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Angry Nerds atlassian.com
141 points by kevinburke 3 hours ago   18 comments top 11
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16 points by zzzmarcus 1 hour ago 2 replies      
I love the "Cease and desist - Rovio" testimonial. Wouldn't surprise me if that became a reality since they're selling merch. Awesome idea though.
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7 points by Stormbringer 56 minutes ago 0 replies      
The Agilista

More process than progress. This dev fails fast and fails often.

Special Move:

Drops a jargon bomb on each level.

Priceless :D

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16 points by brianwillis 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Ladies and gentlemen, April Fool's day has arrived (at least in Australia).
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1 point by mr_pppoe 2 minutes ago 0 replies      
The dev manager
The most useless character in the game.
Nobody is quite sure what this character does.

Can't agree more, :P

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2 points by fjw 54 minutes ago 1 reply      
Should have included at least one other level design.. definitely made me laugh though.

Also: clicking on the App Store/Android link opens the game in full screen in case anyone is interested.

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3 points by anactofgod 1 hour ago 0 replies      
April Fools?!?

Now, I'm really angry... nerds...

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3 points by dcosson 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Haha, this is awesome. And fairly accurate.
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2 points by Brashman 1 hour ago 1 reply      
I'd love to see the Nerds vs Plants mentioned.
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2 points by erik_p 1 hour ago 0 replies      
The level design is a little repetitive... :P
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1 point by thascales 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Ooh! I'm really good at this game!
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-2 points by sitkack 1 hour ago 0 replies      
You can't lose. Lame.
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Solarized - Color scheme for vim, mutt, terminal emulators ethanschoonover.com
101 points by lamnk 3 hours ago   40 comments top 11
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16 points by daleharvey 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Its really rare to see that much thought going into the aesthetics of stereotypically "geeky" applications like vim and terminals, even the website looks entirely different from pretty much every website I have seen around these tools

its a refreshing change, awesome work

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5 points by tptacek 1 hour ago 1 reply      
So, my mind is blown that you put so much effort into designing a color scheme, and thanks, but maybe put the img/ directory in your git repo somewhere else, so that a git pull of a color scheme doesn't take 50(!) megs.
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1 point by brianr 21 minutes ago 0 replies      
I don't know about the rest of you, but my eyes literally started to hurt when I read the text on that page, presumably because of the color of the text v. background. Doesn't bode well for using it in vim...

Maybe it looks better on a different monitor? (I have a Samsung LCD.)

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6 points by lamnk 3 hours ago 13 replies      
Please share your favorite color scheme(s) !

My favorite for gvim/MacVim is molokai: http://winterdom.com/2008/08/molokaiforvim , seconded by vividchalk when i'm on the terminal: https://github.com/tpope/vim-vividchalk

Haven't found any good color scheme for iterm2 yet. Currently i'm using thayer: http://ecto-plazm.deviantart.com/gallery/

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4 points by julian37 2 hours ago 1 reply      
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2 points by moe 2 hours ago 3 replies      
I don't like this scheme and I don't buy the pseudo-science blurb. It's based on shades of blue. Our eyes are the least sensitive to blue. And what's up with the red and pink, is this some cruel joke?

I'll stick with Zenburn[1].

[1] http://slinky.imukuppi.org/zenburn/

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1 point by aidenn0 2 hours ago 1 reply      
It would be nice to have a script that would start with this as a base, but let you tune the contrast. I like the theme, but would like more contrast than this (I use small fonts, and I really feel like more contrast is necessary when doing so).
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1 point by flexterra 36 minutes ago 0 replies      
My favorite vim color scheme is two2tango. Here's a preview http://cl.ly/2Y0v251z0A29203K3d3D
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1 point by iwjames 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Very nice! It is indeed amazing how much thought and effort was put into this, and it is appreciated. At some point, I'll have to convert for Visual Studio use if someone doesn't beat me to it.
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2 points by kunalb 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I found the theme rather comfortable for using in the terminal; however I set TERM=xterm-256color so that vim would also pick up the light colour schemeā€"there seemed to be some issues with the background colour on gnome-terminal/Ubuntu.

Thanks!

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2 points by mark_story 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Fantastic work. If I happen upon some spare time I'll try and port it for TextMate users.
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How to damage your brand in one smooth shot - Way to GoDaddy jacquesmattheij.com
409 points by RiderOfGiraffes 8 hours ago   265 comments top 70
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87 points by c2 7 hours ago replies      
I guess I'll be the lone discenting voice and say I don't think it's that bad. Bob Parsons has always run his company the way he wants, and he has particular freedom to do so since he has zero investors and is the sole owner. He does certain things for shock value, such as the super bowl commercials, which by the way caused outage with a completely different demographic of people.

Slaughtering an elephant might offend some of your sensibilities, but hunting in Africa is wide spread and as long as the elephant is not endangered, I don't think your outrage has a leg to stand on. The elephant was used as food and now crops are protected.

There are much worse things going on in America's food industry then this. In fact if anything if that elephant could feed the village I'd say this was actually a good thing.

I can understand how this might offend vegetarians but even then, it's not like the animal was wasted.

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51 points by mayank 7 hours ago 1 reply      
As someone who has worked with ecologists in the field on a number of wildlife projects in rural Africa, I find this to be truly repugnant. There are many ways of controlling "problem elephants" other than killing them -- in fact, killing an elephant is almost never an option. If the villagers don't have the financial resources to implement non-lethal control measures, I'm sure Bob Parsons does.
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54 points by run4yourlives 8 hours ago 3 replies      
Wow. Just wow.

Having been to Africa and seen elephants in the wild up close, among other animals, I simply can't stomach that I'm supporting a bunch of fat white Americans flying half way around the world to destroy a magnificent animal simply because they can.

I'll be moving my domains away from GoDaddy asap.

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29 points by RiderOfGiraffes 8 hours ago 2 replies      
Note: Submitted by me, by hand, after reading the posting and deciding it's relevant to startups.

Branding is important, and what you do with your brand is important. Actions speak louder than words. Google is still associated with "Do no Evil," but that's starting to wear a little thin as some of their actions belie the mantra. Similarly, you can get people chanting a slogan, but if you do something wrong, people will notice, and the backlash can be severe.

I would add that this:

  > There is no way to explain all this in a way that does
> not make GoDaddy and it's CEO look good, and plenty of
> ways to interpret it as bad.

... appears to have either too many or not enough negatives. I suggest it should read:

  > There is no way to explain all this in a way that makes
> GoDaddy and it's CEO look good, and plenty of ways to
> interpret it as bad.

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13 points by rriepe 8 hours ago 2 replies      
I don't agree with GoDaddy's lowest common denominator branding strategy, but it seems to have served them well over the years. It's hard to argue with results.

Make no mistake though, this is just as much a part of their branding strategy as their stupid, tasteless Super Bowl commercials. They'll probably make a token PR apology to hedge their bets here, but this reinforces their "brand" more than it damages it.

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25 points by maukdaddy 8 hours ago 1 reply      
What a truly awful stunt & person. How can he even live with himself for this?
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9 points by jrockway 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I doubt that even a video of Parsons raping small children would affect their sales. As long as they are slightly cheaper than other registrars and offer the same functionality, they will always have customers. People don't vote with their wallets, and have very short memories anyway.

(DNS is something I consider too important to delegate to the lowest bidder, but I am apparently a minority.)

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12 points by jaysonelliot 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I have thirty domains registered with GoDaddy. I'm taking all of them somewhere else now - just need to figure out who the best competitor to go to is.
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9 points by powertower 6 hours ago 3 replies      
Let's see who this outrage is coming from:

1) Someone who has never gone hungry for a single day in his/her life.

2) Someone who has consumed 100s of chickens, many cattle, and many other animals so far... Most of which have been literally tortured all their lives.

3) Someone who has never gone to Africa to help, but sits around all day posting his/her opinion on how things there (and everywhere else in the world) should be done.

I'll give you a secret. Want to change the world? Change yourself. It's the only way. Stop complaining. Stop finger pointing. Stop exerting yourself on others.

But yes... I do agree that it would have been best for GoDaddy to not post this.

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29 points by d2 6 hours ago 1 reply      
What I find most distasteful is the lie that he "saved a village and fed them". That's just bullshit.

There are more guns in Zimbabwe than most other parts of Africa. If the locals really wanted that elephant gone, it would have been machine gunned by two guys arriving on foot.

What really happened here is that a hunting party arrived, killed an elephant and left the carcass for the locals to eat.

What a hero.

PS: I spent my childhood and early 20's in South Africa and we hate this great-white-hunter tourist shit, but it sure pays the bills if you're the driver guide or booking agent.

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18 points by jonknee 7 hours ago 1 reply      
The part that struck me the most odd is he claims that this is the most fulfilling thing he does. He must be pretty hard up for fulfilling activities.
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4 points by dools 4 hours ago 0 replies      
In my opinion, the animal cruelty side of this pails in comparison to the total and utter obtuseness of playing an AC/DC track over the top of a bunch of people who are clearly starving scrambling for a hunk of meet like some post apocalyptic nightmare!!

It doesn't really surprise me coming from this guy because the he is obviously obtuse (NASCAR sponsorship, Pamela Anderson ads etc.) but I found the graphic pictures of the slaughtered elephant far less confronting than the fact that he turned the life or death struggle of these desperate people into a sideshow spectacle for his PR exercise.

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11 points by locopati 7 hours ago 1 reply      
So, to recap: sexist advertising campaigns for the benefit of the entire company == OK; the CEO shooting an elephant == boycott. To be clear, I'm in no way agreeing with his actions, but it was getting fed up with the advertising that got me to dump GoDaddy for DynDNS long before anything like this occurred.
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14 points by grandalf 8 hours ago 3 replies      
Anyone who has had the misfortune of registering a domain with GoDaddy and using its horrible user interface to try to adjust DNS settings will not be surprised by this.

GoDaddy should have been out of business a long time ago just due to the horrid usability of its product.

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6 points by logjam 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I will be on the phone with each and every person I know who has a domain.

We will discuss whether or not they happen to be using this cowardly imbecile's business.

I will describe this horrible little gutless advertising stunt.

We will work to switch them over to another company immediately.

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9 points by uptown 8 hours ago 1 reply      
In the grand scheme of things, my 27 domains switched from GoDaddy won't change much from their company's perspective, but I will not continue to use them as a domain registrar because of this.
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6 points by elvirs 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Why did the village need Bob to shoot the elephant? What, the villagers do not have guns? or do not know how to use them?
these guys use AK-47 since childhood and those villagers are much better hunters than an american rich guy who just arrived on a helicopter.
The real story is that local villagers are not allowed to kill elephants and are fined if they do so. the american smartass bribed corrupted local government to let him shoot the elephant. Local corrupted head of municipality gets a couple of thousands of dollars (which makes him the richest man in the surrounding are) and the american guy (and his brand) gain cheap publicity back at home. everybody wins, except the elephant, but who cares about the elephant, right?
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4 points by pdx 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I cringed seeing the neighboring villagers trampling the same field that the elephants had been trampling. Talk about unintended consequences.
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9 points by rapcal 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Unfortunately all my domains are with GoDaddy. Moving them ASAP. It is unacceptable for such a big company to have its CEO involved in something like this.

For years we've been discussing social responsibilities of the enterprise (I've been on it since 1998 here in Brazil) and then we see something like this. If it has the potential to make one disappointed and wonder if she shouldn't give up the fight, it also makes one see that discussing the social impacts and actions of businesses is still tremendously important and necessary.

I'm proud to be on the right side of the fight. And I'm ashamed of having my domains hosted with the slaughterhouse registrar.

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9 points by orbenn 8 hours ago 5 replies      
This is stupid. If the elephant is going to be shot by a warden anyway, WHY NOT let some rich american shoot it? Why does it matter WHO shoots the elephant? It doesn't!

If you want to argue about whether the elephant SHOULD have been killed, that's fine. There is plenty to debate there. But who does the shooting is of no importance.

That said he's right that as a CEO you represent your company--especially when you're handing out swag. Probably not a smart PR move.

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9 points by tikna 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Can't believe this thing. I bought a domain name just 5 minutes back, and now I am feeling disgust.

I have around 60 domains with godaddy, and after watching this I don't think I will go for any more. Let the unimportant ones expire this year, and I'll transfer the rest to somewhere else.

Can someone suggest me a good registrar?

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2 points by bitwize 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Remember when Acclaim seriously considered advertising its games on tombstones?

Yeah, way to top that in the lack of taste department.

Guess who I'm not registering domains with.

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3 points by mcherm 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I agree that it's a horrible stunt, but I don't see how it can harm GoDaddy's reputation. As far as I am concerned, GoDaddy's reputation is so far down in the dumps that it is difficult for it to sink any lower, and that is based on their behavior as a registrar, not stunts by the CEO.
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2 points by drivebyacct2 4 hours ago 0 replies      
What amazes me is that anyone here cares about GoDaddy, and as much as it pains me to imagine, there are probably people here that do business with GoDaddy.

