees and too few agribusiness BAs", indeed.
pmsaue0 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Beautiful/generational land razed for commercial purposes? Welcome to eastern Kentucky and mountain top removal.
Y Combinator's Young Startups Tout Revenue Over Users bloomberg.com
72 points by JumpCrisscross  6 hours ago   35 comments top 6
ebbv 3 hours ago 3 replies      
The thing that bothers me most about the "startup culture" that I see is not just touting revenue but constantly touting funding rounds.

It's great that you're funded, but that has nothing to do with me, nor is it evidence that you are ever going to accomplish anything worthwhile, IMHO. It just means you convinced someone with money that you're going to put their money to good use. Their confidence means nothing to me.

polyfractal 3 hours ago 1 reply      
>Entrepreneurs in Y Combinator may be taking a cue from the program's co-founder, Paul Graham, who in June penned an open letter urging young startups to focus on making money as a hedge against a potential downturn in Silicon Valley [...]

What a crazy idea! Companies should try to make money!

RealGeek 5 hours ago 2 replies      
YC S12 batch is one of the strongest YC batches of all time. This time the startups not only have a good product; but developed business models, customers and revenue.

Moreover, a lot of startups launched far before demo day. I guess majority of the startups had a product ready when they got into YC.

state 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I read this as a pretty clear indicator of what the funding environment is starting to look like.
hobbyhacker 5 hours ago 2 replies      
As well they should, just having lots of users and no plan for monetization is a bad recipe most of them time.
anewguy 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Okay everybody - time to change your pitch decks.
Why you don't overturn the Big Bang via a media interview arstechnica.com
27 points by evo_9  2 hours ago   3 comments top 3
SoftwareMaven 1 hour ago 0 replies      
The article closes by asking press officers and reporters to be a little more critical of the material they pass on. Unfortunately, that is extremely unlikely to happen. There is too much information to be critical of and incentives are not aligned to make that happen. If the press passes on a breathless press release that turns out to be false, they just point the finger at somebody else, but in the meantime, they've driven traffic to whatever organization they're working for.

Ultimately, the scientist should be held accountable for this in his community. Similar to the massive black eyes Fleischmann and Pons got for cold fusion[1], Quach should be dragged across the carpet for this.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion my poor alma matter :)

geuis 21 minutes ago 0 replies      
"A number of theories have been proposed over the years to explain why there are four dimensions (three space, one time) instead of some other number..."

Time is not a dimension. It is a property of space, hence "spacetime".


MichaelGG 33 minutes ago 0 replies      
From the PR:

  > "Thousands of years later, Albert Einstein assumed that space and time were continuous and flowed smoothly, but we now believe that this assumption may not be valid at very small scales," Quach said.

My only source of knowledge is having read a pop-physics book or two, but I thought it was well-accepted that at "small scales", the universe is very non-continuous and chaotic?

And, reading the PR, it doesn't seem to be that breathless nor does it say it's overturning the Big Bang. It read more like "hey there might be another thing that happened during the Big Bang and that might make 'cracks' that we might be able to see".

Deal of the Year: Architexa Toolsuite Made Free dzone.com
29 points by sethrq  4 hours ago   9 comments top 4
vineet 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I am the founder of Architexa, and have been pushing to make this happen for a bit.

I am glad to have made this happen.

Let me know if you have any questions.

drewvolpe 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Very cool. This is a great tool to understand for large codebases.
j_s 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Can you point to where on the site the list of languages supported is documented? Database-side SQL (stored procedures <-> dependencies) would be awesome!
cjdentra 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Kudos to the tech team!
Ghosts in the rom nycresistor.com
220 points by z2amiller  14 hours ago   21 comments top 8
damian2000 14 hours ago 1 reply      
According to this link:


"The ROM used only 89 KB of the available 256 KB. So to fill the chip, Apple put the photos of the development team into the ROM. To see these photos, press the debug button then type: G 41D89A"

daeken 13 hours ago 1 reply      
If you're interested in this sort of digital archaeology, check out The Cutting Room Floor: http://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor It's focused on unearthing this sort of thing in games.

There's also a lot of this sort of thing on http://pagetable.com

DanBC 10 hours ago 1 reply      
See also the "stolen from Apple" icon hidden in the rom for the first Mac.


joezydeco 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Back in the heyday of arcade video games, a lot of manufacturers would hide things like this in the code to prevent counterfeiting of the games. PC boards are easy to copy (the schematics were in the service manual), but counterfeiters would just duplicate the ROMs and change a few strings or sprites to give the appearance of a new game. The Easter eggs were triggerable by a certain sequence of moves to show the real authors of the code on-screen.

