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Learn HTML5, JavaScript and CSS With Mozilla's Free School of Webcraft drumbeat.org
32 points by maheshs 2 hours ago   1 comment top
1 point by Qz 12 minutes ago 0 replies      
Am I supposed to know who the people in those pictures are?
Jon Rohan · Creating Triangles in CSS dinnermint.org
9 points by gibsonf1 1 hour ago   discuss
$1 million dollars in funding in 30 days from Kickstarter mashable.com
11 points by apedley 1 hour ago   2 comments top 2
3 points by chaosmachine 57 minutes ago 0 replies      
Lots of comments from yesterday:


4 points by trizk 57 minutes ago 0 replies      
It should be noted that they have not really raised any equity capital. The $1M are pre-orders for the iPod Nano watch, and hence is revenue. In this sense, Kickstarter is ingeniously being used as a platform for virally marketing the product (concept) and as a sales channel. Kudos to them for their success.
Suggestion for startups - remind us who you are when you email
19 points by FiddlerClamp 58 minutes ago   3 comments top 3
1 point by Goladus 10 minutes ago 0 replies      
Very good advice, this should be part of your branding strategy.

And I'd say instead of "XYZ creates and manages..." I'd say a line like this should be a standard link to your login page:

"Create and manage RSS feeds from your facebook streams: [XYZ Login Link]"

1 point by david_p 18 minutes ago 0 replies      
That's the best advice I've read in weeks.
Thank you.
I'm changing this right now for the notification emails of our startup.
1 point by jaggs 9 minutes ago 0 replies      
This x 1 million.
Bingo Card Creator (etc) Annual Report kalzumeus.com
203 points by patio11 12 hours ago   62 comments top 11
26 points by patio11 12 hours ago replies      
If you have any questions, feel free. I can't answer the obvious juicy ones regarding acquisitions or clients, but other than that, I aim to please.
11 points by il 12 hours ago 2 replies      
Thanks for sharing your numbers, they are refreshingly honest.

I wonder if conversion rate from free to paid accounts is similar in other industries.

If so, the numbers are quite sobering.

If even a successful, highly targeted and well marketed SaaS product with 100K users and millions of pageviews makes as much profit as someone working for minimum wage flipping burgers, it seems that most startups don't stand a chance of ever getting ramen profitable.

I'm not deliberately trying to be negative, but I'm wondering why your revenues are so low even with such a massive amount of traffic.

Is your free offering so good that most people don't feel the need to upgrade?

7 points by pwim 11 hours ago 0 replies      
We started going down the whitelabeling path with Doorkeeper, but ran into the issue that we were competing for mindshare with the whitelabeled version. I'd be interested to hear how you plan to approach the whitelabeling of Appointment Reminder.
2 points by rumpelstiltskin 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Patrick, considering your chops (I think anyone who's read your posts on HN for a while will agree that you're in the '10x programmer' range), is there a reason why you won't launch a full fledged startup? Maybe even try out for HN? BCC is clearly at a point where it can be run on the side and that can take care of your 'ramen' needs while you focus on building something great.
6 points by dminor 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Seems like there's a bunch of recurring credit card payment services out there now; what made you choose Spreedly?
7 points by jeremydavid 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Hey Patrick,

I don't have a question, but I just want to say that you're a huge inspiration... and I'm so close to getting ready to take the plunge, get off my ass, and start working on my own projects.

Thanks for being so open with your experiences.

3 points by xiaoma 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Have you ever tried making software targeted at the Japanese market? From what I understand, you might find a lot of niches as of yet unserved.
3 points by shushan 8 hours ago 1 reply      
If you had to live only from BCC's profits alone (25k~ this year), would you be able to?
1 point by tropin 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Matasanos is the Spanish slang for doctor (literally, means "healthy killer").
1 point by jeffiel 9 hours ago 0 replies      
"Aside from frightening my bank a few times when I got large wire transfers from America, charging a lot of money is a great idea in every possible way."

That is a classic, congrats Patrick!

1 point by ameyamk 9 hours ago 1 reply      
I am know AR is still new, but can you shade light on traffic numbers related to AR?
Stack Exchange for English Language and Usage stackexchange.com
21 points by SandB0x 4 hours ago   6 comments top
1 point by Mithrandir 3 hours ago 2 replies      
Why couldn't people use this more often?
Introducing Word Lens questvisual.com
1164 points by jf 1 day ago   272 comments top 91
136 points by solutionyogi 1 day ago replies      
Wow. Just Wow.

I had to put the App to test.

Printed some simple English words and tried it out.

Original paper:


What the App shows in REALTIME:


Comparison with Google Translate:


[EDIT: Note, Translating Muerto Fin to English in Google Translate, does result in 'Dead End'. Can any Spanish reader clarify why the original Google Translate chose to translate 'DEAD END' to 'callejón sin sali'.]

[EDIT: So let me get this straight. Their program, running on iPhone [256MB RAM, 600 MHz ARM CPU], can take a live image, perform OCR, translate, create another image with the translated words. And all of this happens real time? Wow.]

I think it's really hard to get a 'Wow' reaction from HN crowd. And you have hit a home run! As someone else said in this thread, you are going to make boatload of money. Congrats!

42 points by aresant 1 day ago 3 replies      
The walls are coming down so fast it's making my head spin - job well done!

I immediately sent the link to a dozen people, about half wrote back "How much is it?" and "How do I download it?"

Since QuestVisual.com is clearly going to sweep the entirety of the internets by this time next week a few friendly conversion suggestions:

a) Change your button to "Try Word Lens FREE - Click Here"

b) The logo under your button looks like another button, just get rid of it.

Dropped you an email if you'd like the Conversion Voodoo team to bang out a new page tomorrow AM gratis that's ready for installation by noon PST :).

115 points by acangiano 1 day ago 3 replies      
Whoever created this deserves the boatload of money they are going to make. It has the potential of radically change the experience abroad for people traveling in foreign countries.
43 points by stevelosh 1 day ago 2 replies      

I downloaded the app, bought the Spanish -> English pack, and tried it with some simple phrases in a big TextEdit window on my monitor. It flickered a bit, but I expected that from a monitor. It got them right.

Big deal, common phrases are easy -- I could just buy a phrasebook. Then I tried a random phrase from the Spanish version of "Dive into Python":

    Una función, como cualquier otra cosa en Python, es un objeto.

It flickered like before from the monitor, but it was easy to read the translation:

   A function, as any other thing in Python, is a object.

Perfect? No. Usable? Absolutely.

As soon as a French -> English pack is released I'll buy it, even if it's $100.

This is the kind of thing that would make it possible for me to move to Montreal. I love that city, but don't know French. I could learn, but it would take time and I'd be lost like a baby gazelle on the Serengeti while I learned.

This app could ease the process of moving to an entirely different country. That's amazing.

Hello, future, it's nice to see you.

15 points by yurylifshits 1 day ago 2 replies      
Re-posting here from my blog http://yurylifshits.com/lessons-learned-from-the-launch-of-w...

    The lessons I learned today from Word Lens

Everything is secondary to compelling usecase. Word Lens has strange company name (QuestVisual), no logo, crappy landing page, and no PR preparation. But its darn cool! And that's what matters.

Assembly innovation is really cool. Every piece of Word Lens was here, but nobody made a perfect combination before today. Academic researchers will never do another Word Lens, as they are overfocused on novelty and hate just-assemble-the-pieces work.

Clever freemium business model. Word Lens is free, but you have to buy language packs. "erase words" and "reverse words" are free demo modes to prove that the app really works. Note, that you can even turn it into subscription model with dictionary updates.

BlendBack is the heart of this invention. Word Lens goes like this: (1) detect and recognize characters, (2) translate, (3) produce text in similar colors and shape and blend it back to the picture. The last step is the most innovative and can be used beyond Word Lens. E.g. one can do "Bar Code replacer". Turn your phone on any barcode and see some picture there. Can be used as a cheap replacement for road signs and ads.

No connection required. This is extremely important. 3G is unstable. WiFi is not everywhere. 4G has not really arrived yet. When you travel, your carrier can not cover you perfectly. I can see more and more essential apps that will not require connection. "Yelp in a box" anyone?

Global appeal. This is not another geek's app. It is mom and pop's app. It is an app for every country and and every village. We need to spend more time outside Silicon Valley to find needs like this one.

Science fiction inspiration. Part of the reason for press craziness is that Word Lens matched the science fiction story (Babel fish from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"). We love seeing SF concepts turning into reality. Let's reread old classic and implement all other concepts from there :)

    What I would do next

Obvious: add more language packs. Asian languages can be a bit of a challenge (recognition is harder).

Brainstorm pricing. A lot of options are available: different price for the first month, bundle prices for several languages, one-time price discount (a la 23andme), subscription model, enterprise package.

Put on hold all talks to investors and potential acquirers.

Immediately start working on versions for other platforms (Android, Blackberry, Nokia, WinMo). Hire another person to do just that.

Run a contest: iPhone for the best "Word Lens in the wild" video.

27 points by frisco 1 day ago 1 reply      
These guys are going to have some hard decisions to make in the next few months. This has such incredible potential I'd be really sad to see it get bought and languish as a side-feature at Google. Run as a business, rather than a free technology project liable to be side-lined on whatever whim, and really developed for the next 5 years, think about what it could be! I mean, just look at what it is today on day one!

The offers will come, that much is certain; I can only hope they decide to go for it and turn this into something great.

13 points by seldo 1 day ago 1 reply      
One day tourists are going to buy "holiday glasses". They'll walk around Paris, stop at a nice restaurant, put on their glasses, and read the whole menu in English. Then they'll order by pointing. Hell, they can do this with their phone right now, the glasses just make it easier.
94 points by johndeweese 1 day ago replies      
(hola, i'm john deweese, one of the creators)
good to hear the early positive response, and we look forward to your insightful feedback (support@questvisual.com) -- mention this site so we pay some extra attention.

i hope this app will be nice and disruptive, and we'll be looking carefully at what people expect and how they actually use it. it's a platform, and we're really excited about the directions it opens up.

thanks for the link, cheers!

28 points by dholowiski 1 day ago 1 reply      
I showed this app to my 60 year old semi-technophobic parents and they immediately understood it. They are ready to buy an iPod touch to use with this app for their next cruise. My mom guessed the cost of a language at $50 and was shocked to hear the actual price.

Screw zuckerberg, The developers of this app should be on the cover of time magazine.

26 points by jonursenbach 1 day ago 1 reply      
A friend of my girlfriend is part of the team that made this and he gave me a demo of this 5 or 6 months ago and even back then when it was in an early alpha form I was absolutely blown away by this thing.

Seeing this thing in action in real life is life changing.

9 points by ianferrel 1 day ago 2 replies      
I downloaded it immediately. Making it free to try and selling the dictionaries is a great sales model. The demo mode does a mirror-image reversal of the word to show you that it can detect words.

I was using a 4th gen iPod Touch, so lower-res camera and no flash.

Unfortunately, I was not able to get it to work as well as I'd hoped. I tested physical copies of a few things:

1. Mac OS X Snow Leopard cd case. Black sans-serif text on white background. This worked the best, with the word-reversal consistently getting "Snow" and "Leopard" reversed with little flicker. "Mac" seemed to go in and out. OS was rarely replaced, and usually along with "Mac" as though it were part of the same word.

2. C++ Programming language book cover (http://pixhost.info/pictures/631454). Dark blue serif text on white. This almost never worked. When it did recognize letters, the recognition shifted so much that the word was a constantly moving jumble.