It's a shame really. Your loss.

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1 point by ChuckMcM 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Following in the footsteps of Thomas Edison? [1] I've never been a fan of the phrase "Any publicity is good publicity." But damaging the brand? I don't know that it rises to that level. Because the guy slaughter's elephants you think he can't maintain a credible domain registry? Now if he was running a shelter for abandoned big game animals, sure it would be a challenge but this is the guy who uses large mammary glands as a marketing tool.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsy_%28elephant%29

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2 points by imechura 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I needed to purchase a name today.

BTW, I found this...

GODADDY.COM TRADEMARK LIST

Below find a list of Go Daddy's registered and pending trademarks. Please note that these brand guidelines apply to, but are not limited to, the following marks.

Registered Trademarks

Blue RazorĀ®
Blue Razor Logo Black/White
Bob ParsonsĀ®
CashParkingĀ®
Cool Name. Hot Prices.Ā®
DaddyĀ®
Domain AlertĀ®
Domain Name AftermarketĀ®
DomainNameAftermarket.comĀ®
Domains By ProxyĀ®
Domains By Proxy Logo with Star
Domains Priced RightĀ®
Express Email MarketingĀ®
Go DaddyĀ®
Go Daddy Head Logo
Go Daddy Logo with Star
GoDaddy.comĀ®
GoDaddy.com Logo
GoDaddy.com Logo on Black
GoDaddy.com Logo with Tagline
Go Daddy AuctionsĀ®
Go Daddy CaresĀ®
Go Daddy Connections Logo
Go Daddy GirlsĀ®
Go Daddy Hosting ConnectionĀ®
Go Daddy MarketplaceĀ®
GoDaddy.tvĀ®
Hot Prices. Serious Support.Ā®
Mad DogĀ®
Mad Dog Domains and Cattle CompanyĀ®
Mad Dog Logo
Make A .COM Name With Us!Ā®
Online File FolderĀ®
Quick BlogcastĀ®
Quick Shopping CartĀ®
Radio Go DaddyĀ®
SmartRegistrationĀ®
SmartSpaceĀ®
SSL Certificate Logo
StarfieldĀ®
Starfield Logo
StealthRayĀ®
The Web is Your Domain!Ā®
The Web is Your Domain! Logo
There's A Name For People Like You!Ā®
Traffic BlazerĀ®
Traffic Blazer Logo
Transfer ConciergeĀ®
Turbo SSLĀ®
Verified by Starield SecureĀ®
Verified by Starfield Secure Logo
WebSite TonightĀ®
Wild WestĀ®
Wild West Domains Logo on White
Your identity is nobody's business but ours.Ā®

Pending Trademarks

4GHā„¢
Claim Your Domainā„¢
Data Center on Demandā„¢
Data Widgetsā„¢
Domains, websites & everything* in between!ā„¢
Domains, websites & everything* in between! Logo
Dream Design Teamā„¢
Dream Design Team Logo
Expert Handsā„¢
Go Daddy Savings Networkā„¢
GoDaddy.coā„¢
GoDaddy.co Logo
GoDaddy.com SSL Seal Logo
Social Visibilityā„¢
Video.MEā„¢
We Make Websites Easyā„¢
Web Professionals' Dayā„¢
Website Protection Seal Logo

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9 points by kqueue 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I like the ad unit at the top of the blog page.
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4 points by danielsoneg 8 hours ago 1 reply      
What "Brand"? We ARE talking about the same company that puts out ads which double as Cinemax's 11pm lineup, right?
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7 points by efnx 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This is the final straw for me, godaddy has a horrible UI that looks like a toplinks page and functions much the same I presume. I've been wanting to move my domains from godaddy for years, but haven't due to laziness. What are the best alternatives?
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7 points by awesomea 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Thanks for putting this out there. Just transferred my domains and hosting away from GoDaddy. I won't even get into how I hate the needless killing of ANY animal. There are almost always alternatives.
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3 points by matthewslotkin 4 hours ago 0 replies      
If Bob is so invested in selfless help, why doesn't he drop some cash and build a fence to permanently keep the elephants out?

Also, to those suggesting that killing this elephant is chill because it fed a lot of people, I'm pretty sure there are more cost effective ways to feed people than mobilizing an elephant hunting squad.

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2 points by rdl 5 hours ago 0 replies      
This isn't something I'd do, but doesn't really seem like the biggest outrage ever.

There is one rifle shot which would remove a clear threat to everyone in Zimbabwe and the region. If the CEO of someone like Xe flew in and took that shot, I'd be happy to transfer all my domains to his company. (Mugabe, obviously)

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3 points by motters 6 hours ago 0 replies      
This merely ensures that I will never use GoDaddy's services, and I'll also advise others not to use them.
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1 point by CWuestefeld 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I haven't watched the video (I'm at work now), but are elephants currently protected? I recently read about a program where African elephants are being sterilized because the populations have grown so large that they're becoming a problem.
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2 points by Artagra 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Well, I'm pretty sure this won't be a popular response, but anyway.

Firstly, I'm not really referring to this specific case. I think the video is tasteless and in many ways vile. However, I want to comment specifically on trophy hunting.

In my opinion, allowing big game hunters to pay for trophy animals is an important and integral part of animal conservation. In many impoverished African countries, their is little to no government funding to conserve animals.

Yes, there are risk factors. But personally, I believe the additional amount of animals that are killed due to the argument of excess demand is a lot less than the number of animals saved by the increased funding for poaching prevention.

Furthermore, I believe the economic benefits of this to the local community hugely improve the lives of the local people (who I believe are a lot more important than the elephants, as important as I think the elephants are), and that this improvement will decrease poaching.

To summarize:
- I agree that Trophy hunting can have negative effects.
- However, I believe the positives for animal conservation of Trophy Hunting offset the negatives in two major ways.
- Trophy Hunting decreases the ease with which poaching takes place by funding anti-poaching measures.
- Trophy Hunting decreases the extent to which poaching takes place by improving the situation of the local communities.

So if you are pro animal conservation, and pro human rights, you should be pro Trophy Hunting. IMHO.

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10 points by shakedown 8 hours ago 6 replies      
This is terrible. Anyone have any suggestions for a registrar to switch to from GoDaddy?
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1 point by esmevane 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I see that most of the folks here are choosing to discuss the morality of this video; some are electing to defend, and some showing disapproval.

What I'm finding odd about these reactions is that, viewing other people's reactions (outside of the delicate shell of opinion here), the clear conclusion is that this is a PR disaster. From the Twitter search alone, in the last 2-3 minutes, my feed has gone up easily hundreds of entries, all of them agreeing about their distaste for this event.

Isn't that where the real knowledge is, here? Whether or not you agree that this was a bad decision, it undeniably harms the brand in what could be a catastrophic way.

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8 points by craigmccaskill 7 hours ago 0 replies      
GoDaddy has now lost all current and any future custom they might have had from me.
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4 points by baggachipz 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Well, GoDaddy is getting mentioned on HN and Reddit, so... mission accomplished?

Personally, I got fed up with their insulting commercials, horrible interface, and crappy service long ago. I've since switched registrars and haven't regretted it for a second.

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3 points by cloudbrain 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Facts:
1) GoDaddy has been doing crazy stunts forever (see rejected Super Bowl ads)
2) GoDaddy is the largest registrar, with 31% market share (http://www.webhosting.info/registrars/top-registrars/global)

Given the above, I would say:
1) He knows exactly what he is doing and why
2) It is working*

*meaning growing the company, making lots of money, returning value to shareholders etc.

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3 points by callmeed 8 hours ago 0 replies      
So much for Groupon's Super Bowl commercial looking bad ...
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3 points by rokhayakebe 6 hours ago 1 reply      
You have to wonder who is/are the animal(s) here?
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1 point by dennisgorelik 39 minutes ago 0 replies      
There is no bad publicity.
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3 points by olegious 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Never using GoDaddy again. I'm not a vegetarian or a leftist, but glorifying the murder of an endangered species is sickening.
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2 points by kreek 7 hours ago 0 replies      
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3 points by navs 6 hours ago 0 replies      
GoDaddy will need an extra sexy ad campaign to calm the crowd.
Maybe Danica Patrick will ride an elephant.

Elephant killing aside, I can't use GoDaddy's hosting/domain control panel. Settings feel buried under layers of links and is just confusing.

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1 point by technomancy 7 hours ago 0 replies      
It's almost as if Achewood's 2011 predictions are coming true three months early: http://achewood.com/index.php?date=01052011
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1 point by hncommenter13 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Obviously late to the discussion, but surprised no one has posted a link to this famous Orwell essay:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_an_Elephant
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3 points by ericmoritz 7 hours ago 1 reply      
GoDaddy is one skanky company. Buying a domain is a chore. You have to walk through a minefield of up sells. The ads are gross. All that hassle is just not worth the couple dollars I save every year.
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2 points by mapster 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Bad taste, up, down, left, and right. He removed any reverence of the hunt, respect of the animal. Just him, his orange hats, his gun, his camera, his killing, his audio track of choice, his vacation video. Ugly rich guy video #93,275
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1 point by ddemchuk 6 hours ago 0 replies      
This is going to have about as much effect on GoDaddy's userbase and bottom line as did all of the privacy concerns last year with Facebook.

A sliver of a fraction of GoDaddy customers will ever see that video or even hear about it. Most people buy domains there because they have hot chicks in super bowl commercials.

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1 point by Kilimanjaro 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I hate godaddy to death, guys, but I use them because they offer most tlds around the world easily (me, ly, at, to, etc)(that's the only easy thing they do)

If you can name at least five registrars with world wide reach please do so, so we can have a better option next time.

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1 point by Artagra 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Well, I'm pretty sure this won't be a popular response, but anyway.

Firstly, I'm not really referring to this specific case. I think the video is tasteless and in many ways vile. However, I want to comment specifically on trophy hunting.

In my opinion, allowing big game hunters to pay for trophy animals is an important and integral part of animal conservation. In many impoverished African countries, their is little to no government funding to conserve animals.

Yes, there are risk factors. But personally, I believe the additional amount of animals that are killed due to the argument of excess demand is a lot less than the number of animals saved by the increased funding for poaching prevention.

Furthermore, I believe the economic benefits of this to the local community hugely improve the lives of the local people (who I believe are a lot more important than the elephants, as important as I think the elephants are), and that this improvement will decrease poaching.

To summarize:
- I agree that Trophy hunting can have negative effects.
- However, I believe the positives of Trophy Hunting offset the negatives in two major ways:

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2 points by fourstar 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Godaddy sucks and has for... ever. I've been with Namecheap and I'd recommend them any day.
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3 points by HowardRoark 7 hours ago 0 replies      
There can be no explanation for this. I think we should all boycott GoDaddy.
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2 points by rottyguy 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I'll paraphrase Justice Stewart: "I may never be able to intelligibly explain human cruelty, but I'll know it when I see it". Looking forward to seeing him on the news circuit dancing around like a, uhm..., wounded elephant.
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1 point by rishi 6 hours ago 0 replies      
the worst part about this is that it totally worked on me. I now know about their video.me product.
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1 point by ALXfoo 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Look at all these passionate discussions. Positively and negatively charged, both sides full of fiery opinion.

I thought this was supposed to be a terrible publicity stunt. I say it worked.

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0 points by knofun 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I don't think this will have any tangible effect on GoDaddy's brand except for maybe a slight increase in visibility via the free press you are giving them right this second.

As far as actually shooting the animal, I'm not an African game warden so I can't give any scientific or even remotely educated comment. That being said, the only facts I know are these:
Bob Parsons shot and killed an elephant in a completely legal way, and was so proud of what he did that he had a professional make and edit a video which he then posted on the internet.
The people in the video seem grateful and excited that he has done this. They are also wearing godaddy hats.
This morning, a lot of people who weren't there are passing judgement.

I guess I'm just confused as to the source of the controversy?

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2 points by ndaugherty18 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I really like how he through in some ACDC while all the hugry people are fighting for the food. Classy.
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1 point by jrspruitt 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I would agree with most on here, this is par for the course considering the companies branding already, which is pretty cheap low rent stuff. He's coming across as the "dickish" "most interesting man in the world" here. And I agree it should be a game warden duty to handle such situations, for the same reason McD's wouldn't allow old food to be eaten by employees, because it would increase the chances of there being more "old food." But the thing that really bugs me is the end, why not have it properly butchered and dispersed that way? Instead of something that reminds me of Bum Fights. Class is obviously not part of their branding in anyway.
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0 points by monochromatic 7 hours ago 2 replies      
This was a reasonable post when it was about it was stupid to mix up GoDaddy's corporate image with this stuff. But this:

> It's a good thing that I have all my domains with another registrar or I'd be forced to move them.

is way over the top. Nobody's forcing you to do anything. If you choose to buy into the "CEO image = corporate image" thing, then fine, move your business elsewhere. But I kind of thought the point of the post was that it's kind of silly, but yeah, people do conflate those things.