Here's one example: http://www.digitpress.com/eastereggs/arcaderobotron.htm

mgunes 12 hours ago 0 replies      
Previously: "The Joy of Dumping" -- http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4150668
shashwatak 12 hours ago 1 reply      
It blows my mind that those photos was taken over a quarter century ago, hidden by some playful programmers, and are only now unearthed by an entirely different generation of playful programmers. Cool stuff.
threeio 12 hours ago 0 replies      
They were known about back in the day as well.. we all saw them because of fantastic mac shareware mags, macworld, etc.. they just haven't been seen in a while.
cpeterso 11 hours ago 2 replies      
Where's Steve?
Leap leapmotion.com
156 points by aes  11 hours ago   51 comments top 15
jaysonelliot 7 hours ago 6 replies      
Please, for the love of Jef Raskin and Henry Dreyfuss and Don Norman and all that is human factors, no.

The film version of Minority Report was not a model for practical or usable interface design. Millions of years of evolution have built our brains and bodies for interacting with things that provide physical feedback when we touch them. Waving a pencil in the air, "manipulating" an invisible item and looking for visual feedback from a screen, these are not good experiences. Even if you discount the "gorilla arm syndrome" that StavrosK quite rightly points out here, the fatigue of trying to perform fine and accurate motion without physical stimuli for your hands and fingers to respond to is significant.

I'm sorry to be a negative voice in the face of innovation, but this really does feel like a technology in search of a problem. What worries me greatly is that it has a remarkably high "cool factor" that would be excellent in short demos, and could be easily pitched to companies looking for a flashy feature to get a leg up on the competition. We were saddled with some dubious decisions at the dawn of the GUI age, and we're just starting to lose them as we enter the Direct Manipulation age of interfaces. Please don't let this concept of feedback-free hand gestures become a paradigm that we're stuck with in the future.

tibbon 6 hours ago 1 reply      
There's too much focus here on the assumption that this will be used as a full-time computing input device. I don't think anyone is realistically advocating banishment of all keyboard/mice to the netherworld.

Let's be more creative than that. Think about using it as an alternate input in spaces that a physical keyboard/mouse isn't appropriate, and also 'short term computing'.

Will this replace input on your workstation? I doubt it- but what about a large map that's installed in a public place? What about some sort of restroom or medical computing device where you'd rather not touch the surface that someone else just touched? You're not going to sit there 12 hours a day. You're going to pull up the map in the hospital and zoom/pan around on it. Why do we need another surface to clean? And in 15 seconds- you're done. No gorilla arm syndrome, no pain, and no real learning curve.

StavrosK 10 hours ago 3 replies      
Whenever I see something like this, I immediately think of gorilla arm syndrome. There's a reason I was saying they will never become widespread when all my friends were screaming about Minority Report-style interfaces (ever since Minority Report).
JabavuAdams 15 minutes ago 0 replies      
I wonder what the constraints on the background are? If it's not too fussy, then hang one of these around your neck and hook it up to an Oculus RIFT VR.

Immersive VR + hand-tracking == ????

defdac 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I'm currently learning Blender. It's an open source 3D-modeling program with one of the most non-intuitive GUIs ever created. It's like the Vim/Emacs of 3D-creation.
Being able to just grab a 3D-object with your hands and kneed it to the shape you want would be freakishly amazing.
lywald 31 minutes ago 0 replies      
Seems developers can candidate for a free Leap+SDK if they like your project idea and think you can deliver.

>How can I get a free developer kit?

>We're distributing thousands of kits to qualified developers, [...] register to get the SDK and a free Leap device first, and then wow us.

Apply here: https://live.leapmotion.com/developers.html

I like the small size and reasonable price.
Might be cool as a 3rd input device, or for specialized terminals.

_lj 25 minutes ago 0 replies      
I don't think anybody, including Leap, thinks the keyboard and mouse are going anywhere. Also, this isn't minority report. If leap can deliver on the sensitivity of the input, then small, precise gestures can be made without moving your hands from the keyboard. That makes it useful in cases where switching from the keyboard to a mouse isn't fast enough for my taste.

I can envision opening certain applications with a gesture (save you from typing the name into quicksilver or finding and double clicking on the icon). Tasks that you repeat over and over could be assigned to a gesture with great effect, like swiping a finger left and right to change windows.

3D editing could be interesting, where you move an invisible object in 3 dimensions with your hand. Anybody who's done 3d modeling or game development in unity can attest that a mouse and keyboard are limited in 3 dimensions.

neya 1 hour ago 0 replies      
> Say goodbye to your mouse and keyboard.

