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Steve Jobs has passed away. apple.com
4261 points by patricktomas  6 days ago   363 comments top 199
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tc 6 days ago 7 replies      
What Apple is going to be missing without Steve Jobs isn't creative talent or even someone capable of saying 'no.'

It's going to be missing someone who has the absolute credibility to say it.

Anyone can be a tyrant. If Steve Jobs was a dictator, it was because people thought he had the right to be.

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donohoe 6 days ago 11 replies      
"Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything " all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart."

June 12th 2005 Stanford commencement speech

Text: http://news.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/jobs-061505.html

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc

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chaosmachine 6 days ago 6 replies      
If you watched the iPhone keynote yesterday, you may have noticed this:

http://i.imgur.com/BsIoS.png

This shot was shown for about 5 seconds right at the beginning of the recording. Front row, center. Reserved. Empty.

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pitdesi 6 days ago 3 replies      
I'm surprised at how sad (devastated?) this news makes me. I use Apple products now, but I am not at all a fanboy of the company and for many years defended the other side. I really hate the proprietary nature of many of their products and only use them if there is nothing else equivalent in the "open" world. That I own a few Apple products speaks volumes in itself.

But Steve has been an inspiration for the past decade or so. Brilliant, passionate, energetic, and visionary in a way that no one else can ever be.

I don't believe any company in history has had the 10 year record of Apple in the 00's. He's a genius in technology and business... but you can't study him like any other company. Case studies on Apple don't work. Because other companies don't have Steve.

Sidenote: You know he had a profound impact when the news of his departure slows down HN this much. R.I.P.

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edw519 6 days ago 2 replies      
"I want to put a ding in the universe."

Perhaps his biggest ding was inspiring so many of us to pursue our own dings.

R.I.P.

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mixmax 6 days ago 1 reply      
Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
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JunkDNA 6 days ago 0 replies      
I had a feeling this was right around the corner the moment I saw his presentation to the Cupertino planning committee. My dad died of pancreatic cancer 10 years ago at the age of 46. In the month or so leading up to the end, as his liver started to fail, his voice changed and at times seemed almost "thick". When I heard Steve start to speak, it immediately made me think of my dad.

My heart goes out to his family and friends. Steve was a childhood hero of mine as far back as I can remember. The world was a much better place with him in it.

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dustingetz 6 days ago 0 replies      
Jobs imagines his garbage regularly not being emptied in his office, and when he asks the janitor why, he gets an excuse: The locks have been changed, and the janitor doesn't have a key. This is an acceptable excuse coming from someone who empties trash bins for a living. The janitor gets to explain why something went wrong. Senior people do not. “When you're the janitor,” Jobs has repeatedly told incoming VPs, “reasons matter.” He continues: “Somewhere between the janitor and the CEO, reasons stop mattering.” That “Rubicon,” he has said, “is crossed when you become a VP.

-- Jobs (via secondary source [1])

[1] http://www.macstories.net/news/inside-apple-reveals-steve-jo...

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kristofferR 6 days ago  replies      
"No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma " which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."

- Steve Jobs

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ilamont 6 days ago 1 reply      
"Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn't matter to me ... Going to bed at night, saying we've done something wonderful... that's what matters to me."

- Inscription on Steve Jobs' star at the Entrepreneur Walk of Fame in Cambridge, Mass., unveiled on 9/16/2011: http://instagr.am/p/NPa4o/

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donw 6 days ago 1 reply      
I didn't think I'd be this emotional about Jobs, but as I sit here in my apartment in Tokyo, surrounded by Apple products, I'm reminded at the impact he's had on my life.

On our lives. How many people on HN own iPhones and MacBooks?

There's no more fitting tribute to the man than to throw some Beatles up on iTunes and create something wonderful.

Gentlemen, let's make a dent in the universe.

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cek 6 days ago 2 replies      
When I was 10 I visited my uncle's factory in Michigan. He sat me down in front of an Apple II and fired up a video game. As I played Castle, I noticed the manual for the Applesoft programming language sitting next to the computer. I cracked it open and realized I could break into the monitor and see the source code.

I did just that, modifying the game to the point it was no longer playable. I had saved the file and effectively broke it. I shut off the computer, and never told my uncle.

The excitement of that moment stuck with me and was the enabler of the amazing life I've had since.

Thank you Steve Jobs. RIP.

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100k 6 days ago 0 replies      
My dad also died of pancreatic cancer that spread to his liver (he was 55). Tough disease. Steve died before his time, but in many ways he beat the odds. Five year survivorship rate for pancreatic cancer is around 5%.

His vision will be missed. He left an indelible mark on a generation of technology users, and then did it again.

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cedsav 6 days ago 2 replies      
Cancer sucks.

If you care to learn more about the disease and the search for a cure, check out "The Emperor of All Maladies: A Biography of Cancer" by Siddhartha Mukherjee. Fascinating, scary and sobering.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004Q66B5C

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marcamillion 6 days ago 2 replies      
Walter Isascson had better be prepared for the amount of books he is about to sell - http://www.amazon.com/Steve-Jobs-Walter-Isaacson/dp/14516485...

A more 'perfect' PR stunt, the official autobiographer of Steve Jobs couldn't ask for...before you start downvoting me for a seemingly insensitive comment, I don't mean that is perfect that he died. Absolutely not.

I am dealing with the loss just like any other tech-loving fan-boi.

Just pointing out that it the PR storm generated around this book as a result of his passing, will be nothing like he could have ever paid for....i.e. it is 'perfect' (from a selling the books perspective).

Perfectly sad...otherwise.

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gfodor 6 days ago 0 replies      
Silicon Valley is about to go into mourning. I am having a hard time getting back to work. We've been getting more rain in the south bay the last 3 days than we have all summer, it feels oddly right now.

I think Paul Graham's post earlier today had something for us to remember as we work through this great, deep loss:

"I flew into the Bay Area a few days ago. I notice this every time I fly over the Valley: somehow you can sense something is going on. Obviously you can sense prosperity in how well kept a place looks. But there are different kinds of prosperity. Silicon Valley doesn't look like Boston, or New York, or LA, or DC. I tried asking myself what word I'd use to describe the feeling the Valley radiated, and the word that came to mind was optimism."

Here's to Steve, and his relentless optimism. Here's to the next big idea and the next person who changes the world like he did.

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MatthewB 6 days ago 0 replies      
I (along with countless other people) lost a hero today.

Steve Jobs was the person who inspired me to join the tech industry. I first really knew who Steve Jobs was after watching the (not so bad) made-for-tv movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley." I always knew I wanted to work with technology but after seeing that movie I knew I wanted to be part of the Silicon Valley culture that Steve helped create. Steve has inspired me for years and I am extremely sad about this loss. We will all miss him dearly.

RIP Steve Jobs 

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chetan51 6 days ago 0 replies      
Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do. - Apple Inc.
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protomyth 6 days ago 0 replies      
In the early 90's I was pretty sure I didn't want be a programmer anymore. I really got no joy from Windows and the Macintosh was looking like it was dead. I got ahold of NeXTSTEP 3.3 and was hooked. I remember the joy stuff like the Apple II and the Atari 400 brought me. It was just amazing. It is such a shame to know Steve Jobs, Seymour Cray, and Jay Miner are no longer with us. I should be happy to have been alive for the start of it all though.
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pixelcloud 6 days ago 1 reply      
Just remember this.

"You know, I've got a plan that could rescue Apple. I can't say any more than that it's the perfect product and the perfect strategy for Apple. But nobody there will listen to me."
-- Steve Jobs, Sept. 18, 1995

"If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it's worth -- and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago."
-- Steve Jobs, Feb. 19, 1996

The best ideas are the ones you have to force on people.

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achompas 5 days ago 0 replies      
I wanted to post this great anecdote from Metafilter:

Here's a short tale of mine when I worked at Apple:

One sunny autumn day, Steve (he was always Steve) was walking across Apple's campus with a reporter toward Caffe Macs. I was walking a few feet behind, enough to hear the reporter asking about Steve's family. As we approached the entrance, Steve stopped and opened the door for an employee carrying trays of food outside. The employee never looked up but said "Thanks." "Sure," Steve replied. Just then, at least two dozen people followed the employee out. Because of where the reporter was standing, none of the employees (as far as I could tell) noticed who was holding the door for them. Steve continued holding that door, talking to the reporter, until I came up and offered to take his place as doorman. "Thanks," he said. "Sure," I replied. He smiled and invited the reporter inside.

That's it.

Whatever else you may read about Steve, whatever else happens in his life or to Apple or to the world of computing, know that he opened doors for people.

R.I.P. Steve. We're all better off thanks to your time on the planet.

(credit to kawika, link below)

http://www.metafilter.com/108093/Steve-Jobs-RIP#3958050

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orky56 6 days ago 0 replies      
He poured his life and soul into Apple. When his health suffered, he fought tooth and nail and stayed involved with Apple until the very end. When he left Apple (feels like just yesterday), he said it was because he truly felt he was unable to continue to lead.

I'm left with a feeling of ambivalence. I feel bad that he couldn't enjoy the fruits of his labor by retiring and spending time with his family or whatever other interests he had. At the same time, I know that he wouldn't have had it any other way.

He recognized his gift and shared it with all of us. The experiences when using his products and the emotions when hearing him speak. I feel blessed just to have been a witness to such a human's life.

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nhangen 6 days ago 1 reply      
Wow, this makes me really effing sad. What's worse is no one in my family understands, so it's like going into mourning solo. Bummer...

RIP Steve

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gokhan 6 days ago 0 replies      
He was 56 years old, too young to die :(
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scarmig 6 days ago 1 reply      
One has to wonder what he might have accomplished with a full life span.

What he managed to do, though, is genuinely incredible, and he has much to be proud of. He made the world more beautiful.

RIP, Steve.

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andrewl 6 days ago 0 replies      
He gave me a bicycle for my mind. That's a powerful gift, and I'm grateful.
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cilantro 6 days ago 5 replies      
My first computer was a Macintosh Plus at age ~5. Not sure what I would be doing with my life without his contribution.
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rufugee 6 days ago 1 reply      
I'd be lying if I said I was a big Apple fan. I'm a Linux guy and never saw a need or benefit to pay the premium required for entry through the Apple gates (well, ok, I bought a Macbook for iPhone development, but I didn't enjoy it).

That said, Steve was a great force in the world of technology, and whether you liked their products or not, you have to appreciate Apple's effect on competition in the marketplace...they simply continue to push the envelope, and technology wouldn't be what it is today with Steve and his creations. RIP.

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aresant 6 days ago 1 reply      
Even the .png name on Apple's site is appropriate:

http://images.apple.com/home/images/t_hero.png

Here's to you Steve, thank you for the inspiration over my lifetime.

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ojbyrne 5 days ago 1 reply      
Someone I knew said a while back "No tech company has ever come back from decline." I immediately thought of (what I feel is now the canonical counterexample) Apple. So many tech companies, and CEOs who have never been acquainted with failure, and have arrogance that's mostly a result of being in the right place and the right time.

And one who was fired, watched his company driven right to the precipice, and brought it back.

The arc of a hero.

August 6, 1997. Greatness doesn't happen at the top but at the bottom:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-202143.html

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diogenescynic 6 days ago 0 replies      
He made the world a better place and he was our generation's Walt Disney, Howard Hughes, Thomas Edison, Jack Welch, and Henry Ford all at once. Revolutionized multiple industries.

He will be sorely missed.

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abstractwater 6 days ago 0 replies      
I am truly surprised at how sad I am. Even if I disagreed on some of the decisions made by Apple (App Store review process, etc) he was to me the most inspirational man alive. What a devastating loss.

A part of me can't help to think that Apple is now just a "normal" company. But I hope his charisma and vision will stick and be strong enough to live on for many more decades in Cupertino.

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Jun8 6 days ago 0 replies      
Ahh, I just posted a comment about missing Steve after seeing the photos of the other guys announcing various stuff. I have never met him, or even saw him in person, but probably wouldn't have liked him personally; he was despotic and narcissistic. And people still debate various heavy-handed ways Apple deals with a lot aspects of their ecosystem.

Despite all this, sitting in my living room, I am totally devastated by these news! This is true greatness.

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spudlyo 6 days ago 0 replies      
I'm deeply and unexpectedly saddened by the news. Recently while taking a cab from SFO into the city I monitored our progress on the iPhone maps app, and had a profound feeling that I was living in the future I had dreamed about as a kid. Thank you Steve.
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PedroCandeias 6 days ago 0 replies      
Just adding my voice to the millions who will be mourning the man and the visionary. As someone who works with computers for a living, I'm thankful for the beautiful tools his company created. As an entrepreneur, I'm intrigued and moved by his example.
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juliano_q 6 days ago 0 replies      
I am not the biggest Apple fan. I love my macbook and I have a very old iPod, but in the last few years I misliked the company attitude. Even so, suddenly I feel that the world is a worst place to live. RIP Steve.
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juliano_q 5 days ago 2 replies      
Every single link at HN frontpage is about Jobs passage atm. It may looks obvious, but look at the importance of the guy between hackers. RIP.
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ltamake 5 days ago 1 reply      
I just realised something. Steve won't ever see the new Apple building in Cupertino (the "spaceship" one). :'(
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geuis 6 days ago 0 replies      
This wasn't the "One more thing..." that I wanted.
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steve19 5 days ago 1 reply      
I am sad. Sad for Steve, sad for Steve's family, sad for how he could have changed the world if he lived another 50 years and also sad, selfishly maybe, that I will never have the opportunity to meet him.

RIP Steve, you inspired us and we loved you for it.

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xelipe 6 days ago 0 replies      
What amazes me most about his life is that he revolutionized on so many fronts and his innovations have helped people of all walks of life. Pixar movies have entertained children of all ages, the iPhone market has been a great resource for educational tools to help children with disabilities, and he did so with style. (;_;)
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RegEx 6 days ago 2 replies      
A very respectable tribute, right down to the img src.

http://images.apple.com/home/images/t_hero.png

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Duff 6 days ago 0 replies      
Mr. Jobs will be well remembered. It's also sad in that his passing is among the first of a generation of pioneers in this crazy industry we all work in.

Best wishes to his family.

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quizbiz 6 days ago 0 replies      
As General Electric innovates well beyond Thomas Edison, I look forward to watching Apple continue to push society forward. Steve Jobs will in some ways live on through the Apple brand, as a symbol for so many things that resonate so strongly, I can't even express it.
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dabent 6 days ago 0 replies      
From playing on an Apple][ on middle school to typing this on a Mac - Steve Jobs certainly influenced me as a developer. So many times the world seemed to chase the designs he pioneered or pushed into the mainstream. Without his leadership and his effective counterweight to Microsoft and IBM, the world would have been much different.
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artursapek 6 days ago 1 reply      
Is the black bar that just appeared at the top of HN a symbol for Steve's passing?
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amorphid 6 days ago 0 replies      
I was a PC guy for 26 years, making fun of Apples/Macs for most of that time. Eventually Macs became so awesome that I couldn't help but love them. Jobs was able to convert me, and that wasn't an easy thing to do.
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InclinedPlane 6 days ago 0 replies      
Not a perfect man (who, even among the great, is?), but in his own way he did his fair share for the betterment of mankind. He helped people connect with each other, he helped people do their jobs, he helped people make art. We should all be so lucky.
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puredemo 6 days ago 0 replies      
My first computer was an Apple IIE. My favorite computer is the one I'm on now, a 13" Macbook Air.

RIP Steve, thank you.

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natemartin 6 days ago 0 replies      
The news is hitting me harder than I expected. More than just the products he made, I feel that he directly effected my life. I wouldn't be where I am in my life today, certainly would have the job I have today, if it wasn't for the years I spent at Apple. And I wouldn't have worked there if Steve hadn't first created the company, then later on saved it.

RIP SJ. You certainly changed the world.

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pixelcloud 6 days ago 1 reply      
"If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it's worth -- and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago."
--Steve Jobs - Fortune, Feb. 19, 1996
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jianshen 6 days ago 0 replies      
This makes me really really sad deep inside. What an incredible journey.
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Folcon 6 days ago 0 replies      
I am not an Apple fan, I say that because I own no iPad, iPhone, iPod or iMac.

As someone who is starting and striving to build beautiful software and become an entrepreneur, Jobs is an inspiration.

He has done more than few could hope to achieve.

I feel saying anything else will just sound corny, which is not what he deserves.

So RIP Steve.

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sharmajai 5 days ago 0 replies      
I have never met Steve Jobs in person, yet I am deeply saddened by this news, this does not happen very often.

Thank you Steve for being an inspiration in our lives and making the world a better place. You will be missed forever. Rest in peace.

My condoloences to your family.

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larrys 5 days ago 0 replies      
Having written my first (if you want to call it that) program
on a ASR-33 Teletype and remembering back when computers were not only
expensive but certainly not mainstream (and not cool to the
masses anyway) it's amazing what Jobs and Apple were able to do in
the last decade. Who would ever think that this "thing" that
some of us had so much fun with back then would be so accepted
and talked about by everyone today. That there would be so much adulation for someone, actually anyone, in this industry? If you're not old enough to remember the way it was back many years ago we're really living in a special time right now. And Steve is certainly the reason for
much of that.
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sabat 6 days ago 0 replies      
I keep waiting to hear from Woz. I think we in the Nerd World need to hear from Woz tonight.
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Udo 5 days ago 0 replies      
In the face of all that he has achieved in his short life, the thing that saddens me most is he won't get to see all the cool technologies and gizmos we'll have in the future. He laid the ground work for a large part of this future, it's so sad that he won't be there to witness (or shape) it.
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dlss 6 days ago 0 replies      
they took our jobs :(
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mwill 6 days ago 1 reply      
He stood down from Apple less than 2 months ago, I wonder if he had any idea how close he was cutting it.

No matter how you slice it, the man loved what he did, and he did it brilliantly. The amount of people who use a device designed under his watch every single day of their lives is utterly astounding, through his work, he connected with hundreds of millions of people, and changed the game of consumer electronics numerous times.

I hope I can have a even a small sliver of his passion, commitment, and vision in my own life.

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scelerat 6 days ago 0 replies      
Yay Steve Jobs for making a dent in the universe. Inspiring.
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mantas 6 days ago 0 replies      
Steve Jobs was my idol since I knew who he is and what Apple is. He showed me it's possible to live one's dream and that it's ok to follow your heart. And that it's the only way to be happy and bring happiness to others. Furthermore, his products showed me that it's possible to create easy to use and beautiful software.

And that's what I ended up trying to do.. Thank you Steve and rest in peace.

I'll do my best to stay hungry, stay foolish.

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mitultiwari 6 days ago 0 replies      
“Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn't matter to me … Going to bed at night saying we've done something wonderful… that's what matters to me.” -- Steve Jobs. RIP.
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steve8918 6 days ago 0 replies      
The first computer I saw on a regular basis was my friend's AppleII clone that his dad built somehow. I distinctly remember the case was made out of wood. The kid was a jerk though, because he would play Wizardry, and would only let me sit beside him and watch, he would never let me play at all. Wizardry, Knight of Diamonds and Karateka were the games that I most distinctly remember.
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lewispb 6 days ago 0 replies      
“We don't get a chance to do that many things, and every one should be really excellent. Because this is our life." - Steve Jobs.
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sneak 6 days ago 0 replies      
:(

I haven't the words.

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revorad 5 days ago 0 replies      
I just posted this on my blog, thought I'll share here -

The most important lesson from Steve Jobs

Don't be afraid to be wrong.

It is sad that the first time I write about Steve Jobs is when he's passed away.

I've never owned an Apple product. So, my love and respect for Steve is entirely based on the way he lived his life.

I've always believed that one must do exactly what one loves. Life's too short to waste doing other stuff. What for, anyway? Money? Power? They pale in comparison to the electric feeling of creating something new, something you dreamed up.

Let people tell you you're crazy. You will probably fail. That's ok.

Steve failed a lot. But, what kept him going?

He wasn't afraid to be wrong.

Don't be afraid to be wrong. Make that dent.

http://giniji.com/hrishi/stevejobs.html

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ericd 6 days ago 0 replies      
My dad buying a Mac 128k and letting me run wild with it was probably one of the most influential events in my life. It taught me to read, it taught me math, and it kicked off a lifelong passion for computers and programming. It's amazing to me that they designed a computer that I didn't even have to know how to read to interact with. I can't believe I'm getting so emotional about a person I've never met, but I'm almost tearing up.
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earplug 19 hours ago 0 replies      
I find it sad to think that I cannot email sjobs@apple.com and hope for a reply any longer. What a strength he pushed onto this company...
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Symmetry 5 days ago 0 replies      
Some people have muses that subtly guide them their entire life. Other people have furious muses that seize them by the scruff of the neck and demand their full attention until a work is completed through spasmodic effort.

Steve Jobs seemed to have been possessed by the second type of muse, but one that never let go but just kept driving him. Even if some of use used few Apple products, Steve had a vision and always kept demonstrating that more was possible, that things could be better than they had been.

He'll be missed.