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1 point by SeoxyS 6 hours ago 0 replies      
GoDaddy had a positive brand before? I didn't realize there was anything left to damage.
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1 point by raarky 5 hours ago 1 reply      
ok, so who can recommend a good domain company I can transfer all my domains to?
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-2 points by LudoTheGreat 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Technically it was two shots...
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-1 point by neutronicus 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Going falconing is on my bucket list, so I can't get too angry.
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-1 point by sdizdar 6 hours ago 0 replies      
So it is ok to have show on cable TV where people shoot animals for fun (or our politicians doing that) and but we are disgusted of killing animal for food and protect the crops.

This is good very PR move because it hits the center of hypocrisy in wester societies: our "love" of animals.

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-3 points by dman 8 hours ago 1 reply      
On the other hand NRA members might now choose GoDaddy as their registrar and webhost.
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-1 point by NZ_Matt 7 hours ago 1 reply      
I blame Disney. Killing an Elephant that is clearly a pest is no different than the thousands of businessmen that shoot Deer and Tahr for sport every year.

Dickish move by Bob tho, he's truly testing the adage that "any publicity is good publicity".

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-3 points by michaeldhopkins 6 hours ago 0 replies      
This is perfectly acceptable, and all the bravado about moving domains looks silly. Obviously, the local citizens (tour guides) in this video didn't want to tell the warden about the elephant.

Additionally, I have no doubt the owners of many registrars do objectionable things. The devil you know...

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Why GNU grep is fast freebsd.org
156 points by shawndumas 5 hours ago   33 comments top 11
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44 points by jrockway 4 hours ago 1 reply      
The key to making programs fast is to make them do practically nothing.

This is the Ultimate Truth of optimizing computer programs, and it seems so few people understand it.

"Why can't you make Python faster!?" Because Python does a lot of stuff without you asking.

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14 points by DarkShikari 4 hours ago 2 replies      
- Roll your own unbuffered input using raw system calls.

A small toy project I wrote last year was a modification of GNU grep that did the opposite -- it aggressively prefetched ahead of the file it was currently reading. This helped performance dramatically on fragmented data (e.g. tons of small files).

For most typical greps (at least of files as opposed to standard input), "grep" is likely disk-bound, not CPU-bound.

(Note: I mean literal prefetch, not actually reading the file from disk. This is important because file input is a blocking operation in UNIX -- the thread blocks when read() is called and can only be resumed when the read is complete, unlike the case of output. This prevents the filesystem from reordering or merging multiple reads unless they come simultaneously from different threads. This is why reads are often slower than writes on typical data.)

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20 points by yan 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Obligatory post by ridiculous_fish on grep's speed optimizations: http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/archives/2006/05/30/old-age-a...
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30 points by RiderOfGiraffes 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Dup: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1626305

Many, many, many comments there.

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11 points by aidenn0 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Interestingly enough, awk is many times faster for an inverted grep (grep -v) than grep is. Get a large file and test yourself!

grep -v regex
awk '$0 !~ /regex/ {print}'

This is possibly due largely to this not helping in that case:

GNU grep AVOIDS BREAKING THE INPUT INTO LINES.

awk is very fast at breaking the input into lines (that's what it spends most of the day doing!). I don't understand why it's so much slower though. (I had a 100+MB log file that I was searching when I discovered this).

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7 points by juiceandjuice 4 hours ago 2 replies      
I have some serious love for mmap.

I don't know how many people's code I've optimized by eliminating:

FILE *f;

f = open("file.dat","r")

f.read(...)

and replacing it with mmap'd I/O

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4 points by ecaron 4 hours ago 0 replies      
This is discussed best in the opening chapter of O'Reilly's Beautiful Code: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510046. Google Books has a readable snippet of the section at http://bit.ly/g34QRh, but I highly recommend buying the book because it is a great read.
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2 points by dasht 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Mike has only given part of the answer there. GNU grep obviously is very I/O tuned. And GNU grep optimizes the special cases of constant strings and of regexps that (more or less) start with a constant string -- but there's more!

GNU grep is also fast for most commonly encountered non-constant-string regexps (even those that don't start with a constant string) because its regexp engine avoids backtracking by doing an on-the-fly conversion (of many patterns) to a DFA. These extra cases are algorithmically neat and when you want them, you're glad they're there -- but they are less sexy in benchmarks because the most common use case in the real world, by far, is a search for a constant string.

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1 point by pedrocr 1 hour ago 0 replies      
How far could you go in a discussion like this before BSD grep could reasonably be considered a derived work of GNU grep?

The discussion is going deeply into how GNU grep is implemented so it's clearly not a clean-room reverse engineering kind of situation. On the other hand nothing is being discussed that could be subject of copyright as only ideas and algorithms are put forth and no code is shown. How careful do you have to be to be sure?

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8 points by nprincigalli 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Check out ack, tailored for programmers: http://betterthangrep.com/
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3 points by gorset 4 hours ago 1 reply      
The other day I was actually surprised over how slow gnu grep was. I wanted to count how many lines in a log file contained a domain. Using grep -c <domain> <file> took 25 seconds for 1.7GB log file, whilst agrep only took 5 seconds.
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Data.gov & 7 Other Sites to Shut Down After Budgets Cut readwriteweb.com
93 points by apievangelist 4 hours ago   26 comments top 8
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33 points by knowtheory 3 hours ago 2 replies      
It is extremely ironic then, that the Canadian open data movement has held up the US as an example of transparency and openness, and a model for the sorts of disclosure that the Canadian federal government should live up to.

This is such a momentous leap backwards, i just don't know where to begin. There is no other source for this data. We're still figuring out the best use for it, but if the government doesn't provide it in this manner, the only way we're going to get access to it is via laborious and time consuming FOIA requests. And then, only if you know the data exists.

This really is fucked.

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13 points by eli 2 hours ago 1 reply      
This is a misleading headline. Nothing has happened yet.

From the source article:

The White House requested $35 million for the e-government fund in 2011. The House allocated only $2 million in its bill, H.R. 1. The Senate, meanwhile, would provide $20 million for the e-government fund.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=35&sid=2327798

It's a budget fight, similar to the ones going on at hundreds of agencies right now. There's a lot of posturing going on around the budget, but considering the project results in a net savings for the government, I hope that common sense will prevail.

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10 points by jamesbkel 3 hours ago 0 replies      
What a shame.

I can't imagine there's a significant financial burden imposed by Data.gov (can't speak to the other services). I mean, the data collection certainly is the most expensive component... and from what I understand that keeps going independent of Data.gov. Presumably, the data is collected for programs beyond Data.gov - only more reason to keep maintaining the site since the marginal cost is minimal.

Data.gov has been a useful resource for both my own work (marketing & sociological research), but more importantly is a great way to find free, relevant data for cutting one's data analysis chops - either as student or professional.

As a stats nerd, I find this very depressing.

[edit: As an amusing aside regarding my "relevant" data comment. A few years ago I was trying to develop a viz technique that I knew some potential clients would like, but I lacked a good data set that fit the requirements. I eventually ended up using R and other various free tools to create visualizations of fish weight and length depending on various conditions such as geography, water temp and a few others I forget. I certainly learned a lot, but I certainly would have benefited by having a data set that was both relevant in the real world and met the contraints of my problem.]

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16 points by anigbrowl 3 hours ago 0 replies      
More detail here: http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2011/03/23/transparency-t...

I haven't made any apps with data.gov, but I refer to it regularly for research material and statistical data and have found many useful resources that I would not have thought to look for otherwise. It's far from perfect, but seeing small improvements all the time and it's certainly easier to have a single resource for feed discovery.

Cutting the budget for this seems perverse, at best.

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8 points by hendler 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I don't claim to understand. Maybe there are problems with the ambition of the project, not the cost. Or maybe not enough people actually use it.

But, shutting down a visionary (and probably inevitable) effort to open and modernize government feels like a backlash.

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13 points by VladRussian 3 hours ago 3 replies      
from the sources it seems to be a doing of the House. Do we have any Republican here? Can such a person elaborate on the merits of this decision, please.
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3 points by smogzer 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Well maybe they are putting together a better site that makes up for all of those and also enable the citizens to vote and/or give ideas where they want their money spent, or just enable the voters to keep the money if they do not have representation.
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4 points by DrHankPym 3 hours ago 2 replies      
Was Data.gov really that expensive to maintain? What is this cut really saving? $20 / month?
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At work? Try this Hacker News homepage inspired by Node [SFW] nowjs.com
415 points by ericz 10 hours ago   84 comments top 41
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57 points by NathanKP 9 hours ago 5 replies      
I would imagine that a fairly large percentage of the Hacker News community probably works for themselves or as freelance contractors. The main problem is not that of hiding your browsing from an employer, but having the self control to work rather than browsing.
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32 points by idlewords 9 hours ago 1 reply      
At work? Try working!
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24 points by aidenn0 8 hours ago 1 reply      
If I worked at a place where I felt that reading HN would get me fired, there would be lots of other problems.
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49 points by jdp23 10 hours ago 1 reply      
This is great. But why isn't it async?
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5 points by shawnee_ 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Good idea. Better idea - YC news from the console:

http://www.catonmat.net/blog/follow-hacker-news-from-the-con...

And, for old timers, there's always lynx.

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7 points by trotsky 9 hours ago 2 replies      
At work?

Yup, and that means I have a pretty restrictive firewall.

Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to ec2-50-18-7-165.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:8081 <----

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2 points by ChuckMcM 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I really enjoyed this, its an excellent UX pun. If you could use enough javascript to make it look like an emacs buffer some pointy haired types would be hard pressed to discern between this and actual work.

That being said, if you are truly into employee surveillance (and I know of at least one company that is) then what the screen shows is irrelevant since the http{s} traffic between your work station and the world is just as clear without having to 'walk around and look into your cube.'

Total kudos to the skinning though, I really enjoyed it.

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6 points by Osiris 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I laughed out loud when I clicked on that link. (Un)fortunately for me, I work from home so I don't have anyone checking over my shoulder.
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3 points by mirkules 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This reminds me of the "boss key" in video games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boss_key)

Nicely done!

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5 points by ericz 9 hours ago 0 replies      
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2 points by yread 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Ordinary folk (non-programmer's) already have this
http://myprogressbar.com/
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4 points by famousactress 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Oh, sad. (That people need this). Clever, though.
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1 point by brianr 3 hours ago 0 replies      
To read in vim:

  curl http://ec2-50-18-7-165.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:8081/ | vim -

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5 points by kin 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Funny, but my boss is also a hacker and now recognizes this =(
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1 point by autoreverse 1 hour ago 0 replies      
My version in HTML/JS (click the license to toggle HN)

http://autoreverse.s3.amazonaws.com/mit_yc_plain_text.html

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7 points by rajasharan 9 hours ago 1 reply      
There was a similar one for Reddit in C# style. Nice.
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5 points by sawyer 9 hours ago 1 reply      
I wonder if someone could learn Node simply by browsing HN in this format for a few weeks.
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1 point by dbuizert 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Why would you get fired over browsing websites that fall within the set guidelines by your employer? If a website like HN doesn't fit in there, you got screwed over and time to find a new job.

An employee should have the freedom to browse the web with limited restrictions. If that is not the case then it is a violation of the employees creativity and could hurt the employer in the long run since his/her employees are bound to limited creativity on the job sight.

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3 points by abraham 8 hours ago 1 reply      
The require('http') has an extra ; after it.
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3 points by michuk 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Nice! But it doesn't beat the Jabber client embedded as an Excel macro I used while working for a bank.
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2 points by huge_ness 8 hours ago 0 replies      
now working for me!

for some reason it's pushing to http://ec2-50-18-7-165.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:8081/ and not nowjs.com

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3 points by aeter 9 hours ago 0 replies      
It's awesome. It would be great to be able to read the HN comments like that too.
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1 point by MatthewRayfield 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Reminds me of the Ghostzilla project:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostzilla

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1 point by thomasfl 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Finally something useful hacker news. I have been reading way to much hacker news lately, and my colleagues have started to take notice.

Next month I hope someone could make a html source code theme for hacker news.

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2 points by yuhong 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Yea, managing by treating people as dumb automatons is fundementally flawed.
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2 points by dudurocha 10 hours ago 1 reply      
OMG, this is amazing.
Very funny!
And you can actually say " there must be a bug here, i just cant find", and read everthing.
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1 point by dacort 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I really wanted to be able to upvote from that interface.
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1 point by snissn 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I'd be concerned about getting fired for using node.js..
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1 point by mattdeboard 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Bravo, this is extremely clever.
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1 point by joezydeco 9 hours ago 1 reply      
How about one that looks like a spreadsheet?
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1 point by koko775 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Ha! I see what you did there, eric.

http://i.imgur.com/WAwRx.jpg

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1 point by growingconcern 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Now I just need a reddit version!
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1 point by redredraider 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This is awesome. Someone port it to my circa 1994 cobol compiler and I'll be set.
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1 point by mcorrientes 8 hours ago 0 replies      
node.js looks really sexy, can't wait to become stable enough for a productive system.
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1 point by kirpekar 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Very cool. Helpful too. Thanks!
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1 point by Jasonp 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This is hilarious. Not sure about useful, but hilarious - yes.
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1 point by martinkallstrom 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Dude, nice!
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1 point by dnot 9 hours ago 0 replies      
this is great! is there a 'next' button? Did I just not see it?
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1 point by Smirnoff 9 hours ago 3 replies      
honestly we need a mobile app for hn. somebody?
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1 point by johng 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Very cool :)
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2 points by malvim 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Didn't even know these guidelines existed, but it was fun to read:

"Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did."