This single line is enough to help me see through their flawed assumptions. The keyboard and mice aren't going away anytime soon, just because these guys have found a way to integrate gestures with computers. I personally hate the Applesque marketing promising users to 'Own the future'. Gesture technology has been here for long and I don't see it being the future by replacing the mouse and the keyboard. Think about developers like us...no developer would find it useful, because we need to code efficiently, which is and never will be possible with gesture technology.

So, from a developer's perspective, this is something intended to be too cool, but fails to understand the basic underlying principle of the purpose of a keyboard and a mouse. Maybe, this would appeal to ultra Hi-Fi executives who want to flaunt to the world a new way of using their Powerpoint slideshows, but not the common man/developer who owns an average computer (Something like a c2d).

I was honestly expecting this to have some features like the Kinect, which developers have hacked to use it as a motion-capture system, especially for use in creating Animated movies (which is awesome because a standard decent mo-cap setup will cost you atleast $5k). This gadget is unfortunately too basic and solves a very small problem that no one really cares about, IMO.

pestaa 7 hours ago 0 replies      
More than one comment below mentioned the use of this device for 3D modelling. There are certainly scenarios when an artist could use LeapMotion, like sculpting and painting, but the actual modelling part is heavily keyboard-supported.

I image you'd need both hands to replace two mouse buttons and a scroller, and to me that seems to break the deal.

Ave 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I think this has great potential for use in conjunction with wearable computing such as Google Glass. I'm not sure how the current interface for Glass works, but I imagine it's based on voice input and possibly some buttons on the unit itself.

Imagine wearing a smaller Leap controller on your wrist - you would be able to use gestures to control the Glass and mostly likely interact much more intuitively with your surroundings as seen through Glass.

tomelders 10 hours ago 0 replies      
First time I've seen this. Obviously the first time a lot of other people have seen it too, hence it making it all the way to front page.

Anyhoot, I can't deny it, this is very interesting.

ricardobeat 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Hmm. I feel like I'm in that other news site with all the reposts.
MatthewPhillips 7 hours ago 0 replies      
So... does it run Android?
Microsoft says don't use PPTP and MS-CHAP h-online.com
22 points by Suraj-Sun  4 hours ago   5 comments top 3
Mithrandir 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Here's Moxie Marlinspike's blog post about the MS-CHAPv2 vulnerabilities: https://www.cloudcracker.com/blog/2012/07/29/cracking-ms-cha...

Bruce Schneier also wrote about MS-CHAPv2 vulnerabilities back in 1999: https://www.schneier.com/paper-pptpv2.html

zokier 1 hour ago 1 reply      
I don't see anywhere in the KB article advising not to use PPTP. MS only recommends switching tunneling tech as an alternative to using more secure authentication method with PPTP (ie PEAP).

Besides incorrect title, the final remark about OpenVPN is bit trollish imho.

nolliesnom 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Does anybody have more information on the claim in this article that WPA2 is insecure too?
I'm Not Japanese sachagreif.com
169 points by sgdesign  13 hours ago   106 comments top 40
patio11 12 hours ago  replies      
Does Google assumes that we live in The Matrix, and you can learn a new country's language instantly as soon as you move there?

Google is making the (accurate) calculation that over 99% of people coming from a Japanese IP address whose computer says "Accept-Language: en-gb;q=0.9, en;q=0.7" are actually Japanese speakers of Japanese (true preference: "Accept-Language: ja-jp;q=1.0; en;q=0.000001") whose configurations have been borked at the manufacturer or the IT department level, and who will be terribly served by content written in English. It's an act of charity that they even ask about English prior to defaulting you into Japanese. (They haven't always done that -- every year or two it seems to switch for me.)

This is a particularly acute issue since most users of Google don't actually have accounts on it, their best attempts to fix that to the contrary. As a result, in key ways such as language, the service needs to "just work" for the majority of their users. Also, if I was to have a totally clinical view of the situation, the expected value of 1 English speaker in terms of ad clicks is ridiculously below the expected value of 1 Japanese speaker in terms of ad clicks, given that both are in Japan (+), and you're asking to sacrifice 99 Japanese speakers to save the 1 English speaker. Once you accept that there will be a loser in this decision either way, figuring out who the loser should be is not that hard. Sorry: I'd prefer English, too.

And by the way, want to check out a post on Blogspot? Off to blogspot.jp you go. This doesn't change the page itself, only the URL. So what does redirecting me accomplish, except make me feel that I'm not in control of what sites I can access?

This is a hack around censorship laws in a few places (most relevantly to the instant case, Germany, I believe). Google has a blogspot.jp which is a copy of .com which is a copy of .de which is a copy of... except that they enforce country-specific censorship laws. This was deemed an acceptable tradeoff versus getting all of blogspot blacklisted in e.g. Germany.

n.b. No special inside knowledge here.