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rads 6 days ago 0 replies      
I think I was twelve or thirteen when my parents bought me my own Mac. I didn't know this then, but, besides my parents and close friends, Steve Jobs was one of my most important role models. He made Apple unstoppable, but even during the hard times he had a dead set focus on making products people would really love, even if many others didn't like them. He was so passionate about his job; he loved it so much that it inspires me that one day I can start a business and have a job that I love, making things that other people love. RIP Steve.
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tsycho 6 days ago 0 replies      
I don't know what to say. Even if this was expected at some point, I feel really sad.....wish there were more people around me whom I could share this with....but no one seems to care as much.
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Create 3 days ago 0 replies      
Report of Hongkong-based NGO SACOM about working conditions at the world's leading electronics manufacturer, 2011_09_24:

http://www.ppp.ch/fileadmin/francais/Politique_developpement...

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jfb 5 days ago 0 replies      
I never really met him (thanked him once in person for the shuttle service), but I'm glad that he got an extraordinary second chance -- by all accounts, he wasted not a second of it. My God rest his immortal soul.
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josephcooney 6 days ago 0 replies      
Even if you're not a fan, you can't deny that Steve (through apple) raised the state of the art in industrial and visual design, and user experience with apple products. Your nice Android phone, the books you can buy seamlessly on your kindle and the slick new UI of Windows 8 all owe a small part of their awesomeness to Steve Jobs.
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navs 5 days ago 0 replies      
One of my dreams was to demo a product in front of Steve Jobs and receive his approval. That'll never be but the mere fact that a man can make me strive for success without ever having met him is a testament to his influence.
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biot 6 days ago 0 replies      
Fuck cancer for taking a great visionary from us.
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jason_tko 4 days ago 0 replies      
Even the next day, I'm still having trouble coming to grips with this.

This affected me far more than I could have expected. Even though I never once met Steve in person, I'm profoundly affected in so many ways by his clarity of vision, drive, steadfast beliefs, and in the end, the way he dealt with his mortality.

A sad, sad day.

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dr_ 6 days ago 1 reply      
Accomplished more in his 56 years of life than many people do in a full lifetime.

Thank you for your vision, creativity and inspiration.

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krishna2 6 days ago 1 reply      
R.I.P Steve Jobs. Thank you for Super Breakout (game) and everything else!

And that's how I got inspired to get into computer science, learn programming, to build games like that or do cool stuff with computers.

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yojimbo311 6 days ago 0 replies      
This really made the world a little less bright for me today.

RIP Steve. Thank you for everything you've done to bring your magic to the world. Thank you also for things you haven't done, but easily could have.

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happypeter 5 days ago 0 replies      
This means a lot to me

"Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be
truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work, and the only way to
do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep
looking, and don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when
you find it, and like any great relationship it just gets better and better as
the years roll on. So keep looking. Don't settle."

June 12th 2005 Stanford commencement speech

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marknutter 5 days ago 0 replies      
That every single story on the hacker news front page is a Steve Jobs related link speaks volumes.
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revorad 5 days ago 0 replies      
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plq 6 days ago 0 replies      
the world is a scarier place now.

a moment of hush for mr. jobs.

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chunkyslink 6 days ago 0 replies      
I never met Steve Jobs but my house and life is jammed packed full of things that he had the vision to create.

I can honestly say that I think my life if better because of this. Lets hope they can continue to innovate and improve people lives to the same degree that mine has been influenced.

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47 6 days ago 1 reply      
Steven Paul "Steve" Jobs will be remembered as the greatest inventor and entrepreneur of our era.
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revorad 5 days ago 0 replies      
The final page from an Apple business plan in 1981: http://twitpic.com/6vx2cn
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richardofyork 5 days ago 0 replies      
May your soul continue to create beautiful things in heaven.

You have done a great deal for humanity, and for that we are very grateful for your time on earth. You represented the best of human intellect and human drive for perfection. We are inherently imperfect as humans, but you have proven, with fantastic flair and awe, that humans can attain perfection. Perfection is no longer a concept, it is embodied in the iPad, the iPhone, the MAC OSX, the iPod, the MAC Book Pro, and all the ingenious, useful, monumental products you have introduced to our world.

We stand proud as humans because of you and the few other men and women who have stood strong and lead with courage and change our world for the better. For Ever!

My condolences to your family, your fans, your friends, and your colleagues.

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qubot 4 days ago 0 replies      
Jobs lived a life that he will be remembered for, which is a luxury other computing pioneers I could name (Eckert, Mauchley) did not get to enjoy. I am happy for Jobs in this respect, since it leaves a feeling of "completeness" that came with his death.

However, I would feel more emotionally impacted if Jobs was less egocentric. His world was just that: His world. If something did not meet his vision, he was ready to talk down to it. Even if he was right, his attitude and politics made it difficult for me to really warm up to him.

All I can say is that I wish his family and friends a good life after their tragedy. Regardless of what I think, they knew a man they will never forget.

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BillPosters 5 days ago 0 replies      
I mostly avoid Macs. I prefer PC. But I dig the iPhone despite the various lock-down restrictions. I moved on to an android phone, and for the most part liked the new freedoms the android offered, but it was a step down in user interface design, general UX and is less "fun to use".

I'm grateful that Steve invested in Pixar. Those animations are inspiring.

So for me it's iPhone + Pixar. The rest, with respect, is just normal computer business - iMacs and so on. That is, build them cheap in China, sell them expensive in fancy stores with marble floors and huge glass windows. Not a lot going on there except manufacturing and clever business, and half-decent product design including the OS if you're a fan of that style of computer.

But for sure, it's sad he died young and he was obviously a hero to many. I liked his speech to the uni students, he seemed to have a calm outlook and interest in life and death and everything in between.

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beaker 5 days ago 0 replies      
The first time I heard the word "icon" was when I was introduced to the new Macintosh 128k as a young child. Seems very appropriate now. Steve Jobs, Icon. RIP.
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WiseWeasel 6 days ago 0 replies      
I grew up on Macs (starting with a IIcx in the late 80s) and bleed in six colors; this news is extremely hard for me to take.

Ultimately, this adds a sense of urgency to my own efforts to start a company and help bring a piece of the future to fruition, as I can no longer count on Steve to get us there.

Thank you Steve, for your vision, good taste, boundless drive and the inspiration you have given me and countless others. You will be sorely missed. :.(

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bane 6 days ago 0 replies      
The beginning of the end of the wave of computing that transformed society like no invention since iron and the printing press. Steve Jobs was absolutely on the forefront of that revolution and will be greatly missed. Hats off to you Mr. Jobs, hats off.
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sosuke 6 days ago 0 replies      
I didn't realize how sick he was. I wish his family well and I hope he was able to enjoy his successors first product launch yesterday and know that he left Apple in good hands. A sad day for everyone.
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ericb 6 days ago 0 replies      
Pixar, iphones, ipads, macs, macbook air, the apple II, the ipod.

I am so very sad, but when I think of his life and gifts, all I want to do is applaud.

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maxwin 6 days ago 0 replies      
It just reminds me of how impermanent life is. It's still hard for me to swallow the fact that Steve Jobs has already passed away. RIP Steve. Your inspirations will continue to live with us.
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hesdeadjim 6 days ago 0 replies      
I'm quite sad at this loss -- both for the people he leaves behind and for an industry that desperately needs vision of his caliber.

On a personal note, if it weren't for Steve Jobs' relentless determination to revolutionize the mobile industry, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to make a living writing games for a platform I love. Thank you and RIP Steve.

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dhughes 4 days ago 0 replies      
You know how some sick people especially older people seem to be able to hold on until after a big event such as Christmas or Thanksgiving, whatever to them is important.

Steve died a day after the launch of the iPhone 4S do you think he hung on until then just from sheer willpower alone?

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patrickk 5 days ago 0 replies      
I'm employed right now because of Steve Jobs incredible vision (iOS developer). I might not have work in this economy right now if it weren't for Steve.

RIP.

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gord 6 days ago 0 replies      
sadness.. Steve Jobs built beautiful useful things. This solid alu keyboard with rounded corners tells a story of someone who cared.
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sgt 4 days ago 0 replies      
I made a little tribute video to Steve Jobs, in his memory. I submitted it to HN. It's actually specifically made for you guys. http://news.ycombinator.net/item?id=3081923
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vaksel 6 days ago 1 reply      
happened way too soon, sure he was sick, but you'd think with all the resources under his disposable he'd be able to hang on for at least a couple of years...as it is it happened almost overnight
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ww520 6 days ago 0 replies      
This is truly sad. Steve Jobs is like an iconic representation of our computing generation. In some way his passing away signifies the diminishing of our generation. Sigh.
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channelmeter 6 days ago 0 replies      
“The only way to do great work is to love what you do. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it.” - Steve Jobs
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martinkallstrom 5 days ago 0 replies      
Steve Jobs held the world up to his standards. Maybe that's why we are at such a loss now when he's gone.
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aforty 6 days ago 0 replies      
My thoughts go out to his family and close friends. We all will miss Steve but few of us really knew him, his family and friends must be devastated this evening. Stay strong.
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DiabloD3 1 day ago 0 replies      
After 4 days, this has finally dropped off the front page.

You did good, HN.

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Killah911 5 days ago 0 replies      
RIP Steve, I don't know weather to feel sad for the loss of one of the greatest innovators of our time or to feel happy about seeing the example of a life well lived. I'm sure yiu sill continue to inspire us and even many after we have passed on.
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darkmethod 6 days ago 0 replies      
My first experience with a computer was on an Apple ][. And I'm typing this using my iMac over 30 years later. Good memories.

My life (childhood, education, and career) have been touched in tremendously powerful way by this man and his passion.

RIP Steve.

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madhancr 2 days ago 0 replies      
RIP Steve.
My career got a boost because of technology you created.
I wonder what you would have created if you had lived another 10 or 20 years
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RobertKohr 4 days ago 0 replies      
Computer technology tends to become a commodity. You took it and
shaped it into art. You gave a machine a soul. You set the bar high,
and it was a bar that most people left sitting on the ground.
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_frog 6 days ago 0 replies      
Cancer is such an ugly way to go, we lost a great man today.
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rooshdi 5 days ago 0 replies      
"Almost everything--all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure--these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart."

Thank you Steve, RIP

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dholowiski 6 days ago 0 replies      
Rip Steve. My condolences to his family, friends coworkers and employees. We will miss you, I will miss you. I am an unabashed apple fanboy and today is a very sad day, and in retrospect yesterday was a very sad day. Can you imagine how Tim Cook felt up on that stage yesterday?
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alexwolfe 5 days ago 0 replies      
I think it was surprising for many of us how emotional this loss was. There were moments I literally couldn't/wouldn't believe this was happening. Amazing how many people he touched. RIP Steve, we truly miss you.
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dasil003 5 days ago 0 replies      
Art and computers are my two passions. No one did more to unite them than Steve Jobs. A great man.
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pbreit 5 days ago 0 replies      
The saddest thing is to think what kind of further impact Steve could have had over the next 20, 30 or 40 years.

What a remarkable career and life. You have inspired millions (billions?) and will truly be missed.

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Rotor 6 days ago 0 replies      
Steve Jobs said he wanted to make a dent in the universe. I'd say he achieved that, he fundamentally changed the world of technology. What an amazing journey and legacy to leave behind. Rest in peace Steve.
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arc_of_descent 5 days ago 0 replies      
As with most, I'm pleasantly surprised by the emotions in me related to Steve Jobs' death. I've only ever used an iPod. I guess this is testament to the person he was. Screw the tech stuff.
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jpastika 5 days ago 0 replies      
I'm guessing the black bar on top of the HN menu is for Steve Jobs. Apple is the most incredible comeback story of my lifetime. Under Jobs, Apple's stock went from $10 to $400. His dedication to the user experience and unwavering commitment to quality are his traits I most admire and desire to emulate. Some would say that he didn't get to enjoy his success after conquering the business world, but I believe he enjoyed every moment of the pursuit. RIP Mr. Jobs.
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ubi 6 days ago 0 replies      
very tasteful, props Apple.
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axefrog 6 days ago 1 reply      
He worked up until he barely had a month left. That's passion for you.
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mlok 5 days ago 0 replies      
RIP Steve Jobs. He's been a great inspiration for me. Making tech simply work in the hands of human beings.

Think different.

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erreon 6 days ago 0 replies      
Sad news about Steve Jobs, but I'm glad he's through the pain he must have been in. RIP
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hackerbob 6 days ago 0 replies      
I don't even know what to type. I'm just simply sad.
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darksaga 6 days ago 0 replies      
Wow - what a day. A tweet by CBSNEws says it was wrong when someone tweeted he had died, then I scramble for hours trying to figure out if it was real, and now it has been confirmed by Apple.

When I read the news, it really felt like he was hanging on until he knew his company was in good hands and he could pass on. Just an incredible human being in every aspect. He will be sorely missed.

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danvideo 6 days ago 0 replies      
Knew he was sick, but wasn't expecting this.

The world has lost a unique and brilliant technology-business-design leader, the likes of which are few and far between.

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chunky1994 5 days ago 0 replies      
Finally shakespeare has his answer, here came a man greater than Ceaser, when comes another Steve Jobs?
RIP Steve, you're memory will never die.
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MikeCapone 6 days ago 0 replies      
He will be missed. Thank you for making a dent in the universe, Steve.
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pyUser 5 days ago 0 replies      
Didn't know it was possible to feel so sad by the death of non-family/friend. RIP Steve. Am lucky to have lived in your era.
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lyime 6 days ago 0 replies      
It is amazing to see that there are millions of other people that care about same person as much as I do.
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grizzlylazer 6 days ago 0 replies      
This changes everything.

RIP Steve Jobs, thanks for everything. You have been an inspiration to my entrepreneurial career.

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candre717 6 days ago 0 replies      
Even in the face of death, Jobs was a great visionary until the end. Now that's inspiring.
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mikeryan 6 days ago 0 replies      
Thanks Steve.
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pknerd 5 days ago 0 replies      
I never met Steve. I even never got into Silicon Valley or US, Being a non American I could only touch and feel Steve by using his products.

It is easy to love role models but damn difficult to follow them, Today I promise myself that I'll try to follow lessons taught by Steve Jobs. Thank you Sir for giving human side to technology.

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andrewneilcrump 5 days ago 0 replies      
I heard this news very late last night (BST) and I didn't sleep. Absolutely gutted that we have lost such an inspiration. His 2005 Stanford inspired to me to go on a journey that makes me smile every day. A true founder of the modern world.
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littlegiantcap 5 days ago 0 replies      
I know there may not be many Catholics on this board, but just in case. In nómine Patris et Fílii et Spíritus Sancti. Amen.
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m0wfo 6 days ago 0 replies      
Apple was born out of obsession and makes some of the finest hardware around, running BSD with a touch of class that is unrivalled. But as my granny would say, there are no pockets in a shroud... poor Steve.

It's nice to have a sexy laptop, but life's just too damn short.

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GotToStartup 5 days ago 1 reply      
Steve Jobs inspired me on so many levels. Whenever I need a boost I find myself watching one of his incredibly powerful talks, oozing with inspiration. The man accomplished more in an hour than most will their entire lives. This is a hard loss for our entire industry.
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jayfuerstenberg 5 days ago 0 replies      
It's sad that it takes the death of a man like Steve Jobs to make the rest of us realize that we're not living our lives to the fullest.
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dhughes 5 days ago 0 replies      
Steve Jobs was quite the guy, everyone had their opinion of him but he ignored the critics and kept his dream going.
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felipemnoa 6 days ago 0 replies      
A truly sad day for humanity. Thank you so much Steve Jobs for giving us so much.
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mml 6 days ago 0 replies      
I told my daughter a great man died today.
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elmcitylabs 6 days ago 0 replies      
Well said by Tim Cook: "No words can adequately express our sadness at Steve's death or our gratitude for the opportunity to work with him. We will honor his memory by dedicating ourselves to continuing the work he loved so much." RIP Steve
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jasim 5 days ago 0 replies      
The hard thing to digest is that Steve never had any peers. This is one huge world, with millions using consumer technology. But there is no one else from which to expect the level of innovation Steve Jobs could do. There is a vacuum.
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sharmajai 6 days ago 0 replies      
A very sad day for humanity.
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shriphani 6 days ago 0 replies      
This was his decade - thanks for making the personal computer personal steve. RIP.
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pyrmont 6 days ago 0 replies      
I miss you, Steve.
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ankimal 6 days ago 0 replies      
RIP Steve Jobs, one of the greatest visionaries of our times.
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nrbafna 5 days ago 0 replies      
Black band on above the links on HN, a pay of respect to Steve Jobs?
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jasontan 5 days ago 0 replies      
He built the iCloud so he could have a place to rest in peace. Thanks, Steve
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kunday 6 days ago 0 replies      
Tech world will never be the same without Steve around. May he rest in Peace.
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emp_ 5 days ago 0 replies      
I'm late in the thread but just want to wish the best to his family, they helped make him what he represented.
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Ulankgz 5 days ago 0 replies      
R.I.P. Steve. I respect him for that despite all the difficulties he was doing what he wanted in his life and enjoyed it. He achieved his goal - to change the world.
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f7u12 5 days ago 0 replies      
I hate Apple, but I'm not going to lie, I'm teary-eyed right now reading all this. I can certainly see from the comments how much he has inspired everyone, and for that I am grateful. Thanks Steve.
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sbochins 6 days ago 0 replies      
Did the site layout and color scheme change because Jobs died? Or was this planned earlier?
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guzzul 6 days ago 0 replies      
iPhone 4S = iPhone 4Steve
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kennethologist 6 days ago 0 replies      
Good but never forgotten! The spirit of Steve Jobs will live on in each of our minds and hearts born and unborn. Steve Jobs lives in every product apple has and will ever create.
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vsl2 5 days ago 0 replies      
A man who built possibly the most successful company in the world (not to mention what I believe is the best movie studio in the world). So sad that he died so young...
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nirav 6 days ago 0 replies      
R.I.P. Steve, You inspired many of us to rise above and beyond what we would have been otherwise...
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veyron 6 days ago 0 replies      
The world lost a great industrialist ...
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fosk 6 days ago 0 replies      
Thanks Steve, thanks for your inspiration. You pushed the human race forward.
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gbsi 5 days ago 0 replies      
I never knew the man, but somehow he always knew what I wanted. An incredible leader and source of inspiration. Stay hungry, stay foolish.
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taphangum 5 days ago 0 replies      
I'm surprised by how emotional i am about this.
RIP Steve.
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melvinng 6 days ago 0 replies      
Love him or hate him, and the company he created, this man was an icon who changed the way we interact with technology. This is a sad day.
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yoda_sl 6 days ago 0 replies      
This is a sad day in History
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dm8 6 days ago 0 replies      
A true visionary, maverick and someone who had healthy disregard for rules and status quo. RIP Steve. You'll be sorely missed.
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BadiPod 6 days ago 0 replies      
Steve Jobs embodies everything I strive to be.
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pullo 5 days ago 0 replies      
terribly sad news! what wonders he could have created if had lived for another decade..I am grateful to you Steve.
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keveman 5 days ago 0 replies      
As engineers and logicians, we almost always ask, how? But this is one of the times that I want to ask, why? :'(
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paraschopra 5 days ago 0 replies      
Steve, you are going to be missed terribly! :(
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paul9290 5 days ago 0 replies      
What a life; legacy left. Thank you and rest in peace!
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guimarin 6 days ago 0 replies      
Personally inspired me to get into computing when I was a young child. He will be sorely missed.
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bond 6 days ago 0 replies      
R.I.P. Condolences to his family.
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thomasfl 4 days ago 0 replies      
Steve Jobs deserved an upvote record on hacker news.
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toblender 5 days ago 0 replies      
Make everyday your masterpiece.
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sort3d 5 days ago 0 replies      
Stay hungry. Stay foolish.
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kylek 6 days ago 0 replies      
An Insanely Great loss. :(
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jimqin 4 days ago 0 replies      
After a day of reflection of the tragic news, I think we should all have a sense of optimism.

http://www.jimqin.com/?p=102

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aespinoza 6 days ago 0 replies      
This is indeed very sad news....
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Tycho 5 days ago 0 replies      
One of the best people ever.
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jts 5 days ago 0 replies      
Thanks, Steve. You put a dent in my universe.
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seanl 5 days ago 0 replies      
Some realities can't be distorted. RIP.
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wvs 5 days ago 0 replies      
Later, Steve. May your vision live on.
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macak 5 days ago 0 replies      
would like to point out every article in the top 30 is on steve. have a jpg too if someone can host. picasa is being lame.
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sakibanda1 5 days ago 0 replies      
Its very sad to loose him so early. We should move in the paths he has shown us. May his soul rest in peace.
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ossama-web 5 days ago 0 replies      
RIP Steve Jobs, we hope see some creative and inspiring people like him in the future.
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RichardVanStark 5 days ago 0 replies      
RIP Steve.

I think we need eat an delicious apple today in memory of Steve Jobs.

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azulum 6 days ago 1 reply      
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purak 4 days ago 0 replies      
R.I.P Steve
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macak 5 days ago 0 replies      
won't be drinking an sugared-water today. Thanks, Steve.
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incub8or 5 days ago 0 replies      
Sad, sad day.
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robert_nsu 6 days ago 0 replies      
RIP Steve Jobs
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anand_nalya 5 days ago 0 replies      
RIP Steve.
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anishk123 5 days ago 0 replies      
RIP Steve
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Sym3tri 6 days ago 0 replies      
RIP
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umfana 5 days ago 0 replies      
R.I.P.
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conesus 6 days ago 5 replies      
From his 2005 Stanford commencement speech:

"Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything " all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart."