Heh.

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Try Node.js for 2Ā¢ or less in ~2 minutes nowjs.com
8 points by DTrejo 9 minutes ago   discuss
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Grub with the partners of Sequoia Capital grubwith.us
44 points by eddylu 2 hours ago   16 comments top 9
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13 points by wavesplash 1 hour ago 2 replies      
Starving entrepreneurs outbidding each other to sit with two rich guys? It is just me or does this seem backwards?
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5 points by orijing 1 hour ago 2 replies      
It's a great idea. However, unless I'm mistaken, I believe his auction mechanism is not any of the standard "revenue maximizing" OR "social utility maximizing" mechanisms. The "maximum amount you would pay for this meal" suggests the meal's value to you.

However, for all K=# of seats, his Kth-price auction does not have the property that inputting your truthful value is your dominant strategy. The price should really be the bid of the K+1th person--otherwise, the Kth person can lower his bid in any outcome to the K+1th price/value (in descending order) and still obtain the seat. So it is not even a Nash Equilibrium to submit your truthful value.

So let's see how we can make the auction consistent with the desire to get everyone to bid their truthful value. If instead, the auction price was based on the 9th highest bid (which we assume to be the value) OR the reserve price (whichever one is higher), then it is everyone's dominant strategy to bid their value.

I don't want to rehash examples taught in an introductory Auction Theory class (which I greatly enjoyed), so if you're interested, take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickrey_auction

It's basically a fancy name for what I described, plus a few modifications and extensions.

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3 points by aaronblohowiak 48 minutes ago 0 replies      
GrubWith.us removes your period as soon as you type it, so if you try to enter (say) 100.00, it is actually a bid for 10,000 -- I consider this a VERY BAD THING in this context.
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2 points by kmfrk 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Something something Color. There, I said it. Now we don't need to humour any cheap jokes.
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2 points by lowglow 1 hour ago 1 reply      
I'd like to keep working on my own idea until they are bidding on having lunch with me.
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1 point by dotBen 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Although it is presented as a sealed bid/blind bid auction - when you submit your bid the following page seems to indicate the current minimum bid - which at the moment is $56.

Nevertheless I think this charity bid model is a great use for the grubwith.us system.

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1 point by rrhoover 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I love this idea. This model could certainly expand to celebrities to capture the interest of the mainstream. Celebrities were largely responsible for Twitter's hockeystick growth.

Side note: I went to my first Grubwithus earlier this week and had a great time. If you have the opportunity, I definitely recommend you give it a try.

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1 point by ldamman 2 hours ago 0 replies      
GrubWithUs for charity. I like this idea. I once had breakfast with the entire Detroit Red Wings team when I was a kid. What a fun charity event that was.

I'm also curious as to how much these particular plates will end up going for considering all of the corporate cards out there held by CEOs who probably wouldn't mind schmoozing with Sequoia.

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1 point by sim0n 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Damn, I wish this was in a few weeks time, I'm travelling to SF on April 22nd and would've loved to have met both Alfred Lin and Mark Dempster!
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Collect HN: Aprils Fools
72 points by daleharvey 1 hour ago   37 comments top 29
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5 points by mbrubeck 27 minutes ago 0 replies      
Opt out of April Fools Day with the "DNF" HTTP header:

https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/do-not-fool/

Note: If you are planning an April Fools joke on your web site, I urge you to support this header. :)

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1 point by rdtsc 2 minutes ago 0 replies      
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9 points by gcr 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I'm planning on installing a transparent proxy that rotates web pages 1-2 degrees with CSS3 transforms.

https://github.com/gcr/proxies/blob/master/rotating-proxy.js

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8 points by daleharvey 1 hour ago 0 replies      
and the first, spotify closes its EU service in order to launch in the US

http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/04/01/spotify-announces-us-lau...

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1 point by rbxbx 8 minutes ago 0 replies      
test-align: centaur; http://testaligncentaur.com/

not to be confused with

text-align: centaur; http://textaligncentaur.com/

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2 points by tokenadult 31 minutes ago 0 replies      
For historical interest, an all-time classic from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/1/new...

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8 points by daleharvey 1 hour ago 1 reply      
atlassian gets into mobile gaming

http://www.atlassian.com/en/angrynerds

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4 points by yesbabyyes 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Adblock releases Adblock Freedom - augmented reality eyewear that detects and removes ads from the world in realtime. http://chromeadblock.com/freedom/
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2 points by Xuzz 21 minutes ago 0 replies      
Cydia adds a dickbar to help users discover popular packages: http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=14540
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4 points by imrehg 39 minutes ago 0 replies      
The Canterbury Distribution: http://www.archlinux.org/ & http://www.debian.org/ & http://grml.org/ & Gentoo & openSUSE....

That's some team effort! Too bad it's a joke, I'd so get it right now...

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1 point by piotrSikora 3 minutes ago 0 replies      
YouTube's "year 1911" mode ;)
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1 point by NZ_Matt 18 minutes ago 0 replies      
Air New Zealand have introduced "pay what you weigh"

http://promos.airnz.co.nz/payweigh/

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3 points by lachyg 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I wonder how many cofounders will get fake YC interview acceptances from their partners =P
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8 points by mhiceoin 1 hour ago 0 replies      
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2 points by sahillavingia 38 minutes ago 0 replies      
At Pinterest we turned stuff upside down: http://pinterest.com/
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3 points by gammarator 1 hour ago 1 reply      
(Internet Annoyance Day is even more annoying when it starts at UTC-12.)
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1 point by hollywoodcole 11 minutes ago 0 replies      
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4 points by neckbeard 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Cheezburger Network acquires Charlie Stross' blog:
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2011/04/administ...
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2 points by inerte 1 hour ago 0 replies      
We put this on our menu, under "Tasks": http://erkie.github.com/ with the text "destroy system"
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2 points by MaysonL 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Dave Winer's putting up a paywall on Scripting News:
http://scripting.com/stories/2011/04/01/letter.html
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2 points by wilhil 23 minutes ago 0 replies      
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1 point by senectus 33 minutes ago 0 replies      
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2 points by mhiceoin 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Affiliate rebills funding an Affiliate hang out in the Maldives

http://www.mrgreen.am/general/the-reason-i-havent-been-blogg...

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1 point by Z3UX 40 minutes ago 1 reply      
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2 points by Mizza 51 minutes ago 1 reply      
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1 point by mman 17 minutes ago 0 replies      
Everyone stop ruining April fools by expecting it
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2 points by stevenashley 39 minutes ago 0 replies      
Duke Nukem Forever has been delayed until Mid 2012.
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1 point by shareme 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Jason Calacanis sold Mahalo to MS Bing
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1 point by zedrick 54 minutes ago 0 replies      
One Kings Lane launches OKL Farms - The only breeders of the Mini Lap Elephant.

http://oklephant.com/

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Just When I Was Ready to Give AirBnB a Try callmeed.posterous.com
54 points by callmeed 3 hours ago   49 comments top 21
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20 points by robobenjie 3 hours ago 3 replies      
That was a very unfortunate experience, but in some ways I'd count it as a win for Airbnb. You were going to stay at this person's house, but because of their messaging interface you were able to screen them and realize that they were, in fact, a crazy person.

I think it is very important to look at the reviews of people you stay with. If someone has more that 7-8 reviews, and everyone has positive things to say then the risk is very low.

I have used Airbnb to stay in some incredibly romantic places (Paris with a view of the Eiffel Tower, Boat in the SF Bay) and by picking people that have 20 or more reviews I have found a very high level of service and... competence.

I feel like I have a lot less control as a host, because almost no-one has reviews (it seems like there must be a lot more guests than hosts), but I think there is a lot less variability with a guest because I am controlling the situation. At worst I have a crazy and irritating person in my house for a few days, where as when I'm staying with someone I am depending on them for shelter.

That said I have hosted 34 people and had no crazys yet (knock on wood). In general people are fun to host.

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14 points by tptacek 2 hours ago 4 replies      
We were/are planning on using AirBnB to book a place for us and the kids in NYC. This is exactly the kind of thing that will keep us from doing it. Note that you don't even have to be a psychopath to create a nuclear problem for our trip; all you have to do is, at the last minute, decide "your profile is too hidden!" and cancel our room, so that we show up and have no place to stay.

I reallllly want this service to work. But the concept is already so intrinsically out of my comfort zone that it doesn't take much of a nudge to send me back to super-pricey VRBO.

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14 points by DevX101 2 hours ago 3 replies      
Prediction: Someone will eventually get assaulted or worse at a host's place. The media will then take that incident and run headlines like "The AirBNB rapist", "AirBNB, Is it SAFE??". Local mayors urged by hotel campaign donors will launch an aggressive campaign against the company based on this one incident in tens of thousands.
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16 points by callmeed 2 hours ago 1 reply      
UPDATE: Less than 2 hours after submitting a ticket to AirBnB, one of their staff members called me on the phone. That alone is quite impressive and shows that they care about these issues.

She gave me some good tips (which most of you have already mentioned): (1) use people with good review, (2) use people with high response rates, etc.

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14 points by rdouble 3 hours ago 2 replies      
Sadly, AirBnB has failed for me more than 90% of the time. In NYC there were overtly shady people, such as a dude who had at least 3 accounts, 2 of which he would pose as women. However, the biggest problems are flakes and people who list their apartment as being available when it really isn't. To AirBnB's credit, housing in NYC is shady to begin with, and the one time it worked, it was great.
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12 points by limedaring 3 hours ago 2 replies      
Why is this Airbnb's fault? I just finished traveling Europe while using Airbnb and never had a problem. Why? I message at least 5-10 people, and I talked all first through the message function, making sure they're not insane (the fact they're charging you extra was a good warning sign there). If the person acted shady/mean/impatient/etc, I simply removed that place from my choices.

The one time I had an issue (one cancelled on me less than a week before arriving), Airbnb gave me a $50 certificate as apology and helped me rebook a new place pronto.

Yeah, there are weird people on there, but it's easy to weed them out.

I would definitely report the person to Airbnb, since they're charging extra (which is against the rules).

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3 points by clukezic 38 minutes ago 0 replies      
Hey Erik,

I'm very sorry that you had this experience on Airbnb. However, I'm very glad that it has come to our attention.

Airbnb operates as a trusted community marketplace that thrives on community engagement, not anonymity. Building trust is not an easy mission, but it is a mission to which we very are committed. We have very stringent quality and conduct control standards that we require both hosts and guests to abide by. We rely heavily on direct feedback from our users through our community support team and transaction based reviews in order to remain a trusted place for people from around the world to book, list and discover unique spaces. We find the behavior of this host to be unacceptable and have since followed up with them directly. We invite anyone who has similar experiences to reach out to us directly in these instances, which we take very seriously.

As mentioned by someone else, taking payments offline is not something we allow our hosts to do. Hosts, if they so require it, have the ability to charge cleaning fees and security deposits through our service, allowing the guest a seamless, safe and secure booking experience. Our payment process was designed to prevent fraud and scams which are rampant on other sites, where payments are often sent through the mail between strangers, with no recourse.

Instances like this remind us that we have a long way to go to making Airbnb the best place in the world for people to find the space they need. While we are disappointed that you had a bad experience, we truly appreciate your honest feedback, which challenges us to keep building to achieve our mission.

Christopher Lukezic, Airbnb employee

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3 points by makmanalp 1 hour ago 0 replies      
What is the real problem here? Am I missing something? It looks like the host was rude. He said he'd report the author to the police, which seems pretty dubious. Report him for what?

Annoying / rude / dumb / shady people exist all over the internet, but we learn to notice and deal with them, and we don't let this ruin the internet for us. So why not do the same on AirBNB? Common sense practices prevail here, similar to ebay: Check other users' previous feedback on the host, tell another person where you're going before you go there etc.

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5 points by kariatx 2 hours ago 0 replies      
While this AirBnB exchange definitely wigs me out a little, I've had enough friends in the corporate hotel business to know that there are weirdos and creeps everywhere. That's not to say that hotels are as unsafe as AirBnB, but I do think there is a false sense of security that comes with them. People are people.