(+) If this is not intuitively obvious to you talk to me about AdWords geotargetting and default settings sometime.

rickmb 10 hours ago 2 replies      
This kind of thing pisses me off regularly. Google is one of the worst offenders, completely ignoring browser language preferences.

But American websites in general are awful at this. They completely ignore local diversity and sensitivities and simply assume "one country, one language", so they will for instance happily present Flemish users with French interfaces.

It's fucking offensive. If I type google.com instead of google.nl or google.de or google.co.jp and my browser preferred language is English, I have made it pretty damn clear what I want.

po 5 hours ago 0 replies      
As someone who works every day at a Japanese startup that has a Japanese/English bilingual UI, can generate documents in different languages than the user, multi-currency, Japanese address formatting aware, etc.. I can say that these problems are actually quite hard to get right for most use cases. For most companies it's not worth it.

However, once the user has logged into your site as is the common case with google properties, there is no excuse for serving the page in the wrong language. For months google calendar on my iPhone here in Tokyo would be in Japanese. All of the other tabs on the mobile google site would be English but just google calendar would be Japanese locale. As far as I could tell there was no way to fix it. Then one day it was fixed. I still see this mistake all over the place with other sites.

I actually blame the rise of geo-ip and location databases for enabling the ability to geo-locate users. Something about giving developers the rope to hang themselves with…

jandrewrogers 12 hours ago 2 replies      
This is one of the most infuriating things about traveling internationally. Sites that probably know more about me than I know about myself assume that I am a native of wherever I happen to be at the moment and make it difficult-to-impossible to alter that site behavior.

If I was a completely anonymous user coming in from a location it would be an understandable. But I'm not anonymous, I am logged in to the same account I've been using for a decade that in almost every other use case was US-ian English. So there really isn't any excuse. Absent any active attempt to change settings on my part, that I prefer US-ian centric settings is an easy inference to make even when I travel.

I want to believe there is a rationale for doing things this way but I can't think of one. All it does is make the Internet barely usable when I travel to many countries.

aristidb 10 hours ago 4 replies      
Actually, this problem also exists for native speakers in their own countries. I'm a German in Germany, yet when I'm searching for technical terms, in the overwhelming majority I want English results because they are better. (The German results are often just blog posts regurgitating what somebody else wrote in English.)

It used to be that I could use www.google.de for German searches, and www.google.com/ncr for English searches, but that does not (reliably) work anymore. I now grudgingly type www.google.com/?hl=en in the address bar more often than not.

CrLf 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Desktop applications on Windows are particularly prone to this kind of thing. If you happen to have an english version of Windows, but the locale (timezone, currency) set to another region, many applications assume you also want the interface in that region's language.

This is extremely annoying (especially when there's no way to choose the language manually) and moreso considering there's a way to know the language of the system.

MarkSweep 12 hours ago 3 replies      
If you are traveling and Google is trying to send you to a country specific site, you can use this address to tell Google you actually really want to go to Google.com:


I believe the NCR stands for No Country Redirect.

But as the article points out, many websites make it harder than it aught to be use them from other countries. Some Japenese websites sometimes even actively try to prevent foreigners from using them by require text entry in hiragana and disabling copy-paste with javascript.

seanmcdirmid 11 hours ago 0 replies      
This is a common expat pita. So you move to a new country, the digital world decides that you now must immerse yourself in that country. And its quite true: the expat demographic is minuscule so why bother accommodating it? Its only because the technical barriers for it not being that way are so low, that we expect the digital world to be different from the physical world, but really, each country has its own commerce laws and you have to essentially "break the rules" to say...operate your iTunes account from a non-local address so you can still buy things in English.

Google isn't so bad as long as you login; in fact the first hint I'm not logged in usually comes from a bunch of Chinese search results. Really, this isn't as big a deal as region coding, Netflix, Hulu, and VPNs that are constantly being attacked by your host government.

ramchip 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I've also had several problems with compilers and IDE. Recent example: Visual C++ detects that my computer has a Japanese environment and switches its messages to Japanese. Qt Creator takes these messages and displays them in its output box, in the process borking them completely (---- etc.), even though its own interface is in Japanese as well. Now I couldn't find a switch to make the compiler output English when called on the command line, so I eventually just used VC++ as the main IDE.

A lot of programs require command-line switches on every invocation to change the language if it's not the same as your OS locale.

LargeWu 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Maybe it doesn't work as well as we want it to on the fringes. Maybe, just maybe, there are bugs in their software. I know, it's hard to fathom, bugs in software. Google is not immune to this just because they're Google. The fact that everybody seems to think they are entitled to perfectly working free software products is an amazing testament to the quality of what they produce.