3. Throat Coat tea bag. White serif text on Red. At any point in time, about 50% of the words were recognized and reversed.

You can take a snapshot, and each word it recognizes is highlighted, which is pretty cool.

I would definitely buy something like this that handled non-romance languages to English.

11 points by bobf 1 day ago 0 replies      
I work in the translation industry, and the interesting part of this to me is the implementation. Generating the resulting translation image in real time is a unique idea that is probably hard to make work well. OCR on a mobile device without a network connection is not as difficult as you might think (read: it can fairly easily be done on Android with tesseract-ocr, at least). Also, instead of the typical rule-based or statistical machine translation you get on the web, think of translating word-by-word as simply substituting words from a key/value dictionary list.

Having said that, I'm always glad to see interesting translation being developed and getting such a positive reaction on HN. Congratulations to Word Lens on launching!

15 points by zzleeper 1 day ago 1 reply      
I agree that it's impressive, but the flash video felt like cheating.

For instance, no spanish speaker would EVER say "LO TRADUCE EL TEXTO" (@ 0:20), or "ROPAS OPCIONAL" (@ 0:50). They just picked some words in spanish that made sense when translated, but my guess is that average translation would be much more awful

4 points by blhack 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm sure I'm too late to the game to have anybody care about this, but here is how you can tell this is something cool:

I just went to the local bar with my roomate and, despite it being pretty busy, I told one of the bartenders "Hey, want to see something cool?" and pointed my phone at their menu. Now, almost immediately after I said this, I realized it was kindof rude (they were busy), but she looked anyway...then she proceeded to yell at all the other bartenders to come over and check it out...and the guy sitting next to me spent about a minute going over the menu (translating from english to spanish) wowed as well.

You're not going to get that with angry birds.


26 points by cavorite 1 day ago 1 reply      
The product seems amazing, but they are somehow cheating in the video.

The signs (in Spanish) have grammar mistakes, but they are automatically translated to correct English sentences. I have a few examples:

- The third sign says "Lo traduce el texto", but that sentence doesn't make sense. It should be "Traduce el texto" or even "Se traduce el texto".

- 'Ropas opcional' sounds strange to me, although it may be accepted in some countries.. It should be something like 'Ropas opcionales'.

I tried both examples in Google, Bing and Babel Fish and the results were OK, so I don't think that Word Lens translator is very accurate.

    "Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will 
the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to
apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke
such a question."

15 points by glhaynes 1 day ago 0 replies      
Saw this comment on TechCrunch, sums it up perfectly:

When I was a kid, I would have bet all the money I would ever earn that we'd have flying cars before the ability to do something like this with a phone. Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

26 points by kmfrk 1 day ago 0 replies      
To quote Fry "Shut up and take my money!".

What is the ETA on French and German?

14 points by muon 1 day ago 2 replies      
They could have stopped at just translating and printing it on the screen, but they show it the original form, that is the difference between doing things and doing the things beautifully.

I am spellbound.

8 points by knieveltech 1 day ago 0 replies      
I. Am. Totally. Floored. Just wow. The last time I checked in on assisted reality apps for the iPhone there where cheesy laser tag apps and stuff to hang tag clouds in random locations. Interesting I guess but nothing to produce a visceral response. If I where you your shoes I'd see about buying a wheelbarrow for the money that's coming your way.
22 points by jorgem 1 day ago 3 replies      
AUDIO OUT for the blind.

EDIT: People with limited vision are often considered blind, so they could use this app.

12 points by zacharyvoase 1 day ago 2 replies      
If Smartphone + Wikipedia + Google = Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, then this is the Babel fish.

And I'm sure that it will also, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different cultures and races, cause more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.

5 points by kilian 1 day ago 2 replies      
This app is too cool, but it seems a little over eager. Here's me pointing the app at a mosaic: http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg612/scaled.php?tn=0&server=...
6 points by ericflo 1 day ago 5 replies      
I just caught myself thinking: "I hope they got a software patent on this, they deserve it." But I usually hate software patents unequivocally. So, yet again, a real-world use case reminds me that nothing is so black and white.
15 points by stcredzero 1 day ago 0 replies      
This might just be the first commercially successful mainstream application of augmented reality.
12 points by bigmac 1 day ago 1 reply      
So, predictions on how long until Google buys these guys? I'd guess within the next 7 days.
30 points by veb 1 day ago 0 replies      
This has to be the first real iPhone application that's actually impressed me. Something that can definitely change lives.
4 points by 27182818284 22 hours ago 0 replies      
It is amazing that you can get a piece of software for free (with language packs for an extra low price)

This is something the US military would have paid millions and millions for in the past. Now, you see people say, "I'd even pay fifteen whole dollars for that app"

haha, oh wow.

6 points by ig1 1 day ago 0 replies      
I hope you guys are on AWS or something, because your server is going to get a lot of traffic over the next few days...
2 points by bambax 1 day ago 0 replies      
John Deweese, "one of the creators" says here that "it's a platform".

Here's one thing they could do: open the platform to distribute dictionaries from third parties.

Questvisual could still sell "basic" or "standard" dictionaries for each language pair, but they would also sell competing dictionaries, that could either try to address the problem from a different angle (phrase translation vs. word translation), or be specialized dictionaries: legal, medical, etc.

They would take a cut, of course, and they would create a market that they would curate. Great wins for everyone!

3 points by ghshephard 1 day ago 1 reply      
Cute undocumented (that i could find) Easter egg on the Reverse Words feature - It also 'corrects' the spelling. heh. (Discovered when it insisted the reverse of "Shephard" was drehpehS)
4 points by sliverstorm 1 day ago 2 replies      
Do you see yourselves extending this to languages based on non-Latin characters? This could be an amazing, amazing tool for Chinese characters- both for foreigners and natives.
2 points by alex_c 1 day ago 0 replies      
It's easy to feel down when reading the news, but then something like this comes along and... the future's going to be so cool! :)

I don't care if it even only works 20% of the time right now. The rest is elbow grease and faster hardware - it'll get there.

It's not every day that you consciously realize - hey, the world just changed today (for the better!).

3 points by m0nastic 1 day ago 0 replies      
That was the fastest $10 I've ever spent in the App Store. I'll echo most people's sentiments, this is seriously cool (although I must look like an idiot walking around my apartment pointing my phone at everything).
2 points by brosephius 1 day ago 2 replies      
for the sake of being contrarian, why all the freaking out? it's cool and all, but it's OCR + translation, two things computers are already pretty good at (not to mention word lens seems to be doing word-for-word translation, not context-sensitive).

yeah doing it so fast on a mobile device is impressive, but am I alone in thinking this isn't going to change the world?

3 points by KeithMajhor 1 day ago 0 replies      
Hacker Newsers usually downvote brief congratulatory comments. Seeing "you win" take home over 20 points is indicative of just how exciting this is.
5 points by plusbryan 1 day ago 0 replies      
This app makes me want to travel, right now, so I can just try out the app. Amazing.
6 points by revorad 1 day ago 4 replies      
This is one of those times you have to admit it's not ALL about the execution. Good ideas do matter. And they are rare.
5 points by stevenrace 1 day ago 0 replies      
Quite the understated title - a feat well worth hyperbole.

Can you speak upon the origins of the software?

Did this stem about from other projects/research (Edu, darpa, lone disillusioned coder..)?

I presume one could use dictionaries of things other than plaintext? Say symbols, objects, patterns?
(for signage and 'custom' use)

Are you opposed to this being 'opensourced' at any time?

3 points by covercash 1 day ago 0 replies      
I'd like an English to English add on so I can get dictionary definitions of words using the 'pause' feature. This would also make visiting URLs in print extremely easy!
3 points by hebejebelus 1 day ago 0 replies      
That's truly fantastic. I don't have much use for Spanish->English, but I'm going to buy it anyway for the sheer "wow" factor. Congratulations.
4 points by forkrulassail 1 day ago 2 replies      
Seems dead.


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19 points by codybrown 1 day ago 0 replies      
Can I install this in my contact lens?
7 points by atomical 1 day ago 1 reply      
How many people are on the team that created this?
4 points by pclark 1 day ago 0 replies      
This looks so magical and incredible I can't believe it'll work reliably in the real world. If it does, wow.
2 points by alain94040 1 day ago 0 replies      
At first the demo didn't work at all for me. Nothing would happen at all. Then I tried to click on a few buttons, and text started dancing left and right, with no apparent reason.

Then I got better at it. It seemed to reverse the words and letters more or less fine.

Then I spent the $5 on the product for Spanish (could be handy). I'll happily spend another $5 on a French version.

And I know how to impress everyone tomorrow!

2 points by solutionyogi 1 day ago 0 replies      
Another cool real life example:


2 points by jodrellblank 22 hours ago 0 replies      
Wordlens, wow and thank you!

(Here's me desiring this a couple of years ago:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=569558 )

3 points by keyle 1 day ago 0 replies      
That is really awesome. I can't wait for them to add more languages. And it's cheap... Anyone travelling would pay for it.
5 points by ebaysucks 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is the first time in the last few years that I have been WOWed by new technology.

Huge congrats, this really is magic to me. If you asked me yesterday I'd have told you it's impossible to do.

4 points by michaelleland 1 day ago 1 reply      
And when they get Swedish, I'm in!

The awesome thing is that once the platform is there, they could easily open it up to other languages and get them rolling too--though they might have to really think before diving into languages with a different character set, such as Japanese.

2 points by iuguy 1 day ago 0 replies      
Just bought it, this is indeed impressive stuff. I bought both English -> Spanish and the other way around. Not being a big speaker of Spanish I wasn't sure how good the translation was but the Spanish to English is good enough for my travels next year.
3 points by relix 1 day ago 0 replies      
That's very, very impressive. Traveling would be so much easier with just this app, amazing! Let's hope they'll support Asian languages in the future, for round-the-world coverage.
1 point by Groxx 19 hours ago 1 reply      
Just saw this on the news, actually. Very much sorry, but I didn't catch the channel / show - wasn't close enough to the TV, and it wasn't mine.

Seems like the attention for this has gone way beyond HN. Congratulations!

1 point by code_duck 12 hours ago 0 replies      
Wow, this is really cool, obviously.

Not sure if it's the lighting or the text I'm trying, but it does have a tendency to make words dance around insanely. The execution could be improved upon a bit.

I can certainly see a lot of potential for this. Let me know when it's embedded in my augmented reality eyeglasses!

29 points by trotsky 1 day ago 0 replies      
You win.
1 point by bajsejohannes 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is mindblowing! I hope you make it for Android as well.

A minor thing about the webpage: If I want to share it on facebook (and I do!), it does not come up with any sort of summary or images, like it normally does for links. Now, I don't know exactly how it gets this information, but I would definitely find out if I were you.

2 points by mrchess 22 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm reading comments on this app on other blog sites and people say things like "translations suck", "not worth your time".

Times like this remind me how ridiculous consumer expectations can be. People still don't get that product development takes time and energy -- they just like to criticize with their elitist expectations only because they own an iPhone.

But yes, this app is great. Keep it up!

3 points by sportsTAKES 1 day ago 0 replies      
So cool! Cannot wait for more languages...

Holy smokes, when is the Chinese version going to be available?

Let me know if you need help with a Portuguese version, seriously.

Agree with some of the other comments that their logo and site design could use a boost.

Killer idea, love it.