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rbranson 6 days ago 1 reply      
This is the first "celebrity" death in recent history that's really upset me :/

I feel like he really truly had a rare combination of drive, personality, and talent that is extremely rare, dare I say one of a kind? Our field owes him a great debt for pushing us forward, even when we didn't want to.

RIP Steve.

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quasistar 6 days ago 2 replies      
Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them.
About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They invent. They imagine. They heal. They explore. They create. They inspire. They push the human race forward.
Maybe they have to be crazy.
How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art? Or sit in silence and hear a song that's never been written? Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels?
We make tools for these kinds of people.
While some see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
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kristofferR 6 days ago 0 replies      
"No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma " which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."

- Steve Jobs

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andrewljohnson 6 days ago 1 reply      
He held out for one final launch. When I think about that, I cry. His passion kept him going, passion for work, passion for life, passion to make a difference.
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noonespecial 6 days ago 0 replies      
What a strange thing. I'm actually going to miss him a little as if I had known him.

Its not going to be quite the same now that I know "the Steve" is not in his Cupertino lair working his magic.

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blhack 6 days ago 0 replies      
Rest in peace, Steve.

While everything you built wasn't necessarily for me, god damn if it wasn't brilliant. Everybody in the community really seemed to speak highly of you, I wish I would have had the chance to experience this in person.

The world will always, always love you, and love the impact that you made on it. Thank you for that.

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sshumaker 6 days ago 0 replies      
Wow. He held on just long enough to make sure an Apple product announcement went on successfully without him.
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kemayo 6 days ago 2 replies      
One thing that he really forced down all our throats was the importance of taste. He knew what he wanted, and he made us all see how great it was.

Here's a clip from back in 1996, before his return to Apple, where he talks briefly about Microsoft, and in it you can really see his continuing obsession with making insanely great things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzKj-1HaKw

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sahaj 6 days ago 2 replies      
I actually cried when I read this.

RIP Steve!

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marcamillion 6 days ago 0 replies      
WoW! Just wow.

Here is to a life of unrelenting pursuit of perfection.

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kevinchen 6 days ago 0 replies      
Looks legitimate: http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/

Goodbye, sir. Thank you for changing my life.

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sneak 6 days ago 0 replies      
I grew up with the machines he and his team at Apple designed and built.

I was four when I got my first mac, and some of my earliest memories are those of customizing my system with the Font/DA Mover app on System 6. My earliest ideas about the role of machines in our lives were shaped by things like HyperCard and MacPaint. My dad still tells the story of the time that 14-year-old me skipped basketball practice one afternoon to install System 7 from the six floppies it came on. Apple hardware and software has directly shaped who I am today, as cliche as it may sound.

I recall seeing exactly one empty seat in the town hall during the 4S reveal, in the front row, labelled "Reserved" in their iconic Myriad typeface. I wonder if that's who it was for.

A friend just suggested that perhaps he died a short time ago, and they waited until after the launch to announce it. It's not a stretch, considering that he devoted his life's work to the betterment of Apple's shareholders.

Regardless, I'll miss him. He was as much an influence on my life and development, both aesthetically and technologically, as any family member.

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vga15 6 days ago 0 replies      
Almost wierd that I feel sick to my stomach.

RIP Steve. We'll certainly miss the most important innovator of our times.

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ronnier 6 days ago 0 replies      
http://www.apple.com/ apple.com is dedicated to him.
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revscat 6 days ago 0 replies      
This is a link to the "Think Different" commercial from Apple. I must admit that after watching it just now I teared up a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oAB83Z1ydE

What a life.

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arjn 6 days ago 1 reply      
Not entirely unexpected but still sad. The end of an era. He will be missed by many.
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ams6110 6 days ago 0 replies      
Many people will have more days, but few will have more impact. Rest in Peace.
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donw 6 days ago 0 replies      
It's almost impossible for me to imagine the tech world without Jobs... the world has lost a visionary man today.
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danvideo 6 days ago 0 replies      
For real? Sadly, knew he was sick, but wasn't expecting this.

The world has lost a unique and brilliant technology / business / design leader, the likes of which are few and far between.

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heyrhett 6 days ago 1 reply      
Is the present perfect tense here more correct, or should it be the past tense, "Steve Jobs died?"
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sgt 4 days ago 0 replies      
"In Memory of Steve Jobs" video. Made it in iMovie for the HN crowd. http://news.ycombinator.net/item?id=3081923
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Fluxx 6 days ago 0 replies      
The homepage of Apple right now is such an appropriate tribute. Stark. Clean. Compassionate. Human.
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pixelcloud 6 days ago 0 replies      
Steve Jobs has inspired us all, through his business philosophy, through pushing the mobile landscape to where it is today, for changing the music industry as we know it, for his snappy turtle-necks, for the opportunities he has given his employees and developers on iOS.

The world lost one of the greatest business man of all time.

RIP

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capkutay 5 days ago 0 replies      
Watching "Pirates of Silicon Valley" impacted me as much as listening to and learning about the Beatles as a child. Steve Jobs you're forever my hero.
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ashleyw 6 days ago 0 replies      
A great man. Rest in peace, my friend.
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dm8 6 days ago 0 replies      
A true visionary, maverick and someone who had healthy disregards for rules and status quo. RIP Steve. You'll be sorely missed.
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EREFUNDO 5 days ago 0 replies      
Steve Jobs is a visionary not because he saw the future, he is a visionary because he created it.
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snprbob86 6 days ago 0 replies      
:-(
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abbasmehdi 6 days ago 1 reply      
I will never forget this moment.
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meatsock 6 days ago 1 reply      
I can't wait to see what he invents at his new place.
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iyousafkh 5 days ago 0 replies      
Legend Dies...Legacy Remains!
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Apple RIP Logo design jmak.tumblr.com
798 points by citricsquid  5 days ago   45 comments top 25
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citricsquid 5 days ago 3 replies      
I know normally this (an image) wouldn't fit here, but I thought it was poignant and relevant considering the front page.
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marcamillion 5 days ago 0 replies      
Wow...love the intelligence in this interpretation.

I suspect this will likely become apart of the imagery associated with our loss, like the Shepherd's Hope poster became associated with Obama's campaign.

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relix 5 days ago 1 reply      
Apparently news sites are using this logo. I hope he gets paid for this.
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uniclaude 5 days ago 1 reply      
I made a few wallpapers [1] with this in case anyone wants one (sorry for the poor vectorization, I'm working and I had to make this fast).
Imgur seems to compress jpegs a bit hard, so please feel free to ask me for less compressed images.

The different images are for the different resolutions & styles.

(I am not the creator of the original image, credits go to Jonathan Mak)

[1]: http://imgur.com/a/ASm7b

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iMark 5 days ago 1 reply      
I tried an Apple logo variation back when Steve's illness was first announced. It's not as subtle as Mak's, but this seems to be the time for this sort of thing:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/imark/3210793896/

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jarin 5 days ago 0 replies      
Subtle, striking, and minimalistic. Just like Steve's design ethic.
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marcamillion 2 days ago 0 replies      
Btw, congrats on the notoriety. I just saw your image on an NYT article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/business/steve-jobs-and-th...

That's awesome. Would love to know how that worked out for you.

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jasontan 5 days ago 0 replies      
Definitely appropriate, for this community even more so. Steve was an inspiration, an icon, a legend.
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luckydude 5 days ago 0 replies      
I put it up at www.bitkeeper.com, if you need a copyright stuck on there or whatever, let me know. Very nice logo, I like to think that Steve would also have liked it.
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emeltzer 5 days ago 1 reply      
Posted on Aug 26th, 2011?
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hpenedones 5 days ago 0 replies      
Apple's missing piece.
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marshray 5 days ago 1 reply      
Apologies in advance for questioning an Apple aesthetic at a time like this. Perhaps SJ would have appreciated the design critique.

But someone pointed out to me the similarity with, um, POW*MIA YOU ARE NOT FORGOTTEN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_POW-MIA_flag...
and it's kinda stuck in my head now. :-P

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morsch 5 days ago 1 reply      
I just saw this in a (German) newspaper. Apparently Reuters picked it up.
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RexRollman 5 days ago 0 replies      
For some reason, this reminds me a bit of the Dreamworks logo.
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petercooper 4 days ago 0 replies      
Channel 4 News (UK) closed the story with this logo last night. They also closed by calling him the "insanely great Steve Jobs" which was nice.
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mythz 4 days ago 0 replies      
My tribute of Steve Jobs' beautiful world:
http://www.servicestack.net/thankyou_steve.png
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sgt 4 days ago 0 replies      
I love the design. I took the liberty of using it in an iMovie project called "In Memory of Steve Jobs" that I wanted to post to the guys on HN, who I hope will appreciate it.

Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edaQyINe5oQ?1

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geuis 5 days ago 0 replies      
That is really, really lovely.
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onlawschool 4 days ago 0 replies      
The cover of Chicago Tribune's Thursday edition of the Red Eye was strikingly similar to your design: http://www.poynter.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/redeye.gif

I can't imagine that they independently arrived at that cover without having seen this here first.

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pluc 5 days ago 0 replies      
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fezzl 5 days ago 0 replies      
Apple should use this logo.
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Rayzar 5 days ago 0 replies      
Cool tribute. I've used one of the variations for my Facebook Cover
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acpmasquerade 4 days ago 0 replies      
GREAT. More than worth to share.
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berserkpi 5 days ago 0 replies      
It is perfect.
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jdale27 5 days ago 1 reply      
Tacky.
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Subtle Patterns: Free textures for your next web project subtlepatterns.com
771 points by vitomd  2 days ago   64 comments top 43
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mapleoin 1 day ago 2 replies      
There is a huge community around website colors, palettes and patterns over at http://colourlovers.com . You can also create your own starting from scratch or from already existing patterns.
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raphman 1 day ago 1 reply      
The license is pretty confusing:
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License.
The patterns can be used freely in both personal and commercial projects with no attribution required, but always appreciated.

Am I required to adhere to the CC-BY license or does the second part indeed cancel the BY requirement?

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aculver 2 days ago 1 reply      
This is really awesome. Just an hour ago my wife and I were scanning through an extensive collection of tile-able background images she stumbled onto (http://www.flickr.com/photos/webtreatsetc/). While I really liked a lot of the background images there, what I really love about the images in the OP is that they're friendly to content areas with text.
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PStamatiou 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is great! Like tileabl.es and some other website I'm forgetting at the moment.

Regarding design for your next proj/startup: I wrote this "crash course" post a while ago: http://paulstamatiou.com/startup-web-design-ux-crash-course

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bane 1 day ago 1 reply      
A big struggle for our startup was learning how to design a good looking site.

For our first site, we used a template we got off of a template site, then modified it out of all recognition.

To be honest it's not great and we'll probably redo it before too long. But it was something we could hang a couple apps off of.

http://www.kymalabs.com

For our second site, we went with a different approach and designed it from scratch as a learning exercise. One of the experimental techniques we sweated over for hours and hours was using textures.

http://www.eggtweeter.com

We think it made a huge impact in the look of the site, but also drove us in new directions with the design we weren't planning on.

This site looks fantastic and something we'll definitely be looking at (maybe for an eventual redesign of our current site!)

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natesm 1 day ago 1 reply      
A nice addition would be the proper background color for before it loads.
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kevinpet 17 hours ago 0 replies      
90% of these give me a headache. I don't like any identically repeating pattern, it looks like it's moving to me. I think what happens is that when I glance at it, my brain sometimes matches up right and left eye with some offset.

I like the non-identical patterns, though. Introducing a little noise helps. Not sure why half the patterns are solid black rectangles either.

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sgdesign 1 day ago 1 reply      
That's a great site! Also, if you're looking for simpler pixel patterns, you can use something I built a while back:

http://www.patternify.com/

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kefs 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is a great collection. I would maybe consider adding a custom color filter, and a custom text overlay w/ preview.. and maybe a sort by most popular/downloaded? Thanks again :)
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richardw 1 day ago 0 replies      
Donated. If this site saved you some time, maybe think about giving him something for it.
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palish 2 days ago 2 replies      
These are actually fantastic ZBrush patterns, as well.

I just wish they weren't so... well, subtle. On my laptop, "Dark Leather" and "Triangles" both look exactly the same: a black rectangle.

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haroldp 1 day ago 1 reply      
Cool. Now hook me up with a site that does this for those cicada patterns previously featured on HN:

http://designfestival.com/the-cicada-principle-and-why-it-ma...

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JoshTriplett 1 day ago 0 replies      
Very awesome. I like how the preview feature doesn't change the offset of the texture in the box, but just lets it appear outside that box.
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snorkel 1 day ago 0 replies      
Did I fall into a rip in the universe where web developers are once again in love with background textures?
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alttag 1 day ago 0 replies      
I was looking for exactly this last week.

Do you have an easy way to flag or bookmark patterns?

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DanBC 1 day ago 0 replies      
I love this! I really like the fact that (as others have mentioned) they are text friendly. I've added one to my custom CSS for HN.

(and a teeny-tiny comment if they're reading this: possessive its has no apostrophe. (See description for Stucco.))

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dbbo 1 day ago 0 replies      
I'm converting the individual PNGs to GIMP pattern files, in case you don't want to download all of them in a single Photoshop pattern file: https://github.com/dbb/subtle-patterns-gimp
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baran 1 day ago 0 replies      
When using multiple textures on a page, how can you effectively transition from one to another?

I have seen the linear gradient close to the edge (creating the turned-under effect), but that seems overdone. Other ideas?

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Raphael 1 day ago 0 replies      
"Triangles" should be called "Parallelograms".
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funkah 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is awesome! These patterns are really nice. Good work.
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fuzionmonkey 1 day ago 0 replies      
Awesome, this is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for.
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p_monk 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is great. I needed a asphalt-like texture for a project and I made one using a site like this one, except with textures from the real world. http://www.mayang.com/textures/
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tortilla 1 day ago 0 replies      
Love this site, I've been using these in last couple of projects.
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empire29 1 day ago 0 replies      
Very nice job -- i particularly like the "organic" patterns (like black linen)
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dbbo 1 day ago 0 replies      
Tile one, add a radial gradient, and you've got a killer desktop background/wallpaper.
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lukedupont 20 hours ago 0 replies      
It is so refreshing to see a well designed pattern download site. A infinite scroll would be a nice touch!! Fantastic job with this.
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bluppy2 1 day ago 0 replies      
Another nice collection of free tileable patterns: http://tileabl.es/
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munaf 2 days ago 0 replies      
Very cool! Great to see a pattern site that's actually clean and usable.
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vnuk 1 day ago 0 replies      
Site seems to crash a lot, probably isn't built for being on HN front page :)

Otherwise, kudos - some beautiful textures. Thank you

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Nat0 1 day ago 0 replies      
Nice site! I was just working on a pack of background textures like this that I was going to give away. I will have to submit them to the site.
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Veera 1 day ago 1 reply      
Simply great.

Feature request: If there's a slider with the thumbnails of all the textures which can be browsed in single page, that would make the searching easier, instead of clicking next page so many times!

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vitomd 1 day ago 0 replies      
I am not affiliated with the site, just shared the link beacause is awesome and I used it in some projects.
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wingerlang 1 day ago 0 replies      
Awesome, I am always looking for excatly this every time i try to make a webpage.
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krumjahn 1 day ago 0 replies      
Super awesome. Is the green pattern you've used for the buttons available too? Thanks alot!
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mailanay 1 day ago 0 replies      
Thanks ! Extremely useful for non-designer programmer like me !
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einai 1 day ago 0 replies      
Nice site with great textures! Thank you for sharing.
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PatHyatt 2 days ago 0 replies      
Awesome patterns, very subtle but bring a lot to the page.
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jeffehobbs 2 days ago 0 replies      
These are great! Very useful and well-organized.
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deniz 1 day ago 0 replies      
This is great. The preview feature is clever.
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anakin 1 day ago 0 replies      
Awesome! Love it. Thank you man :-)
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incongruity 1 day ago 0 replies      
Thank you " this'll come in handy!
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Duckpaddle2 1 day ago 0 replies      
Very Nice!
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bigfoot 1 day ago 0 replies      
The 90ies called, they want their tiled backgrounds back.
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Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot daringfireball.net
737 points by ditados  5 days ago   135 comments top 24
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timr 5 days ago 6 replies      
"There is no grass in Moscone West."

There's a gigantic grass lawn right next door, in Moscone Center.

Steve Jobs was a great man, but this remembrance hit a sour note for me. It's not about Steve Jobs, so much as it's about an outsider's fantasy of what Jobs' (very private) inner life was like. And if this bears no resemblance to reality, it's not a remembrance at all. It could even be offensive to the people who knew him best.

Remember the man for the person that he was, not for the person that you imagined him to be.

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jgrahamc 5 days ago 3 replies      
Many years ago a colleague, Steve Holtzman, suddenly discovered he had colon cancer. Within a year he had faded away (it seemed almost literally) and was gone. He had money and access to the best doctors, but he wasn't vigilant (he had ignored odd weight loss and bowel trouble) and so it was too late.

Although Jobs didn't die of a "man's disease" there are lots of men killers out there that can be stopped if you look for the signs. But talking to men around me we are often reluctant to go and see a doctor for regular health checks.

If you have a smoke alarm in your home, it's not because you expect a fire, but because you want to be warned if there is one. Think the same way about your own health: a visit to the doctor for an annual medical is a smoke alarm for your body.

PS In the UK if you are over 40 then the NHS offers a free "Health Check" (http://www.nhs.uk/Planners/NHSHealthCheck/Pages/NHSHealthChe...) that screens for common adult diseases. It's free. Go do it.

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robterrell 5 days ago 5 replies      
You know what? This code can wait. I'm going to take my son for a walk.
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technoslut 5 days ago 2 replies      
Gruber's talent for writing never ceases to amaze me. It's always incredible that a tech blogger can write so well and, in this case, poetically.

Five minutes ago I had just watched Jobs' commencement speech on CNN for the at least the 50th time. I put work on hold just to hear it again. Every time I hear it I gain strength. I've never had a dad but I did have heroes. Steve Jobs is one of them.

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juliano_q 5 days ago 2 replies      
I am not a big Gruber fan. Actually, I disagree with most of his opinions. But this text is just beautiful.
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solutionyogi 5 days ago 2 replies      
Gruber uses the word 'Raconteur' in his Twitter Bio. I didn't know what the word meant, I looked it up. Well, for me, he is truly a raconteur (along with Joel).

RIP, Steve.

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flamingbuffalo 5 days ago 2 replies      
"I like to think that in the run-up to his final keynote, Steve made time for a long, peaceful walk. Somewhere beautiful, where there are no footpaths and the grass grows thick. Hand-in-hand with his wife and family, the sun warm on their backs, smiles on their faces, love in their hearts, at peace with their fate."

Beautifully written.

And I'm glad it took Gruber some time to post this after the news broke yesterday, it would make me glad to know that he didn't have it ready and waiting to be published.

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jmagar 5 days ago 0 replies      
Of all the tributes, this is the one that brought a tear to my eye.

I worry that the long hours and extraordinary commitment to our craft may not be worth the sacrifices we make. The time is now for me, and I'm driving hard to a personal goal. Late nights and early mornings, essentially every waking hour is spent preoccupied by building a great product. And I see it in my son's eyes that he's missing me.

Reading Gruber's final paragraph reminds me that I'm going to regret this lost moment in time with my family, and that any success achieved will be paid for by their commitment to stand by me along the way.

Tonight, I'm going to kick off early and go watch his Hockey practice. And then enjoy a few periods of the Leaf opener tonight with the kid. He deserves it.

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Sindisil 5 days ago 0 replies      
I'm not what you would call a Gruber fan, but this is a beautiful and inspiring piece of writing.

Apple, and thus Jobs, has always been "them" to me. With the exception of the CoCo way back in the day, I've never been much of a fanboy, but my computer affiliations have always been with something other than Apple: CBM PET, COSMAC Elf, CoCo I/II/III, Amiga, Dos, Windows, Linux - always something else.

But in all that time, I always felt that, over rated and over hyped as they might be, Apple and Jobs we worth of respect and admiration, most especially for their inspiration.

Inspiration inward, in the sense of invention, discovery, and art.

Inspiration outward, in the sense of leadership, drive, and motivation.

Somehow, a kernel of that inspiration is expressed by this vignette.

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skeltoac 5 days ago 0 replies      
Freshly cut grass has the greatest staining ability. My sneakers turn green only when I mow a green lawn on foot. Had Steve been walking behind a lawnmower? I know I enjoy cathartic effects from clipping grass. Having billions of dollars and fans shouldn't change that.
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elmofromok 5 days ago 0 replies      
It makes me think of this photo of Steve in a garden a few years ago. http://www.flickr.com/photos/katsanes/1636555794/in/photostr...
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lwhi 5 days ago 0 replies      
Good writing is set apart through an honest expression of emotion and experience. As much as I usually despise Gruber's particularly disingenous brand of tech writing .. this is nicely put. We can all take something from his example.
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Steko 5 days ago 0 replies      
This remembrance squares nicely with Walt's about how Steve set a goal of walking a bit further every day. I guess at the time of WWDC he was still making it to the park regularly.
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FredBrach 5 days ago 0 replies      
"Those grass stained sneakers were the product of limited time, well spent."
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demoo 5 days ago 0 replies      
Very nice post. Reading through the comments brought this back to me:

You could do Richard Branson's job.
Most of the time anyway.