I have never used AirBnB, but my husband and I booked a place in San Francisco for May. We were picky about who we selected, and the person renting the guesthouse is a local restauranteur who seems like a real person on Google. I am stoked about the neighborhood and price. For me, it's worth the risk. I really don't like staying in hotels (noise, lack of cleanliness, annoying patrons), and I'm willing to take a gamble on anything that could be a sustainable alternative.

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4 points by yankeeracer73 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I've used AirBnB a couple times in DC and it worked out really well. Go with the people who have been heavily reviewed/starred the first time you use the service and you shouldn't go wrong. Also maybe try going with places where you're getting the entire apartment and not just a room or couch. A bit more expensive, but again for your first time it may give you a little more peace of mind.
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10 points by p09p09p09 3 hours ago 2 replies      
The worst enemy an online community has are trolls. The worst enemy an online community like AirBnB has are psychos and serial killers.

I really don't get this startup. Might as well post "I need somewhere to crash" on Craigslist.

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5 points by Lucadg 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Something similar happened to chouchsurfing.
At the beginning it was a small community with a high level of trust and people knew what it was about, and behaved accordingly.
Then it grew too much and you find all kind of users, many who just think that's a way to sleep for free and who avoid interaction with their hosts.
I guess airbnb will have to adapt (I'm pretty sure they are aware of the problem) and find ways to filter out the bad guys. There's gonna be many more of them as soon as they find out the opportunity.
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2 points by chrstphrwrght 1 hour ago 0 replies      
It seems like the host thought you were stringing them along and has overreacted. I'd try to imagine how they were feeling before we call them crazy though, whether you book or not might affect them in all sorts of ways. Do they need to change their plans for the weekend to accommodate you being there? Did they decline a booking from someone else while waiting for you to commit? Are they hard up for cash and really need the extra dollars your booking could bring? They might be pressured by all sorts of things and just waiting for that confirmation email. For a weekend booking, still no commitment by Thursday would have made me a bit nervous as a host too.

Of course they could just be imbalanced, and that's a risk you take. Part of Airbnb's appeal is that it creates experiences for you that you wouldn't get staying at a hotel. If you are travelling with children, this might be less of a draw for you as safety becomes a bigger concern; you can minimise the risk by only booking somewhere that has a lot of positive reviews and a good feel to it.

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2 points by kchap 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I am a 24 year old female and in the last three years I have couchsurfered in Europe (alone, with another female, and with a male), found a ride on craigslist from a male (in the US), hitchhiked across France (with a male), and volunteered and lived on farms in Europe (alone and with a male). I had no problems and loved the experiences I had with all of them. The only issue I know of was someone who was a bit rude to one of her hosts because she was prejudiced against staying with someone older than 20. I think that is indicative of the inherent issues with AirBnB-you must have the right mindset to welcome new experiences, be a bit flexible, and make good decisions when choosing a place. It won't be for everyone, or at least the shared spaces may not be for everyone. I have been a huge fan of AirBnB since I learned of them because I think they provide a great (superior to couchsurfing) platform for finding and evaluating hosts and they take away the many of the weird rules that many couchsurfing hosts developed to allow someone to stay with them. They made it financially beneficial to hosts who are providing a great service and seem to have a great support system in place in addition to their information on using the site successfully. I'm excited to try AirBnB in SF when I visit in May, even if my friends stay separately in a hotel, and I hope to hear back from my application to work with them.
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1 point by neworbit 15 minutes ago 0 replies      
Yeah - this has convinced me to not use AirBNB until/unless this sort of thing gets straightened out
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1 point by dotBen 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I've no idea why but the AirBnB model really doesn't appeal to me, for concerns that follow this issue. I fear ending up at some crazy person's home who will treat me like this home owner did - but in person when I'm kind of trapped at their house.

Having grown up in an expensive city to visit (London) I can see the attraction for AirBnB in cities like London, NYC and SF but I would still take a carefully researched price negotiated/discounted hotel room over staying on someone's couch who I didn't know.

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1 point by wildmXranat 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Whoa, with no ill thought towards the AirBnB guys, I need to say that their service must not be very popular with women. While backpacking with a small group in Europe, the biggest obstacle to staying in some hostels was the discomfort amongst the women. First and foremost thing on their mind, was security and safety. How does a service like AirBnB attempt, if at all try, to fix this issue ?
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2 points by kmfrk 2 hours ago 2 replies      
As someone who hasn't used it before, does Airbnb have a "seller rating" of sorts?

Seems necessary.

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3 points by stanmancan 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I've never used AirBnB myself but I've always thought about this as well. Clearly both parties should be aware they're taking a risk staying at a strangers place, and while it'd be great to be able to trust everybody in this world, sadly we can't.
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1 point by kin 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I've attempted to stay at an AirBnB several times. It definitely feels like a niche market. I use it because I think it's cheaper. But, people on AirBnB(the ones that seem safe) seem to charge regular hotel rates that I end up choosing a hostel instead.

Occasionally you find some hidden treasures and friends of mine have reported having an entire apartment to themselves in NYC for a fraction of the cost of a hotel.

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-1 point by ancornwell 2 hours ago 0 replies      
AirBnB is for hippies - a shrinking demographic.
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Google Inadvertently Classifies Google Places As A ā€œContent Farmā€ techcrunch.com
76 points by GVRV 4 hours ago   12 comments top 6
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19 points by mmastrac 4 hours ago 3 replies      
Nice early April 1st gag. The big giveaway is him posting the "off-the-record" comment at the end. No matter how deep into AOL he gets, he'd never give up an off-the-record comment.

This is a pretty rough gag though, if not a little mean:

"That has angered Google revenue chief Nikesh Arora, who has reportedly lashed out at the webspam team privately at various sales events for targeting some of Google's most valuable partners. Tellingly, Arora recently returned back from a two week jaunt in the Caribbean with Demand Media CEO Richard Rosenblatt, reported TMZ, where the two spent time on Rosenblatt's new $40 million megayacht pictured left and called (I'm not kidding), The Adsense. Demand Media, worth around $2 billion, generates approximately 100% of its revenues from low quality content wrapped in Google Adsense ads"

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9 points by yanw 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Once again Google is the subject of the Arrington April fools' post, always controversial.
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1 point by JonnieCache 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Definitely april fools. The templating logic for the results page layout would obviously not be affected by the pagerank algorithm. Pagerank could not even be applied to pages which are generated using pagerank, this would entail a feedback loop.

Pleasingly deadpan prank though.

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2 points by WillyF 3 hours ago 0 replies      
This joke is a little too believable considering that Google has banned itself multiple time before. Danny Sullivan tweeted on this:

"google bans itself. april fools! wait, was real http://selnd.com/hVXAkZ & real http://selnd.com/cM5LBq & real http://selnd.com/ebJiNB :)"

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3 points by aaronbrethorst 4 hours ago 0 replies      
[April 1st]
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2 points by unreal37 4 hours ago 1 reply      
It's not April 1st though.
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Confirmed: Samsung is not shipping keyloggers f-secure.com
397 points by illdave 13 hours ago   74 comments top 19
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69 points by Construct 12 hours ago replies      
This is a good reminder to always do your homework before making such a strong accusation. Samsung's reputation is probably largely undamaged, other than among people who just read the headlines on news aggregator sites. Even searching for 'Samsung Key Logger' pulls up mostly articles about the false alarm situation.

Mohamed Hassan [MSIA, CISSP, CISA and graduate of the Master of Science in Information Assurance (MSIA) program from Norwich University in 2009 as the original article prominently states], on the other hand, is probably not so lucky. Any Google search on his name from now on will probably reveal this whole debacle. Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if he just opened himself up to legal action by Samsung.

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39 points by nickolai 13 hours ago 3 replies      
I'm no expert of Antivirus software, but figuring whether something is a threat by its _folder name_ ??? With all the money going into the industry? That has to be some sort of april fool's prank gone really bad.
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20 points by CaptainZapp 12 hours ago 1 reply      
I can't help it. But the whole "security software" business really reminds me of the mob.

Nice laptop you have here; would be a shame if something would happen to it!

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8 points by cake 11 hours ago 0 replies      
If you Google http://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+keylogger+monitor+the...

You'll have thousands of quotes from a so-called "Samsung supervisor" who "said it's used to "monitor the performance of the machine and to find out how it is being used."

What is this bullshit ? From where did the quote come from ?

Amazing how most are just copy-paste.
It just prove that very few online news websites verify their source if the keylogger claim is false.

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8 points by todd3834 10 hours ago 0 replies      
"The findings are false-positive proof since I have used the tool that discovered it for six years now and I am yet to see it misidentify an item throughout the years."

Mohamed's lesson: Just because you were unable to prove a false-positive with the same program for 6 years doesn't mean there weren't any.

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3 points by visakhcr 8 hours ago 0 replies      
From the original post which started all this:http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/032811sec2....

"After an in-depth analysis of the laptop, my conclusion was that this software was installed by the manufacturer, Samsung. I removed the keylogger software, cleaned up the laptop, and continued using the computer."

So, the author, Mohamed Hassan was able to uninstall a software which was never installed? I think he would have deleted the folder in question and called that un-installing!!

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2 points by ryan-allen 12 hours ago 0 replies      
This has got to get to 400+ points. For those who took the day off and will continue to believe the sensationalism before it pops off the front page? To be damned!

EDIT: I mean, this is the only tech news site I read. I don't know if I'm in the same boat so to speak.

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3 points by pkteison 11 hours ago 0 replies      
The laptop story yesterday led me to learn about CarrierIQ on my cell phone, which was equally disturbing. Maybe the laptop was a false alarm, but my Samsung cell phone did indeed have a keylogger on it. So I'm not inclined to cut them a lot of slack right now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11763089
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2 points by unreal37 10 hours ago 0 replies      
"A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." -- often attributed to Mark Twain

The original article was so poorly fact checked. It really reflects poorly on Mohamed Hassan (and all his fancy yet meaningless credentials) and M. E. Kabay (who apparently worships Mr Hassan unquestioningly). I will not hold my breath out for a public apology from either of those two, although they are the ones who owe Samsung one.

And the irony is in fact delicious. A security expert finds a virus using an anti-virus scanner tool, and confirms it with some call center employee with the company. What does being a "security expert" have to do with any of that? My 10 year old nephew could have done that!

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1 point by 16s 12 hours ago 0 replies      
False positives are the bane of IT security products in general. I would say that 90% of issues reported are FPs and the end user is expected to figure that out, confirm then double confirm before reporting it as a potential issue.
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2 points by zachahack 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Certs after your name are no substitute for common sense and good practices.
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2 points by crististm 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Great news... but what's with the SL folder? The report does not say what SL folder contains on a new laptop.
Anyway, pretty dumb to check for viruses by folder name.
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2 points by nate23342 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Customer service Reps would NEVER have the authority to tell you that there is secret Key Logger on your computer. So if a customer Rep is telling you something like that, he is either trying to get fired or there is a miscommunication.
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1 point by elessar0x3 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I like this whole debacle. I think it ended well. HN, and the power of news aggregating/forum/linking sites wield a decent amount of media power. I like that - because it's one of the instances where the collective mind has greater intelligence than any one individual. It confirms the notion that tech producers need to pay attention to the tech community and shortens the distance between the two, which I think is a good thing.
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1 point by falcolas 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Perhaps I read it wrong, but the article never says Samsung didn't ship a keylogger, it just indicates that the AV software can make false positives based on a folder.

Can we get a link to an article that actually checks a Samsung laptop (and lists their methodology, not this "Duh, there were not any keyloggers") instead of anecdotal evidence and attacking the previous reseaerchers methods?

Even if the previous guy was wrong, at least he listed all his methods for review.

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1 point by originalgeek 11 hours ago 0 replies      
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln
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1 point by Trufa 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Though it is easy to say now, looking back, Mr. Hassan's investigation was far less in depth that it should have been for such a serious accusation.
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0 points by perspective 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I sure hope someone got fired for that one snicker
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-4 points by tiki-tiki 12 hours ago 2 replies      
Well, I'm not longer buying Samsung anyway. That's for sure.
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Google Page Speed Online googlelabs.com
77 points by abraham 5 hours ago   27 comments top 14
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6 points by JoelSutherland 4 hours ago 0 replies      
This is nice, but I find it much less usable than GTMetrix: http://www.gtmetrix.com which runs both Google Page Speed and Yahoo YSlow.

As an added bonus, GTMetrix also shows you the resource loading timeline.

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5 points by nanexcool 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Nice tool, even if it makes some funny suggestions:

Minifying the following JavaScript resources could reduce their size by 1.1KiB (0% reduction).
Minifying http://ajax.googleapis.com/.../jquery-ui.min.js could save 641B (0% reduction).
Minifying http://ajax.googleapis.com/.../jquery.min.js could save 516B (0% reduction).

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4 points by mike-cardwell 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I only got 97/100 for https://grepular.com/ because:

1.) I have 306 Bytes of inline JavaScript

2.) Minifying https://grepular.com/ more than it already is could save 794 Bytes, ie less than 1% of the page size.