1 point by oozcitak 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is amazing and has great potential. Imagine word-lens for conferences: record the presentation -> translate the slides with Word Lens -> publish the translated slides live to the conference audience. There are hundreds of ways of making money from this technology, the iOS app should only be the beginning.
2 points by koski 1 day ago 0 replies      
This might be a game changer.

The product is so cool and it seems to work so well, I have to admid that I am a bit jealous. I would have been proud to be able to say "I did is".

To the executing team responsible of the application: be proud what you did. Great work.

I am so happy for these guys. You believed it's doable and you did it. Congratulations once again.

I would love to read the "project diary". How long did it take to, what were the unexpected problems, etc.

2 points by oscardelben 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is the first time I regret not having an iphone (I have an ipod touch without camera). Good job guys!
9 points by timerickson 1 day ago 0 replies      
I have witnessed the future.
1 point by zbailey 20 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm very surprised people have not mentioned this app does not work very well (if at all) when the phone is in any orientation other than straight up and down.

Why is it not possible for the developers to use the orientation sensor/gyroscope to accomodate for this? Many times it's easier to fit a bunch of text on the camera in landscape mode than the alternative. It's also a lot more natural for me to hold my phone in landscape mode when using the camera.

Just my $0.02 and congrats on all the hubbub. Can't wait for more languages :)

3 points by foresterh 1 day ago 0 replies      
Even though I have no use for it, I bought the English to Spanish to try it out. I'm blown away and these guys deserve to take away Facebook guy's man of the year award... amazing...
1 point by atlei 21 hours ago 0 replies      
Very cool implementation :-)

So what they have is

- an OCR function that reads a few words from an (easy) image

- a (simple) translator that translates the words into a different language word for word

- and then paints the translated words back using the same font/size

...continuously and quickly !

Don't get me wrong, this is cool and all, but it would be much more useful with a single snapshot that translates better, instead of focusing on doing it "realtime" (but the video wouldn't be as cool :-) )

The idea is nice, so I expect Evernote and Google to implement this ASAP ;-)

Good luck !!!

1 point by bambax 1 day ago 0 replies      
Looks extraordinary by the HN comments; unfortunately the site is down right now... ;-(

La rançon du succès, I guess.

2 points by brianbreslin 1 day ago 0 replies      
I would pay $20 for japanese, chinese, korean, russian, arabic, and hindi language packs. seriously. if i was traveling around the world, I would HAPPILY drop $100 into this app.
3 points by EwanG 1 day ago 0 replies      
So am I honestly the only person who's first thought on seeing this is... ooh, give me a Japanese pack and I don't have to wait for scanlations anymore?
3 points by keiferski 1 day ago 1 reply      
Very impressive. I'm curious to see how it performs in the wild though -- can it translate signs outdoors just as well as in a studio? I really hope so.
1 point by brendano 1 day ago 0 replies      

One note, it'll be hard to get really good translation quality without a network connection, because good models require tons of CPU and memory -- Google Translate is far better than word-for-word because it uses such things.

2 points by kevinelliott 1 day ago 0 replies      
Wow, so Douglas Adams' babelfish is real, only it's an app for iOS. Fantastic. You've got an exciting venture on your hands!
3 points by xlorm 1 day ago 1 reply      
Do most mobile translation apps not require internet connections? That part surprised me. I had assumed most apps do the work on a server.
1 point by elblanco 1 day ago 0 replies      
What's next, universal translators that also make everybody's lips move correctly for the language we are hearing? Perhaps Star Trek got it correct?

Amazing...Android app next?

3 points by happyrichpinoy 1 day ago 0 replies      
The Japanese to English pack can't come soon enough. Manga comics here I come!
1 point by bl4k 1 day ago 0 replies      
Awesome. This should help me find my way around Redwood City
1 point by toumhi 1 day ago 3 replies      
Am I the only one to be surprised by the overwhelming reaction of the HN crowd? Doing word by word translation is not so exciting from a technology point of view, is it because all the other apps doing translation on a phone are crap? I believe there are libraries that already store language translations, right? Seriously wondering why everybody is jumping and shouting how great and disruptive this is.
4 points by mrphoebs 1 day ago 0 replies      
Simply Brilliant
3 points by anonymoushn 1 day ago 0 replies      
I will pay you $500 for this when it can read Chinese and Japanese.
1 point by mcantor 1 day ago 0 replies      
I would pay $50 to have this on my Android device.

In a heartbeat.

2 points by tomelders 1 day ago 0 replies      
I give up. I will never make anything this amazing. What's the point now I've seen this.
2 points by binbasti 1 day ago 0 replies      
I'd pay at least $50 for a Chinese-English language pack. And even just 50% accuracy would be ok.
1 point by gursikh 1 day ago 0 replies      
I'd love to see this technology applied to augmented reading / writing (i.e. look up any word/person/place on a printed page).
1 point by ebaysucks 1 day ago 1 reply      
Why the name Word Lens? I had to come back to this thread to remember the name after talking to my brother about it.

I think "Babylon App" would be a perfect name for this app. Just my 2 cents.

2 points by The_Igor 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is impressive! I could have really used something like this on my trip to Japan!
1 point by browngeek 17 hours ago 0 replies      
This is going to do to traveling what the iPhone did to smartphones.
1 point by foresterh 21 hours ago 0 replies      
The blanking words out feature is going to make photoshopping fake products much easier...
1 point by gce 1 day ago 0 replies      
Really beautiful and executed beautifully.

Just one small piece of feedback on the "commercial." It's a bit confusing for the first 10-15 seconds or so. I was too busy looking at the iPhone screen and not the billboards. Can I recommend an animated version with v/o?

Great work!

Edit: One more piece of feedback. The icon isn't nearly cool enough for how cool this app is. My prediction is that you guys are going to make a boatload of money, hire a designer sooner rather than later to spiff anything up.

1 point by pekinb 1 day ago 1 reply      
Can someone at questvisual say more about the platform? I have some ideas I'd like to try.
-1 point by uast23 1 day ago 0 replies      
Is that the coolest thing I have seen recently ?
-4 points by cpr 1 day ago 2 replies      
The promo video's gotta be a fake--figuring out the fonts used & fitting in the same space with perfect color, etc.? Nope.

Would like to see what it really does.

-4 points by rabble 1 day ago 5 replies      
Totally awesome, but there's a big problem. Most of the time when you're in need of translation of text you find like signs, it's because you're in another country. That means data is very expensive, because your fancy iphone is locked and roaming.

It's awesome, many people may download it, but it will get very little use. :-\ They should probably charge like $5 or $10 for it, make money on people WANTING to use it, not on them actually using it.

Unless i'm mistaken and it's doing the image processing all locally, in that case, they've got a smash hit.

Apple's iPhone Is Made Better With Google gigaom.com
8 points by lotusleaf1987 2 hours ago   1 comment top
0 points by darkstar211 47 minutes ago 0 replies      
Is this a article flagged up because of its affiliation with tis owners and how they have changed in writing or do you really want us to see people who ove google and mac related products that much?
Facebook: Why our 'next-gen' comms ditched MySQL channelregister.co.uk
43 points by yarapavan 9 hours ago   12 comments top 6
5 points by jfb 2 hours ago 0 replies      
It doesn't sound like MySQL was ever in the running.
1 point by biot 39 minutes ago 1 reply      
It's cool that Facebook uses HBase. But Looking at the HBase documentation at http://hbase.apache.org/docs/current/api/org/apache/hadoop/h... all the calls to Put, Get, Result, Scan, etc. have repeated calls to Byte.toBytes() to convert a string to bytes. Is there some peculiar reason why the API doesn't also have methods which take a string and do the byte conversion internally?
1 point by ddlatham 17 minutes ago 0 replies      
It's a huge vote of confidence for HBase that the creators of Cassandra would choose it and its simple strong consistency model.
1 point by tapiwa 1 hour ago 0 replies      
The one good thing to take out of this is that Facebook made a measured decision, and ran with the best technology.

So easily (as many companies do) they could have taken a 'not invented here' decision and run with Cassandra.

3 points by sirclueless 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Why does this article contain the word "interwebs"?
Isle of Tune: A music sequencer using roads isleoftune.com
28 points by jamesjyu 7 hours ago   6 comments top 5
1 point by kree10 47 minutes ago 0 replies      
I'd love to see this on a game console. I imagine it would be fun having 2 or more people with Wii controllers improvising together on the same island.

The look of Isle of Tune reminds me of the artwork for the last David Byrne/Brian Eno album. Coincidence?

1 point by po 1 hour ago 0 replies      
It's interesting... On Safari if you put it into a background tab you can hear the music slow down as the thread gets less processing time.
1 point by encoderer 1 hour ago 0 replies      
My first thought was "lame." Then i clicked the demo island. Five mins later is was jamming with it.

Well done.

1 point by chrislloyd 2 hours ago 1 reply      
This is awesome but would be ten times cooler if it was (semi) turing complete: traffic lights which can change the direction of flow and portals to jump cars to another spot.
1 point by DupDetector 7 hours ago 0 replies      
Someone left a comment when this was submitted 8 hours ago:


Using Google Docs to write down your ideas the right way. workin-progress.posterous.com
16 points by kolinko 4 hours ago   13 comments top 8
1 point by Pewpewarrows 7 minutes ago 0 replies      
Personally I prefer to use the new Workflowy (YC S10) at http://www.workflowy.com

They just need to get those mobile apps done and I'd be in bliss forever.

3 points by DanHulton 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I just use a textfile in Dropbox. There's a sweet iPhone app called Nebulous Notes, specifically for editing text files in Dropbox, and bam - access to my text files everywhere.

This is especially handy, since I'm a little old-fashioned and work best via text files anyhow.

1 point by gvb 2 hours ago 1 reply      
The key for me is accessibility through my (Android) phone. It is my personal portable computer - I carry it everywhere except the shower (hmmm, maybe a Ziplock[tm] bag would work there ;-).

Google docs (finally!) got their mobile editing working for the "writer" app. I've been keeping notes in the spreadsheet app because I could edit it on my Android phone (crude, and deleting rows is a problem, but worked). Now that docs works, I'll be keeping more notes on that.

GDocs can synchronize docs with Google Docs for offline editing. It has had some bumps in its operations, but has mostly worked when I needed an offline editor that could synchronize with Google docs.

I've also used Note Everything which can export to Google docs, etc., but I really like the universal accessibility and lack of synchronizing issues (assuming a network connection) of using Google docs directly.

1 point by david_p 13 minutes ago 0 replies      
Why not just use Workflowy.com ? (keyboard centric, nested TODO lists)

I have discovered it two weeks ago and it has already a dedicated tab in my browser. As simple as your solution, but with more value, I believe.

2 points by electromagnetic 3 hours ago 1 reply      
This is how I handle ideas. I'm a writer, and it's incredibly annoying that inspiration comes at the most asinine times like literally being on the toilet or in the shower, or often in the middle of doing something you can't walk away from. But then a huge wack of ideas simply come whenever your mind can stray, and a lot of the time I'm online is time that my mind can stray so having Docs open is a life saver.

However, I don't change the privacy settings, and I've yet to encounter a frequent problem with Google signing me out. I've maybe been signed out once or twice in the past month. Does Mac or Safari have problems with cookies or something? Because I don't see this problem with Chrome.