Except for what he does for about five minutes a day. In those five minutes, he creates billions of dollars' worth of value every few years, and neither you nor I would have a prayer of doing what he does. Branson's real job is seeing new opportunities, making decisions that work, and understanding the connection between his audience, his brand, and his ventures.

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tonetheman 5 days ago 0 replies      
I am not a huge fan of daring fireball either but it was a good post. It is strange how we notice things about people and then remember them like that.
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oh_ryan 5 days ago 1 reply      
Gruber changed the background of his site to a darker shade of grey in mourning.

Update: Used to be #4A525A and now is #222222

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kennethologist 5 days ago 1 reply      
I've never read so many inspiring and life changing stories about anyone. Steve Jobs was one of the greatest men to have ever lived.
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tonio09 3 days ago 0 replies      
-1 Seriously, a fantasy story about a man taking a walk in a park? is that it? 732 upvotes. sigh...
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bgarbiak 5 days ago 2 replies      
In my mind Jobs was the kind of guy that soils his sneakers while running, not while peacefully walking.
The image painted by Gruber here is a kitschy one - and kitschy is probably the adjective least fitting to Jobs and his creations.
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pknerd 5 days ago 1 reply      
I can say that I touched Jobs by using his beautiful products.
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happypeter 5 days ago 0 replies      
Turn sorrow into poetry. I love this.
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pseuds_corner 5 days ago  replies      
A walk outside in nature: something I can heartily recommend all the folk stoking up their teenage emotion tsunami while swamping HN with endless Steve tributes.
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hugacow 5 days ago 2 replies      
He was a great man. But, he wasn't perfect. He basically took credit for Woz's creation, backed the losing Lisa (and prior to that the Apple III) rather than the Mac and jumped ship to the Mac when the Lisa tanked. The OS X technology was written by NeXT before Apple bought them. iPod (etc.) was a design win and a business win, but Jobs just helped hire good people. He makes a great front-person, was a stellar businessman, and helped make Silicon(e) Valley what it is today. He seems to have been a great father and husband also. My heart goes out to his family and friends for their loss. But seriously- the man was a front man for great technology that people use.

I feel like I'm living in a real-life Simpsons episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZGIn9bpALo

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The Steve Jobs I Knew allthingsd.com
561 points by Vexenon  6 days ago   11 comments top 7
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bambax 5 days ago 1 reply      
The Gates anecdote is really neat (edited for brevity):

For our fifth D conference, both Steve and Bill Gates agreed to a joint appearance. But it almost got derailed.

Earlier in the day, before Gates arrived, I did a solo onstage interview with Jobs, and asked him what it was like to be a major Windows developer, since Apple's iTunes program was by then installed on hundreds of millions of Windows PCs.

He quipped: “It's like giving a glass of ice water to someone in Hell.” When Gates later arrived and heard about the comment, he was, naturally, enraged.

In a pre-interview meeting, Gates said to Jobs: “So I guess I'm the representative from Hell.” Jobs merely handed Gates a cold bottle of water he was carrying. The tension was broken, and the interview was a triumph.

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marcamillion 5 days ago 0 replies      
At first, when I read the headline...I rolled my eyes...and thought either Kara or Walt are just re-hashing what everybody else is saying.

But then I read it, and it was surprisingly amusing.

This paragraph had me dying:

After his liver transplant, while he was recuperating at home in Palo Alto, California, Steve invited me over to catch up on industry events that had transpired during his illness. It turned into a three-hour visit, punctuated by a walk to a nearby park that he insisted we take, despite my nervousness about his frail condition.

He explained that he walked each day, and that each day he set a farther goal for himself, and that, today, the neighborhood park was his goal. As we were walking and talking, he suddenly stopped, not looking well. I begged him to return to the house, noting that I didn't know CPR and could visualize the headline: “Helpless Reporter Lets Steve Jobs Die on the Sidewalk.”

I can just imagine how terrified Walt must have been.

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Bartlet 5 days ago 1 reply      
My favorite part:

"He looked at me like I was crazy, said there'd be many, many stores, and that the company had spent a year tweaking the layout of the stores, using a mockup at a secret location. I teased him by asking if he, personally, despite his hard duties as CEO, had approved tiny details like the translucency of the glass and the color of the wood.

He said he had, of course."

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abstractwater 5 days ago 0 replies      
Beautiful article from a true gentleman. I love how he still used the present tense at the end of the clip. Personally, these news haven't sunk in yet.
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benologist 5 days ago 0 replies      
This was a really nice piece, it was disappointing to discover there was no page 2.
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alexwolfe 5 days ago 0 replies      
This was such an insightful article, a great way to remember Steve in life. Well done Walt. Way to keep it classy while keeping it real.
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cubicle67 5 days ago 1 reply      
obvious troll is obvious

save your bitterness for another day mate

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Bill Gates on Steve Jobs thegatesnotes.com
537 points by hornokplease  6 days ago   13 comments top 8
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dbattaglia 6 days ago 0 replies      
For all the amazing contributions, fierce competition and larger than life personas of both Jobs and Gates, it really takes something like this to remember that when all is said and done, they are both just human beings sharing the same experiences and ups and downs we all do.

Thanks to both of you for all that you've done for people like myself. Even though most of us never knew you personlly, we'll all miss you Steve!

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ggchappell 6 days ago 1 reply      
> "... an insanely great honor."

Nice phrase.

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fpgeek 5 days ago 1 reply      
Gates' statement makes me really feel the generational shift in the computer industry. They were the two largest figures of their generation and now...
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pcj 5 days ago 0 replies      
Steve on his relationship with Bill Gates http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM8K1yexO6s&feature=playe...

This interview is one of my fav. I just marvel at Steve's impeccable clarity of thoughts!

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channelmeter 5 days ago 0 replies      
From the All Things D conference: "There's that one line in that one Beatles song, 'You and I have memories that stretches out longer than the road ahead' and that's clearly true here."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM8K1yexO6s&feature=playe...

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pcj 5 days ago 0 replies      
Steve's passing is a great loss. Let's not get into petty debates about Jobs vs Gates at least on HN.
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tobylane 5 days ago 0 replies      
The only time I saw Jobs laugh other than something scripted at WWDC, was when he was talking with Gates (things like "Bill taught the world the important of ctrl, alt and del").
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wuster 4 days ago 0 replies      
Every superhero needs an archrival. In many ways - they helped build each other's careers. I don't doubt Bill Gate's sincerity here.
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Wozniak remembers Steve Jobs washingtonpost.com
530 points by flamingbuffalo  5 days ago   55 comments top 13
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JunkDNA 5 days ago  replies      
Reminds me what an incredible guy Woz is as well. Makes me wish I could have been there as the two of them debated the future of the personal computer in their garage.
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rmason 5 days ago 0 replies      
If you ever get the chance to hear Woz speak drop everything and do it. As I mentioned on HN before http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2524640 I heard him address MSU engineering students after he received his honorary doctorate.

He left an indelible impression on all of us that day that is still resonating months later. Made all of us want to go build something!

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davi 5 days ago 2 replies      
watch 'til the end, Woz chokes up (and made me do the same)
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alanfalcon 5 days ago 1 reply      
How terrible is it that the one to break the news to Woz was a reporter looking to get Woz's take?
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jedberg 5 days ago 0 replies      
Woz's site was down yesterday. I went there looking for this.

Anyone have a link to the unedited video? I'm kind of curious what they cut out.

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robertleeper7 5 days ago 1 reply      
A wonderful video - best thing I seen about Steve's passing. Woz is right. The dynamic of the two is what made Apple great. It's a classic case of a partnership that works with the sum being greater than the whole. Design (vision x moxie) + Ability (brains x sweat) = Great. And let's not forget the countless unsung worker bees who actually make it all happen. Viva Apple! His best line is about how entrepreneurs (like them) make something out of nothing but their ideas and passion. Thanks Woz and Steve
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ww520 5 days ago 0 replies      
Apple IIgs was my first computer and 6502 assembly was my first computer language. Woz was an amazingly talented guy, though I remember I had a hard time dealing with the non-contiguous video memory that he came up with on Apple II.
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j45 5 days ago 0 replies      
After seeing this, it might be the only remembrance about Steve Jobs I need to hear.

We rarely take a minute to make a stranger into a person, and Woz shows how friendship remains above all else. All we have is the memories we make and create together.

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javert 5 days ago 3 replies      
How does Woz saying that Steve Jobs was incredibly kind, sync up with the statment on Jobs' Wikipedia page that Jobs stole thousands of dollars from Woz when they were both at Atari [1]?

Is there something more to this story?

[1] search for $700 on Jobs' wikipedia page

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GR8K 5 days ago 0 replies      
Also available on AP's YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK_XEGrzHUo
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EREFUNDO 4 days ago 0 replies      
Steve Wozniak was the real tech wizard, but Steve Jobs was the visionary. Job's ability to empathize with users is beyond belief. He knew what people wanted before they even knew what they wanted. Bill Gates also had a strikingly similar vision. He famously said that "We have to figure out what a person needs that he doesn't know he needs. Then we make him realize that he does need it and we're the only ones who could give him the answer." Maybe he was copying Steve Jobs, wouldn't be the first time.
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bountyreaper 4 days ago 0 replies      
Best Steve Duo
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iancanderson 5 days ago 0 replies      
I'm glad Woz remembers Steve. It'd be weird if he didn't.
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Hacker News Front Page Snapshot from Last Night domador.net
527 points by dstein64  4 days ago   157 comments top 42
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MatthewB 4 days ago 3 replies      
I still can't believe Steve Jobs is gone. I don't think I've ever felt this sad about someone I've never met.

I always thought I would meet Steve eventually, especially since I finally moved to Silicon Valley recently. He will always be my hero and an inspiration to me in every aspect of my life.

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mike-cardwell 4 days ago 1 reply      
I would like to see what happened to the traffic on this site yesterday. I spent considerably less time here than average because of the lack of tech news.
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jessedhillon 4 days ago 2 replies      
Has anyone else noticed the black band (actually a table row) at the top of HN? I only noticed it yesterday, so I'm assuming it's pg's way of signifying that HN is mourning the loss of Steve Jobs.
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uniclaude 4 days ago 8 replies      
Two things are very interesting to me here:

- This 100% Steve Jobs page was actually organically generated.

- Several members of the community took screen/snapshots yesterday when they discovered the frontpage like this.

Those things make me realize how like-minded can some of the members in this community be.

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catshirt 4 days ago 1 reply      
in case it's not clear from the comments, op is most certainly a snapshot. surprisingly cooler than a screenshot.
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cwp 4 days ago 0 replies      
Actually, I had been offline all afternoon, and only learned of it when I opened up HN. I was stunned by the top story, and it was good 3 or 4 minutes before I noticed that the entire front page was devoted to Steve. At that point I got something in my eye and had to close my laptop.
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ck2 4 days ago 1 reply      
I've made a filtered feed that removes most of those stories

http://feeds.feedburner.com/hacker-news-filtered

I'll delete it after the weekend to respect PG (after the news-cycle finally breaks).

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petercooper 4 days ago 1 reply      
You can see every single hour at http://hackerslide.com/
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nec4b 4 days ago 0 replies      
For a community that takes pride in being intelectual, this is pretty sad and bordeline to religius worship. The black band and a single thread where one could express his appreciation for the deceased would be respectful and enough.
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ComputerGuru 4 days ago 4 replies      
If any man deserved this, Steve Jobs most certainly did.
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dstein64 4 days ago 2 replies      
This was the first time I have seen the entire front page consisting of articles on one topic. The snapshot is from 11pm PDT, and it is from a site that archives the Hacker News front page.
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DiabloD3 4 days ago 3 replies      
I counted last night that not only was the first page 30/30 Saint Jobs, but the second page was at least half Jobs.

Really, the man made an impact on everyone. I wonder why it took until he died for everyone to realize it?

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iqster 4 days ago 0 replies      
Like many here, I've been feeling really down because of Steve's passing. At first, it was confusing ... I never even met the guy. Why am I grieving so much? Seeing all the posts on HN and FB, it is comforting to know it's not just me who never met him, and yet is profoundly sad at his passing. He was a personal hero to so many of us.
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matthewlehner 4 days ago 1 reply      
This is good to see - I don't think any one person has had more influence on the way we use computers/technology than Steve did.

It felt good to know that someone with his vision also had the power to create and guide new technologies and inovations within many industries. Now that singular force is gone. Hopefully Apple, or the other major players are able to continue to innovate and not just add better specs and more features.

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mahyarm 4 days ago 1 reply      
I thought PG put a filter on only Steve Jobs stories because of his death.
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morsch 4 days ago 0 replies      
I took a screenshot of the Slashdot firehose (ie. the incoming/recent stories page, not the front page) when the news broke: http://morsch.soup.io/post/174107125/Steve-Jobs-Dead-At-56
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chj 4 days ago 0 replies      
A hacker doesn't have to write code to be respected.
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dlikhten 4 days ago 0 replies      
I was actually worried it would not go away. Fortunately today is back-to-business minus a few posts.
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robjohnson 4 days ago 0 replies      
This shows the incredible influence that Steve had on the tech community. Unlike others who have disrupted the world like him, we can at least be glad that he got to witness the incredible impact that he had.
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snippyhollow 4 days ago 0 replies      
I did this snapshot (we see more clearly):
http://i.imgur.com/pkT8z.png
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wazoox 4 days ago 0 replies      
I don't actually care about Steve Jobs death, despite my MacBook, my PowerBook 520c and my Apple //c. I'd probably be sad if Woz passed away.

The only public figure death that really saddened me at the time was Miles Davis'. I remember that so vividly.

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doc_larry 4 days ago 0 replies      
Steve's death just underlines how real his Stanford commencent speech hits home.
His life certainly had its ups and downs, but through it all he persevered and fought for that he felt was true and was worth it. Although his accomplishements went beyond what anyone would have possibly dreamed (aside from himself) there are so many people around us who are also heroes of the real world.
We mourn today a great man and in a sense we hold hommage to all of those people who strive to make this world a better place.
Rest in peace Steve, may God bless you and your family
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chokma 4 days ago 0 replies      
Hacker News: no other news on that day.

http://images.schedim.de/hacker_news_steve_jobs.png

(from Do 06 Okt 2011 09:15:01 CEST)

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artursapek 4 days ago 5 replies      
I got one as well. http://i.imgur.com/dZife.jpg

Unanimous, save for one story on Linux.

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dstein64 4 days ago 0 replies      
Here is a PDF that I captured at 11:34pm EST, that also has 30/30 articles on Steve Jobs. I was going to post a link to this, until I found the snapshot.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chro...

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BobSacamano 4 days ago 0 replies      
Here's my screen grab, 1:41 PM, 06-10-11, (UTC+09:30)
http://i.imgur.com/boohg.png
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nhebb 4 days ago 0 replies      
I did a screen grab at ~10:00 PM PST. I never planned on posting it, but I felt it was the "where were you when you found out JFK / Elvis / etc. died" moment of the tech generation and wanted to capture it.
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neetij 4 days ago 0 replies      
Noticed the same thing and started adding to a small collection of tributes from various sites: http://gim.ie/bfmX
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shreex 4 days ago 0 replies      
yet another screengrab 30/30: http://i.imgur.com/T3CxH.png
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cme 4 days ago 0 replies      
The way it should be!
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Nican 4 days ago 0 replies      
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adrianwaj 4 days ago 0 replies      
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supjeff 3 days ago 0 replies      
Leave the meta nonsense to reddit.
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j45 4 days ago 0 replies      
I have my screenshot too from last night. 8:57 PM PST.

http://i.imgur.com/SVokO.png

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antoncohen 4 days ago 0 replies      
30 of 30 at 8:52 PM PDT. The second page was about 25 of 30.

http://goo.gl/7o53T

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skatenerd 4 days ago 1 reply      
"sup dog"
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_moyo 4 days ago 0 replies      
yea u seen the same exact thing but different post
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macrael 4 days ago 0 replies      
Thank you for shareing. I'd feared that I wouldn't get to save that moment.
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0ffw0rlder 4 days ago 1 reply      
What is with the SJ worship on reddit/HN? Apple continues to make overpriced hardware (compare to T and W series thinkpads xD) which almost always sacrifices form for function. Want to put an esata/fibre/ port on your laptop? - only one MBP allows it. OS X is a toy os for people who don't want to run windows (excell/MSVS) or linux. Sure, put the iWhatever in the museum of modern art, but just about any business-clas laptop will run linux.
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Photoshop 'unblur' leaves MAX audience gasping for air 9to5mac.com
511 points by suivix  20 hours ago   114 comments top 30
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snikolov 18 hours ago 3 replies      
If you are wondering how they might be doing it, here is one approach that I saw in a computer vision class (no idea if they are doing anything similar to this)

(slides: http://cs.nyu.edu/~fergus/presentations/fergus_deblurring.pd... ~60 MB ppt)
paper: http://cs.nyu.edu/~fergus/papers/deblur_fergus.pdf (~10 MB pdf)
)

The basic idea is that you have an unknown original image and it is convolved with an unknown blurring kernel to produce the observed image. It turns out that problem is ill-posed. You could have a bizzare original image blurred with just the right bizzare blurring kernel to produce the observed image. So to estimate both the original image and the kernel, you have to minimize the reconstruction error with respect to the observed image, while penalizing unlikely blurring kernels or original images. If one extracts enough statistics from a dataset of natural images, one can tell whether an image is likely or not by comparing that image's statistics to the corresponding statistics of your dataset of natural images. Similarly, simple blurring kernels are favored over complex ones (think "short arc of motion" vs. "tracing the letters of a word with your camera")

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Geee 18 hours ago 5 replies      
It's called blind deconvolution. Blind means that they have to first estimate the original convolution/blur kernel and in the second phase, apply the deconvolution. If there's acceleration sensor on the camera, you can use data from that for the blur kernel.

It's nothing new really, but algorithms for it have advanced tremendously. For example, there's some results from 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqMW3OleLM4

Teuobk on HN also made a startup/app based on this, but it seems to be down now: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2460887

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Kliment 18 hours ago 3 replies      
The random anti-intellectual comments from the guys in the wheely chairs were extremely annoying and unfunny. This guy is there, showing something truly amazing, and they're all "What's an algorithm? Haha!". And they'll get away with it too.
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dlsspy 19 hours ago 2 replies      
Let me load the specially constructed set of parameters specific to this image so that when I do the next step you get a really clear image.

That was a little too hand-wavy. I'm a little dubious until I see what went into that phase.

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ck2 18 hours ago 2 replies      
I'm more impressed with that overhead display - seems impossible?

How does it disappear at the end - or is that a virtual digital overlay?

Wait, is the entire background rear projected, like a borderless movie theater screen? Must be massive resolution ?!

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benwerd 20 hours ago 2 replies      
Forensic police drama writers everywhere: vindicated.

This is seriously cool technology.

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po 19 hours ago 1 reply      
Does this work with just motion blur or also with aperture blur? It seems like they are calculating the motion of the camera so perhaps just the former.
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waitwhat 18 hours ago 2 replies      
How is this different from what FocusMagic http://www.focusmagic.com/ has been offering for over a decade?
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kstenerud 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Well, it KINDA looked like stuff was being unblurred, but it's really hard to tell with the camera panning around out of focus. The only part I could really be sure was actually unblurred was the phone number.
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alanh 19 hours ago 1 reply      
Been hoping for this for a while! The information is there, it's just distorted. Great to see Adobe keep pushing this kind of photo editing magic forward. I bet the maths are crazy.
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chrislo 18 hours ago 0 replies      
I believe the speaker mentioned this algorithm was based on the Point Spread Function[1] but modified to model the movement of the point in time. Dougherty has[2] a static PSF deconvolution implementation that is fun to play with.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_spread_function
[2] http://www.optinav.com/Iterative-Deconvolution.htm

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Aloisius 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Can this overcome some of the soft blurring media companies/journalists use to hide naughty bits and to protect identities?
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51Cards 19 hours ago 0 replies      
Now that is a feature I would upgrade for.
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kondro 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Now all Photoshop needs is an unCrash feature.
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bartwe 18 hours ago 0 replies      
To me it seems the magic is in getting the blur kernel in the first place, how do you get that ?
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nethsix 19 hours ago 2 replies      
I suppose this is more of image sharpening rather than reconstruction. Is this very different from technology on cameras/phones that tries to reduce of photo blurness due to unsteady hands?
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shazam 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Wish they applied that algorithm on the video...
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daimyoyo 16 hours ago 1 reply      
What they should do is partner with a DSLR maker and put this in the firmware of the camera itself. Imagine one button blur correction. That'd be amazing.
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KevinEldon 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I've read a few of the very technical responses and they are great, but, for me, the take away was the audience response. It's exactly what I look for when I write software. I want that gasp, that moment where someone realizes they can do a hard thing much easier. Where they realize that they just got a few moments of time back.
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natex 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Imagemagick can already use this "algorithm". See "fourier transform" applications such as:

http://www.fmwconcepts.com/imagemagick/fourier_transforms/fo...)