3.) They want me to defer javascript until after page load. It's the last thing in the body anyway...

None of those are valid complaints. Where's my 100% damnit

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6 points by ultrasaurus 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Rats, they got me:

The following cacheable resources have a short freshness lifetime. Specify an expiration at least one week in the future for the following resources:
http://www.google-analytics.com/ga.js 1 day)

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7 points by prs 5 hours ago 1 reply      

  The page Hacker News got an overall Page Speed Score of 86 (out of 100).

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3 points by pankratiev 5 hours ago 3 replies      
This suggestion from Google especially looks fun:

The following publicly cacheable, compressible resources should have a "Vary: Accept-Encoding" header:

    * http://www.google.com/buzz/api/button.js

However, it's a useful tool. It gives me useful suggestions for improving.

Anybody knows a simple tool to minify javascript?

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1 point by ramidarigaz 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Hmmm... Contrary to a lot of recommendations I see here on HN (patio11 mainly), they seem to recommend enabling keep-alive.
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0 points by rms 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I wonder what would happen to my 15% conversion rates if my shopping cart wasn't so crappy... I'm superstitious about switching though because of a fear that it might mess up our organic search traffic.
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2 points by th0ma5 5 hours ago 0 replies      
"The page Google got an overall Page Speed Score of 100 (out of 100)." ... so they eat their own dog food, or was the homepage the pinnacle of excellence for the building this tool?
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3 points by saidulislam 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I am surprised it doesn't catch or say anything about Flash
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2 points by MochaMocha 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I like how Google.com scores a 97, while Bing.com scores a 96 (ha!
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1 point by 25thhour 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Umm the Chrome extension states it can access: "All data on your computer and the websites you visit".

Say what?

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1 point by gautaml 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Nice to see google cheating:

http://i.imgur.com/JxFKP.png

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0 points by rchauhan 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Nice !!
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jQuery 1.5.2 Released jquery.com
77 points by wyday 6 hours ago   5 comments top 2
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39 points by jeresig 5 hours ago 2 replies      
Hey all! jQuery 1.5.2 was just a quick bug fix release that we wanted to get out while we work on jQuery 1.6 (first beta due out in a couple weeks).

If you're curious to see what's happening to make the upcoming release possible you can see our progress in the meeting notes of our weekly (public!) core dev meetings:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MrLFvoxW7GMlH9KK-bwypn77...

Also, if you want to see all the features/changes that were submitted for possible acceptance into jQuery 1.6 you can see them in our massive spreadsheet:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuWerG7Xqt-8dDcwNUl...

To overview our process: We collected feature/change proposals from the community at large for a few weeks in a Google Doc form. The jQuery core team and jQuery bug triage team (and some members of the jQuery UI team) each added their personal opinion on the features to the spreadsheet (linked above). We used that to form a rough consensus, ironed out the final details in a meeting (see the notes from the March 14th meeting). We're now pushing ahead on those nominated features and you can track our progress in the weekly status updates or, if you want to live on the edge, in #jquery-dev on irc.freenode.net.

It's actually a great time to get involved in contributing to the project - I highly recommend it!

http://docs.jquery.com/Getting_Involved

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1 point by dashr 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Anyone know who tracks the widest deployed version of jquery min on a CDN? I would think its 1.4.2 on google cdn ? Good info to know for a little page speedup as it will be cached in most folks browsers.
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Poll: Do you work for "the Man"?
69 points by Sukotto 6 hours ago   61 comments top 35
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39 points by Goosey 5 hours ago 2 replies      
I think HN gives off the impression that most people own company or freelance due to the content, but it is a bit of a filter effect. Similar to how everyone is living amazing awesome lives on facebook.
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13 points by m0th87 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm sure there's a sizable percentage that are in school / grad school (myself included) who are not represented by this poll.
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15 points by mgkimsal 5 hours ago 2 replies      
"owner of your own company" and "a freelancer" are really the same for many people.
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7 points by scythe 5 hours ago 2 replies      
Well, my last job was with the Navy, which I suppose is The Man, but that doesn't fit into any of the poll options.

It'd be good to add "public sector" and "military" options, I think.

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3 points by NathanKP 5 hours ago 2 replies      
I feel obligated to comment since I inspired this poll: I don't think the way this poll is worded is contributing to accurate results.

For example, I can truthfully say that I am currently employed at someone else's company (a startup that I am consulting for), I am a freelance contractor (for the startup I am consulting for), owner of my own company (an apparel and design studio that I am currently working on with some close friends), and I have numerous side projects including my own startup. If I feel like I should select multiple options, then I'm sure others are having the same problem. I don't think the options in the poll are leading to an accurate answer to the question.

I think the real question is what the percentage of cubicle dwelling office workers being watched over by a boss is compared with the percentage of self employed, freelance consultants.

My initial estimate was that there would be more self employed individuals with self control built by working for themselves, and fewer cubicle workers who are trying to sneakily browse HN behind the back of their bosses.

This poll hasn't answered my question one way or the other though.

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10 points by callmeed 5 hours ago 1 reply      
You should add an "I am the man" option
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2 points by memset 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I am working for "the man" in every sense that that phrase implies: yes, dropbox, facebook, gmail, and tumblr are blocked. And we use ClearCase!

Participating in any sort of forums or outside communication via company equipment during work is completely off-limits (often for regulatory reasons rather than draconian. For example, Hulu and Youtube aren't blocked because, while they're time-wasters, they aren't really venues for communication which has to be logged.)

I wonder how many people would be grouped in the "lurker" bucket not because they don't have an interest in this sort of thing, but because restrictions at work make participation require too much activation energy.

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1 point by dpcan 29 minutes ago 0 replies      
By "Hacker News Community", do you think they mean - those people who comment?
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2 points by olalonde 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Unless you don't declare your revenues, you are working for the Man whatever you answered above ;)
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3 points by nowarninglabel 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I own a company, contract for my old employer, and work for a company.

I work for Kiva though, and my boss passed me on a skateboard coming in to work this morning, so it's about as far from working from the man as I can get.

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2 points by armandososa 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I think "employed on a startup" and "employed on a large company" should be separate options. A tiny startup is hardly "The Man" isn't it?
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2 points by originalgeek 4 hours ago 1 reply      
The idea of not working for "the man" is merely an illusion. If you are freelance or a business owner, "the man" is your clients/customers and the government. Let's say your enterprise involves the illegal distribution of contraband, then "the man" is your supplier. Or let's say you're just a laborer working for a small building contractor, the boss is "the man".
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2 points by pacomerh 1 hour ago 0 replies      
HN gives me the impresion of most of the community working on ideas that never get executed. I think its all the articles about procrastination and getting thing done, etc
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1 point by KirinDave 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm not sure that where I work would constitute working for "the man." I have considerable equity, and was a very early hire. I'm not a "founder", but this job is a damn far sight from something like my previous work at, say, Lockheed Martin.
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1 point by keithwarren 48 minutes ago 0 replies      
I am 'the man'. My boss sucks.
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1 point by iuguy 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Hmmm... On the one hand I own my own company. On the other I have various things on the side in various states of progress. Some of this I contribute to, some of this (most notably minklinks) has stalled, some of which is yet to come (but of course, there is no 44 conspiracy).

Can I be employed by me and have one or more things on the side?

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4 points by carterschonwald 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Where does grad student fit in this schema? :-)
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3 points by mediacrisis 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I work for "The Woman". I used to freelance on the side, but I signed a pretty tight non-compete. I prefer the security of a salary job over freelance projects anyway, as I'm in the lovely demographic of broke 20 something post-grads ;)
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1 point by tjarratt 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Currently employed at a large company, easily defined as "The Man", although I'm leaving soon to join a startup.

Looking at the results of the poll, I can't believe how many people here own their own businesses. That's great!

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2 points by kylelibra 5 hours ago 0 replies      
The last question should be first. I clicked on the first one, not realizing the fourth one would be an option. Just a thought.
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2 points by michaelpinto 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Side note: I once met a former Apple employee who dismissed my sugar coated illusions my telling me that at the end of the day working for for even an amazing large tech company is "working for the man"
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5 points by pbj 5 hours ago 1 reply      
I'd vote for unemployed but I can see I'm not allowed to! :)
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1 point by kgutteridge 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Founder of a mobile company 5 years ago, however I would say we worked for "the man" as we bootstrapped via client work, which at least makes us masters of our own destiny
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1 point by jkent 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I always recommend 'other' and 'none' options for practically all HN polls.

Not everyone is employed. Some people have unusual relationships (internships?).

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1 point by dawgr 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I'd like to ask to anyone who has worked as both, for himself and for the man, which one is more stressful? To the degree that this question can be answered, I realize it would depend a lot on the exact job and that it's not black and white.
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1 point by finin 2 hours ago 0 replies      
what about public sector employees?
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1 point by DarkShikari 5 hours ago 0 replies      
How about all three?
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1 point by Fice 3 hours ago 0 replies      
What about academia? Working in a university is very different from being employed in a company as it implies more independence and freedom to pursue own research interests.
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1 point by kunley 4 hours ago 0 replies      
What about "stakeholder"?
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1 point by d2 4 hours ago 0 replies      
So far 19% of HN readers are full time entrepreneurs and 81% are either employed by someone else full-time or contractors.
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1 point by klinquist 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Working for the man in a very versatile/not-typical group. Happy with PTO/free time for my own geek projects & hobbies, steady pay & bonus plan, etc :).
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1 point by tribe9 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I consider myself to be "the man," although in a different context. So in a sense, yes.
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1 point by hack_edu 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Working with the Man?
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1 point by CoachRufus87 4 hours ago 0 replies      
For now.
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-2 points by keithnoizu 5 hours ago 0 replies      
msft
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Hacker Monthly April 2011 Issue hackermonthly.com
30 points by il 3 hours ago   discuss
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Massive SQL injection attack making the roundsā€"694K URLs so far arstechnica.com
8 points by markgx 1 hour ago   1 comment top
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1 point by ericflo 3 minutes ago 0 replies      
Hmm, "indiscriminate SQL injection attack" seems like a paradoxical concept to me.
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Twitter Kills The #Dickbar techcrunch.com
99 points by pitdesi 8 hours ago   54 comments top 11
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39 points by yuvadam 8 hours ago 3 replies      
Twitter is experiencing what I believe is a much larger issue with today's platforms.

You cannot attract a mass of users, give them a nice UX, build a community - and then one day throw ads all over to place, call it a monetization strategy and keep a straight face.

Twitter is going to have a very hard time monetizing their platform, if the #Dickbar is the best they came up with at this point. If I were them, I would be afraid.

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17 points by catshirt 8 hours ago 2 replies      
"Business Insider reported that the Dickbar was a mistake in the first place, having been developed by a junior product manager with no senior oversight."

and it made its way into a release? huh?

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5 points by muppetman 8 hours ago 1 reply      
Good on them for admitting wrong on this and backing down. Blindly forging ahead when it was universally hated was never going to do them any favours. Many a good blog post has been written about what they could do to make it better, hopefully some of that feedback will find its way into whatever they do next.
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2 points by flipside 8 hours ago 0 replies      
A painful but necessary decision for twitter, I know they need to monetize their service but alienating users in a way that becomes a meme is the wrong way to go.

I fully expect some version of #dickbar to be back someday once they've worked out the technology for showing relevant updates, they just tried to implement it before its time.

I guarantee you that by next year there will be a way to do this right.

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1 point by donnyg107 3 hours ago 0 replies      
The real difference I see between google and twitter is space and focus. Google had room on their clean results pages to place ads, and they also had users that were used to skimming and overlooking a lot of the text on the page anyway. Ads were not a huge problem for google. Twitter's app users don't have the space on their feeds for a few square centimeters of ad space, especially because we don't skim and skip over tweets (unless they look like the have lots of @s and #s). Tweets are like prepackaged feelings already. Someone who barely read tweets would have nothing left to intake. Twitter needs to find a way to place ads without taking up space or annoying reading time. That, or find a place on the page which doesn't LOOK like its taking up space. Meaning, if the bottom cm is always an ad, it isn't dropping down into my tweets. I just have a slightly smaller screen, which I will acclimate to quickly and won't annoy me regularly. Also, the ads can be more expensive that way. Put the ads on the screen all the time, not just some of the time, and they won't impede upon my twitter space, they'll sit within twitter's ad space.
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4 points by younata 8 hours ago 1 reply      
So, I guess this means I can finally go update my twitter client.
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2 points by JCB_K 6 hours ago 0 replies      
"The bar was also seen as a potential means of in-app notifications for new @mentions, DMs, and other important activity."

Raise your hand if you believe this.

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0 points by r00k 8 hours ago 3 replies      
This seems to be a great example of one of the challenges with iOS apps: you can't do a limited roll-out of new features.

If Twitter could have deployed the bar to a hundred or so real users, I think they would have quickly found that people mostly hated it.