1 point by gregpilling 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I use a private blog with Posterous. When I have an idea I just send off a quick email from a computer or my phone to ideas@posterous and its done. I can also use the voice recorder on my phone and email the file if I am driving and can't type a long note. Posterous of course accepts website links, video clips, photographs etc. The blog is password protected and I could share it if I wanted to.
2 points by bl4k 2 hours ago 1 reply      
You might want to blur the URL in the screenshots
1 point by d_c 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I don't see the point to alter the privacy settings.
Your apps are watching you wsj.com
3 points by mdon 1 hour ago   3 comments top 2
1 point by dmn001 6 minutes ago 1 reply      
This is why I jailbreak and install a firewall on my iphone,
2 points by DupDetector 35 minutes ago 0 replies      
Clearly of interest, this is the third submission of this item:



No comments yet, although the original submission got several upvotes.

Show HN: I wrote my own Delicious clone 1r7.net
108 points by cheald 14 hours ago   61 comments top 26
25 points by cheald 14 hours ago 2 replies      
After spending some time last night bemoaning Delicious' impending demise, I decided to just write my own stand-in. So I put in a few extra hours last night and banged this out.

It's running on a free Heroku instance with a $5 MongoHQ DB backing it, so I fully expect it to explode if it gets any appreciable attention, but I'm pretty proud of it for an evening project and wanted to share.

Thanks to HNer mslagh for the domain - I picked it up as a part of his giveaway a few weeks back. :)

11 points by cheald 12 hours ago 2 replies      
Someone wrote about it on TNW and my poor little Heroku instance exploded. I'm gonna move import to a background worker and see if that helps matters.
6 points by code_duck 5 hours ago 0 replies      
That's definitely the can-do, spontaneous hacker spirit! But aren't there already like 90 delicious clones out there?
5 points by steve19 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Any plans to open source it so we can run it on our own Heroku instance?
3 points by pyre 14 hours ago 1 reply      
Looks good. Some nits though:

1. There isn't enough margin on the left side of the page. The text bumps up right against the edge of my browser. I don't know if this is just an oversight due to me smaller screen size (1024x600) or if everyone sees it like that.

2. The main page has horizontal scrolling on my netbook with fullscreen Chromium.

2 points by ghshephard 12 hours ago 1 reply      
Nice, Clean interface. Fast, responsive.

It's broken right now (Won't import my book marks, refers to me as "4d0c26c34caddf4914000003!") - but I'm looking forward to trying it out.

3 points by joshu 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Replace the logo with text. It renders strangely on my mac.
3 points by shazow 13 hours ago 1 reply      

Signed in using Twitter OAuth, imported my Delicious backup, completely painless.

Now if you release an API and people make awesome Chrome/Firefox extensions, you're on your way to sell this beauty to Yahoo! :P

Edit: Looks like the Settings page is a bit broken, but I'm sure it'll be fixed soon. Bonus points if you import my profile data from Twitter. :)

3 points by andycds 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Congratulations! Great job! You could change the link of an user. Instead http://1r7.net/people/4d0c18ee1e62882c6d00058b think http://1r7.net/people/andycds.
4 points by Infomus 13 hours ago 1 reply      
This is really great. But - http://blog.delicious.com/ Delicious is not shutting down.
1 point by foomarks 12 hours ago 0 replies      
I've always wished Delicious would get more social and more niche-y. One particular idea I'm interested in is to uncover user bookmarking patterns and not just bookmark popularity. I wonder if this this clone experiment would play with these ideas:

+ Finding the people who shared the same bookmarks as you, and also measure how different they are from you: This might uncover bookmarks and areas of interests that weren't on my radar.

+ Look for users who have similar tagging patterns: Finding similar people would be handy, then I could subscribe to their bookmarks. Delicious has a feature called the user's Top 10 Tags. I wonder if there is a way to compare how similarly you tag with other users to find similar users?

+ When performing a search, look for the most popular bookmarks and the most unpopular to find more esoteric and possibly interesting items.

+ An RSS feed for people who bookmarked the same thing I did: as a way to find new people who share the same interests as you.

2 points by icco 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Looks cool. Two things: I would love if you open sourced it, and dear god that domain sucks, but whatever it was free right? :p
3 points by dekz 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Password is too long (maximum is 20 characters)


Looks good otherwise, especially for a overnight hack.

2 points by AdamGibbins 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Can you allow me to pay to get rid of the ads please? :-)
2 points by Skywing 12 hours ago 1 reply      
CSS annoyance:

The import bookmarks, and bookmarklet links had a:hover text-dec underline, which creates an out of place underline on Chrome.

1 point by jorgem 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Why not go all the way? The domain DeliciousClone.com is available.
3 points by Vekz 14 hours ago 1 reply      
Can I import my Delicious data to this?
1 point by jtg 13 hours ago 0 replies      
For a "few extra hours," this is excellent. And I like the route that you're taking by trying to produce as faithful of a reproduction as you can. It's set to basically be a drop-in replacement. Keep doing what you're doing. I love it.
1 point by Pfiffer 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Is there any way to import bookmarks from Chrome? I see it mentioned but then it just redirects me to the delicious importer. Place-holder text?

Edit: Also it appears to be down atm.

1 point by Skywing 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Looks good. I might even like the appearance of it more than delicious. Easily my favorite part about delicious, though, is the Chrome plugin. Make one. :)
1 point by philfreo 14 hours ago 1 reply      
got an error upon sign up
1 point by taylorbuley 13 hours ago 1 reply      
You could nitpick the old delicious too. This is great. Good work. What's next?
1 point by shallowwater 12 hours ago 1 reply      
this looks pretty great, but I have to be a total dick here for a minute and ask. Is there an exporter? Given the current climate, I think it is at least a little bit reasonable to ask.
1 point by davidcollantes 12 hours ago 0 replies      
Where can we go to get the code now?
1 point by pshirishreddy 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Hey!!! Favicon ??
1 point by sullof 12 hours ago 0 replies      
Great work!
What's New in Scala 2.8: The Architecture of Scala Collections artima.com
17 points by pan69 5 hours ago   discuss
What's Next for Delicious? delicious.com
210 points by adambyrtek 21 hours ago   90 comments top 18
33 points by varworld 21 hours ago 3 replies      
Original Text (since blog was down):

What's Next for Delicious?

Many of you have read the news stories about Delicious that began appearing yesterday. We're genuinely sorry to have these stories appear with so little context for our loyal users. While we can't answer each of your questions individually, we wanted to address what we can at this stage and we promise to keep you posted as future plans get finalized.

Is Delicious being shut down? And should I be worried about my data?

- No, we are not shutting down Delicious. While we have determined that there is not a strategic fit at Yahoo!, we believe there is a ideal home for Delicious outside of the company where it can be resourced to the level where it can be competitive.

What is Yahoo! going to do with Delicious?

- We're actively thinking about the future of Delicious and we believe there is a home outside the company that would make more sense for the service and our users. We're in the process of exploring a variety of options and talking to companies right now. And we'll share our plans with you as soon as we can.

What if I want to get my bookmarks out of Delicious right away?

- As noted above, there's no reason to panic. We are maintaining Delicious and encourage you to keep using it. That said, we have export options if you so choose. Additionally, many services provide the ability to import Delicious links and tags.
We can only imagine how upsetting the news coverage over the past 24 hours has been to many of you. Speaking for our team, we were very disappointed by the way that this appeared in the press. We'll let you know more as things develop.

34 points by bjonathan 21 hours ago 2 replies      
This blog post claim to be destinate at the users of Delicious but it screams all over it "IF YOU HAVE MONEY AND WANT TO BUY US, PLEASE REACH US BY MAIL". Sad.

Hope, they sell it to Joshu or somebody who really cares

20 points by steveklabnik 21 hours ago 4 replies      
Is this too little, too late? Why wasn't this blog post made yesterday? Now "Delicious is closing" has pretty much become "truth," even with this damage control. Many have already started trying out alternate services.

Kinda scary how fast this happens...

11 points by paul 18 hours ago 1 reply      
I want to make fun of the word "resourced", but can't decide how. Something about lame corporate speak.

Now I'm off to resource the dog...

12 points by zoomzoom 20 hours ago 1 reply      
Google has a big opportunity here. Delicious is one of the best social search products out there. Any real google innovation in social would be boosted by the user data and brand. Not to mention the pr boost from saving them. Much as many on HN and elsewhere are suggesting the viability of alternatives, few of them seem to compare in terms of data and function right now. Not that this couldn't change quickly.
42 points by mcfunley 20 hours ago 2 replies      
Putting the entire team of people that knew how to operate it out on the street was perhaps not the best strategy for getting a good price.
14 points by MikeCapone 20 hours ago 1 reply      
"Sorry, Internal Server Error."

Sadly, that's probably what's next for Delicious.

2 points by random42 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Why would they do a press release, before selling it? I dont remember anyone ever putting a "For Sale" board, for a software property of Delicious' scale.

It is just they are covering up for the bad press, IMO.

9 points by varworld 21 hours ago 4 replies      
"While we have determined that there is not a strategic fit at Yahoo!, we believe there is a ideal home for Delicious outside of the company where it can be resourced to the level where it can be competitive."

I don't get how notepad, address book, calendar etc are part of yahoo's strategy and bookmarks aren't.

3 points by marcamillion 20 hours ago 0 replies      
This is what I saw when I went to this link:

Sorry, Internal Server Error.

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

I thought that was pretty clever by the OP. I assumed that he made up the url 'what's next for delicious' ensuring that it would go to an error page. But then I realized that it really was an error and the blog post had been taken down :(

3 points by gojomo 18 hours ago 0 replies      
If Yahoo had just put 'Spinout/Sunset' atop that slide naming Del.icio.us, rather than just 'Sunset', a lot of the anguish could have been avoided.
2 points by jleader 14 hours ago 1 reply      
Note that they've pulled down all the other delicious blog posts; the source for this page still has a "previous" link in the source to 'http://blog.delicious.com/blog/2010/12/tags-return-to-the-bo..., but it's gone, as are the rss and atom feeds, etc.
1 point by plusbryan 16 hours ago 0 replies      
If I were in negotiations with Yahoo to buy one of their properties (and I were more nefarious), I'd have leaked a story like this to reduce the sales price.
1 point by javadi82 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I find it very odd that Delicious was not a "strategic fit" at Yahoo!

If I remember right, Yahoo was a bunch of links pointing people to webpages. How is that different from bookmarks?

Citation regarding the history of Yahoo:

Before long they were spending more time on their home-brewed lists of favorite links than on their doctoral dissertations.


1 point by ddrager 20 hours ago 1 reply      
Yahoo has been lacking any major "must have" products in the past what, 10 years?

Here is a list of everything they offer: http://everything.yahoo.com/

Delicious was about the only thing that the 'tech' crowd uses. Think about the people you know who might use Yahoo! Mail or Answers. It is the decidedly less-tech people who use these products, mainly as a throwback to the Yahoo! of 2000. Of course, Yahoo!'s goal isn't to cater to tech people, but people who click on ads. I imagine their revenue is declining for even those main-stream products, but for them to cut out the more tech oriented services which actually have a chance in the future to really get 'big', is just delaying their demise a year or 2.

1 point by pronoiac 18 hours ago 0 replies      
1 point by raphman 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Just in case:
(collaborative crawling of Delicious using a Chrome extension)
1 point by dgrant 14 hours ago 3 replies      
Anyone know a good alternative to Delicious?
How Yahoo Blew It (2007) wired.com
19 points by luckyisgood 6 hours ago   4 comments top 3
3 points by rwmj 1 hour ago 0 replies      
The article is right that this came down to execution.