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TelmoMenezes 16 hours ago 2 replies      
So now we need blurring algorithms that cause actual information loss (I'm sure they already exist, but now there's suddenly a bigger market for them).
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oomkiller 19 hours ago 0 replies      
Maybe they could apply this technology to Flash, so that video streaming on YouTube isn't so blurry :
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goodweeds 18 hours ago 1 reply      
Is this much different than the Lytro "focus later" camera? http://www.lytro.com/. I don't know much about imaging, but I've been drooling over the demos I've seen online.
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dextorious 11 hours ago 0 replies      
My version of Photoshop had that feature for years.

1) Load image.
2) Filter -> Gaussian Blur
3) Undo

;-)

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ibuildthings 15 hours ago 0 replies      
One of the tricky thrones in this method is extracting/guessing the camera motion path purely from image measurements. Better the estimate, the better the deblur kernel will be. What might be cool is if they can extract out meta-information using some kind of inertial and gyroscope-akin sensors (which are fast becoming standard in phones and cameras), which can supplement the motion path computation algorithm.
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zwischenzug 19 hours ago 0 replies      
So who shot Kennedy?
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kr1shna 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Need this for my wife. Will that camera's RAW format need to be compatible with this algorithm?
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georgieporgie 18 hours ago 5 replies      
So, why did the whole video look really fake? It seemed to bob around in a very predictable manner. When the first sharpening took effect, it panned and zoomed exactly in time with the appearance of the second image.

I'm not claiming the demo is fake, I'm just wondering why the video looks so strange.

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Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litigation joda.org
500 points by mcantelon  5 days ago   121 comments top 16
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dendory 5 days ago  replies      
Every day we see bat-shit-crazy lawsuits over patents and trademarks that have a huge impact on society, for no good reason but corporate greed. If the company follows through it means any computer system that lists possible time zones would be at risk since the original data came from a source that this company bought. Not surprised one bit by this.
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ig1 5 days ago 2 replies      
The problem is that Olson is clearly derived from a copyright source and it's not clear that's it's protected by any of the fair use clauses.

The timezone data should have been derived from primary sources (legislation in the particular countries, etc.), by deriving from a secondary source which may have used editorial judgement in compiling that data there is potentially a genuine copyright issue.

It should be possible to rewrite Olson without using a secondary source (if it's not then it would imply that there is a clear copyright violation) and that's what the community should attempt to do.

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civilian 4 days ago 1 reply      
Just tell Astrolabe what you think of them on their facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Astrolabe-Astrology-Software-a...
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muuh-gnu 5 days ago 10 replies      
Can somebody explain what benefits we have from having time zones _at all_? They are an absolute mess: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/World_Tim... Wouldnt it be easier to have one time for the whole planet, like we have one date for the whole planet? Is there some reasoning behind it or is it just another case of historical baggage? There seems to be no other rationale behind it than allies and trading partners wanting to have the same or comparable time display.
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sp332 5 days ago 0 replies      
If you need the latest version, Archive Team got a backup and put it on the Internet Archive http://www.archive.org/details/archiveteam-munari-oz-au-2011...
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varikin 5 days ago 5 replies      
Can someone explain how this will affect me? Will my code break because the server is down or is this more of an issue for populating the time zone data for OS and language libraries?
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doc_larry 5 days ago 1 reply      
We rely on heavily on timezone databases and when designing our app had a a lot of debate on what would be the best way to go. We opted for a hybrid solution implementing several options with redundency
Never in our wildest dreams did we imagine that the Unix TMZ database would be compromised in such a a way.
Just goes to show that you can never think of all contigencies, but good planning and foresight is essential.
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jeza 5 days ago 0 replies      
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quellhorst 5 days ago 1 reply      
If this continues, we'll need a pirate bay for open source.
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guard-of-terra 4 days ago 0 replies      
I'm surprised that their (astrolabe) website is still up. Where's anonymous with their LOICs when they are needed desperately?
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larrik 4 days ago 1 reply      
Serious question: Why do we need the old almanac entries anyway?

I can see current and future, but the almanac's data seems worthless to me.

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apaprocki 5 days ago 0 replies      
Not sure if any IP lawyers are reading and could comment. Would it be helpful to a case like this to crowd-source finding prior published art for the specific ACS references in the files? This would be ideal for something like Groklaw to pick up.
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squeed 5 days ago 2 replies      
Interestingly enough, the database is definitely copyrighted work in Europe. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_right.
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antihero 4 days ago 0 replies      
Why are they shutting it down? Why don't they just update those entries to use a different source?
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dsl 5 days ago 1 reply      
Uh oh. Hopefully someone made a copy! :)
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alinajaf 4 days ago 1 reply      
Slightly off-topic but here's a question about patents that I just can't wrap my head around. Could you patent the contents of an RFC? If so, is it possible for a company to patent the contents of all RFC's pertaining to TCP/IP and then essentially own the internet?
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Overtone imagine27.com
481 points by wglb  3 days ago   73 comments top 20
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jianshen 3 days ago 2 replies      
This is what Hollywood thinks most coding is like in the world. One shot, no bugs and pure creation. All in a highly customized and beautifully responsive editing environment.

Seriously though, thanks for posting this. I think music coders deserve special attention because they mix creativity and logic together so well.

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ehsanu1 2 days ago 1 reply      
Thia isn't overtone, but here's some very impressive livecoding in scheme/impromptu (http://impromptu.moso.com.au/), building up to a wonderful piano improvisation which has a very natural feel: http://vimeo.com/2433947
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DonnyV 2 days ago 6 replies      
I'm not really sure what you would use this for. I'm a musician and I can't possibly find any use for this. It would take forever to write a song in this and then you would have to mess with the timings just to make it not sound like a programmed piece of music and give it some feel.
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eegilbert 3 days ago 2 replies      
This is great. Thank you. If you're interested in this stuff, also take a look at ChucK, a project out of Princeton's CS & Music departments. I've been extremely happy with its results when generating backgrounds for videos, for instance.

http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu

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FuzzyDunlop 2 days ago 1 reply      
This really interests me, being a musician as well. The idea of coding music (and not just programming a synth or whatever) has never occurred to me before and I really fancy spending an evening or two with this to see what happens.

My only dislike with increasingly virtual instruments, however, is that I don't really get the same sort of involvement out of using them. I can bang out some fairly decent beats with my PadKontrol but it makes me long for my old, battered drum kit, and the band practices where I'd lay down a beat and just let myself get lost in it all as the guitarists and bassist improvised over it.

What you gain in technology (and all the amazing things you can do with it) you lose in that sense of physicality.

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Raphael 3 days ago 5 replies      
Interesting how his command line glows and shows CRT-like distortions. Is that actually how it looks, or is that post-processing applied to the video?
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muyuu 3 days ago 1 reply      
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jcfrei 3 days ago 1 reply      
here's the project website: http://overtone.github.com/
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moomin 2 days ago 0 replies      
I was lucky enough to see Sam Aaron rehearse his ClojureConj course at skillsmatter last week. The room was full of musicians who know Clojure. Personally, I think overtone has potential. It's already usable as an alternative synth design tool (beats the hell out of visual design). As for taking on Cubase... There are all sorts of features it doesn't have (like a usable UI), but as sam says... pull requests are welcome. :)
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rorrr 3 days ago 1 reply      
It was amazing to watch him write the flawless LISP code.

The project itself is interesting, but very niche.

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mcav 3 days ago 1 reply      
Overtone looks fantastic, and I've been meaning to really look into it for a while now. It seems to be an active project with a lot of momentum. I was writing something similar in Clojure, but more directly musically focused rather than on sound synths, before I found overtone. I tried installing it once a while ago, but had trouble getting SuperCollider to install and work with overtone.

Are there any overtone-related gatherings in the bay area?

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przemoc 3 days ago 0 replies      
Sounds (and looks) interesting.

BTW After watching it I've finally submitted my first Ask HN:

What are your music prototyping solutions?

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3089259

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moultano 2 days ago 1 reply      
If you like this, check out nyquist.
Lisp for audio programming: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~music/nyquist/
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sbochins 2 days ago 0 replies      
This is very cool. I remember there was another clojure music library that came out several months ago. It was very cool, but nowhere near as cool and extensible as this.

EDIT: this was the library I was thinking of http://mad.emotionull.com/

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malkia 1 day ago 0 replies      
Somehow this resonates with me as a game developer, and actually Naughty Dog's use of Lisp (common lisp) got me into learning it, but slowly has been moved to lua (but can see the difficulties in using lua as live coding language)

pretty cool, and also started using emacs since then....

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mikefox 2 days ago 0 replies      
I'm seeing educational value in this, musical output as a way of teaching programming to beginners, especially to auditory learners (or to the blind, for that matter). Is there anything out there like this that's specifically intended as an educational tool?
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wylie 3 days ago 1 reply      
I'm so glad that somebody built a better front-end for SuperCollider. It's badly in need of a better guide and tutorial for new users, and this seems like an excellent way to go about it.
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dplakon 2 days ago 3 replies      
Max/MSP is this times a million. check it out if you haven't heard of it. cycling74.com it does the exact same things but with more options, complexity, and a more usable interface. It also has visual fx.
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chrisrickard 2 days ago 0 replies      
As a musician & coder, i have always been intrigued by this idea.. it does seem like a tricky process to "play" live - but still - could be pretty fun
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nicklovescode 3 days ago 0 replies      
I have a hell of an upvote waiting for the person who ports this to the Audio Data API
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0day vulnerability full disclosure: American Express qnrq.se
472 points by michiel3  5 days ago   163 comments top 36
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jgrahamc 5 days ago 4 replies      
Some years ago when I was doing more stuff in spam and phishing I came across a phishing site for a small US bank. The list of phished card details was available through the interface and it was clear that there were some real people local to the bank who had given their name, address, card number, PIN, SSN, ... everything.

I decided to contact the bank. After filling in the form for contact on their web site giving all the details of the site, I did get an email back and eventually I got someone on the phone. This person (who said they were in charge of bank computer security) thanked me and said that they were going to try to deal with it (I had also contacted the school district whose computer was hosting the site to get it shut down).

I then told this person that there were real account details on the phisher site and would they like the list of people's account numbers so they could inform their customer/shut down their debit card etc. The bank officer replied, "No." As far as they were concerned the people who were that stupid got what they deserved.

I was flabbergasted, but couldn't do much to make the bank do something.

So, using the names and addresses of the people from the phishing site I managed to track a couple of them down (they were small businesses whose business addresses were available on the web) and phoned them up so they would be alerted. They took it pretty well considering that some weird British guy was calling them from France to tell them their US bank account details were at risk.

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duncan_bayne 5 days ago  replies      
Typing this up in real time ...

I called American Express Australia to report the defect & I was transferred through to the American call centre.

The CSR to whom I spoke transferred me through to a different department, after I explained that I didn't have an account. She did ask whether "I received an email" which I assume was some sort of inquiry as to whether I had been phished.

I then spoke to an online services rep., who after asking for my card number, listened to my report. She then put me on hold.

(The call had taken 10 minutes by this time).

After a few more minutes on hold, the CSR came back on the line, asked me to repeat the information, and confirmed for the umpteenth time that I don't have an American Express card. I explained that it wasn't my find, but that it had been published online & so was by now _very_ public.

(15 minutes by this time, most of that on hold listening to advertising for American Express, including some ironic praise for their website).

CSR comes back on the line. She's spoken to her 'technical team' who assure me that there's nothing insecure going on because it's all over HTTPS. So I politely walked her through the process - visit the page, add ?debug to the URL, click the admin link & behold: lots of should-be-secure stuff.

At this point she thanks me profusely, & asks that I hold while she speaks to her supervisor. Back to the American Express ads ...

(20 minutes at this point).

The CSR came back on the line, thanked me again, & said that her supervisor had taken a screenshot of the issue & escalated it. Job done.

So, yeah, I can totally understand the frustration experienced by the guy who discovered the vulnerability. But it certainly wasn't impossible for me to report the issue, & I'm in Australia.

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maxniederhofer 5 days ago 7 replies      
They knew this was open. They even took it out of their robots.txt :)

https://www.americanexpress.com/robots.txt

User-agent: *
Disallow: /us/admin/
Disallow: /us/heroes/
Allow:

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Nitramp 5 days ago 3 replies      
The author should have contacted the email addresses given in the DNS WHOIS (amexdns@aexp.com, gtld@aexp.com) and the obvious aliases (security@...).

However I can understand and sympathize, it's enraging how hard it is to get into contact with a person of any kind at certain companies (KLM/Air France, I'm looking at you). I understand they want to save money, but if you run a business, you have to be contactable in one way or another. And snail mail as the last option really doesn't cut it in the 21st century.

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jgrahamc 5 days ago 0 replies      
Wow. All you need to do to activate this is append ?debug to the main American Express URL: https://www.americanexpress.com/?debug
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uptown 5 days ago 4 replies      
Here's something I learned from AMEX last week ... if one of your cards gets compromised and you cancel the card, AMEX will continue to allow charges to flow through that old "canceled" number to your newly issued number if those charges are coming from a "trusted recurring entity". I discovered that charges were continuing to flow through a number that I'd canceled due to it being compromised even though I thought it'd been nullified. AMEX explained that their policy is to allow these charges to continue, and it took a number of months before I caught the problem because the charge was coming from a business I continued to have business with. Apparently the person that stole my number had setup a recurring charge with this business as well. To their credit, AMEX removed all of these charges even though they spanned a number of months ... but it caught me completely by surprise that a number I though was canceled was still allowing charges to flow through it.
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epenn 5 days ago 2 replies      
When a major company, especially a financial services company, is subject to public security vulnerability disclosures like this, it should really make other companies stand up and take notice. There is absolutely no excuse for these kinds of vulnerabilities to exist on a production system. When Citibank was recently hacked by simply changing the account number in URLs, that should have been enough for other financial institutions to do an internal security audit to make sure they weren't susceptible to anything similar. Don't wait until it's too late. For the sake of their customers I hope this is resolved swiftly.
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demetris 5 days ago 1 reply      
The first three Twitter messages by the vulnerability reporter are:

“@AmericanExpress Who can I contact regarding security vulnerabilities in your system? I'm not available through phone, physical mail or fax”

“@AmericanExpress Just to clarify: I have vulnerabilities. This should be "urgent", so no technical support jungle please :-)”

“@AmericanExpress I've been trying to get in touch with AMEX regarding security vulnerabilities in your system for a while. Who do I speak to?”

I think this is not ideally expressive language when you talk to a lay-person representative on Twitter. I believe a better result could be achieved with simpler and clearer language:

“@AmericanExpress I have discovered a serious security issue in your web system (money can be stolen). Please help me report it to someone responsible.”

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chaz 5 days ago 0 replies      
Next time, I would try reaching their Public Relations group for help. PR people are almost always accessible by name, phone, and email -- they're usually on the bottom of every press release that goes out. They also have good internal channels to every part of the company and know who to contact.

Googling for "american express public relations" turns up a page with three NY-based vice presidents, with direct lines and email addresses listed: http://about.americanexpress.com/news/media_contacts.aspx

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InclinedPlane 5 days ago 1 reply      
Unrelated, it looks like someone at AmEx finally improved their crazy, broken password system at least, this used to be the password requirement:

"Your Password should contain 6 to 8 characters . at least one letter and one number (not case sensitive), contain no spaces or special characters (e.g. &, >, , $, @) and be different from your User ID."*

Now it's this:

"Your Password must be different from your User ID, must contain 8 to 20 characters, including one letter and number, may include the following characters: %,&, _, ?, #, =, -, cannot have any spaces and will not be case sensitive."

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rgarcia 5 days ago 2 replies      
Can someone explain the origin or meaning of the word "hero" to describe primary marketing/call to action sections? I saw it first in the twitter bootstrap code [1], and now here.

[1] view-source: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/examples/hero.html

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Robin_Message 5 days ago 2 replies      
Surely a DM message to the AskAmex account, with some actual details written in clear English, not jargon or "hacker lingo stuff" would have been more suitable? Or asking someone on here like Thomas to make a phone call?

I understand the argument between full disclosure and responsible disclosure, but if the author could have DM'd it on Twitter. Or posted it on Twitter wholesale, since its now public anyway.

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avree 5 days ago 3 replies      
It's amazing that such a huge oversight can be made. I hope American Express doesn't try to sue this guy.
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sudonim 5 days ago 2 replies      
Does going to the url https://www.americanexpress.com/us/admin/ constitute "computer hacking"? It's not protected in any way, shape or form.
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ch0wn 5 days ago 1 reply      
Oh wow, unprotected admin tools and an XSS vulnerability on their main homepage that is used for customer logins. That's pretty bad.
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yahelc 5 days ago 0 replies      
This is kind of a cool debug interface. Anyone feel like forking it and putting it on Github?
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viraptor 5 days ago 0 replies      
This is crazy... when you go to the admin panel https://www.americanexpress.com/us/admin/ you actually get access to user cookies (session ids) which probably allow you to hijack their session (haven't tried it in case it's going to be traced back...)
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danso 5 days ago 0 replies      
For the longest time, American Express had a password system that only allowed 8 alphanumeric characters and was case-INSENSITIVE.

Moreover, sometimes the AJAX used to submit your payments did not activate, and often, no feedback at all was given if a payment did go through.

This kind of vulnerability seems par for course for their tech team.

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gcp 5 days ago 0 replies      
FWIW, on his homepage there's also a nice small vulnerability in reCAPTCHA. The Google developer who wrote the buggy code actually had to do a hack to shut up PHP warnings about it. Duuuh...
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aiham 5 days ago 1 reply      
// don't ask me how exactly, but this gets the main domain froma hostname;

This explains a lot. What I don't understand though, is why this guy, who doesn't understand basic regular expressions (the expression is also wrong), is working on the American Express website.

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jcromartie 5 days ago 1 reply      
The admin page is still there. Amazing.
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jrockway 5 days ago 0 replies      
So 90 comments and no mention of "didn't he try emailing security@americanexpress.com". That would be my first step, not harassing a marketing account on Twitter. Marketing campaigns are often run by third-party companies. Whoever gets security@ emails, not so much.

If you want to inflate your ego, post to full-disclosure; don't annoy people on Twitter and blog about it.

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rdl 5 days ago 0 replies      
I don't consider telephone contact for security vulnerabilities to be that unreasonable. They should support PGP encrypted email, yes, and have a page about how to report incidents, issue tracking numbers, etc., but it took me ~3 minutes on the phone to get the right info for Amex corporate security.
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gospelwut 5 days ago 1 reply      
google + "Amex security response team" = eirp@aexp.com

also

http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/l2uzj/0day_full_disc...

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slpollack 5 days ago 1 reply      
I work at AXP and have escalated internally
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eykanal 5 days ago 0 replies      
Check out the site now, it looks like this has been fixed. At the very least, not bad response time on their part once they got wind of it.
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funkah 5 days ago 0 replies      
Ugh, it would just be easier to sell the vuln than try to inform one of these clueless dinosaur companies about it. I know why companies like Amex build these giant fortresses around their communications, but they should be more cognizant of the damage that can cause.
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nyellin 5 days ago 4 replies      
I empathize with the developer, but this disclosure is wildly irresponsible.

It's a pain contacting live representatives at any large corporation. When you're dealing with the financial industry, you should grit your teeth and find a way to do it anyway. If you have no choice, publish a warning about the exploit, but don't release all the details without a long warning period.

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eric-hu 5 days ago 0 replies      
08:39 PST: the page says it's removed for me.

https://www.americanexpress.com/us/admin/

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mml 5 days ago 0 replies      
Target.com had an almost identical problem on their newly designed site (years in the making).
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clistctrl 5 days ago 0 replies      
Wow. This is a huge vulnerability. I hope they fix this very soon. The cognitive dissonance going on with that twitter conversation makes me think he was talking to a bot. Also I love the "These cookies are secure" bit on the admin interface.
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simon_weber 5 days ago 0 replies      
Unfortunately, I've had this kind of difficulty far too often when reaching out to large companies with disclosures. Most recently, the only thing that worked was blasting off an email to all the internal people I could find through google: the CTO, vp of engineering, and head of support were on the list, as were a few lower level employees. The lower level got back to me right away, eager to cc the CTO on their response =)
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mkramlich 5 days ago 0 replies      
protip: if you're a bank or credit card company you need top security folks and procedures. just a thought.
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john_b 5 days ago 0 replies      
Since AMEX caters to wealthier customers you would think that they would be on top of this kind of thing...
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JoshTriplett 5 days ago 0 replies      
Hence the bug report. :) Misconfiguration, most likely.
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fred10 5 days ago 2 replies      
I don't think this is anything dangerous. All the data is static, its just some sort of demo. It doesn't matter who goes to the page, they will always get the same data, it never changes. I'm not a customer so can't try once logged in. If I was to wildly speculate, I'd say honeypot.
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Colbert tribute to Steve Jobs techcrunch.com
474 points by jasontan  4 days ago   53 comments top 17
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quizbiz 4 days ago 0 replies      
One of my favorite Benjamin Franklin quotes is:

    I have sometimes wish'd it had been my destiny to have 
been born two or three centuries hence.

I wonder if Steve Jobs felt the same way. I would like to believe that the visionary that he was, his peaceful end was comforted by the fact that all that he envisioned was all on the right path. His few dreams that were not already made reality would soon reach millions. Not only that, but millions if not billions of people around the world now understand his vision, not just the beauty and application of his products, but the implications of a future of grand dreams and great taste.

I will forever regret never meeting the man.
But I was never worth his time.