Google products are in fact written by humans, and are therefore imperfect. It will have bugs. So let's all rein in the misplaced outrage and reflect on all the amazing stuff Google provides to us, free of charge.

Then, please go watch this Louis CK clip, and then re-evaluate whether this is worth a blog post.


hcarvalhoalves 37 minutes ago 0 replies      
The classical mistake of assuming the language should be the same as the locale.
curiouscats 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I have experienced the same annoying redirects, even when I correct it - they again redirect to a geo search site. This has been happening less for some reason. Also I use DuckDuckGo a lot more and don't have that problem.

YouTube is even worse. It has all sorts of data on what I view and like... Yet if I travel it acts as though my preferences have drastically changed. This just seems extremely lame. It is the oposite of "organizing the world's information" sensibly. The only way to see non-hyper local completely unwanted videos is a vpn.

The biggest complaint I have is how windows 3.1 like the whole experience is. Let me make my settings and have those stick. Don't hide preferences in some crazy gui (windows style) and make it some hard to retain your preferences. If they want the default behavior to be that search results have little to do with the person and most to do with the geo location Google thinks you are at fine. Just make it obvious what you are doing (showing me massively manipulated results based on location - and tell me what location you think that is). And let me have a simple way to set my preferences to search based on USA location (or if there is some legal reason this can't be done just tell me so I don't wonder why the results are so crazy).

stefanve 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I would really like if they would look at your OS languages and use that. If I am in France (or any other non English speaking country) and I use my English languages device please show me the English site. Also the "you are on a mobile site therefore I show you my crappy mobile site, without the possibility to go do the desktop site" is really annoying especially on a tablet. While most browsers can be set on show desktop site allot of sites just look at the OS. Only browser that works is Opera.
TL;DR stop thinking you know better than your users what languages/site format they want.
devmach 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This drives me crazy all the time.

Even my OS and browser are in English and i made search with "English words" ( eg. "operating system" instead of "Betriebssystem" ), search results are in German because i'm in Germany.

At some level it's acceptable but things get weird when i use my girlfriends notebook ( english OS, chinese browser ) : Now google decides to obey "Accept-Language" and even i sign in with my google account, google switch language to Chinese. Since google tries and fails to being "smart" , i have to switch constantly between English, German and Chinese.

lttlrck 28 minutes ago 0 replies      
It doesn't make much sense that Google switched languages when you wife told it to? You are kidding right?

And you think you are being fair!!!

w00kie 11 hours ago 1 reply      
I have a similar compounded problem:

I live in Japan, my systems are configured in English, but when I'm at the office my internet is routed through a proxy which is somehow localized to India (I have no idea where is its actual location).

- I get Google in English most of the time (though sometimes it will pop back to Japanese)

- Google account settings on the other hand will most of the time show in Japanese (I'm OK though, I know the language)

- Search results include Japanese language websites at home

- I get Japanese ads at home and Indian ads at work, especially funny on Youtube.

- Google Maps is all over the place though, sometimes showing me Japan, India but also defaulting to US of A...

Note: you rant about two settings for language, but that makes sense. I want to see the Google interface in English because this is my preferences for interfaces, but I want local search results including Japanese language websites because that is what's useful to me most of the time.

xiaoma 10 hours ago 1 reply      
I hate this trend, too. I've always felt that if I go to the .com, then it should offer English by default. If I go to google.co.jp, then you can show me Japanese. Living in Taiwan, I did slowly get used to the traditional Chinese character web. But there's no way I want to or even can go through that every time I take a week-long trip somewhere.

Respect the language settings of my browser, or even my machine as a reasonable default and the world is a better place!

zalew 12 hours ago 1 reply      
and the worst part is, it can be solved with a simple tiny link/dropdown 'language' in the header or footer, it's not rocket science.
gbog 4 hours ago 0 replies      
There is also the inverse problem on some input interfaces. I do have to write emails, sms, weibos, HN comments in English, Chinese and French. I don't know how ios handle this issue but on you have to open a thing, tap, close, and it is not very convenient. I use Swype beta, which is actually good, but it is annoying to live in a world where monolingual is the norm.

I have no figure but I'd guess multilingual is actually the norm in many countries.

jswanson 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Google customises its searches to such a degree that I've set up two different quick search keywords in chrome:

ge : will search google.com with primary language = en
g : will search google.co.jp with primary language = jp

I get wildly different result sets every time. And usually, one is spot on with what i'm looking for and the other is useless.

bane 6 hours ago 0 replies      
This drives me crazy when I travel to Korea. I inevitably spend a day or two hunting through preferences to get Google to stop serving me Korean Language pages. Eventually it seems to "stick", but I have to set it back to English at least two or three times.