I remember managing ad campaigns (around 2005-2006) on AdWords, Overture and (starting at that time) MS AdCenter. AdWords was just great to use compared to the other two. With AdWords it's relatively easy to manually or automatically manage a campaign of 30,000 keywords and hundreds or thousands of adverts. Overture's UI was simply painful even for a handful of adverts.

MS's offering as I remember required Windows or IE or something so we tended to avoid it altogether.

6 points by luckyisgood 6 hours ago 1 reply      
This article is a great snapshot of a piece of IT history. Knowing that Yahoo almost bought Google in 2002, today I'm glad the deal never went through.
1 point by ra 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Interesting. The bit about GoTo.com becoming Overture, which preceded Adwords was news to me.

I guess I subscribed to the often told story that Google invented "text ads for search keywords".

Google Predicts Rise of Web OS in 2011 gigaom.com
6 points by lotusleaf1987 2 hours ago   2 comments top 2
1 point by tybris 0 minutes ago 0 replies      
There's not even a half-decent open file system for the web yet. I can store my files on my desktop and open them with any application, put them in Dropbox and open them in any computer. Before you have that (and many, many other things), web applications that are on par with Desktop applications remain a dream. As they have been for the last 15 years.
1 point by jawee 32 minutes ago 0 replies      
Note... webOS != Web OS.
Welcome (Pinboard Blog) pinboard.in
23 points by stilist 7 hours ago   5 comments top 4
2 points by noelsequeira 33 minutes ago 0 replies      
>The (registration) fee is based on the formula (number of users * $0.001), so the earlier you join, the less you pay.

Love that they're completely transparent about their number of users and how they're using it as a bargaining chip to convert fence-sitters like me.

Might really pay to be an early adopter.

1 point by starnix17 1 hour ago 0 replies      
It's amazing that they haven't gone down at all during all of this.

The Delicious blog couldn't even handle its own traffic yesterday.

2 points by Qz 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Bio for one of the Pinboard creators:

Peter Gadjokov (pvg) co-founded del.icio.us in 2003. His previous projects include Bigbook, Infoscape, Weathernews, and the internal networking protocols for an Austrian tank.

1 point by mduvall 1 hour ago 1 reply      
The idea is good, is the tagline 'social bookmarking for introverts' really motivating? It seems that at least in the 18-25 age range the word introvert has a stigma...
Worse is Better dreamsongs.com
11 points by snth 4 hours ago   1 comment top
1 point by billswift 59 minutes ago 0 replies      
I have read several different takes on "Worse Is Better" on the Web, as well as Gabriel's book, Patterns of Software, and generally think it is a good way of developing useful software. It is too bad though that he didn't give it another name; the bad part about the phrase is how lazy or careless programmers use it to excuse their laziness and carelessness.
FitFu (YC W11): Stay active anywhere fitfu.com
109 points by JofArnold 18 hours ago   81 comments top 25
19 points by ErrantX 17 hours ago 4 replies      

I really want you to sell me this product because this solves (I think?) a problem I often face. The product page (and the blog) makes a big thing about the social aspect and so on. Which is fine; but I still have no idea what exactly it does.

It tracks my movement. When? How?

What exactly does it do?

Clearly your are hip and cool, which is great. But I've clicked every link and I am still none the wiser as to the product... sorry.

EDIT: Right, I noted the TC link (http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/17/fitfu-wants-to-get-you-exer...) posted elsewhere. That was much more explanatory, now I understand a lot more. In fact (and, man, I never thought I would say this!) the TechCrunch copy is pretty solid explanatory text, you should take careful note of it and consider at least a page that says something similar about what the product is.

17 points by steveklabnik 18 hours ago 3 replies      
Looks awesome guys, congrats! One small bit of feedback: I had a really, really hard time parsing this sentence:

> Activate some you time, fit in some fu time

By the time I got to the comma, my brain was totally halted.

11 points by superjared 18 hours ago 1 reply      
"Ever get the feeling there's more to life than sitting around: sitting at work, sitting in the car, sitting in front of the TV? Do you want to get active but haven't time for the gym?"

Stop watching so much TV.

8 points by kmfrk 18 hours ago 2 replies      
That mascot is really scary.

Amazing design, though. Really sets you apart from the competition.

4 points by LargeWu 17 hours ago 1 reply      
The one thing I found missing from the pitch: Is it effective? Of course that's implied in any marketing, but I thought the specifics were a bit fuzzy; just some vague statements about moving around and tracking using the accelerometer.
2 points by jonmc12 15 hours ago 0 replies      
I have a fitbit and an Android phone. Personally, I'm in the segment of this market that would like my workout activity tracked in the background. I'm not likely to change my routine based on an app, but if I had an app that could automatically track the details of my exercises at the gym, I'd use it endlessly. Fitbit does this for running / walking, but not for individual exercises yet.
1 point by MJR 15 hours ago 1 reply      
"The more you and your friends are active, the higher your level and the higher your points. And points mean prizes; unlock new content as you progress."

What prizes? I don't see any further explanation of this anywhere on the site. What are the point values for these prizes? What kind of content am I unlocking? Advanced exercises, tips, what?

It's really not clear what happens after I do the exercise, tell my friends and get some points, but apparently something will happen.

2 points by ig1 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Has something changed with the YC process, I don't recall ever seeing as many announcements postfixed with the YC season (i.e YC W11) before that season actually happened as we do now.
2 points by cracell 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Just tried this out. Very cool start, looking forward to seeing how it evolves.

I would love to see either an API to pull one's own data to graph it. Or built in graphing of some sort. Also more activities overall. Looks like there are only 8.

3 points by datawalke 17 hours ago 0 replies      
Congrats on shipping! The application looks great. I am going to give it a try out later on tonight.
1 point by crad 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Is this targeted specifically to women? All the screenshots and avatar photos are female. Doesn't seem like it is functionally but I wouldn't want to make the faux pas of installing it like I did when I tried Nike Training Club instead of Nike BOOM.
3 points by judegomila 18 hours ago 0 replies      
This is cool. Now my iphone has a built in gym as well...
1 point by heyrhett 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Why is the FitFu mascot the alien version of Tucan Sam?
5 points by ry0ohki 18 hours ago 2 replies      
Who does your design? It looks absolutely stunning.
3 points by holdenk 17 hours ago 0 replies      
Any plans for an Android port?
1 point by cullenking 18 hours ago 1 reply      
Nice work! Let us know if you ever want to explore integration with GPS/mapping at some point, we are working with several other mobile fitness app developers to provide integration with our service.
2 points by BenjieGillam 18 hours ago 0 replies      
2 points by mattberg 16 hours ago 0 replies      
any early testers have any thoughts on how this compares to Fitbit? i am a big fan of Fitbit and their customer support is pretty amazing.
1 point by kyenneti 17 hours ago 0 replies      
My respect for the YC increasing with each passing batch. I was under the impression that its only possible to come with some software apps for such small investments (in terms of money) - But YC is showing the world that there are no boundaries and no limits on what one could come up with .
I only wish if someone can replicate YC to our Healthcare industry.
2 points by zende 18 hours ago 0 replies      
I love the the whistle character! I also like applying game dynamics and competition to exercise and losing weight
1 point by yesimahuman 16 hours ago 1 reply      
Any chance you guys are from the UK? I think I met you before the YC interview. Congrats!
1 point by revorad 18 hours ago 0 replies      
Nice to see game mechanics applied to productive activities. Good luck guys!
1 point by nwmcsween 18 hours ago 3 replies      
Damn I was going to do this, I had the plan on paper around 2 years ago but with a few more features to engage users. Such as competitions worth $ and speed runs using the camera for live competitions
1 point by ladon86 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Good job, I've already bought both PushupFu and CrunchFu.

Is this like a combination of those two and more?

1 point by jkahn 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Are you the same guys that made PushupFu for the iPhone? Or is that purely coincidental?
Stored XSS Vulnerability in Amazon (or How to hack Amazon with a book) drwetter.eu
129 points by borski 21 hours ago   11 comments top 10
10 points by jerf 20 hours ago 1 reply      
Just replicated the Stallown3d!1 one, it's still there.

Actually a useful link to have; I've had some difficulty convincing people in the past that this sort of injection is a big deal and that's a convenient, harmless way to prove the point.

21 points by schrototo 20 hours ago 0 replies      
This has to be the funniest XSS hack of all time.
22 points by iwwr 20 hours ago 0 replies      
The Bobby Tables of literature
1 point by FluidDjango 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Possibly fixed?

I'm not seeing this vulnerability now via Mac FireFox 3.6.12 or Safari.

3 points by infinity 18 hours ago 0 replies      
This is fantastic! Great find. It reminds me a little of the idea of pen and paper attacks, like this http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1721494

But writing a book as an attack vector is certainly epic.

4 points by kingofspain 19 hours ago 0 replies      
Couple of $$, Createspace. Bait-y title. Merry xmas!
1 point by code_duck 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Now THAT would be an elaborate hack to pull off. Obviously Amazon never thought of that! Between this and the magic goggles, this week is turning out to be so interesting.
2 points by Groxx 19 hours ago 0 replies      
That is an epic XSS hack. I think they won.
1 point by Mithrandir 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Couldn't do it w/o logging in, until I copied the url from the author's picture.


1 point by Mithrandir 10 hours ago 0 replies      
ha.ckers is down. :(
An urgent appeal from git-scm.com maintainer Scott Chacon git-scm.com
124 points by kneath 21 hours ago   58 comments top 14
42 points by seiji 21 hours ago 3 replies      
It's a joke parodying http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WMFJA032/en/US

I can't imagine Scott or a tiny git website is in need of money.

Amusingly, if you try to enter an amount greater than $25000, google checkout just dies.

10 points by schacon 10 hours ago 1 reply      
Though nearly everybody seemed to get the joke, a few people didn't - one in particular who seemed very upset about it, thinking that it was fraudulent in some way. I was only planning on keeping it up for one day anyhow, so I've taken the page and banner down. I thought it was an amusing parody, as did the majority of people who gave me feedback on it, I'm sorry if you did not.

If you did donate through the button, as was evident from multiple places, the donation went to the Software Freedom Conservancy for the Git project which will go to helping the Git project however the Git leaders see fit. Technically, even if you took the page seriously (which I still have a hard time understanding how that happens, the content of the appeal was simply ludicrous), I still don't think it could be considered fraudulent as the money does go to the Git project. If git-scm.com actually needed millions, which is ridiculous, it would go through the SFC. I'm also likely to transfer the domain to the SFC, so some of the donations will probably go to domain registration for git-scm.com at some point anyhow.

I apologize to anyone who took it more seriously than it was intended (except for one guy) and thank those of you who did donate because they like Git or because they like the other resources that I've put online. The money will go to the Git project and likely partially to the website for registration or transfer (the hosting of which has been donated by GitHub for a long time now and will continue to be).

24 points by jrockway 18 hours ago 6 replies      
Man, people really hate that Wikipedia fund drive. It really worries me how people have no trouble with ads blaring music and obscuring the text of pages they are reading, or with advertisers dictating what content can and cannot be published, but everyone gets super upset when the guy who started the website puts his picture at the top and says, "hey guys, providing a free encyclopedia costs money, mind chipping in $10?".

You know you can just click the "X" and it goes away, right?

(Just out of curiosity, do people get this upset when NPR and PBS do their fund drives? Or because you are getting a lunchbox for your $100 donation, it's not as annoying? The outrage just confuses me.)