I believe you're allowed to distribute test versions of your app to 6-ish handsets for testing, but I'm sure this barely covers the internal folks at Twitter. It'd be nice if they'd had the option to do some more thorough early testing. (Whether they would have done so, or would have listened to the results is outside my point).

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3 points by grantlmiller 5 hours ago 0 replies      
so why isn't this headline: @Jack offed the #dickbar ?
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1 point by emullet 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I felt if they had made it an optional item in the settings they would have avoided the backlash, and they would still be generating money off of it. The fact it was not optional, then they announced limited API access for developers whipped everyone into a frenzy.
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-3 points by blhack 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Good. I hope I never, ever have to read the word "dickbar" ever again. That is one of the most ridiculously stupid attempts at being "hip" I've ever seen.

"Dickbar"? What are we, 12 year old jersey-shore fans?

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PushState + ajax = pjax github.com
27 points by bittersweet 4 hours ago   5 comments top 4
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1 point by meric 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I've been trying to achieve this same effect (without this library of course...) I had links pointing to the 'full page' but used jquery to override the click event of the link so that they used ajax to download only a part of the page into a container. Which container, is determined by the javascript, which I carefully write to avoid confusing myself. Which body part to download was determined by the server. I did not have to duplicate my html; The body part was a template by it self, and included by a master template for the full page. When a body part was downloaded, some jquery javascript needed to be re-run. (e.g. $(x).accordion()) Depending on the url, either the full page or just the body part was served.

On incompatible browsers the javascript functionality did not activate and clicking on the links led to the full versions of the page.

Maybe this library can save me some headache.

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1 point by drivebyacct2 58 minutes ago 0 replies      
It shocks me that people still do Ajax without this technique (though not necessarily this library obviously).

GitHub is the only mainstream site I've seen handle Ajax "properly".

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3 points by jhrobert 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Note: as a progressive optimization, the very same solution can also be extended to full pages, ie not just "body" parts.

In that case, the main benefit over a "regular" load is that javascript files that you use don't get to be evaluated over and over, ie you load them once for all.

On my machine, this alone saves 300ms per page.

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3 points by erik_p 4 hours ago 1 reply      
FF 3.6.x gets the "unsupported"message :(

Trying chrome now.

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Facebook HipHop serves 70% more traffic on same hardware theregister.co.uk
69 points by daveman692 7 hours ago   25 comments top 8
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6 points by ChuckMcM 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Three comments:
1) The Register is to 'news' as the New York Post is to the New York Times, which is to say its amusing at times and sometimes a good lead into something that is actually important, but rarely the definitive source for any story.

2) The entrepreneurial take away is that Web 2.0 has been racing ahead of hardware, its been able to do that because computers got better faster and iterating has proven more valuable that polishing.

There are opportunities to be found by taking a good long look at where the technologies used can benefit from abstraction/compilation love. Remember that in 2005 putting together a 8,000 'node' cluster was really on the fringe, today that is 500 boxes with a dual Core i7 motherboard in them.

3) In case you haven't noticed this reads like a Facebook Fanboi insulting a Google Fanboi. Apparently it was modestly successful in this regard if you measure success by vitriol in the comments on the article.

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11 points by postfuturist 6 hours ago 2 replies      
What could this sentence possibly mean?

"His crew can build a more than 1GB in about 15 minutes (after stripping out debug information)"

1GB binary? 1GB of PHP? 1GB of C++ output? None of these sound like a good idea.

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5 points by angusgr 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Original FB blog post, which has more facts less fanboi trolling:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2390751
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5 points by duskwuff 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Article is factually incorrect; MediaWiki doesn't run on HipHop yet. They're currently discussing adding support on their dev list.
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3 points by rbarooah 6 hours ago 4 replies      
"Unlike Google, you see, Facebook has been known to promptly open-source some of the most important pieces of its back-end infrastructure."
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1 point by famousactress 3 hours ago 0 replies      
The idea is that you can still code with high-level PHP, but then get the performance of C++

I love this quote, because C++ was built with the exact same abstraction in mind.

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2 points by bartl 6 hours ago 2 replies      
So they dropped some rarely used functionality from PHP,... like serialization.

Excuse me, "rarely used"?? Drupal strongly depends on serialization, to store data structures in the database (or, as they call it, "the cache").

You cannot effectively run Drupal without serialization. So "The likes of Drupal, MediaWiki, and WordPress are now using HipHop." sounds like it cannot be true.

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-4 points by mithra 5 hours ago 1 reply      
PHP, the COBOL of the 21st century.
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How we built a web application and didn't launch in 482 days decalcms.com
56 points by dools 6 hours ago   4 comments top 4
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6 points by synnik 2 hours ago 0 replies      
My initial startup was a CMS product in 1999.

At the time, there were few players, and few open source products. We were able to charge from $25,000 to well over $200,000 per implementation. We even had one contract for over a million to do a custom version of our codebase. And we were a bit player at the time who didn't even survive the dotcom crash.

Fast forward to today -- There are so many CMS products that you don't need to pay for them at all, and even if you do pay, they are not expensive.

Which is to say that these guys deserve a heck of a lot of credit. They are making it work for them in a very crowded space, solving problems that I had written off as solved.

Good work.

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10 points by rokhayakebe 6 hours ago 0 replies      
From the article:

CEO of Wistia on customer acquisition:

Brendan and I started Wistia in June of 2006. We quit our jobs and went in fulltime. It took us almost one year to the day to get our first customer. It took us another year to get to 6 customers. It took us another year to reach 60 customers. This past summer, 1460 days after starting Wistia we crossed 350 customers

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5 points by alanh 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Most interesting part:

> you usually don't have to do things as fast as you think you do. ā€¦ David Heinemeier Hansson describes VC as a time bomb. Once you light the fuse, you have to make your business work within a short period of time.

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1 point by adamzais 5 hours ago 0 replies      
do yourself a solid...check out decalcms!
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Secret Space Plane Can't Hide From Amateur Sleuths wired.com
66 points by ph0rque 7 hours ago   6 comments top 4
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11 points by orenmazor 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I love reading this kind of stuff. I love being reminded of how complicated reality is, given my own high levels assumptions. You think "change orbit, that's easy" or "take space pictures" but the nitty gritty filled reality is so much more amazingly complex, it's mind boggling and impressive.
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4 points by MattyDub 4 hours ago 1 reply      
A previous mention on HN: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1918368

In at least two articles about the X-37B, I've read about it changing orbit. But isn't that an energetically expensive operation? In a previous article (http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2010/0824/Secret-Air-Force-...) the change seemed to be one of altitude/elevation (sorry if I'm using the wrong orbital mechanics terms ), rather than a plane change. But isn't that still relatively expensive, even with a Hohmann transfer or something? I can't imagine the X-37B can do very many orbit changes - can anyone provide more information on the physics behind this?

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1 point by jmatt 4 hours ago 0 replies      
And according to real time tracking, it's about to fly over Libya:

http://www.n2yo.com/?s=37375

No surprise that the US is flying it's secret space spy plane over the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_L...

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Pioneer Anomaly Solved By 1970s Computer Graphics Technique technologyreview.com
181 points by iuguy 13 hours ago   69 comments top 9
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42 points by PaulHoule 11 hours ago 7 replies      
This is a classic example of how the physics community has been failing for the last 30 years.

First of all, there's an extreme focus on papers that have come out in the last 1.5 years, so that a lot of very interesting older work is invisible.

Secondly, physicists don't look outside the discipline, despite the fact that we often use inferior techniques. Back in the 1990's, Mark Newman and I were both working at Cornell and both of us were aware that the techniques physicists were using to evaluate power law distributions were bogus. Well, I was a timid grad student and, despite being one of the best physicists of his generation who already had written half of an excellent textbook and had a stellar research record, Mark was a postdoc who spent most of his two years in absolute anguish about how he was going to find his next job.

Mark wrote a paper about this ten years later, after physicists had published thousands of bogus papers using bogus statistics. It's a tragedy that neither Mark, myself or some other young turk didn't write it earlier -- and it wouldn't have been hard to do it all because it would mainly be a review paper of what was already in the statistics literature.

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7 points by Jabbles 11 hours ago 0 replies      
The key conclusion, with error estimates:

We performed 10^4 Monte Carlo iterations, which easily ensures the convergence of the result. The thermal acceleration estimate yielded by the simulation for an instant 26 years after launch, with a 95% probability, is

a(t=26) = (5.8 Ā± 1.3) Ć- 10^āˆ'10 ms^-2.

... These results account for between 44% and 96% of the
reported value

a = (8.74 Ā± 1.33) Ć- 10^āˆ'10 ms^-2

(which, we recall, was obtained under the hypothesis of a constant acceleration) ā€" thus giving a strong indication of
the preponderant contribution of thermal eļ¬€ects to the
Pioneer anomaly.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.5222

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11 points by BoppreH 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Somebody better update the people using it as an anti-science argument.

Edit: I'm serious. Conservapedia used to have an article about it and how it discredits the scientific model and whatnot. There's a huge knowledge gap between this views and we should do our best to eliminate it.

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5 points by jarin 12 hours ago 3 replies      
Doesn't it seem like a slowdown caused by infrared light emitting from one part of Pioneer and reflecting off of another part of Pioneer is kind of like powering a sailboat with a giant fan attached to the back of the sailboat?

I'm not a physicist by any means, but doesn't conservation of momentum apply to photon emission and absorption/reflection as well?

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4 points by pasbesoin 9 hours ago 0 replies      
What I appreciate about this is the straight-forward manner in which the story presents the case for always challenging your/the assumptions.

Speculation about a whole new aspect for theoretical models of the universe. Someone's grounded enough to go over the work and realize, 'Hey, you're doing the math wrong!'

I wish science education did a better job of teaching this.

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16 points by jvandonsel 12 hours ago 5 replies      
It's a bit disappointing, actually. I was hoping for another revolution in Newton's laws.
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2 points by dexen 8 hours ago 0 replies      
There is a detailed, concise article on how the model was prepared:
http://www.planetary.org/programs/projects/pioneer_anomaly/u...
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4 points by bhickey 12 hours ago 2 replies      
Wouldn't ambient occlusion have been a better technique?
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2 points by copper 12 hours ago 1 reply      
> Of course, other groups will want to confirm these results and a team at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, which has gathered the data on the probes, is currently studying its own computer model of the thermal budgets.

Here's to hoping that the numbers match. Phong shading to calculate numerically the effects of a what is almost a solar sail to decelerate Pioneer - now that's cool science!

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Tesla sues Top Gear for libel re Roadster review teslamotors.com
71 points by grannyg00se 8 hours ago   40 comments top 16
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42 points by redthrowaway 7 hours ago 4 replies      
Top Gear doesn't get a pass here for being a comedy show. There's a difference between satire and making false claims about a product with the intention of tarnishing it and the company that produces it. That's precisely what libel laws exist to protect against.

Viewers of Top Gear understand that the challenges and races are staged, but there isn't a similar understanding that the car reviews are staged, and that the presenters will claim cars have defects that they don't have for the purposes of entertainment. If the claims made by Tesla are true, then Top Gear doesn't have a leg to stand on.

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12 points by gamble 7 hours ago 3 replies      
Did they file in the UK? British libel laws are so bad that the BBC is doomed, if they did.
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11 points by RiderOfGiraffes 8 hours ago 1 reply      
Same story:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2386692

There are probably more. This one has
lots of comments.

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2 points by kristofferR 2 hours ago 0 replies      
It's one thing to make fun of the Tesla car in a humorous way, it's another thing to write a script (and follow through with it) claiming it broke down, overheated and ran out of fuel before they had even driven the car.

"But in the real world, it doesn't seem to work" was already decided before the cars were even delivered. It's cool to make fun of flaws, it's not cool for something perceived as a review show to decide something is flawed and write the script about how flawed it is before they have even tested it.

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7 points by zumbojo 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I am a fan of both Top Gear (seen every episode, save for the most recent series) and Tesla (would kill for a Roadster or Model S).

The Tesla Roadster review seemed to be fairly typical of Top Gear; with Jeremy Clarkson pointing out his likes and dislikes in fairly equal proportion. Clarkson in fact seemed very impressed with the Roadster's performance and I believe the official lap time placed it somewhere around a comparable Porsche 911. The breakdowns seemed believable, especially for a supercar; as Richard Hammond pointed out in a later episode within that series (wherein a Pagani Zonda breaks down within the first few test laps on the Top Gear track) that it's the nature of supercars to "explode immediately" on use. Tesla didn't seem to receive a harsher treatment than any other car manufacturer.

The Tesla Roadster is an amazing product, but it -like every machine made before it- has a few bugs to be worked out. Nothing out of the ordinary.

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1 point by oldstrangers 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm rather excited to see how hard it is for Jeremy Clarkson to refrain from making light of this situation. I love the man, should be entertaining.

Also, the BBC has an enormous amount of money and power (not to mention it operates under a Royal Charter), I don't imagine this lawsuit being very easy.