I never thought about it in terms of personalization, I figured that being in Korea I should be getting Korean pages served to me, and I would have to make the effort to get it back to English.

Nicole060 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I use Windows with an English localization and most of the software installers irk me to no end by defaulting to French because they don't rely on the system language but my location.

I also hate the fact that I have to do something as cumbersome as putting the browser in private mode whenever I'm using someone else's computer to make a search on the english side of google since, like for japan, google.com redirects to google.fr instead of letting me use the US database so I have to go in the preferences and do so in private mode so as to not mess with the cookies as they wouldn't be pleased if their google permanently turned English even on google.fr. God damn it.

Hey GOOGLE, domain names are not just for show, FFS. If I want the French edition, I'll go to google.fr. If I want it in English, I'll go to google.com. Don't mess with something that worked rather well since the beginning of the Internet.

I hate programmers who try to write "smart" software. Software that makes attempts at thinking in your stead. Fuck off ! I know what I want, you don't need to make annoying guess works.

newman314 10 hours ago 0 replies      
The fix:


You should be able to configure your search engine pref (at least in Firefox and Chrome) to reflect this.

mintplant 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Rdio, for one, is restricted by its licensing agreements with the record labels.
jayfuerstenberg 12 hours ago 2 replies      
Yahoo Japan thinks I'm a woman despite my Yahoo profile saying otherwise. All I get is ads for women's undies and makeup.

Google's search is pretty bad too, it really pushes me to the Japanese page even though I want English since the results differ. They hide the English page link way at the bottom in small font text and don't make clear that it's the English version.

jasonlotito 6 hours ago 0 replies      
At least Google let's you keep a single account. Apple is awful in this regard. The App Store experience is the worst I've ever experienced with regards to this problem. I despise it. I point to it a shining example of how despite all the credit they get, they can fail hard at basic elements of usability.
mike_esspe 9 hours ago 0 replies      
There is also a minor problem with google play - it shows local currency, and I couldn't find how to switch it to dollars.
alkimie 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Use Google No Country Redirect.

I struggled with this at length both for my computers and those of my children until I found the obscure google switch:


That tells google not to attempt to redirect to local language. You will have to set this in your search preferences as the google search URL.

Hope this helps,


pinaceae 10 hours ago 0 replies      

there you go.

nihonjon 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Lifehacker and other multinational blogs should take note as well.

The cynic in me wants to tell you that you'll only learn Japanese better if you immerse yourself ;)

laumars 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Language settings aside, this guy also completely misses the point of how CDNs and localised data centres work, and why it's beneficial to serve localised content rather than constantly dragging Japanese traffic through American data centres.
pom 10 hours ago 1 reply      
And amazingly, going to Google Maps still defaults to a map of the US... (edit: when you go to maps.google.com
smagch 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm Japanese.

I'm customizing my Chrome's ominibox to use both google.com and google.co.jp. And I'm also configuring amazon, wikipedia, googlemap and so on the same way.

hoi 10 hours ago 0 replies      
This isn't isolated to google, bing is far worse because it's difficult to switch languages. Then there are a gazillion company product support sites which also default the language for you, particularly tricky when you are looking for a specific driver update.
propercoil 9 hours ago 0 replies      
i was about to post a blog of how angry i am that i see the localized version of google when i change to analytics or change to y adwords account it pisses me off! just give me ENGLISH!
SLuijk 9 hours ago 1 reply      
There is a link at the bottom of the home page called "google.com". It has magic powers!
droidist2 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Perhaps deep down you really want to be Japanese though. Google might know you better than you know yourself.
theprecisionist 12 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm sorry but doesn't a VPN solve this problem?
cientifico 6 hours ago 0 replies      
This is common. I am spanish living in Germany. If you want to change the language the only thing that works is:

- Buy a machine in the contry you want and proxy through it.

ktizo 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm not Japanese.

No shit.

But ever since my wife and I moved to Kyoto, the Internet sure seems to think we are.

The internet does not think. Or if it does, it has weird proto-dreams of kittens and porn. But it does not think of you, or your wife.

Google is supposedly this big, Skynet-like company that lives to collect data on us.

Stop believing the shiny box. It lies.

Yet it's not very smart about language.

Pot. Kettle.

As soon as we stepped foot in the land of the rising sun, it asked my wife if she wanted to display Google in Japanese, and she clicked “yes” by mistake.

And unfortunately, it launched the nukes.

Not only did Google start showing her its user interface in Japanese, but the real problem was that all her search results were from Japanese sites, too!