3 points by danielh 1 hour ago 0 replies      
In case you wonder what the fuzz is about: the page has been changed in the meantime.

This is how it looked: http://i.min.us/idDeBk.png

Meta: I'm reposting the link originally posted by recoil [1] because I just spent 5 minutes skimming the comments.

[1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2018992

21 points by Groxx 21 hours ago 0 replies      
Love the photo. What appears to be alcohol, an explosion in the background, and he looks like he's saying something off-camera.


4 points by Udo 17 hours ago 0 replies      
I think the banner asking for donations is just fine. However, I take issue with two things:

If you decide to donate, the minimum amount is 20 USD. While it is highly debatable how much access to Wikipedia is worth to a person, I believe it sends a message that they really don't care for it if you give them anything less than that.

Also, despite assurances to not use private information gathered from the Paypal transaction, once they grab a hold of an email address, they keep sending reminders intended to pressure people into signing up for a monthly subscription. This is simply not very nice.

Another minor detail: a donation to Wikimedia is handled as an ordinary PayPal payment transaction, whereas a donation to SFC (the company behind git) is properly and clearly labeled as a donation. Not that it matters much, but it probably betrays the mindset of Wikimedia to some extent.

4 points by ztan 20 hours ago 0 replies      
My guess is that the floating head and staring contest with Jimmy Wales banners finally got to him.


Interestingly from what I can see in their published tests and stats for the banners, having pics of Jimmy on the banners actually had a significant positive effect. Which explains why they kept doing different variations of them despite the fact they creep some of us out.


2 points by bcl 20 hours ago 0 replies      
4 points by gnok 21 hours ago 0 replies      
The footnote mentions this is a parody.
And quote "Donations made will actually go to the Git project under the Software Freedom Conservancy.".
1 point by ludwigvan 17 hours ago 0 replies      
Awesome! Has a meme on this started yet?

By the way, thanks to this, I got to read the Wales' appeal which I didn't bother to do before; but I can't take it seriously unfortunately anymore :)

1 point by rohitarondekar 14 hours ago 0 replies      
Not everybody can donate money. Is there any other way we can contribute?
8 points by getsat 21 hours ago 0 replies      
Though this is (apparently?) a joke, I would donate if there were other options besides Google Checkout. Git is one piece of software that I can unequivocally say has changed my life for the better.
0 points by mkramlich 18 hours ago 0 replies      
Can someone tell me which link leads to their high-end brothel?
How to (In)validate Your Startup Idea wepay.com
98 points by sophmonroe 19 hours ago   54 comments top 11
37 points by edw519 18 hours ago replies      
If anybody responds, tell them that the offer is oversubscribed and that it is no longer available.


A company built to handle other people's money that recommends deception. What's wrong with this picture?

9 points by alain94040 19 hours ago 2 replies      
I fully agree with the article, however, when I think of most the big successes of the last 10 years, they all fall in the exception category.

What does that tell me? Would that have worked for twitter? No. For Google search? Barely. For Facebook? Probably not. GroupOn? Probably.

12 points by brlewis 19 hours ago 0 replies      
Lying to potential customers is cheap in terms of development time, but costly in terms of reputation.
13 points by emiller829 19 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm not sure I'd want to take any advice that suggests starting off a business relationship by lying to the potential customer.

(Re: "Identify your target customer. COLD email 20 of them and offer to pay THEM to use your product if they are willing to offer some feedback. See how many respond. If anybody responds, tell them that the offer is oversubscribed and that it is no longer available. See how many of those people still ask about the product.")

9 points by cranbell127 17 hours ago 1 reply      
No thanks. Lies are a bad business model and a worse life model. Makes one think wepay.com's sense of ethics all boil down to whether it makes them money or not.
6 points by kqueue 19 hours ago 2 replies      
This is exactly what mark zuckerberg did. [sarcasm]

IMHO, you invalidate an idea after you implement it and see the user's reactions. Before then, you cannot know if it will succeed or not.

5 points by lhnn 19 hours ago 1 reply      
These are interesting ideas. I'd like to hear from any founders who have used any of these methods, and to what extent they were beneficial in gauging the eventual level of success of an idea.
4 points by auston 19 hours ago 2 replies      
You guys should work on formatting your posts, bold list titles or italicize or underline - I am too lazy to read everything, I want to skim before I decide to read.
3 points by kirinkalia 19 hours ago 0 replies      
This piece succeeds because it spells the steps out clearly and tells you there are three very big counter-examples. So if you're trying to change the way people spend time and/or communicate, how do you get validation?
2 points by isomorph 14 hours ago 0 replies      
regarding the lying:

didn't bill gates lie to ibm when they were looking for an OS and say he had one (and then bought qdos and hacked it into dos)?

think of what a boon microsoft has been to the world (i'm only half facetious)

from a utilitarian - the only nonreligious, rational morality? - perspective...

1 point by rokhayakebe 17 hours ago 0 replies      
To everyone who has a problem with tell them that the offer is oversubscribed, you do not have to take one sentence and turn it into a huge deal. If that is what the author wants to say, then so be it, just suggest something better and that may work.
What to Read to Get Up to Speed in JavaScript reybango.com
155 points by stsmytherie 1 day ago   31 comments top 11
10 points by tlrobinson 21 hours ago 2 replies      
My recommendations:


* YUI Theater talks by Douglas Crockford: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/ especially:

* The JavaScript Programming Language

* Advanced JavaScript


* "A Re-introduction to JavaScript": https://developer.mozilla.org/en/a_re-introduction_to_javasc...

* Advanced tutorial from John Resig: http://ejohn.org/apps/learn/

* MDC Reference: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/javascript

Books (you can borrow my copies of these if you want):

* "JavaScript: The Good Parts"

* "JavaScript: The Definitive Guide" is a good reference for both the language and browser/DOM APIs

8 points by sedachv 21 hours ago 3 replies      
That list is way too long. JavaScript isn't that big or complicated, even if you include DOM and cross-browser issues (which by virtue of continuous browser changes, you will never learn about from a book).

My top 3:
1. Eloquent JavaScript
2. JavaScript the Good Parts
3. High Performance JavaScript (see my review: http://carcaddar.blogspot.com/2010/07/book-review-nicholas-c...)

Also, I wouldn't recommend either of Resig's books, despite not reading them. Look at Peter Michaux and David Mark's posts on comp.lang.javascript for criticisms (actually, comp.lang.javascript would be the fourth thing on my list if it was a book).

13 points by kls 1 day ago 3 replies      
What if I had to Choose Just 3 Books

You selection is good but I can't believe that in the "if I could only get three" section, Crockford's the good parts is not #1. I mean it is the seminal work for JavaScript, it should be the first or second book anyone considering doing serious JavaScript should read.

4 points by petercooper 22 hours ago 0 replies      
Not a book and not a blog, but if you want to keep up with the latest JavaScript stuff on a weekly basis through e-mail: http://javascriptweekly.com/

Yes, it's mine but it's had kudos from folks like Steve Souders and Amy Hoy and almost at 3000 subscribers so I don't feel too bad pimping it. Latest issue is at http://javascriptweekly.com/archive/5.html if you want a preview.

5 points by vladd 1 day ago 0 replies      
Try to separate the JavaScript language from the additional bindings that the platform gives to you.

If you learn client-side JavaScript for use inside the browsers, differentiate what's a language feature and what's part of the DOM.

If you learn server-side JavaScript, start by looking over the CommonJS standards as they tend to be the common denominator across the server-side JS implementations.

And... experiment. Write a .html on your desktop which references a sample.js and use your browser to check it out and modify the code. Don't rely on technical knowledge for more than a couple of hours without trying out the things in practice. Or, for server-side JavaScript, you can get a free hosting account and browser-based editor at http://erbix.com +), using just OpenId (i.e. your Google account) to sign up.

(+) Disclaimer: I'm affiliated with Erbix.

1 point by DanielBMarkham 19 hours ago 0 replies      
Shorter list from hn-books: http://www.hn-books.com#B0=41&B1=14&B2=89&B3=119...

Note that I included a JQuery book in there. Any more, it's not enough to know just Javascript, you should also know JQuery (and just as importantly you should know when to use it and when not to use it)

These are ordered, so the top 3 are the best (in my opinion). The others are really good, but with a topic like this it can easily spin out of control, with hundreds of books getting recommended. Stick to 2-4.

2 points by gte910h 1 day ago 2 replies      
Eh, in my opinion, unless you're doing server side javascript, the thing you need to learn most about when doing javascript is dhtml. The actual javascript language isn't the hard or strange part of the experince.

Most of his links seem to point to actual language esoterica. Only 1 seems to really point at DOM interactions.

3 points by dstein 22 hours ago 0 replies      
When studying a language, one does not typically start with an abstraction library.
1 point by AgentConundrum 14 hours ago 0 replies      
I wish there were more posts like this, explaining which books are suitable for each "knowledge level."

My biggest issue has always been that most books assume you know nothing about programming, and so become boring and repetitive, and I learn nothing new.

2 points by p0nce 16 hours ago 0 replies      
"Javascript : The Good Parts" + visit http://ejohn.org/apps/learn
1 point by Tichy 16 hours ago 2 replies      
What about server side JavaScript? I guess there are no books yet?
RequireJS: a JavaScript file and module loader requirejs.org
16 points by jamesjyu 7 hours ago   3 comments top 2
1 point by unicornporn 19 minutes ago 0 replies      
omfg, that website is beauty itself. seriously.
2 points by ahemphill 5 hours ago 1 reply      
What makes this different/better than Head JS, LAB, et cetera? If you're familiar with the project, pitch us.
Hacker changes the way people with colour blindness see the world thenextweb.com
51 points by zeedotme 17 hours ago   15 comments top 8
10 points by pygy_ 16 hours ago 0 replies      

tl;dr - color is a 3D space. Colorblind people can only percieve two of these. This device may change the projection of the 3D space on their 2D space, but it will not magically make the third dimension pop out.

-- original post, a bit less synthetic.

Color is a 3D space (wherever you chose to put the axes, RGB, HSL...) because we have three subtypes of color-related light detectors, called cones, in our retina (there are more photosensitive cells, but they aren't involved in color).

Each cone is sensitive to a range of the visible spectrum, with peak sensitivity respectively in what we call red, green and blue. These ranges are overlapping, though, which allows our brain to interpret monochromatic light correctly by weighting the response of each type of cone.

See [1] for a schema and a more thorough explanation.

Note also that magenta exists as a color (ie unique subjective experience), even though no monochromatic light can evoke it. You get it by stimulating the red and the blue cones, sparring the green one.

All of this to say that with two cones, you're stuck in a 2D space of color blindness.

This tool may help colorblind people to get a different projection of the 3D space in their 2D detection field, but they will not be able to perceive the 3D space at once.


For those who didn't get their dose of photoreceptors trivia:

The retina also contains another type of detectors called rods, which are much more sensitive to light than the cones, and is involved in both day and night vision whereas the cones are only stimulated in daylight This explains why you don't percieve colors in the darkness.

At last, the recently discovered melanopsin containing ganglion cells are involved in the circadian cycle and other light-related acivity in the autonomous nevous system.


[1] http://www.unm.edu/~toolson/human_cone_response.htm

4 points by simonsquiff 16 hours ago 4 replies      
The opposite would be really good for designers - augmented reality of what a colour blind person would see. Would be good to check if your design is going to make life difficult for the colour blind.
1 point by rasur 1 hour ago 0 replies      
This is quite nice, but the real killer version would be when the user has "virtual light" glasses (cf William Gibson, or - more physically - Prof. Steve Mann's "EyeTap" wearable computing ideas).