Now he has all the time in the world to relax with the greats: http://bit.ly/ng7PmU

He gave us platforms. Now it's in our hands.

---

Steve knew his calling and thus the world took so much of his precious time. Less than 60 years of life: We shall forever make the best of it as he rests in peace.

The clip affected me more than anything thus far. I think I'm ready to move on now, he gave so much but the world demands so much more. For now, I think I'm done up-voting Steve Jobs.

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OpenAmazing 4 days ago 7 replies      
It's the comedians that always say it best.

Colbert's short little clip here (especially the very powerful ending) and the Onion's article are the two most touching pieces I've read on Steve Jobs.

It reminds me of the Onion's "Holy Fucking Shit" piece after September 11th. That did a lot to snap Americans back to reality and help us mourn.

Has it always been the case that the funny people are the best at helping us (group, nation, community) mourn? Or is just that, these days, the wisest and people (in media) happen to be comedians?

edit: grammar

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Hrundi 4 days ago 3 replies      
This comment of mine is a bit off topic, since its not related to Steve Jobs:

I'm from Argentina and I've been watching Colbert and Jon Stewart for about 3 years now. I'm simply amazed every day when I see both shows. There's nothing I would like more than to see this format of television being brought to Argentina, but I doubt it.

What I want to say is: People in the US, you are VERY lucky for having these shows on air. Please, don't take them for granted. Treasure them!!!

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rlivsey 4 days ago 1 reply      
The TechCrunch video didn't work here on my iPad, I assume it's flash.

There's one on Gawker which works: http://gawker.com/5847556/watch-stephen-colberts-tribute-to-...

Edit: s/it/it's

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tiles 4 days ago 0 replies      
Very good delivery. I like how he very tactfully conveyed, maybe not stories about the man or his accomplishments, but how it marks the end of those contributions-- there won't be any more one liner emails, new product announcements, etc. that the tech industry has become so accustomed to over the years. It's a new era now. I wonder how we'll come to define it.
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navs 4 days ago 1 reply      
Really choked up in those final few seconds. It felt sincere. Very classy.
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cleverjake 4 days ago 0 replies      
one of the better ones, in my opinion.
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vanhoosear 4 days ago 1 reply      
I've been dry eyed the past two days, but this put me over the edge. Classy, Colbert. Classy...
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dr_ 3 days ago 0 replies      
There was something particularly touching about this. I think it was the words "Thank You", where you felt it wasn't coming from "The Colbert Report" Colbert, but the actual Stephen Colbert himself.
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faramarz 4 days ago 4 replies      
How can I watch this clip in Canada? :(
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andrewljohnson 3 days ago 0 replies      
If you click Learn More in SJ's bio on TC, it says things like "Steve Jobs added a position at Pixar."

Is this for real, or is this a scammy word game Crunchbase plays to add credence to the entries?

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felipemnoa 4 days ago 1 reply      
The part where he is trying to "sexually" lick the ipad is hilarious!
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chrchang 3 days ago 1 reply      
It is touching to see the human element from idols who have always put on a public face. In this case, Colbert's character put away for a moment, which let you see the person behind the mask. Steve Job's death adds the human element to his legendary career and persona, which is what has captivated me the most. I look forward to reading Steve Job's biography to better understand one of the people that I most admire.
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anoother 4 days ago 3 replies      
Anyone got a version that's viewable outside the US?
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Gaussian 3 days ago 0 replies      
Quick wit. Deft touch. Well done.
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RexRollman 4 days ago 0 replies      
That was awesome.
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hpguy 3 days ago 1 reply      
Did he really type those 2 lines using 2 thumbs in 7 seconds?
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President Obama on Steve Jobs: "He Changed the Way Each of Us Sees the World" whitehouse.gov
467 points by hornokplease  6 days ago   60 comments top 7
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coderdude 5 days ago 3 replies      
You know you're a big deal when the president of the United States makes a statement about your death just hours after the news breaks.
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abbasmehdi 5 days ago 1 reply      
"And there may be no greater tribute to Steve's success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented." <--- This is most telling.
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kamechan 5 days ago 2 replies      
"Steve was among the greatest of American innovators - brave enough to think differently, bold enough to believe he could change the world, and talented enough to do it."

"think differently" <-- i wonder if this was intentional.

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yesreally 4 days ago 0 replies      
And yet, he uses a Blackberry.
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r0s 5 days ago 2 replies      
That's a bit hyperbolic.
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maratd 5 days ago 1 reply      
Mr. Jobs was an amazing person. I sincerely hope the President is mourning his loss. Unfortunately, his prior statements make me wonder whether he truly understood what Mr. Jobs added to our culture through the inventions he helped pioneer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7...

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Tell HN: I just open-sourced the e-mail client I spent 2 years of my life on github.com
461 points by waseemsadiq  4 days ago   129 comments top 38
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e1ven 4 days ago 5 replies      
It looks like this was forked from (or to) an iPad version?
It's probably a lot easier to sell there, granted.

It looks like a nice client- What are it's distinguishing features? What needs help? What are your intentions now- To throw it out there, or keep building it?

Are there binaries?

How are you handling the Messages in-memory? I'm looking for a mail client that can handle my multi-hundred-thousand email inbox, but everyone except Mulberry tends to have a problem ;)

Looks really sharp. Kinda reminds me of FF with the tabs at the top.

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biot 4 days ago 1 reply      
From the blog:

  > For the last one week, a considerable number of people who
> have downloaded the Inbox2 app have had issues.
>
> The main reason for this was that our infrastructure was not
> scaling fast enough at the rate the app was being downloaded. 

Why does an email client depend on your infrastructure?

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mrschwabe 4 days ago 1 reply      
Impressive looking product. Your efforts shine through. Great work man.

Now I will ask the inevitable question: why did you open source it?

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achompas 4 days ago 0 replies      
Congrats on creating such a nice client. And in C#, no less!

Your title implies that your hand might've been forced here. Was that the case? Would you have preferred to keep it closed?

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qrush 4 days ago  replies      
What license is this under? :(
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krmmalik 4 days ago 3 replies      
PS. Just in case you're all wondering, their company name "Tabdelee" is Urdu for "change" as in 'We want to change the world '
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joelthelion 4 days ago 0 replies      
Does this work on Linux with Mono?
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philipthrasher 4 days ago 1 reply      
Could it be? Someone has finally made an aesthetically pleasing Windows App?

Thank you for being design conscious. If only more developers like you existed on that platform.

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kevinherron 4 days ago 1 reply      
Anybody want to build and host the binary somewhere? I tried to build in Visual C# Express 2010 and was unsuccessful...
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websymphony 4 days ago 0 replies      
Kudos to you for taking such a brave decision. Can we know the story behind it?
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a3_nm 4 days ago 0 replies      
The github page has a screenshot, but no features list. It could be a good idea to add one. Right now, I still don't have any idea of what makes your email client different from any other, and why I would want to use it.
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donniefitz2 4 days ago 0 replies      
This is awesome. I've been looking for something like this for Windows for a long time. You put some serious effort into this and it's beautiful.

FYI - for those looking to run this: open the non-64 bit solution, build it, then go to the installer directory and run the windows installer. Works really nicely.

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krmmalik 4 days ago 1 reply      
Just got really excited about this and tried it on my iPad. I managed to set the accounts up no problem but on downloading data it just keeps bombing out on me, and now i cant get back into the app.
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biot 4 days ago 0 replies      
They relaxed the Objective C only position quite some time ago.
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itsnotvalid 2 days ago 0 replies      
I used it may be once when it was in beta and then never touched. The thing is, C# as well as Java have poor startup time which becomes the biggest problem of using any of such applications.

I don't always have a SSD on my computers.

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chriseidhof 4 days ago 0 replies      
I also wondered about the story. Looks like they made an iPad version instead: http://www.inbox2.com
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r4vik 4 days ago 0 replies      
Looks great, maybe you can monetise it by bundling some add on web services? xobni / rapportive / cloud backup & search?
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alanh 4 days ago 2 replies      
One of the most Mac-like Windows apps I have ever seen, barring iTunes & Safari, of course.
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suhastech 4 days ago 1 reply      
He started writing this just to open source it...

http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=waseemsadiq

Cool!

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tomkinstinch 4 days ago 0 replies      
Looks good! It reminds me of Sparrow for Mac a bit.
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vandahm 4 days ago 0 replies      
This looks amazing, and I'm looking forward to compiling and running it on my Windows machine later today. I'm accustomed to simple and elegant apps like Sparrow and Mail.app on OS X and get really frustrated when I have to use clunky Windows mail readers. This looks like a huge step forward in many ways. Great job, and thanks for sharing.
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firefoxman1 4 days ago 0 replies      
Wow, as soon as I saw the screenshot I thought: "Beautiful." It kind of reminds me of the Mozilla Raindrop project. That is just a really great UI.
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suhastech 4 days ago 0 replies      
I think I was using your inbox2.com web version. I was a fan of that. I know, this might be too much to ask, but can you open source that too?

The thing is, I've have never quite learnt to parse raw mime email. I don't quite get the million RFC rules imposed.

And great work!

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jstepien 4 days ago 2 replies      
Could we a have a binary version, please? It would definitely help evaluating your project.
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mcantelon 4 days ago 0 replies      
A good addition to the readme might be to say what operating system it's for.
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Soliah 3 days ago 0 replies      
Just browsing the code on Github I noticed that there aren't any unit tests. I'd be interested in seeing what type of testing you did.
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Blunt 4 days ago 2 replies      
First of all, Thank you for the contribution to the OSS community but I just have to ask one question. With all the language wars and what not:

1. This is written in C#, correct?
2. Two full years of your life - do you literally mean 40+ Hours/week?

If this took two full years as in 40hours/week or working on it full time, I'm shocked it took two years. SMTP, POP3, and IMAPv4 are exceedingly simple protocols and the UI just seems to look like standard controls, no custom UI elements. Just had to ask.

I know I could probably whip together a decent email client in C++ within a couple months from scratch and maybe a week or two if I used any number of libraries out there.

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malux85 4 days ago 0 replies      
Swish. Very sexy. I love it
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emp_ 4 days ago 1 reply      
98 compilation errors out of the box, this is going to be a long afternoon, but looks like it's worth it!
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alimbada 4 days ago 0 replies      
My first thought was "oh, another e-mail client", but it has some very nifty features. Well done.

Sent a pull request, by the way.

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kvnn 4 days ago 0 replies      
The screenshot looks amazing. You should be proud! Well done!

Are you planning to make a profit? Did you always intend to open source it?

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hm2k 4 days ago 2 replies      
So where do I download the binary for windows?
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nihilius 4 days ago 2 replies      
http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/report.html?id=0a425d193...

Jiangmin 13.0.900 2011.10.07 Adware/Agent.gmc

False Scan or Thread?

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qasar 4 days ago 1 reply      
Good work Waseem/Khuram. Inbox2 going to live on for the iPad? Moving into 500?
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gtrak 4 days ago 1 reply      
is the ipad port also in C#? How do you make something so native-looking?
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AmazingBytecode 4 days ago 0 replies      
Thank you. I admire your contribution to the public.
:)
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nalidixic 4 days ago 2 replies      
Any blog links?
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frankydp 3 days ago 0 replies      
Beautiful. Big fan.
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Photojojo, Jelly founder needs bone marrow match to save his life amitgupta.com
450 points by ck2  4 days ago   74 comments top 31
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pitdesi 4 days ago 1 reply      
I don't know Amit personally but have interacted with him a bunch because he's a customer, and he is a really awesome guy.

If you are in Chicago and South Asian, I'm hosting an event next Thursday where we'll be doing cheek swabs:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=160586174028348

If in New York, there is an event next Friday:
http://brownbones.eventbrite.com/

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jeremymims 4 days ago 0 replies      
Amit Gupta is a big reason I moved to New York City and one of the reasons I wanted to be a startup founder. He is talented, giving, and above all, kind to everyone around him.

Most people don't realize that the startup scene in New York City today really started at House 2.0, his apartment in the Garment District. It's where many future founders came to interact, share ideas, and get out of their own homes (and heads). Many many positive people and contributions to the New York Tech scene came out of his initial generosity. Even though he lives in San Francisco now, the New York startup scene wouldn't have been so strong without his initial contributions (including BarCamp).

I e-mailed Amit out of the blue in early 2006 to ask him if I could attend the next Jelly meetup. His response helped change my life:

Hey Jeremy,

Glad to have you aboard! I'll add you to the list.

Be well,
Amit

He is the best kind of entrepreneur and one hell of a human being. I humbly ask that we as a community do all that we can to help him.

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davidu 4 days ago 3 replies      
Fuck Cancer.

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[Edit: Anyone who has gone through it, or has had loved ones deal with it knows what I'm talking about.]

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diolpah 4 days ago 5 replies      
Here's an unpopular thought, but one that may not be on the list of "things too taboo to think about" for HN readers.

What if marrow donation was a for-profit industry, or at the very least a nonprofit or government-run industry that allowed people to sell their marrow at market prices? Would Amit and thousands of others in his position be resorting to begging for access to life-saving treatments, or being put on waiting lists that are far too long relative to their prognosis?

My guess is no, with the exception of people too poor to afford access to such materials - which are already so cost prohibitive that this is already a problem. I've never understood why the notion of making a market in organs and other medical materials is such taboo.

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mikeryan 4 days ago 2 replies      
Just a note, even if you're not South Asian and able to help Amit, thousands of people are diagnosed with Leukemia and other diseases which may require a marrow transplant. Take the test he linked to, it may help save a life.

http://www.marrow.org/Join/Join_Now/Join_Now.aspx

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joshklein 4 days ago 0 replies      
I met Amit once at an NYC co-working Jelly event. Miraculously, he identified me from my Twitter picture and blog, and immediately talked to me like I was an old friend. So that's how I'm going to describe him when I ask my friends to get tested for compatibility.
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r4vik 4 days ago 1 reply      
I tried to sign up but it disallows me from doing so as I'm not in the USA. which does make sense from an admin/legal perspective.

However, if he needs South Asian bone marrow, isn't the best place to look South Asia?

Is there an ethnic minority international bone marrow donor system anywhere?

Maybe we should build one?
[edit]
http://www.wired.com/medtech/genetics/news/2007/03/MATCHPIA
looks like someone came to a similar conclusion
[/edit]

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cptskippy 4 days ago 2 replies      
Appeals like this always bother me. You can weed out incompatible donors by simply comparing blood types and yet no one ever posts compatible blood types or even their blood type. This seems like such a simple thing to do to increase your chances of finding a compatible donor.

There's always a limited number of free tests available but how many are wasted* on people with the wrong blood type? The tests are expensive and if someone knows up front they're not compatible but can afford to pay for a test, they might instead donate funds instead to purchase free tests for those that might be compatible but otherwise couldn't afford to get tested.

Here is who can donate to whom with regards to marrow transplants:

    Type A can donate to types A and AB.

Type B can donate to types B and AB.

Type AB can donate to type AB.

Type O can donate to types A, B, AB, and O.


*I know that tests aren't wasted because the people are entered into a DB that benefits all marrow transplant recipients but the individual appealing to others for help could improve their odds.

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athom 3 days ago 0 replies      
Talk about timing! Our class just got a presentation and tour of Michigan Blood in Grand Rapids Thursday, including a presentation on the Marrow Registry. One thing y'all might be interested to know: most requested donations now are not marrow donations, but peripheral blood stem cell (PBSC) donations. If I recall correctly, marrow donations account for only one in five requests, these days.

PBSC donation is through a non-surgical procedure known as apheresis. It's essentially a blood donation, except that blood components not required for a procedure are actually returned to the patient.

In this case, the desired component is blood stem cells. These aren't normally found in peripheral blood (which is any blood outside the bone marrow), so a series of injections are required for five days prior to donation to coax more out. Then, the donor's blood is removed and passed through a machine that extracts the stem cells and returns the rest of the blood to the donor, typically through a second needle in the other arm.

It's a time-consuming process; about four hours, according to our guide. Donors may also experience headaches, or bone or muscle aches for several days prior to donations, side effects related to the movement of more stem cells from the marrow to the peripheral blood. On the up side, it doesn't require penetration of the pelvic bone, as a marrow transplant does. It is a bit more complicated than a regular blood donation, and the need for a needle in each arm is certainly inconvenient. Some apheresis machines are now able to perform the withdrawl and return process through a single needle, but I'm not sure if this method has been adapted for PBSC donation yet.

Anyone interested in learning more might like to check out the National Marrow Donor Program at http://www.marrow.org/Home.aspx. The donations FAQ is especially informative: http://www.marrow.org/Registry_Members/Donation/Donation_FAQ...

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cbs 4 days ago 0 replies      
Even if you're not Asian, still use this as reason to join the marrow registry. The registry needs as many people as it can get, and it is just as important for the sick who won't ever get this much attention.
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xutopia 4 days ago 1 reply      
If you live in Canada you can learn about how to donate here: http://www.blood.ca/ despite the name it's not just about giving blood).
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alexknowshtml 4 days ago 0 replies      
I'm the founder of one of the leading coworking spaces in the world, and our space and community wouldn't exist if it weren't for Amit Gupta's "Jelly" http://workatjelly.com

Amit's brilliant, kind, and as others have said here is one of my favorite humans on this planet.

It was a very, very strange day where in 24 hours:

1) I got a call about being a bone marrow match for a 30 year old man with leukemia
2) Steve Jobs passed from cancer
3) A dear friend's battle with cancer went crazy-public as he searches for help with this match.

I have great confidence that with the amount of good that Amit has put into the world, he stands a chance of finding a match. I'm very happy to see the internet rallying behind him.

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deepGem 3 days ago 0 replies      
For all those based out of India - here's the contact for Bone Marrow donations. I called their number but no one's picking (probably because it's a Saturday). I'll call again on Monday. Perhaps someone from Amit's family/friends can contact the center and see if they have a matching bone marrow readily available. Here's the contact.

Dept. of Transplant Immunology and Immunogenetics
All India Institute of Medical Science
Ansari Nagar
110029 New Delhi
India
Email: narin98@hotmail.com
Telephone: +91-11-265-88-588

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xutopia 4 days ago 0 replies      
Canadians can give through blood.ca (the list is international so if you are compatible it'll help Amit).

http://blood.ca/CentreApps/Internet/UW_V502_MainEngine.nsf/p...

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mhb 4 days ago 0 replies      
What is the bone marrow donation process like?

http://www.marrow.org/Registry_Members/Donation/Donation_FAQ...

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dlikhten 4 days ago 2 replies      
Question: What about risks to the donor? Does this stuff regenerate? Are the risks basically same as getting a bit of tissue harvested?
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vgoel 4 days ago 0 replies      
Please contact http://www.aadp.org/
Specifically: Nitu Binnarh
Outreach Coordinator (South Asian Community)
Nitu@aadp.org
510-568-3700 ext. 100

Also watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qost8BSnJr0

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stevejalim 4 days ago 0 replies      
Tangental, but still related - if you're in the UK, please do think about registering to be a donor. I'm signed up with the Anthony Nolan Trust: http://www.anthonynolan.org/
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laktek 4 days ago 0 replies      
Amit is a great guy and was always willing help other startups. Three years back, when we first launched CurdBee we were mailing all sorts people in the industry to get the attention. Amit was one of the few people provide feedback to us.
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ericabiz 4 days ago 0 replies      
Damn. I really hoped I could help. Unfortunately, those with autoimmune diseases can't donate bone marrow.

I do sincerely appreciate this being brought to light here, however. This post can literally save thousands of lives...if we take action.

All the best to Amit. My thoughts and prayers are with him.

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SqMafia 4 days ago 0 replies      
The number of Asians (East and South) registered with the registry is quite low in the US. When it comes to bone marrow matches, race/ethnicity actually matters a lot.

Please consider registering with the registry ( http://marrow.org/Join/Join_the_Registry.aspx ), especially if you're of Asian descent. It could be the easiest way for you to save a life.

Leukemia is the leading form of cancer among young people. It's heart breaking to see young people succumb to it because of all the unrealized potential lost.

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97s 4 days ago 0 replies      
Best of luck to you. I have been fighting off AML for the last 4 years. Keep a positive attitude through all your testing and chemo. You have a long road ahead and always laughing and making jokes will be your best friend.

EDIT:: Also people are right, everyone should join the marrow list. bethematch.org. You just swap your mouth and send it back. You might not ever be called, but one day you might save someones life.

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mahyarm 3 days ago 0 replies      
If this donation drive doesn't work I would seriously consider flying to India and getting a donor from there, paying money. A bone marrow transplant doesn't have the "moral hazards" that an organ transplants can have.
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tannerc 4 days ago 1 reply      
Seth Godin just offered $10,000 to a match (or the charity of their choice).
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tibbon 4 days ago 0 replies      
I sent this around to a few private mailing lists of friends who surely know Amit or at least a friend of his.
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ivankirigin 4 days ago 0 replies      
I know Amit and will echo everyone else that knows him: he is awesome, please help if you can
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deepGem 4 days ago 4 replies      
How about people based in the sub-continent. Do you necessarily have to be based out of US or Canada to donate.
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vladsanchez 4 days ago 0 replies      
I'm a member of BeTheMatch.org and I'm willing to help save a life donating my bone marrow. Spread the word! Better yet, join them! Amit if you read this, contact them, they'll help you find a match. =D

"Stay Hungry! Stay Foolish!"
-Steve Jobs

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danvideo 4 days ago 0 replies      
I know a baby girl who received a transplant last week as a result of a match - after MONTHS of searching, thankfully.