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1 point by marcamillion 5 hours ago 0 replies      
What a perfect way to give something legs.

I had never seen this Top Gear episode, but I am definitely going to watch it now!

This is a tough spot to be in. Sue BBC and try and get a correction (and give it publicity) or ignore it and risk reputation damage silently with fewer people.

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3 points by jrspruitt 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I just watched the video, and can't figure out where the malice is. Its a relatively new build of car, and a car based on a Lotus, the chances of there being reliability issues are pretty good, this type of car isn't built for being the go to commuter car, its built to zoom around in. As far as the vastly less miles per charge claim, they were running it on a race track, take any car you want, under any form of power you want, and drive it hard like that, its not going to get best case efficiency. This sure seems like a lot of noise, about nothing surprising. I think I agree it might be for publicity or inspired by some other rationale than just libel.
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1 point by jacques_chester 3 hours ago 0 replies      
This will not end well for Tesla. Clarkson is a masterful grudge-holder and nothing they produce will ever receive a fair review ever again.
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1 point by nickpinkston 5 hours ago 0 replies      
- You use Top Gear reviews as a major factor to buy a +$100K electric sports car.
- You haven't seen their show enough to know what Clarkson's views of green-tech are.
- You haven't looked at corroborating evidence on forums a real drivers, etc.

You probably aren't good at this car buying thing.

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2 points by VladRussian 7 hours ago 0 replies      
following this logic it is time for Russia to launch a nuclear war against Great Britain.

(note: Lada Kalina is the newest and most advanced Russian car and the producer of the car is heavily supported and promoted by government:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGs_5gDXFn8&feature=relat...

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3 points by initself 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I wish I could do the same to all my reviewers for my iPhone app.
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1 point by dbuizert 4 hours ago 1 reply      
How awesome. No option to comment on their website. They could have turned it into an awesome opportunity to talk with the customers.

Lets see how far this lawsuit gets. Interested in the development of it.

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-2 points by mrschwabe 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Good on Tesla for having the balls to stand up for what's right (and for their company).

Innovation requires courage. Especially in their industry.

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3 points by heyitsnick 6 hours ago 0 replies      
- What innovation are we talking about in this case?

- They are suing, it doesn't mean they have succeeded. You can't start blaming libel law in the UK quite yet.

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-1 point by jrockway 4 hours ago 0 replies      
That's the end of caring about Tesla for me. Resorting to a lawsuit over a comedy program means your company's ethics are out of touch with reality, and it's time for you to die. It's the adult equivalent of bringing your guns to school and killing everyone because some kids made fun of you at lunch. Yeah, they shouldn't have done that, but your solution was worse than the problem.

Why must Tesla murder schoolchildren?

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How to Fix Google tylerneylon.com
9 points by jeanhsu 1 hour ago   2 comments top 2
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2 points by mikeryan 1 hour ago 0 replies      
This misses out on what the Google "cruft" is all about. Products like Android or Chrome aren't meant to be standalone products/business (and wouldn't be profitable if they were). Their nature is a defensive moat around Googles Search/Ad business.

Relevant article:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/25/search-googles-castle-moat/

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1 point by zeynel1 1 hour ago 0 replies      
"Companies are a lot like people."

True; but even more so: Corporations are living organisms; I call them humanoid organisms. http://science1.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/the-realm-of-the-hu... Humans are the domesticated critters of humanoid organisms.

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The audacity of charging from day one. thestartupfoundry.com
45 points by g0atbutt 6 hours ago   17 comments top 9
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7 points by sp_ 5 hours ago 1 reply      
I used to work at zynamics (http://www.crunchbase.com/company/zynamics) for a long time and while I was not part of the initial team, I still have a good idea of what went on in the early stages.

The company charged hundreds and thousands of dollars for software licenses from day 1 even though the first versions of the products were pretty bad. In fact, we even had customers who bought these early versions not because they wanted us to succeed. I remember at least one customer who bought licenses for many tens of thousands of Euro telling us 'we won't use your software yet because it is not good enough but we believe that you will deliver great software one day and by buying early version we will keep you alive'.

So yeah, charging right from the start worked out tremendously for us. Without it we would not have survived.

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9 points by originalgeek 4 hours ago 0 replies      
> Why is there apprehension about making money in startup land?

Because then there would be real reference points for calculating valuation, which is counterproductive in an industry that relies on bubble economics.

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4 points by chops 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I started charging from day one. I've never had a free version. I've been profitable from day one.

That said, business has slowed for me mostly because now I have more competitors, their software is better than my competitors at the time, and most of my competitors offer free versions, which I still do not (though I am contemplating).

(this is all in relation to my guild hosting site, link in my profile)

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4 points by bpeters 6 hours ago 2 replies      
Good point for startups who have value to offer day one, but some startups do not add value until a certain level of activity is reached or a certain state of stability is reached, take Twitter for example.

However, I believe they have reached a point that it should start to charge. Those who see it as a value have spoken up about wanting and willing to pay.

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1 point by Tycho 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I think something like Historio.us might be the way to go. They give you 300 bookmark slots free when you sign up, which is a fair amount even if you import old bookmarks. As I inch closer to the limit, I can see myself just biting the bullet and buying the monthly subscription. It's just a few Ā£s to avoid a lot of hassle and continue using a useful service. However, I doubt I would have paid from day 1 when there are free alternatives (which may even have been just as good, I'm not sure. I may never know.).
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2 points by NinetyNine 5 hours ago 2 replies      
Personally, my reservations with charging are two fold:

1) That I come from the open source community, where charging is successful and the value of your code is often personal rather than looking at the user's value. Also, much of my knowledge of coding has come from reading others' code, does this mean whatever I create is an extension of their creations, which they offered free of charge?

2) That I wasn't sure I was good enough to charge. If users started paying money and my database went down when they needed it most, how would I respond? I'm not a legal expert or even a trained business person.

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1 point by matthewslotkin 3 hours ago 1 reply      
The problem with charging from day 1 is that the entry cost on the Internet is so low. That means that even if I make a great product and start charging for it, someone else can easily make a copy-cat product and make it free. The logic behind charging in version 2 or 3 is simply that by that time there will be a loyal customer base that would not be as easily swayed by a free copy-cat product. This has nothing to do with being a "sell-out" in the startup community, it's just about being an aware entrepreneur.
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0 points by dcosson 2 hours ago 0 replies      
It seems like the title of this post doesn't quite agree with the example given. The company started charging for their version 1, but they already had a not-insignificant user base of 1000 people that seemed to like the product. It's possible that their growth might have been a lot slower if they had literally charged from day one; of course, it's also possible that this would not have been the case.

Either way, I think that people's hesitance to charge for their products is probably more often motivated by the fear of slow/non-existent growth rather than the fear of coming across as a sell-out.

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1 point by pauldisneyiv 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Dr. Ian Malcolm: I'll tell you the problem with the business model that you're using here - it doesn't require any discipline to give it away for free. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility...charging for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew what you had you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on TechCrunch, and now
[pounds table with fists]
Dr. Ian Malcolm: you're giving it away,
[pounds table again]
Dr. Ian Malcolm: you want to give it away!
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What kind of information do you need to invent a new programming language? stackoverflow.com
18 points by kevinburke 4 hours ago   3 comments top 3
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1 point by jerf 52 minutes ago 0 replies      
If you want to just knock about, just start doing it.

If you're serious about getting people to use it, my personal minimum guideline is ten years experience of serious software development where you are continually pushing yourself, fluency in at least one major functional, logic/set, and imperative/OO language, and competence in about ten languages as diverse as possible, and some specific problem that can't be solved well by an existing language. By then you'll know what to do.

The reason I would say this is my usual spiel about not actually encouraging people to do really time-wasting things, even though we have a culture of "encouragement at all costs". Encouraging a novice mountain climber to take on Mount Everest as their third mountain isn't friendly, it's evil. Encouraging someone to write their own new programming language if they don't have the experience to do it of course won't kill them, but they sure can waste a lot of time. Whatever you think they may learn from the experience can be learned faster and more productively by first reaching the standards I wrote out above, and actually taking advantage of the fact that much ground has been mapped out already. We all must re-invent our own wheels if only for learning at some point, but this is a great deal more than a "wheel".

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3 points by SwellJoe 2 hours ago 0 replies      
This reminds me of the old saying regarding prices on luxury goods: If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
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1 point by slapshot 2 hours ago 0 replies      
A purpose other than "my boss wants his name on a language." Once you identify a specific type of problem that is not solved by today's programming langauges, you have the basis to go create a new language. Maybe you find that it's hard to express some AI concept, or complex math, or to make easy web applications---each of those needs led to very good programming langauges.

Otherwise you're just adding language clutter, re-inventing the wheel, and wasting a lot of time.

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Google +1 Button Discovered yvoschaap.com
39 points by gsharma 7 hours ago   9 comments top 4
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5 points by patrickaljord 6 hours ago 1 reply      
+1 is available outside of the US, I'm using it from Peru right now. Just enable it here http://google.com/experimental
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2 points by ck2 5 hours ago 0 replies      
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1 point by joakin 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I only see a frame with this message inside:

  Google 
Error

Server Error

The service you requested is not available at this time.
Service error -27.

Thats the way they took it down? :s

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4 points by mbailey 6 hours ago 4 replies      
Looks like it's already broken. Just get a red ! button.
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Ask HN: Should we agree that this account will submit all Who is Hiring posts?
260 points by whoishiring 11 hours ago   40 comments top 19
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62 points by bigsassy 10 hours ago 2 replies      
I like this idea. It would also make it easier to see past who's hiring threads as well. Just go to:

http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=whoishiring

and look at the submissions. Beats crawling through results on searchyc.com.

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16 points by dstein 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Why do all jobs have to be posted at one time once a month? There is already a "JOBS" tab at the top of HN. Why not just let other companies post to that page. You can still emphasize YC companies, stick them at the top for 30 days, and then everybody else below it. For that matter if PG ever wants to monetize HN adding paid job ads might be the best/easiest way to do it.
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10 points by JoachimSchipper 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I completely agree, but you should fill out the account information - something like 'This is a bot to post the monthly "who's hiring" thread. If there are any issues, please contact <foo>@<bar>.' - that'd also let us know who's behind this account.
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7 points by SingAlong 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Love this idea. I vote for this. Or maybe if anyone can actually edit the HN source and make the app self-post when it is first of every month (IMO keeping it automated will be easier...)

bigsassy's point about searching is right. It surely makes it easier to browse these threads when you have a dedicated whoishiring user account.

Whoever is posting this, please mention the format of the job posts clearly on every thread (whatever format... this thread http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2057704 says location first. It's description is a good example).

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4 points by ig1 2 hours ago 1 reply      
It should be posted mid-week. I run a developer job board, traffic on Monday/Friday/Weekends is much lower than mid-week.

For whatever reason developers look for new jobs primarily tuesday-thursday.

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8 points by stefanobernardi 8 hours ago 1 reply      
You should also def include a Who's Hiring H1Bs as we saw in February if I remember correctly.
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6 points by mindcrime 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm fine with the idea, but I'd suggest also adding a

  Who is looking for a Co-founder (Month YYYY)?

to the list.

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6 points by kls 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Probably should include one more, Whose hiring freelancers edition, that way we could get all the "I need someone to build X" wrapped up under one section.
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3 points by jkent 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Great idea, some questions...

Can we have a vote on this?

How will this be enforced?

What's PG's take on this?

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2 points by pclark 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Is this really needed when you can simply use http://searchyc.com and find all the posts and even relevant job descriptions from previous posts?
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2 points by astrofinch 9 hours ago 1 reply      
First, I'm a little unfamiliar with this problem--why this bad:

"our peers competing to put forward Who Is Hiring threads by submitting them increasingly prematurely"

Maybe this suggests that >1 submission a month is better?

Finally, perhaps it'd be best to stagger the three post types throughout the month so they don't compete with each other for attention?

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3 points by metra 9 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm worried about the first of the month falling on a Friday such as tomorrow, April 1st. Will the weekend squash the popularity of a Friday 'Who's Hiring' thread?
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1 point by geuis 9 hours ago 1 reply      
I vote no. Its valuable to see the HN name of the people submitting open jobs. For the most part, people aren't only interested in a company name. They're also interested in the people they could end up working with. I want to see the submitter's voting and commenting history.
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1 point by bluishgreen 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I guess my recent post http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2391491 opening one more category is what prompted you to post this?
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1 point by adrianscott 3 hours ago 0 replies      
part good, part bad. there needs to be room for new kinds of categories...
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1 point by squirrel 8 hours ago 0 replies      
This would be super. I always want to post in these threads (because youDevise is always hiring great hackers) and have trouble finding them reliably. Thanks for suggesting this!
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1 point by camworld 8 hours ago 1 reply      
Centralizing it so it's under one person's control? That doesn't make much sense at all.
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1 point by LeadDreamer 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Simple, single point just works. Yes.
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1 point by shareme 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I vote yes
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