Then the colour-blind user would receive the benefit as long as they were wearing glasses (contrasted to looking through a phone when they needed to check a colour).

4 points by jaxn 16 hours ago 0 replies      
I am looking forward to testing this out.

I wish they would have a colorblind test at the start and adjust the settings for me based on what kind of colorblindness I have.

2 points by po 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Interestingly, and perhaps more importantly, the theory works the other way too. It is possible to simulate color blindness for normal people as well. I know I've seen an application that allowed you to view various things as the various colorblind conditions would see it. It allowed you to check things like button contrast on websites.

Another thing I don't understand is that if you're used to seeing things in a certain color space, and this app "fixes" it, then wouldn't it look strange to you? I mean, I get that it can be useful to discern colors that look the same to you, but it's not like the image will be more "normal" for you right?

3 points by bconway 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Great app. I wouldn't recommend using it in a theater, though (the original inspiration).
1 point by runjake 15 hours ago 1 reply      
As a colorblind person, I'd like to see something similar to Barcode Scanner with a smaller reticle to identify colors (RGB | human equivalent name) the reticle is over.

When I have some time, I plan to do this myself, if nobody else does.

1 point by phillipmstewart 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Didn't want to waste my money on this, but judging from the fact that this app doesn't use magic(and screen caps), I can tell you that it doesn't work.

You can separate colors on a spectrum all you want... it doesn't make a bit of difference.

Now... if you had it display the name of the color... great. That would be a huge asset. Not an expensive chore that just confuses me more.

Governments shouldn't have a monopoly on Internet governance googleblog.blogspot.com
170 points by michaelcgorman 1 day ago   45 comments top 12
10 points by jellicle 20 hours ago 6 replies      
I disagree. Google is completely wrong and self-serving here. Even evil.

It is important for people to realize the idea of "conservation of government". There are many areas of life that will be governed by rules, like it or not. If government does it, they will be rules set by government, and therefore having some accountability to the people, in democratic societies.

If government declines to be the rule-setter, private industry usually takes up the slack. Their rules have no accountability to individuals. But either way, the amount of government is conserved, only the basis for it and accountability of it change.

If the U.S. decided to abolish the FDA, for example, there would still be rules governing food quality in the United States. They would be rules set by consortiums of grocery store chains and meat packers and the like. "Walmart will buy meat only of this quality and no worse", whatever that quality level might be. The food protection rules didn't disappear, they just became divorced from accountability to the public.

Libertarians (Vint Cerf certainly is one, and corporations generally are as well) pronounce that shifting governance from government to corporations is good. Certainly it is in the corporate interest. As for good, any given shift could be good (in the sense that you could have a benevolent dictator, for a time), but in the aggregate, divorcing accountability from governance certainly results in worse governance (the average dictator is worse than the average elected representative).

The unelected, unaccountable, responsive-only-to-money Chamber of Commerce is not in fact the right entity to be deciding internet governance issues. Elected governments are.

22 points by pierrefar 1 day ago 2 replies      
Before we get all up in arms about governments taking monopoly, we should remind ourselves that the "bottom up" approach being championed here gave us the Google-Verizon open internet proposal in August. As I understand it, the proposal have implied net neutrality for wireline services but has an opt-out for wireless internet. So the bottom up approach is not a guarantee that it will produce better policies.

But on balance, the bottom up approach has certainly been good for the internet. I just want to keep it in perspective.

References for the Google-Verizon deal:



5 points by jdp23 22 hours ago 0 replies      
Wikileaks highlights how governments' interest can differ from the "citizens of the Internet" (for lack of a better term). Of course governments do act as an important counterweight to keep corporations from abusing their monopolies on internet governments ....

From a governance perspective, who speaks for "Google users"?

5 points by siculars 21 hours ago 0 replies      
Say what you want about Google but at least they have fight in them and don't roll over at the onset.
4 points by Locke1689 20 hours ago 1 reply      
Maybe I'm in the minority here but I'd rather governments have control here. At least I have a vote and rights in my government. I'm not a Google shareholder so Google, not so much.
1 point by mattmanser 22 hours ago 0 replies      
The very premise of this article is totally ridiculous.

The beauty of the internet is that you can easily share vast amounts of digitized information with anyone without having to be in the same place.

Not that it's governed by X or Y. And the IGF doesn't govern it anyway.

In the end this forum is a total joke anyway, a pointless waste of money, much like many parts of the UN from which it stems. Any actual decisions are made elsewhere.

And even if it did matter why should we support a bunch of companies and academics taking part in this sort of thing? Who elected them? What if it were Zynga sitting on this committee instead of Google? Would anyone be outraged at their departure?

2 points by steadicat 22 hours ago 3 replies      
"Governments shouldn't have a monopoly on governance."

Isn't governance what governments are for? Granted, governments are dysfunctional in many ways, but suggesting governments let others govern seems a bit silly. Who else is going to govern? Should we let corporations sit on committees, next to officials, forgetting that officials were elected, and corporations were not?

There is no guarantee that companies are going to take care of our interests better than governments do. And let's not forget that governments are dysfunctional largely because of the influence that corporations themselves already exert on them.

1 point by jayphelps 21 hours ago 2 replies      
I've said it before...I'm fairly confident the government will subsidize a nation-wide 5th generation wireless technology for free internet for all. It'll likely be restricted to just 80/8080 traffic, be throttled, and of course governed and monitored by the government. Since it's completely voluntary to use this network, it breaks no laws since by using it, you will grant them permission to snoop if they so choose.

Call me crazy, but I think it's inevitable...likely to go down 10-15 years from now.

Just one man's opinion though, that's all.

3 points by iwwr 23 hours ago 1 reply      
The inter-networks are too important to be governed by anyone, be they governments or companies. Government implies coercion and regulations, regardless of where it comes from.

Not that the regulators won't try, they will be adamant about their "right" to "bring order" over apparent chaos.

2 points by locopati 1 day ago 1 reply      
Already posted using a direct link to ISOC story
3 points by vdm 23 hours ago 1 reply      
"bottoms-up" is mentioned twice. Spellchecker?
1 point by andre 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Neither are big corporations, like Google.
Yahoo Says Delicious For Sale, Blames Press for Confusion wired.com
41 points by Mithrandir 13 hours ago   13 comments top 7
25 points by acangiano 13 hours ago 2 replies      
The way they handled the leak was idiotic and short sighted. They should blame themselves, not the press.

Their first reply should have clarified that Delicious was not going to be shut down. Furthermore, they should have clearly stated that other prominent properties (like Flickr) were safe and weren't going to be shut down either.

Their initial response ("[we] plan to shut down some products in the coming months") was self-inflicted FUD, which basically stated that they were going to shut down whatever they saw fit. Not the best way to instill confidence in your products.

I suspect they panicked, saw the huge backlash from the community, and quickly came up with the plan of selling delicious and claiming that they were misunderstood from the get go.

26 points by candeira 12 hours ago 0 replies      
If Yahoo were really planning to sell Delicious all along, why would they sack everyone?
4 points by omouse 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Whoever here wants to start an alternative to TechCrunch that doesn't dengenerate into crap, say aye. Hell, even a well-researched blog would kill techcrunch, mashable and all those shameless corporate/startup whores who pose as journalist.

Although...Yahoo should have came out and dispelled the rumours as soon as they circulated or released their own press release as soon as the presentation was finished.

I think both parties here are to blame; journalists (or supposed journalistst) should hold themselves to a higher standard and actually investigate instead of merely reporting rumours, and corporations should make sure they control their marketing/media message.

2 points by andrewljohnson 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Bah, this story is as bad as the TC article.

Just more blog spam with no added insight. You can get everything you need from the blogpost, and the HN comments.

6 points by meadhikari 12 hours ago 0 replies      
Its all he said.
1 point by Kilimanjaro 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Carol Bartz should step down as CEO, she doesn't have the balls to run a company like yahoo. She was appointed to bring yahoo down and is doing a great job at that.
2 points by alexqgb 10 hours ago 0 replies      
There's spin, and then there's spinning out of control while the last of your credibility evaporates forever.
Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us techcrunch.com
477 points by jmorin007 1 day ago   291 comments top 70
50 points by seldo 1 day ago replies      
The writing has been on the wall for delicious for years. They never made any money, never found mainstream adoption, never made use of the enormous flow of user sharing data they were getting to do anything interesting. They have been operating on a skeleton crew for years. Such a shame.
72 points by petercooper 1 day ago 3 replies      
Please, Yahoo, distribute the final public-facing database for free. There are millions of links organized in there and it's an incredibly useful repository. If that data is lost, we just lost thousands of man years of tagging the Web.
88 points by Ixiaus 1 day ago 7 replies      

  curl https://{your username}:{your password}@api.del.icio.us/v1/posts/all > bookmarks.xml

20 points by Jun8 1 day ago 4 replies      
Noooo! I love delicious and am using it daily, it's one of the reasons I don't completely switch to Chrome (since the plugin is not as good as the Firefox one). OK, time to dire off the API and suck off all the bookmarks.

Where should I put all my bookmarks? What other bookmark service has a nice browser plugin, APIs, etc?

After this I'm also convinced that Yahoo is hopeless.

17 points by ig1 1 day ago 1 reply      
It seems a bit crazy that they're shutting down services like delicious and especially Uproar (which is actually in a growth market!).

I'd be shocked if there aren't other tech companies interested in buying the tech, the userbase and the employees (who've just be made redundant presumably at some expense).

What's the justification to shareholders to shutting down as opposed to selling ?

53 points by pavs 1 day ago 3 replies      
Ideas and startup goes to Yahoo to die.
181 points by joshu 1 day ago 6 replies      
41 points by idlewords 1 day ago 3 replies      
It's been a busy day over here.
7 points by kloncks 1 day ago 2 replies      
Any idea on how much money Yahoo's actually losing by just running Delicious?

Side note: I've always wondered why Yahoo hasn't tapped into the vast amount of good data that is Delicious to supplement and improve their search engine? Talk about having access to a firehose.

Side side note: Seriously, what company does layoffs a week before Christmas!?

33 points by nostromo 1 day ago 3 replies      
Time to back up those flickr photos.
20 points by kqr2 1 day ago replies      
Where's the best place to migrate all of your Del.icio.us bookmarks?
8 points by lotusleaf1987 1 day ago 0 replies      
AllthingsD is confirming that Del.icio.us will be shut down: http://networkeffect.allthingsd.com/20101216/following-layof...
5 points by DevX101 1 day ago 2 replies      
Open question: How could Yahoo have monetized delicious?

I'll start: Use the browser plugin to deliver highly targeted but low profile ads to users. The targeting would be based on the longitudinal interest data they have for millions of users, many of whom have been tagging their interests for months or years. For active users, I think this data is better than facebook targeting info.

18 points by gms 1 day ago 5 replies      
Delicious is a black hole for me. I have 95 bookmarks, and once something is bookmarked with it, I never visit it later. Is this unique to me?
8 points by umjames 1 day ago 1 reply      
Well there goes months' (nights & weekends) worth of iOS side project work down the drain. I have a very large delicious bookmark collection that I was still posting to as of this week.

Does anyone know if delicious' demise affects pinboard's API service in any way? Since pinboard's API documentation just links to delicious, now would be a good time to archive the delicious API documentation.