Of course I'm sorry to see this story, but definitely important to publicize these drives for donors. Even if you're not of South Asian descent it's a good idea to get on the registry!

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__Neha 3 days ago 0 replies      
I live in India. Is there a way I can help? I looked at BeTheMatch, they do not have a collection center here.
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devy_t 4 days ago 0 replies      
Thanks for the link to the site. Tweeted it to those who may be able to help. Cross our fingers...
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Businessweek Magazine's Classy Tribute to Steve Jobs socialcustomer.com
439 points by nextparadigms  2 days ago   61 comments top 16
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danso 2 days ago 1 reply      
On the night of Steve Jobs's death I stopped by the Fifth Avenue cube just to see what the mood was like (it was pretty much normal with a small crowd outside and some flowers) and I ran into a former colleague who now is a reporter at Businessweek. She told me that this week's issue was literally ready to go to press and then the news of Jobs's death broke, so they threw it out and she was there at 11PM getting customer comment on the event, and everyone else was putting in another 12 hour shift to re-create the issue (of course, some of the content had already been assembled in the event of Jobs's passing).

Great to see that their hustle and hardwork paid off. It's an entirely different thing to redo a weekly magazine the night of publication than it is a newspaper or website.

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rospaya 2 days ago 1 reply      
> There was not a single ad in the issue.

I would say it's the other way around.

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culturestate 2 days ago 4 replies      
BusinessWeek has done some great design since Bloomberg took over, and this issue is no exception. Fitting, simple tribute.
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kongqiu 2 days ago 3 replies      
Wow. I might actually buy this magazine from a newsstand. Way to differentiate!
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woodgears 2 days ago 6 replies      
More likely, they had this issue prepared ahead of time. They, like most observers, knew it was coming. No ads simplifies the logistics of swapping out the issue.
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URSpider94 2 days ago 2 replies      
For those marveling at how quickly Businessweek, Time and others have turned around tributes to Jobs, this is exactly where print journalists earn their stripes. Newsweeklies have to respond quickly to breaking stories, if they are going to be seen as relevant by readers.

For those who are prematurely predicting the death of print media, collections like this show how journalism professionals can still run rings around all but the best online news outlets.

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bdr 2 days ago 1 reply      
Where can I get one of these in SF? Nothing in the mission seems to carry BW.
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PStamatiou 2 days ago 1 reply      
Is there any way to buy this single issue online?
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becomevocal 2 days ago 3 replies      
A fitting tribute indeed.

In fact, I'd pay to have something like this for some of my family members once they pass. Sure, everyone wouldn't have 60+ pages, but having a coffee table tribute mag that tells their life story with beautiful pictures and typography would be a fitting tribute to anyone.

Anyone do something like this? Great weekend project for someone to hack together.

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revorad 1 day ago 0 replies      
I just got the UK Kindle edition. It doesn't have any pictures! Does anyone know where I could find a print copy?
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Achshar 2 days ago 3 replies      
is there any way the peeps outside of US can see it? i really want to read it.
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sachinag 2 days ago 1 reply      
Anyone know if this will be available in Newstand on iOS5? The "Store" link on my GM seed doesn't work yet.
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alexknight 2 days ago 0 replies      
Lovely tribute to a great man. Too bad I can't order this in Canada.
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perfmode 2 days ago 0 replies      
When does this issue hit news stands?
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hvass 2 days ago 0 replies      
Do you know whether this is sold only in the U.S. or worldwide as well?
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jQueryIsAwesome 2 days ago 0 replies      
There was one ad... a big Apple ad! Just kidding.
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Request PG: Could we please have the black bar out for Steve Jobs?
387 points by justlearning  6 days ago   78 comments top 7
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guelo 6 days ago 1 reply      
Looks like pg might be busy trying to keep the site up and running.
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younata 6 days ago 0 replies      
Thanks PG.
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courtewing 6 days ago 5 replies      
For the unenlightened (or perhaps just me), what do you mean by "have the black bar out"?
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harrisreynolds 5 days ago 0 replies      
+1
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DiabloD3 6 days ago 1 reply      
+1
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shareme 6 days ago 0 replies      
+1
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cperciva 6 days ago  replies      
I'll say what nobody else seems willing to say: I don't think he deserves it. De mortuis nihil nisi bonum and all that, but let's face it: Steve Jobs was a skilled salesman, nothing more.

Let's keep the black bar for people who have actually made a contribution to computing.

Edit: 2 minutes and already voted down to -4. Oh well, I knew this would be an unpopular opinion...

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16 pixels For Body Copy. Anything Less Is A Costly Mistake smashingmagazine.com
379 points by m1nes  4 days ago   141 comments top 45
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SimonPStevens 4 days ago 2 replies      
On the surface the statements seems to make sense and the arguments are well put across, but unless someone actually A/B tests it and proves that it makes a difference to readership, or conversions (or whatever your goal is) then it's currently just unsubstantiated theory.
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Chris_Newton 4 days ago 2 replies      
This is an important issue to consider, but talking about "pixels" alone doesn't get us far in this context.

For one thing, different fonts have different design characteristics. In particular, the x-height of one sensible body font at a nominal 16px could easily be 50% more than the x-height of another. Sadly, while CSS lets us specify a stack of fonts to try, it doesn't yet let us specify a different size to go with each one so we can achieve a similar optical result. (CSS3's font-size-adjust might be intended to help here, but seems overcomplicated and underpowered to me.)

For another thing, these days pixel densities can vary by at least a factor of 3 between devices. The latest iThings sometimes do better than the 300dpi that used to the be benchmark for a laser printer. For a classic CRT or cheap and cheerful TFT, something more like 96dpi is common. At least you can detect this to some extent in CSS, because the new devices with very high densities also tend to support media queries so you can present larger text (in pixel terms) and higher resolution graphics accordingly.

If we're going to improve the way we present text (and graphics) on the web for people whose vision isn't perfect, it's going to take a much more flexible styling system for the web and probably a lot more real world experience of what works and what doesn't as well. As much as I respect people taking a stand on behalf of those who can't see as well as some, I'm not sure advocating a fairly arbitrary 16px guideline is helping.

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Corrado 4 days ago 8 replies      
I agree completely with this article. As I've gotten older (now 43) I have had more and more trouble reading web sites. In fact, I've noticed lately that I don't even try on some sites that have "small" fonts, I just close the tab. There are some sites that I really like and I generally depend on my browser to help me out. Chrome has a good habit of remembering my page zoom on a particular site so I don't even notice the font problem on subsequent visits.
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mikeleeorg 4 days ago 1 reply      
I find myself zooming nearly 80% of the sites I visit now, including Google Docs. And I'm always a little bummed that Google's Spreadsheets give me this warning:

"Your browser's current zoom setting is not fully supported. Please reset to default zoom."

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danmaz74 4 days ago 2 replies      
I'm 37 and I zoom almost every website I use - I also like to be distant enough from the screen. I also very often use ctrl+A to have white text on blue background (I know, most designers will hate me at this point - but keep in mind that I usually sit in front of a screen 12 hours a day, 10 hours a day on weekends...).

Last thing, I just hate sites that use facebook comments - eg techcrunch - because fonts don't scale there. As a matter of fact, I never read comments on those websites.

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blahedo 4 days ago 1 reply      
I think I need to put together a form email, or possibly a webpage to link to, to send to web designers who pontificate about web design and reaching your audience---on a webpage that doesn't fit in my window AND has disabled my scrollbar. Meaning I literally cannot read it without sending it off to Readability or otherwise adjusting my browsing setup.

This fault is honestly an order of magnitude more common among webpages that are specifically discussing user-oriented design. Argh.

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guard-of-terra 4 days ago 4 replies      
Most web sites break down when fonts are upscaled. Sad but true. I configured my mother's firefox to do that, it works, but most of the web doesn't look good.

Which is sad. My eyes aren't very good too and they prefer bigger fonts. In fact, most people have vision problems those days.

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xyzzyz 4 days ago 0 replies      
I'm all for it. I zoom 70% of websites I visit, and I'm only 20 and don't have particularly bad sight -- I'm able to read unzoomed websites, but it's too wearisome.
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frankiejr 4 days ago 1 reply      
Working closely with designers and observing client requests over the past decade or so, I've seen another pattern that also leads to the "small type" problem: Client requests to get as much above the fold as possible. Granted, the majority of the projects I've worked on in the past four or five years have been very large organizations. When client committees make decisions, it's much harder to teach them or even steer them in the right direction.

I'm seeing a growing number of comments here that read like "I can..." or "I prefer..." The article clearly states this is a decision arrived at by considering the end-user. It's all relative; all sites don't need to be that way. You should be user-testing every project with your target market anyways, and if you were and it was a problem you'd hear about it. I know I have, many times.

Another great article on this subject is one "Relative Readability" by Wilson Miner:

http://www.wilsonminer.com/posts/2008/oct/20/relative-readab...

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clintavo 4 days ago 1 reply      
"At age 40, only half the light gets through to the retina as it did at age 20."

Well, at least now I know why I'm constantly having to turn the fucking lights on when reading something on paper - that seemed like a new development. I'm 42.

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bilban 3 days ago 0 replies      
Interestingly the browser defaults have changed over time.

When we used to use 640x480 and 800x600 monitors, the browser defaults - for something like a h1 took up most of the screen. That's half the reason designers (before the advent of CSS) didn't use semantic markup. They'd just use bold to mark up a heading at the body text size. We had pixel images used for text in navigation at 10px. With something like 12px for body text (and tables for layouts.)

There were also radical inconsistencies between the browsers, with their text size rendering defaults.

I'm also pretty sure that the 16px default font size was a late edition. Either way a bit of history would help the article.

Plus, as many have pointed out, the fact that 16px appears differently depending on screen resolution, distance from the display is an important point that should have been stated.

The article may have been better arguing that making a website more readable is better for users and sustained readership.

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nickknw 4 days ago 0 replies      
I generally agree with his argument, but I don't appreciate the way some of the examples were framed. They were a bit misleading.

Specifically the paragraph where he inserts smaller fonts into the middle of his paragraph, hoping to shock you with the difference in size.

Here is a screenshot of that paragraph with the body text actually set to 16px: http://i.imgur.com/mcdNI.png

10px is still tiny, but 14px doesn't appear nearly so 'weaksauce' any more.

As I said, I DO like larger font sizes and think he has a good point. But misleading comparisons like this bug me and I felt I had to set it straight.

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ori_b 4 days ago 0 replies      
Or, better yet, don't set the font sizes or font faces on your web site. I picked defaults that work for me. Don't override them.
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parfe 4 days ago 1 reply      
I installed the https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/ addon for firefox and have set news.yc to use the following stylesheet:

@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);

@-moz-document domain("news.ycombinator.com") {

    .title{
font-size: 16px !important;
padding: 0.5em !important;
}

.subtext{
font-size: .8em !important;
padding-left: 0.5em !important;
}

.comment {
font-size: 16px !important;
}

.comhead{
font-size: 1em !important;
}

.pagetop{
font-size: 16px !important;
}

}

I mixed px and em as I tried different settings, but just stopped when I found something I liked.

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FilterJoe 4 days ago 0 replies      
If you ask a variety of people how readable they find a typical web site, you'll receive almost uniform responses that many (or most) pages are difficult to read. Font size is a factor but there are many more factors, which I outline here:

http://www.filterjoe.com/2009/03/25/filters-for-reading-on-t...

and suggest solutions for web design here:

http://www.filterjoe.com/2009/03/23/site-design-for-reading/

A main theme of my site is how to read without distraction on the web. As has come up a number of times on Hacker News, the tools readable and readability are a terrific way to reformat web pages in order to make them more readable:

http://www.filterjoe.com/2011/04/11/web-page-reformatting-se...

One last trick is to arrange a high pixel density monitor vertically and place it far away from your eyes. You can calculate the distance needed to attain the equivalent of a retina display:

http://www.filterjoe.com/2011/02/26/the-best-monitor-setup-t...

Whether this makes a difference in terms of readership, conversions, etc. I have no idea. But the proliferation of tools in the past few years to help people read web content suggests that a lot of web users are struggling with reading web pages.

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sunkencity 4 days ago 4 replies      
Interesting, but at that size of font used on that webpage I read at half speed and I'm 37. For the hacker news site I can read a full line in 3 focus movements. It's much easier to switch focus to the right than to find the next row in text. Not convinced but YMMV.
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Simon_M 4 days ago 3 replies      
Am I missing something? The physical size of a 16px font will surely vary based on resolution and screen size.

So claims such as '16px is the same as most books' are clearly nonsense.

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inflatablenerd 4 days ago 1 reply      
The biggest failing I see this is argument is hierarchy. Sure, 16 point Georgia looks sexy as hell. If you have a text heavy website with little navigation, I'd definately recommend it. But in real world design situations, it's a mess. Even the Information Architects site looks flat. There's no easy way to guide the eyes because everything is ultra readable. There's no structure. It's an idealistic shortcut to readability.

For me, the most pleasurable reading experience I can think of is Instapaper on an iPad. What's the default size on that? I could be wrong, but I doubt it's anything larger than 14-16.

Besides, is it really a "costly mistake"? Is Facebook is failure because the text is small? Is Apple's website is design disaster? Both sites (and many more) feature a mix of large and small text with modest sized body. They're navigation is thought out and structured.

The 16 pixels argument encourages the opposite of that.

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wushupork 4 days ago 0 replies      
I have been reading HN zoomed for quite a while now. I also code with larger than the default fonts because it's less wear on my eyes and I'm not 40 yet. I agree with what's being said but it would be helpful to show some study or research or A/B testing.
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wladimir 4 days ago 3 replies      
Why "16 pixels"? Wouldn't scaling fonts based in cm/inch make more sense to be resolution independent, especially important on mobile devices?
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mise 4 days ago 1 reply      
Does this equate to setting the base font size to 1em in CSS?
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ctuite 2 days ago 0 replies      
Some interesting facts in the article, however, saying a font is hard to read because it's too small is a bit of a loose statement. Font family, color, line-height and width (anything over 500px wide is a strain) all contribute to the readability of text. So a pink font at 16px stretching the full width of the screen (let's say 1400px) with default line-height might be easier to read if it were 13px, dark grey, 450px wide with 20px line-height.

The article doesn't target a specific type of site. Article sites or news sites rely on readability far more than startups. The article seems to suggest that you NEED copy to guide users. This statement is incorrect. You can guide users with whitespace, color, images, buttons, hover states etc.

If you have a startup landing page with lots of copy on it, regardless of font-size...you've already failed.

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xentronium 4 days ago 1 reply      
I zoom most of the sites I read mostly due to the number of characters per line. When it is greater than 120-140, I can't focus on the line I'm reading.

And that is by the way another reason I love fixed size layouts: you can zoom them however you like.

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jimktrains2 4 days ago 0 replies      
Why px and not pt? I thought fonts are traditionally done in pts.
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km3k 4 days ago 1 reply      
Maybe I'm just different, but I like smaller font sizes. It makes it easier to take in more text quicker and do it with less scrolling. I am 26 though. I'll probably change that opinion when I'm 40. I think having the browser zoomed out one level looks best to me on some sites.
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lawlorg 4 days ago 0 replies      
He gives some interesting data points, but ultimately fails to prove the headline that "anything less is a costly mistake". In order to do that, he'd have to take a sample of websites and show a correlation between copy size and profitability.
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michaelchisari 4 days ago 0 replies      
I don't know how well it works for sites that are effectively applications, but I wholeheartedly agree when it comes to blogs, articles, and essays.
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subbu 4 days ago 0 replies      
This is what I always think whenever I visit John Gruber's blog (daringfireball.net).
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YeeHaw 4 days ago 2 replies      
I thought the article was impossible to read at 16 px - just not enough density - too few words per line and too few lines per screen to read comfortably. I'm 46.
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grannyg00se 4 days ago 2 replies      
It's just as easy to hit [ CTRL + ] as it is to hit backspace. If you are worried about your users' ability or knowledge, then you can simply include a link that says "adjust text size up / down" and let them click that to get the desired effect. Browsers allow users to customize the font for a reason. It's impossible to claim a default size that everyone is going to like.
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michaeledge 4 days ago 4 replies      
Personally I'm a fan of bigger font sizes. Interesting though that Facebook actually reduced their body copy down to 11px, and apparently they are doing pretty well ;
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njharman 4 days ago 0 replies      
pixels? Pixels are not a standard size, they vary across screens/devices. 16 pixels is anything from too tiny to read to giant.
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bostonvaulter2 3 days ago 0 replies      
Is there a way to use javascript to detect how far zoomed in most of your readers are?
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sgdesign 4 days ago 1 reply      
Ironically, Smashing Magazine itself is not set in 12px…
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asto 4 days ago 0 replies      
I agree! Have been doing this on my sites for a while now. Another thing to note is that when the font size is small, the number of words that fit into one line increases. It's easier to read lines with less words (which is why newspapers use columns of short width) and using larger fonts in the same horizontal space achieves that.
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davidandgoliath 4 days ago 1 reply      
Just confirmed I use hacker news @ 298% zoom. Impressive :)
Wondering what you all utilize?
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thenduks 4 days ago 0 replies      
Oh please yes. cough Posterous
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mise 4 days ago 0 replies      
Does anyone use this rule for setting their text editor's text size for programming?
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aquarin 4 days ago 0 replies      
Just checked. I read HN zoomed twice.
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rshm 4 days ago 0 replies      
I am not as old as 40, still. My wikipedia, forbes are all zoomed up. I settled on 16/Serif at-least for personal sites and blog.
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gcb 3 days ago 0 replies      
stopped reading when he started comparing pixel measurements with printed books.
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brandonkshepard 4 days ago 0 replies      
Do you think that we need to see changes in current social networks using 12-14 pixels for their body copy?
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hugh3 4 days ago 0 replies      
Too large; didn't read
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FJim 4 days ago 0 replies      
tb;dr
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perlgeek 4 days ago 1 reply      
Did anybody else have trouble understanding what "body copy" means? I know such things as "body font size" or so...
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Stephen Wolfram on Steve Jobs: A Few Memories stephenwolfram.com
374 points by robertbud1  5 days ago   47 comments top 14
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steveb 5 days ago 1 reply      
NeXT sold maybe 50,000 systems in 5 years, less than the number of PCs that a typical large company has stuffed in cubicles.

And from that small install base, emerged the first Web browser, Doom, and Mathematica.

They were amazing, if flawed products. Every system came with Mathematica, a full dictionary and the complete works of Shakespeare.

I remember having to go use Windows NT after NeXT failed in the market. And I remember, ten years later, holding the first iPhone in my hand and knowing where it came from.

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chugger 5 days ago 2 replies      
he was going out on a date that evening"and he hadn't been on a date for a long time. He explained that he'd just met the woman he was seeing a few days earlier, and was very nervous about his date. The Steve Jobs"so confident as a businessman and technologist"had melted away, and he was asking me"hardly a noted known authority on such things"about his date.

rofl @ Steve Jobs asking Stephen Wolfram about dating.

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SkyMarshal 5 days ago 0 replies      
I think he really nails the reason that so many people love Jobs:

"In my life, I have had the good fortune to interact with all sorts of talented people. To me, Steve Jobs stands out most for his clarity of thought. Over and over again he took complex situations, understood their essence, and used that understanding to make a bold definitive move, often in a completely unexpected direction.

I myself have spent much of my life"in science and in technology"trying to work in somewhat similar ways. And trying to build the very best possible things I can.

Yet looking at the practical world of technology and business there are certainly times when it has not been obvious that any of this is a good strategy. Indeed, sometimes it looks as if all that clarity, understanding, quality and new ideas aren't really the point"and that the winners are those with quite different interests.

So for me"and our company"it has been immensely inspiring to watch Steve Jobs's"and Apple's"amazing success in recent years. It validates so many of the principles that I have long believed in. And encourages me to pursue them with even greater vigor."

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dy 5 days ago 2 replies      
I grew up in Champaign, IL, where Wolfram is based and Steven Wolfram had a reputation for being difficult and an introvert - but the more I read or see about him, the more I find him inspiring and quite brilliant.

His story was also touching because it shows how Steve Jobs was able to touch people's lives in significant ways even through the briefest of interactions.

I'm not surprised there is such "cult" behavior behind Apple - if there was ever a cult leader I would want to believe in, it would be Steve.

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6ren 5 days ago 1 reply      
> his theory for a name was to start from the generic term for something, then romanticize it. His favorite example at the time was Sony's Trinitron.

This theory appeals to me, but the example doesn't seem to be an instance of it. Neither trinity nor electron are generic names for TV (or for a tube). Maybe the story got mixed up somewhere.

> The name Trinitron was derived from trinity, meaning the union of three, and tron from electron tube, after the way that the Trinitron combined the three separate electron guns of other CRT designs into one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitron

OTOH iPhone is a romanticisation of a generic term.

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spdy 5 days ago 1 reply      
At the time, all sorts of people were telling me that I needed to put quotes on the back cover of the book. So I asked Steve Jobs if he'd give me one. Various questions came back. But eventually Steve said, “Isaac Newton didn't have back-cover quotes; why do you want them?”

This tells so much about Jobs. Everybody is doing X but we do Y. Think different.