But it didn't launch the nukes after all, but instead did exactly as instructed.

And going back seemed impossible.

Here in our story, our protagonist discovers entropy.

Going through Google.com instead of Google.co.jp did nothing. Changing her langage settings was just as useless.

My god. Those evil fiends. Is just like that bit in the bible where they build a tower to heaven and stuff.

Turns out Google Search uses a different language preference page.

Wooo! We have finality. There are two preference panes. Which are really hard to find if you change language to something you cant read by pressing the wrong buttons.

And furthermore, google are just a big company and have no magic wizards that do magic and stuff. They do not know what you are thinking unless you are within a couple of meters at best. So do not expect things to know what you meant to do but didn't for at least the next 2 years or so.

Berliner: Sinatra like Framework written in 16 lines of CoffeeScript. jcoglan.com
38 points by axx  6 hours ago   33 comments top 15
pygy_ 4 hours ago 3 replies      
For those who wish to see the non-minified source:

The code has not been minified, except perhaps for the replacement of the (carriage return+indent) by semi-columns. Most variable names are semantic.

For sure, the 16 LoC thing is misleading, but the whole thing weights around 3.5 KB, which is impressive for the amount of functionality packed in it.

Let's take the first two lines:

    [J,M,duc,euc,n,e,w]=[JSON,Math,decodeURIComponent,encodeURIComponent,((p)->p.replace(/\/*$/,'').replace /^\/?/,'/'),((d,s)->d[k]=(if d[k]instanceof Array then d[k].concat v else v)for k,v of s;d),(s,c)->s.split(/\s+/).map c]
[http,url,qs,fs,async,WS,E,haml,ejs,mime]=w 'http url querystring fs async faye-websocket vault/node/aes haml ejs mime',require

For iOS readers, you can scroll the code box using two fingers.



is quite obvious. So is the second line except perhaps for the use of the w function. It splits the input string on spaces in an array and maps the callback passed as second argument (in this case, require, if you didn't scroll til the end of the line). We'll come to its meaning later.

    n = (p)->p.replace(/\/*$/,'').replace /^\/?/,'/' 
# normalize?(path??) not sure about his one.
# p is also used elsewhere as a generic name.

e = (d,s)->d[k]=(if d[k]instanceof Array then d[k].concat v else v)for k,v of s;d)
# extend(destination, source)
# k and v are obviously key and value.

w = (s,c)->s.split(/\s+/).map c]
# w(string, callback)

In Ruby, w%foo bar baz% is a shortcut for creating an array of strings ["foo","bar","baz"]. The w method here is enhanced version of this, and a nod to _why, who often used it to require a bunch of libraries at the top of his scripts. See for example https://github.com/camping/camping/blob/ddea5760289a4de3c270...

For those who don't know about him, _why is the author of Camping, the grand-father of golf Web microframeworks. The current version doesn't use the w trick anymore because the reduction of dependencies made the normal method shorter. Here's the code (possibly NSFL for some...):


and its heavily commented (but as terse, codewise) version:


Camping used to be the go to ruby microframework until _why's disappearance. Then dev stalled for a while and Sinatra took its place. It has since been revamped and is actively maintained.

Neither Camping nor Berliner are meant for professional use, obviously.

debacle 5 hours ago 3 replies      
Sixteen disgustingly ugly minified lines don't count.
Argorak 5 hours ago 0 replies      
For those that don't see the context: This was written at eurucamp, where we had a talk about a minimal Sinatra in 8 lines. (Almost Sinatra)
whalesalad 4 hours ago 4 replies      
I'm disappointed that this is mostly a joke. I really like the docs and have been looking for something along these lines lately.
FuzzyDunlop 1 hour ago 0 replies      
This was written in response to a talk at Eurucamp over the weekend, about re-writing Sinatra in as few lines of code as possible.

While somewhat tongue in cheek it was as much about being creative with the language as it was about obfuscation and writing 'bad' code.


vgrichina 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Funny that so many commenters don't recognize trolling of CoffeeScript developers/frameworks
j45 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Will real, lasting apps be built in this?

I'm not sure why languages need to put on a programming pageant.

If it works for you, great, use it to build something cool. I've regularly used about a dozen languages in the last decade. End user Customers don't care what I code in as long as I make their life easier, not just my own.

By taking the time to learn what I'm using for yourself these kinds of comparisons would be a lot more productive than trying to build up the coolness factor. Many Languages were made in the 90's. Even more frameworks come and go, most aim to do similar things, over and over. Maybe it's just me, bulls something for the world.

arturadib 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Wait, how's this different from Express?