6 points by lkrubner 1 day ago 3 replies      
Damn, I wish I had the money to make Yahoo an offer. I worked on a service in 2005 that was suppose to compete with del.icio.us, but our service never got off the ground. I've always admired the basic idea of del.icio.us, and I think there are a million interesting things that could be done with that site. Surely if Yahoo is shutting it down, they'd also be willing to sell it cheap? I wonder how cheap?
5 points by djacobs 1 day ago 2 replies      
One reason I don't sign up with every new startup that comes along--even if they're innovative and helpful and better than the competition--is that I don't want to invest time in something that could fail. And every time I see a web service fail, even if it was no longer a startup, I lose hope that good services can last. Seeing this, for example, I'm not likely to put stock in an online bookmarking startup any time soon.

It seems to me like this is one way that the failure of large companies can lead to the failure of unrelated startups. And it sucks.

6 points by kirubakaran 1 day ago 1 reply      
Automatically backup your Delicious bookmarks here : http://www.favbot.com/import-delicious.html

OAuth import will be up soon.

15 points by zoomzoom 1 day ago 0 replies      
Who makes a decision like this? The only reason I have a Yahoo account is for delicious.
8 points by colbyolson 1 day ago 0 replies      
It will be sad to see Delicious go, if it indeed does.

I would also like to point out http://pinboard.in/howto/#import

5 points by philfreo 1 day ago 1 reply      
This is really annoying... I have over 3000 bookmarks on del.icio.us all nicely tagged, nice browser plugins, use it every day, etc. Definitely hoping to find an alternative that isn't a step backwards...
3 points by iamwil 1 day ago 1 reply      
I wonder if it'd even be possible to donate it to some foundation that preserves influential websites.

It'd be a pity to leave delicious and just trash it, instead of archiving it somewhere.

6 points by phillian 1 day ago 0 replies      
Regardless of whether or not Del.icio.us is being shut down, Blake Irving's reaction to his screencast being "leaked" was completely uncalled for:


"@bpm140 @joshu Really dude? Can't wait to find out how you got the web cast. Whoever it is, gone!"

3 points by shrikant 1 day ago 0 replies      
More money for Maciej. More features for Pinboard. More happiness for us early birds who got in at a sub $2 price :
4 points by wslh 1 day ago 0 replies      
Welcome to the Cloud!

Seriously, companies must take responsibility for the data. It's important to note that delicious also has private bookmarks so it's not possible to just backup the repository and distribute it.

In my opinion the best way to solve this is to set up an auction for the "delicious asset".

9 points by Keyframe 1 day ago 0 replies      
Google, buy del.icio.us from yahoo, please!
2 points by blahedo 1 day ago 2 replies      
Also hiding in there: Altavista. Now there is a venerable piece of web real estate"fifteen years ago it was the place to go for web search. I didn't even know it was still around....
3 points by Dramatize 1 day ago 0 replies      
I've gone to use Delicious several times but stopped short at the login screen.

There's no way I'm going to use a service when I have to create a Yahoo account.

Same goes with Flickr.

10 points by Complete 1 day ago 1 reply      
Why do big companies shut down websites instead of selling them?
1 point by jamesbritt 1 day ago 1 reply      
What's funny is that Delicious had changed their UI (again) recently, making it harder to save bookmarks with appropriate tags. It's as if the developers or managers don't actually use it themselves, or have no idea how large numbers of people are using it.

So I've been looking around for an alternative. I've been using Diigo, though the UI (at least for the bookmarklet) is not all that much better.

The comments here about Pinboard, though, motivated me to go sign up. I figure, better now than later after the exodus drives the cost up. :)

5 points by jmboling 1 day ago 0 replies      
delicious should have marketed itself to the mainstream as a search engine with a 100% human curated database
2 points by dbingham 1 day ago 0 replies      
What are the chances we can talk Google into buying it? I just started using it and it's beyond amazingly useful!

I don't want to lose the ability to save bookmarks this way.

Is there anything out there on the web that duplicates the functionality?

0 points by mmaunder 1 day ago 0 replies      
On the one hand it's sad to see technology that many people were (and are) passionate about get axed like this. But on the other hand it frees up space for innovators to come in and implement even better versions of products that have proven traction.

Shameless plug: I run http://feedjit.com/ and our core product is very similar to mybloglog, so while it's sad to see what Scott and his team built get cut like this, it opens up opportunity for us and we are very passionate about the space.

4 points by fs111 1 day ago 0 replies      
In case you use the firefox extension, you already have a full copy of your bookmarks in the ybookmarks.sqlite file in your firefox profile.
2 points by theklub 21 hours ago 0 replies      
How did this website not make enough off of ad revenue? You know exactly what the users are looking for..
1 point by jgilliam 1 day ago 1 reply      
There is a Twitter petition to Yahoo getting a lot of action: http://act.ly/2ul
2 points by camiller 1 day ago 0 replies      
I have to admit, since I started using Xmarks I pretty much stopped using del.icio.us. My last addition to del.icio.us was July of 2008.
1 point by sireat 1 day ago 0 replies      
Very sad news. At least, delicious has the export option.

For someone with almost 9000 bookmarks it came out to 1.7MB .html file. (and yes, tags are in the source)

I wasn't using Delicious to full extent, as my needs were simple, just cross browser, cross platform, cross machine bookmark service.

Will have to check out Pinboard, Historious and other alternatives mentioned in this thread.

2 points by fleitz 1 day ago 0 replies      
They should just put their logo into the sunset column and be done with it. Yang pooched the only hope they had of returning their shareholders money.
3 points by to 1 day ago 2 replies      
is there any contact for interested buyers?

sent e-mail to delicious and yahoo - if anyone knows a quicker contact let me know! THANKS!

2 points by kadavy 1 day ago 1 reply      
It seems silly that they would just shut it down. Have they even tried to monetize it? I would pay ($50 a year) to continue to use Delicious. Maybe they can sell it?
1 point by famblycat 1 day ago 0 replies      
I'm looking to move my bookmarks somewhere else. But frankly this has really soured me on trusting anyone with them. I want them to be 'in the cloud' so I can access them from everywhere, but also under my control. Does anyone know if there are any apps available out there which I can install on my own hosting and can serve as a bookmark manager?

I already have a personal wiki for my notes and lists, but I'm looking for something a bit more specialized for bookmarks. I like the concept of tagging my bookmarks, which a wiki doesn't offer.

1 point by ronnier 1 day ago 1 reply      
I have a been working on a replacement http://toadjaw.com but haven't opened it up to the public. It allows importing from delicious.com. Anybody interested in using it?
2 points by tocomment 1 day ago 6 replies      
Anyone want to do a weekend hackathon with me and build a replacement? We could probably capitalize on delocios shutting down to get some traction.
1 point by proee 1 day ago 0 replies      
Why can't they sell it? I'm assuming there is a buy with the amount of traffic and user-base? I don't understand why they would shut it down.
2 points by epo 21 hours ago 0 replies      
And here is the US government's answer to wikileaks. Get Yahoo! to acquire them, they'd be marginalised and then shut down in months.
2 points by davidw 1 day ago 0 replies      
Well shit... I use that data for langpop.com :-/
1 point by Tichy 1 day ago 1 reply      
Dumb question, but couldn't they try to sell it again? Is that never an option, once a startup has been bought?

I realize they probably have added some Yahoo specific stuff, like single sign on, so disentangling it might be too costly?

2 points by bhudman 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is sad. I use delicious daily, and I actually use it as a search engine - The ones that are most bookmarked is usually what I am looking for.

Another advantage is that I can share links form multiple machines.

I am avoiding chrome until they have something like noscript plugin (which will likely not happen) in firefox

3 points by coverband 1 day ago 1 reply      
I am a heavy del.icio.us user today. What alternative bookmarking site should I switch to that supports tagging?
1 point by jamesbritt 1 day ago 0 replies      
Looks like Pinboard has gotten popular.

"Due to massive traffic today, imports may take a while to complete. Sorry for the delay!"

2 points by Tichy 1 day ago 1 reply      
What bookmarking service, if any, is everybody using these days?
1 point by mark_l_watson 1 day ago 0 replies      
I just exported my bookmarks with tags. Inconvenient, but not too bib of a deal. The worse thing is that I used to share my bookmarks with other people - have to work out another way to do that now.
1 point by u48998 1 day ago 0 replies      
Is there a way to use Dropbox to keep/run bookmarks from cloud? I am assuming with the latest version, I should be able to selectively backup Firefox bookmarks. I would then only be missing RSS feed (if only people would come up with the way to provide local RSS ability to average users).
2 points by binaryfinery 1 day ago 0 replies      
The only yahoo service I use. And daily. Wo.
1 point by DanielRibeiro 1 day ago 1 reply      
Diigo, Stubmleupon, Xmarks. Many alternatives. Are they any good when it comes to tagging and browser integration?
1 point by elrodeo 1 day ago 1 reply      
First Google Wave, now Delicious. I was using both of them. That Delicious will probably shutdown is bad enough. But WHAT IS WITH ALL OF MY CAREFULLY TAGGED BOOKMARKS? Even if I can export them somehow, what I'm gonna do with them?

Now that's exactly why I am -- and always was -- against webapps and my data being in a cloud.

3 points by revorad 1 day ago 2 replies      
StavrosK, jump on this!
2 points by joe_the_user 1 day ago 0 replies      
Is there a reason they can't sell it?
1 point by JamesNK 1 day ago 0 replies      
Time to move my bookmarks from Delicious.

Google Bookmarks looks like a possibility. I don't care that it doesn't have the social thing and I want something with good browser integration.

Does anyone have an working instructions for migrating to Google Bookmarks? Most sites refer to this page which appears to be broken - http://persistent.info/delicious2google/

1 point by atlei 1 day ago 0 replies      
So I guess they don't make enough money on it, then ?

I wish the general attitude would change to "I'm willing to pay for services that I find useful" instead of "Everything should be free !!!!"...

1 point by dopkew 1 day ago 0 replies      
Some alternate bookmarking services...

Google Bookmarks, Pinboard, Historious, Diigo, Netvouz, Favbot, Favilous, Licorize, Wonderpage, Wheatt, Wajam, Markr, Xmarks.

Please add others which I may have missed...

1 point by awa 1 day ago 0 replies      
Question: I know how can i get a html file for all the links. Can I get a text file with just the list of urls
3 points by yesimnathan 1 day ago 1 reply      
I guess I'll have no more use for my yahoo ID.
2 points by ra 1 day ago 0 replies      
I would pay $5 a month for delicious
1 point by ffffruit 1 day ago 0 replies      
I don't get it - Yahoo is shutting down a service where humans are obsessively tagging a shitload of handpicked URL from the abyss that is the internet these days and they cannot figure out a way to keep this alive?

Am I missing something here?

1 point by meattle 1 day ago 0 replies      
If you're looking for a Delicious alternative, then also worth checking out is:


(a list of over 50 bookmarking services)

2 points by 1336 1 day ago 1 reply      
Interesting choice of words: "sunset" instead of, say, "shut down". It's clearly a weasel word, and using a noun as a verb makes it all the more jarring.

Say what you mean, Yahoo.

1 point by unicornporn 1 day ago 0 replies      
I just exported my bookmarks from Delicious. The resulting html file was 5.5 MB. I guess that tells how much I've actually used Delicious. Sad to see it go...
1 point by yogsototh 1 day ago 0 replies      
The day Yahoo bought delicious I immediately switched to Magnolia first and now I use diigo and I am _really_ happy with it for a long time now.
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