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fragsworth 5 days ago 4 replies      
I have no respect for Stephen Wolfram. He is completely shameless. This article made me more cynical about him than I ever have been.

I mean I went into this article assuming he'd talk a little about his products because that's just how he is, but somehow he managed to work every last one of his god damned products in great detail into this "memorial" for Steve Jobs. He manages to turn everything into a promotional piece for himself or for his company's shit - even someone else's death. It is nauseating.

Just compare this to any other post about Steve from any other executive. It's completely tasteless and inappropriate.

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chubot 5 days ago 1 reply      
This was surprisingly good -- I had no idea about these connections.
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steve8918 5 days ago 0 replies      
This is simply an amazing anecdote. I can't believe how far reaching Steve Jobs has been in terms of his influence over technology, even down to the name of Mathematica. Incredible.
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jseliger 5 days ago 0 replies      
Is there someone keeping track of all the famous (or not famous) people sharing their experiences with Jobs? I feel like every website I've visited since the news hit features someone writing something valuable, fascinating, and interesting about him, and it would be nice if there was a central clearinghouse for it"a recent Folklore.org, if you will.
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jgh 5 days ago 3 replies      
I think this is more of a memory of Mathematica than Steve Jobs.
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cavilling_elite 5 days ago 0 replies      
I use Mathematica every day at work, I was not aware of the rich history Wolfram had with Jobs.
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pcj 5 days ago 0 replies      
In my life, I have had the good fortune to interact with all sorts of talented people. To me, Steve Jobs stands out most for his clarity of thought. Over and over again he took complex situations, understood their essence, and used that understanding to make a bold definitive move, often in a completely unexpected direction.

So true.

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Up and Down the Ladder of Abstraction worrydream.com
369 points by macrael  8 hours ago   41 comments top 17
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danso 5 hours ago 2 replies      
Wow.

This is simply one of the best guides I've seen to anything...ever. It's uncommon for an online guide to have well-written text, even rarer for it to leverage HTML's structure and organization, and almost unheard of to incorporate interactive useful elements that gel with the textual sections.

Well done.

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macrael 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Definitely read the appendix "Tools & Implementation". He expresses frustration with the current state of the art in building visualizations.

My guess is that he is using his javascript library for "reactive documents" called Tangle http://worrydream.com/Tangle for all the demos in this article.

I'll just add that I really find this whole piece astounding and many levels above the majority of things I find on the internet.

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phzbOx 11 minutes ago 1 reply      
Looking at his website, his resume and his project, I just feel like stopping everything I do. A little bit like if you start to run for a couple miles and after 5-6 when you're pretty tired, you ask your friend how much remains. And he smile at you, start running even faster and says 195miles.

Or, it's like playing Starcraft agains a good player. You get beaten pretty hard but you still played your best and are proud. But then, somehow, you play a real professional gamer.. and you just feel like stopping playing that game. Nothing works, you look like a total beginner, you get 5/0-ed, and then, you learn he was on the phone the whole time.

Meh.

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nagrom 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm a physicist studying nucleon structure. This is a field so complicated that other physicists typically shake their heads and mutter "must be mad". We typically work at several layers of abstraction.

This (Tangle) is the one tool that I've seen that is capable of communicating well to non-physicists what I do, without their needing to know Mathematica or C++ in detail. I really need to get around to writing a web page that does that. Awesome. Inspiring. Ridiculously, breathtakingly good. Bret's entire website is outstanding.

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xtacy 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Very impressive, but I am not sure his comment about Mathematica is right. The Wolfram Demonstrations project is about aiding such explorations in Mathematica. It may not look as pretty, but it's definitely capable of enabling explorations using the Manipulate[] command.

http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/

Example:
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/DigitalTiltShiftPhotograph...

http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/Manipulate.html

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AdamTReineke 11 minutes ago 0 replies      
That was fantastic. In case you missed it, use the arrow keys to move the car in the header to jump up the ladder.
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asolove 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Totally speechless. Feel like this is what I ought to be working on/with. I look forward to the day when online news sources take advantage of the medium to cover wars and budget proposals in this format.
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arkitaip 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Fascinating read and absolutely gorgeous to look at. This is the guy behind Magic Ink http://worrydream.com/#!/MagicInk
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enjalot 5 hours ago 1 reply      
This is the future of education. He just laid the blueprints.
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gfodor 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Bret Victor, as usual, is a humbling reminder of how much I don't know and how constrained my thinking is. Bravo!
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icandoitbetter 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Bret Victor is one of the great people working in computing (not computer science) today. I expect something paradigm-shifting from him in the coming years.
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colanderman 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Beautiful site. But I hope anyone actually trying to solve the example problem of guiding a car on a road uses a PID controller and not a binary threshold. Here's an interactive example for those interested: http://fstutoring.com/youlearn/pid/controller
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yariang 6 hours ago 1 reply      
I think the best part of it is the car at the top. I can easily play with that for a few minutes. They do say 80% of the gains come from 20% of the effort right? :)
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michaelchisari 2 hours ago 0 replies      
This is definitely one of those moments where something inspires me to look at everything I'm working on and want to throw it all away, and rebuild it at this level.
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rottencupcakes 3 hours ago 3 replies      
Does it bother anybody else that he fails so miserably at solving the example he uses for this article: keeping the car on the road?
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tambourine_man 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Damn this guy is good. Check the whole site out, well worth it.
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jonnycowboy 5 hours ago 2 replies      
Is this behaviour supported (and easy to use) on mobile devices as well?

A great use of this would be for electronic math textbooks for showing students (high school) how various parameters influence graphs, etc.

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Sergey Brin on Steve Jobs google.com
367 points by nextparadigms  6 days ago   9 comments top 5
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crunchykeith 5 days ago 1 reply      
This was my favorite part of "In the Plex" by Steven Levey. Sergey and Larry wanted Jobs to be their CEO. They had met with a number of CEO's in Silicon Valley and picked Jobs because of how well he impressed them. Also because he was the “He was the only candidate who had been to Burning Man". Pretty cool if you ask me. RIP STEVE
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mhartl 5 days ago 0 replies      
N.B. It's Sergey, not Sergei. Could an admin please correct the title?
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esk 5 days ago 0 replies      
> Steve, your passion for excellence is felt by anyone who has ever touched an Apple product

That's a wonderful way of putting it. Steve Jobs was inspirationally, infectiously passionate about making good things. Rest in peace, Steve.

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suivix 5 days ago 1 reply      
Did he make an account just to say this? I thought Google's execs avoided G+ for the most part.
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rphlx 5 days ago 2 replies      
Meh. The cynic in me suspects a ploy to get G+ signups.
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Computer virus hits US Predator and Reaper drone fleet arstechnica.com
365 points by llambda  4 days ago   190 comments top 35
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JonnieCache 4 days ago  replies      
Like hugh says, this doesn't add up at all.

“We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back,” says a source familiar with the network infection, one of three that told Danger Room about the virus. “We think it's benign. But we just don't know.”

C'mon. You're the military. "It just keeps coming back?" So you decide to do a press release about it? Please.

I wouldn't have whined like that when I was de-malwareing neighbourhood PCs at age 13, I would have fixed it. If I can successfully keep malware off the PCs of middle aged parents with teenaged children, then the government capable of developing and operating fleets of unmanned military drones can certainly isolate a network and disable the USB bus.

There is definitely some high level shit going on right here. I doubt we'll know about it for many years, if ever.

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hugh3 4 days ago 4 replies      
It seems to me that a more interesting question than "how did the malware get there?" is "why are they telling us that they found it?"

Presumably the default thing to do under these circumstances would be to shut up about it, so the fact that they're broadcasting it to the whole world must mean something. In any case I wouldn't take any of the details at face value -- e.g. do they really not have any idea where it came from, or are they feigning ignorance in the hopes of lulling their opponent into a false sense of security?

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mindstab 4 days ago 1 reply      
next up:
"Virus ridden US attack drones strafe US cities"
"Iran strikes back for virus that temporarily crippled nuclear infrastructure"

Though really the drones probably live in middle east so it'd be more like drones would go berserk in a US military bases in middle east and kill troops or attack innocent foreign civilians drumming up more anti American sentiment

"Americans use drone to assassinate Afgan president"

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jarrett 4 days ago  replies      
Does anybody know what operating system the infected machines run? If it's a Unix variant, ouch--I guess they have some really bad luck. But if this is just an everyday virus, as opposed to cyber warfare targeting the drones specifically, I can't help but think they might be running Windows. Air gap or not, that seems risky to me.
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scarmig 4 days ago 0 replies      
"We think it's benign, but we just don't know."

Whoever this is is obviously so far out of the loop and technical domain that everything they say should be taken with a heaping pile of salt.

I don't doubt that a virus exists, but the scope of it is likely wildly overblown. At least, there's no reason to actually think it's some military grade virus that is impossible to eradicate that intercepts all communications with the drones.

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civilian 4 days ago 2 replies      
Okay! Here's what the sysadmins should be doing: Each GCS should be recording the identity & timestamp of each removable drive that is attached to it. Then we'll have a graph of all the connections between the machines. If any GCSes aren't infected (or if we have any information about which machines first showed evidence of the virus) then we might be able to trace out the path of infection. Hopefully it'll lead to patient zero, and they can figure out whether it was intentional (charge w/ treason!) or accidental (500 push-ups).
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pavpanchekha 4 days ago 1 reply      
Perhaps the fact that our computer systems are now of military importance and the fact that a security hole can mean deaths and international relations disasters will finally lead to people taking a good look at verified computing. Where a virus doesn't mean outsmarting some forgetful C programmer but is mathematically impossible.

Or not, it was just a bug, we'll fix it this one time and pretend it will never happen again. Worse is better, as they say!

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EGreg 4 days ago 1 reply      
Terrorism is primarily a problem of technology, imho. As things become more automated, they have a capacity to be used for both intended and unintended purposes. If our military relies on drones, it should make sure they can't be used against us :)

But to illustrate my main point, 1000 years ago it was impossible for one man to destroy a lot of people. 500 years ago a man Guy Fawkes could use gunpowder to blow up part of a building. SInce then we invented dynamite, planes, rockets... a society in which technology enables a small group of people to wreak havoc on a large group of people must necessarily have more surveillance/intelligence than one where this is not possible, if it is to ensure the security of its citizens. I mean what is to prevent a person from releasing a contagious virus in the NYC subway or something similar, and the effects to show up only days later? I hate to say it but we don't know where we're going with all this technology's potential for bad things.

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munin 4 days ago 1 reply      
the quote used from the source seems to mean they don't know anything. a keylogger is benign? by what definition of benign are we operating under here?

downside of things being "off the record" is this could be someone who oveheard two guys talking about something unrelated in the cafeteria, put "two and two" together, and picked up the phone. and since you can't get an official line ... you just run with the rumors and BS

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nickolai 4 days ago 1 reply      
Im not worried. Its the military. They'll soon come up with a "Feynman can open our safe locks ? Don't allow Feynman near the safe locks!" kind of solution.
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wrs 4 days ago 0 replies      
Hang on a minute... (a) You have malware on a computer on a secret network and you try to remove it? Shouldn't that be an automatic "shred the entire machine and start over" situation? (b) Flight suits? Really?
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runjake 4 days ago 1 reply      
Clarification: It's infecting the control station computers (which I believe are still Windows XP), not the UAVs themselves.
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joeybaker 4 days ago 1 reply      
It would be great if Ars had used its security and technical staff to tell us if this is a problem or the minor annoyance that the military says it is. The article amounts to little more than a summary of the drone program and a bit of "he said she said" http://archive.pressthink.org/2009/04/12/hesaid_shesaid.html reportage.
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saturn7 4 days ago 0 replies      
wait wait this is my fav part, "At first, they followed removal instructions posted on the website of the Kaspersky security firm. “But the virus kept coming back,”" They have access to the same information my mom does? Don't they have their own people for stuff like that. Seriously Kaspersky isn't exactly the best antivirus program in the world and from their own website "The company's headquarters are located in Moscow, Russia" US military uses a Russian antivirus company for help with military security.
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bitstream 4 days ago 0 replies      
This seems about as random and undirected as Stuxnet magically appearing at five Iranian nuclear plants.
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FrojoS 4 days ago 2 replies      
in what has become the US military's most important weapons system.

Seriously? Already?

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shabble 3 days ago 0 replies      
From Rule 34[1]:

Ever since Filipino Jemaah Islamiyah hackers pwned an MQ-9 Reaper and zapped the governor of Palawan with USAF-owned Hellfire missiles, the Americans have gone back to keeping a human finger on the trigger: not because a state governor from a foreign country was killed, but because of who was in the armoured limousine right behind him. (The prospect of having to utter the term collateral damage in the same sentence as President of the United States before a congressional enquiry had focussed a few minds.)

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Rule-34-Charles-Stross/dp/0441020348/c... his referral tag, not mine)

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colanderman 4 days ago 0 replies      
"Eventually, the technicians had to use a software tool called BCWipe to completely erase the GCS' internal hard drives."

You mean they paid $40 a license for dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda?

(I know BCWipe is a secure delete tool. But a computer virus can't perform forensic analysis of your hard drive.)

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0x12 4 days ago 0 replies      
Disinformation at work.

Either that or gross incompetence but my money is on the former.

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LiveTheDream 4 days ago 2 replies      
One solution could be to keep machine images stored, like AMIs, and use a tool like Chef or Puppet to re-deploy a known good configuration. This strategy lends itself to the case where everything is virtualized.

Of course, the source of the infection could be really nefarious. For example, imagine if someone replaced a keyboard with one that delivered a payload (trojan, keylogger, etc) when it is plugged into a computer's USB port? Then reformatting the hard drive does nothing because it will immediately infected again.

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ajays 4 days ago 2 replies      
So all that terrorists have to do is commandeer a drone (thanks to this virus) and then they can rain terror anywhere they want? This is scary.
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noduerme 4 days ago 0 replies      
“We think it's benign. But we just don't know.” Lol. Yes, when all else fails, just assume that the military-grade, impossible-to-erase virus is harmless. Hasn't done any damage yet, right?

This is the problem with rigid hierarchies. Everyone just passes the problem to someone else until the whole thing blows up. In this case, literally.

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Havoc 2 days ago 0 replies      
Try disabling autorun for USB drives. These guys don't sound qualified to fly a paper plane let alone drones...
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svag 4 days ago 0 replies      
I suppose the virus is one of the 18 keyloggers that the virus encyclopedia of Kaspersky has...

http://www.kaspersky.co.uk/find?objs=virus&words=keylogg...

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ck2 4 days ago 3 replies      
Oh please tell me they aren't running windows.

Just wait until the cops start using these in the USA for "crowd control" ugh.

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7952 4 days ago 0 replies      
The article says that USB keys are used to move data on to the system from other networks. If this is true it would be better to assume that all data from that other network is bad, and require it to be serialized in a none executable format. The software then needs to validate the data against a schema. This is something websites have done for years and is very basic.

The mistake that is made here is to assume that a network can ever be secure. It is like assuming that no one will ever pee in a swimming pool.

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perlgeek 3 days ago 0 replies      
So they wipe it off without actually patching the exploit which the virus uses...
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Hyena 3 days ago 1 reply      
How difficult would t be for the DoD to make an OS just for themselves with no public distribution or documentation? That seems like the permanent solution here.
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shareme 4 days ago 0 replies      
So why does a secret operation want it known that is open to computer viruses?

I submit this a Black Flag operation story.

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code_duck 3 days ago 0 replies      
If this was true, the last thing they would do is put out a press release about it.
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NHQ 4 days ago 0 replies      
How to turn your enemy's weapons against him.
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kmil 4 days ago 0 replies      
It scares me thinking that mortal drones are running on Windows.
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nazgulnarsil 4 days ago 0 replies      
BULLSHIT, this is covering ass for future liability.
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bilban 3 days ago 0 replies      
Attack of the drones.
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tomjen3 4 days ago 0 replies      
This is going to be fun when somebody figures out how shoot somebody with a virus based predator.

Next time think twice before antagonizing your local geek :)

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Tim Cook: "No words can adequately express our sadness at Steve's death" arstechnica.com
358 points by Toddward  6 days ago   4 comments top 3
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jayfuerstenberg 6 days ago 1 reply      
I, and many of the people who frequent this and other tech sites, would not have jobs in this industry if it weren't for Steve Jobs and his Apple I.

No words can articulate just how profound all of this is.
His contribution kickstarted the very way we live our lives.

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sshumaker 5 days ago 0 replies      
"We will honor his memory by dedicating ourselves to continuing the work he loved so much."

Powerful and inspiring.

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executive 5 days ago 0 replies      
I'm sure his bank account isn't sad.
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German Chaos Computer Club analyzes and releases government malware ccc.de
356 points by venti  3 days ago   65 comments top 16
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kahawe 2 days ago 0 replies      
There is one more detail hinting that this could indeed be the "Bundestrojaner". faz[1] cites a leaked offer from a German company to the authorities that, according to faz, contains exactly the characteristics found by the CCC. Even renting an "intermediate" communications server in the USA is mentioned.

The especially striking thing about this trojan is the functionality to load additional modules and go far, far beyond simple wiring tapping of (otherwise encrypted) communications (at the source) - which was the only thing that was actually approved (and the reason for this software in the first place) and it was stated clearly that the software must NOT go beyond wire tapping and technical precautions have to be taken to prevent the software from doing anything else.

Furthermore CCC's analysis showed that the part of loading additional code was actually hidden, obfuscated and spread out amongst the machine code - whereas the rest of the code was very straight forward, no obfuscations. So clearly whoever developed that thing was very aware of how illegal and unlawful that functionality is.

[1] (in German) http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/ein-amtlicher-trojaner...

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scrrr 3 days ago 3 replies      
And it's things like that that will make even more people vote the Pirate Party.

Luckily the German public is by and large opposed to surveillance. (for historical reasons)

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eis 3 days ago 2 replies      
I wonder how they were able to make sure that it's the german government behind this.
I've read the whole analysis but nothing really hinted at it.

Binaries not signed + no knowledge of how the infection is done + server in the USA which they said they didn't penetrate to look what's behind it.

I'm not doubting them, it would just be very interesting.

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mrich 3 days ago 0 replies      
Quality analysis by the CCC. I'm glad we have such an organization in Germany.
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mikkohypponen 3 days ago 1 reply      
Our take on this case: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002249.html

Also, we decided to detect it.

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raphman 2 days ago 0 replies      
The chancellor's press secretary denies that this malware is the Bundestrojaner, claiming that it has never been used by the BKA, the federal crime investigation department [1].

From the wording of the tweet I assume that instead some LKA (crime investigation departments on the state level) had been using the malware.

[1] http://twitter.com/#!/RegSprecher/status/123056930888491008

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xerxes2001 3 days ago 1 reply      
So much win. I am really thankful that the CCC has such a strong standing in Germany. I am looking forward to the news tomorrow :
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DasIch 3 days ago 2 replies      
The press release and the analysis are unfortunately poorly written and make it appear as if a couple of overeager teenagers wrote this, although their conclusion is accurate given the information given in the analysis.

Releasing the binaries alone to back up such a statement might be good enough for the hacker community but if you want to persuade the public you need to be more professional in your choice of words.

Even though this is a great achievement and I hope that this will have significant impact.

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adulau 2 days ago 0 replies      
The title is a bit misleading. It seems this is a not a governmental malware to install on each citizen's PC. It's more a software installed on request by a judge for specific criminal cases. Looking a bit in IDA, the software is quite versatile and don't use any obfuscation techniques regularly seen in other malware. I suppose this is more and more used by the police because of the use of encryption on consumer products like Skype and other communication tools.
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Uchikoma 2 days ago 1 reply      
German newspaper, clueless as ever, show a MacBook

http://www.faz.net/polopoly_fs/1.1486520.1318104289!/image/3...

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biafra 1 day ago 0 replies      
This might be considered proof that the found program was indeed used by the LKA Bayern.

http://ijure.org/wp/archives/727 (in german)

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Joeboy 3 days ago 3 replies      
Probably a stupid question, but does this target Windows?
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hukl 3 days ago 1 reply      
F-Secure will detect the malware according to their blog post: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002249.html
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mrpixel 3 days ago 0 replies      
This is all a steaming pile of horseshit. It won't pass proper journalism.
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canistr 3 days ago 1 reply      
I think it's also possible that some of those safeguard provisions were left out of the software so that in case the malware was detected, it could have been attributed to standard hacker groups as opposed to German government organizations who play within a specific set of rules and regulations. Obviously, this plan failed and it has been identified as government-sponsored malware.
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Knack 2 days ago 4 replies      
Unfortunately, it is, it was and it will always be necessary to spy on people who are suspicious of committing a crime. Proper surveillance has saved uncountable lives.

Years ago, police was using cameras and directional microphones. But as technology evolves, the methods to prevent crime have to envolve as well. To not allow the police to use the same technology as the criminals would actually endanger stability of the society. If you don't agree, have a look at what happened and happens in Africa all the time as an extreme example to what happens it mankind lives without proper regulations.

The key point that needs to be discussed is not whether this kind of technology should be used, it's how and who is allowed to use it. Countries need a proper separation of powers. And the use of surveillance should only under any circumstances be approved by the independed jurisdiction.

Personally, if you can get one pedophile or terrorist I wouldn't care if the whole police of Germany would share my Jena Jameson collection.

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