The whole "in X lines" makes a lot more sense in the browser context (as it needs to download the script), not so much on the server side.

lucian1900 5 hours ago 1 reply      
It's just minified. There are some half-decent ideas in there, it appears to be a half-hearted, lame joke.
olegp 5 hours ago 0 replies      
If you prefer synchronous server side JavaScript, I would recommend also checking out Stick, a CommonJS compatible Sinatra like framework that can also be used from CoffeeScript: https://github.com/olegp/stick
franze 5 hours ago 0 replies      
well, at first i was excited because i would love an express like router/framework with a code base that i can grok in <15 minutes.

then i saw the code https://github.com/jcoglan/berliner/blob/coffee/berliner.cof... and think this is just lame.

would like to see the real code.

ndaversa 5 hours ago 0 replies      
16 lines, not really, 16 x 80 characters = 16 lines.

Otherwise, cool project.

toomuchcoffee 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Umm, "lines"?
mdgrech23 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Can we see the real source please?
jedahan 4 hours ago 0 replies      
PayPal Trumps Square's Deal With Starbucks by Partnering With Discover allthingsd.com
33 points by zachh  5 hours ago   34 comments top 14
e1ven 3 hours ago 2 replies      
Part of where I get confused here, is that Paypal already has a debit card...
Given the prevalence of places that accept debit cards to buy things, how is this a revolution?


derwiki 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Fry: Do you take Visa?

Clerk: Visa hasn't existed for 500 years.

Fry: American Express?

Clerk: 600 years.

Fry: Discover Card?

Clerk: Sorry, we don't take Discover.

s_henry_paulson 4 hours ago 1 reply      
As with many new technology advances in the finance sector, I predict this to be use for crime.

Right now it's easy for criminals to get money into paypal accounts, but difficult to get money in their hands, because it often requires steps that involve tying a transaction to a bank account or something traceable.

If someone can just walk into a store and type a couple of numbers into a keypad and walk out with items worth cash, it gives the criminals an easy gateway to spend their ill-gotten funds.

X-Istence 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Sorry, but I as one of those 50 million Paypal users will continue to refuse to do business using Paypal unless absolutely necessary for ease of use (sadly there still is no easier way to have people pay me for services besides PayPal from various other countries in the world).

I don't trust them with my money, and I certainly don't trust them to handle it correctly.

nrj 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Fry: Do you take Visa?

Clerk: Visa hasn't existed for 500 years.

Fry: American Express?

Clerk: 600 years.

Fry: Discover Card?

Clerk: Sorry, we don't take Discover.

sp332 5 hours ago 2 replies      
But PayPal still refuses to be regulated like a bank, right? And how long will it be before "PayPal is holding my funds" stories go mainstream?
podperson 5 hours ago 1 reply      
I think Starbucks are more common than places that take Discover.
paulsutter 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Starbucks using pay-by-name will be a breakthrough, assuming that's where the Square partnership is going. Since Starbucks is already asking for your name when you order coffee, it could turn into a great customer experience that would build broad momentum for pay-by-name.

Is this PayPal agreement just adding a new and more complicated option to the existing terminal base? Will retail clerks even know what it is, and will there be any reason for a consumer to migrate from credit card use?

ankeshk 4 hours ago 1 reply      
This news is exciting because it marks the beginning of offline wallet-less transactions. You can go to a store with nothing and end up buying something with your phone number and a pin code.

PayPal retains its crown for convenient payments. Making offline payments with your phone number and a pin code indeed seems like the future.

Its unfortunate however that PayPal is not vendor friendly.

dr_ 2 hours ago 0 replies      
this is wrong. Only because it's not that different from most payment mechanisms already in place.
Squares goal, it seems, is to allow vendors to build a better relationship with their customers, which can hopefully increase sales. In the longer term, it's a software play and I think Starbucks realizes this.
PayPal is just another method of paying for your stuff and leaving the store, maybe never to return.
smallegan 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Square is a way for businesses to accept credit cards. Paypal is a "bank" that offers a type of credit card. I fail to see how they are really competitors. Square takes Discover so the way I see this is Square just got the ability to accept Paypal?
joshontheweb 3 hours ago 0 replies      
PayPal recently turned off my account because I was unable to verify my address with a call to a landline ( don't have one ). I have little faith for their future. This discover partnership is something that should have been done years ago. It's too late now IMO.
jasonlingx 1 hour ago 0 replies      
PayPal stopped innovating a long time ago. This isn't going to save them.
ConstantineXVI 4 hours ago 0 replies      
This makes it sound like PayPal's proxying through Discover; building within their platform. I don't see any potential way this could backfire when Discover decides it wants to do it's own mobile payments. None at all.
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What I think is the canonical HN ebook is going to miss its votes.
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