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Ask HN: What would you gladly pay $30/month for?
19 points by builtforyou  3 hours ago   32 comments top 14
evanwolf 17 minutes ago 0 replies      
A smart microwave oven. For my inner Quantified Self, analyze my usage over time, show patterns, infer what I'm cooking. For my energy bill, show electricity consumption. For my home, talk to my fridge.
brent_noorda 2 hours ago 2 replies      
A service that acts as a personal secretary which will intercept all the asynchronous events that interrupt me every few minutes (email, texts, app alerts, phone calls, etc...) and will make them stop and make me feel safe that I'm not checking if anything important has happened. Only on the very very rare occasion when something is important enough to interrupt my current train of thought will I really be alerted--those interrupt events will have to be very infrequent and super duper important (e.g. "your spouse just went to the E.R." or "pizza's here").
harry8 1 hour ago 0 replies      
$31+/month of decrease in cash outflow. Or $31+ increase in income.

In truth it probably needs to be more than $1 due to the fact we value our time and the possibility of cost incurred due to some error, mine our outside my control.

On the flipside some new form of entertainment, enjoyment, enhancement to self-worth or similar that I find more agreeable than stuff I spend $30/mth on now. Note how that includes charity.

qeorge 1 hour ago 1 reply      
A VA service, like TimeSvr.com or myriad others, but for graphic design.

I need little graphics made all the time (banners, logos, etc) and right now I have to interact with Fiverr/Elance more than I want to. Not looking for Picasso, just decent quality.

So, I want to have an account with a service who will "just bill me" for little graphics. Please, someone make this.

mxxx 1 hour ago 1 reply      
A service that sends me a monthly list of ideas that people want, but don't currently exist.
secfirstmd 2 hours ago 2 replies      
An always on, 24/7 service or something where I buy 30 dollars of time (say 3 hours) a month and more if I want it. From my software dashboard I can drop something easy but a complete waste of my time (reformatting 60 documents to have a new logo sizing and saving them as pdf, adding up my expenses receipts and inputting them into accounting, proof read my late night typing, book my flight etc.). This would be made easier by simple task drop down menus (Task => Expenses Calculations), along with customisable tasks.

I simply drop the docs into the syncing software, along with a brief description or quick cam recording of what I want, and then one hour later the changes are sent back to me.

I guess you could call it a mix of Elancer, Dropbox, Virtual Assistant etc.

Ryel 51 minutes ago 0 replies      
Product Hunt/HN but for startup related podcasts.

I wouldn't pay $30/month for it but I would buy the app, or bookmark the site.

Concours 2 hours ago 0 replies      
A Baremetrics for Paypal , a service showing me all my KPI using the Paypal API on a nice dashboard so, I don't have to fiddle around with spreadsheets.
elliott34 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Like most apartment/condo city dwellers I can't receive packages unless I am home.

I would pay 30/month for some kind of external lockbox or some kind of capability to order anything I wanted to that box (outside my apartment, or would glady let amazon or google inside my place). Also , all/any pick ups or returns would happen from this drop off box.

jrvarela56 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Someway of linking modern payment processors Stripe/Paypal/Braintree/etc to bank accounts in countries not yet supported.
source99 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Someone to take my garbage out of the kitchen into the bins outside my house.
puredemo 3 hours ago 1 reply      
A service where I add the groceries I want and they get purchased and delivered from local grocery stores.
hashtag 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Quality mentorship
karangoeluw 3 hours ago 2 replies      
A cheaper Tesla.
What is it like to work as a software engineer at Amazon?
4 points by infinite_loop  1 hour ago   3 comments top 2
throwaway_o 20 minutes ago 1 reply      
Amazon has a lousy reputation locally. It's well-deserved.

Think about this - you will be expected to switch teams every 12-18 months. You won't love that like you love your job now.

Don't take the money. It's not much anyway, really.

duncan_bayne 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Ask HN: What's wrong with my JS?
3 points by luk3thomas  2 hours ago   4 comments top 4
bobfirestone 52 minutes ago 0 replies      
To start as a couple of others have already pointed out you haven't implemented all the criteria.

If I was evaluating your solution based on what they are asking for I would have passed on you as well. Your solution is unnecessarily complex and over built. They are asking if can you use JS to manipulate a select box. Not including tests you have brought in 400+ lines of code (184 lines of code + the EventEmitter library) to implement 75% of the functionality you were asked for. That is a lot of code to take an item from a select box and add it to a list. Knowing that developers leave I would not want to inherit a solution like this.

To put it in car terms you built a 911 when the customer was asking for a vw bug.

whichdan 1 hour ago 0 replies      
As someone who has interviewed 50+ developers in the past six months: that code sample would absolutely get you an in-person interview. Your code is fine and the company was probably just giving you a cop-out answer for whatever reason. Don't be discouraged; you should keep interviewing!
mattkrea 2 hours ago 0 replies      
You missed #3 as far as I can tell.
jqm 1 hour ago 0 replies      
"After a car has been added to the wish list, the select box should default to the first alphabetically available car from the same make".

Doesn't happen. Leaves the make and returns to top make after selection.

Has anyone ever gotten in trouble for working on side projects during work hour?
6 points by vivivi  4 hours ago   4 comments top 2
wallflower 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Don't do it. They can find out anything. As if they were watching a live-stream of what you are doing. By law, employers have access to monitor anything and everything that happens on company property. Company property, in the modern sense, includes laptops, company-issues phones, tablets, and the wired and wireless networks. They have every right to in-near-real-time perform surveillance of what you are doing.

As for employee IP agreements and contracts, it really only becomes litigious if there are large sums of money involved.

For example, Mayo Clinic v. Peter L Elkin, MD


There are cases of litigation against 'small fish' I can't find references for at the moment.

In most cases, they will go after you with non-compete (which is not really legally enforceable in California). Technically, if the company you work for is big enough - you can be 'competing' with them.

mtmail 2 hours ago 1 reply      
I know a guy who got into trouble write a <insert favorite programming language> module and putting it in a public repository. The module solved the current task. It was easy to install and had documentation. All good? No. The company claimed he spent extra (meaning unnecessary time) cleaning up the code and making is usable for other companies. Also I think he didn't attribute the company. They claimed full copyright to the module, co-maintainer status and reimbursement (money back from the outsourcing company, not sure if they could have deducted part of the salary).To be save I would even suggest to invest in a second laptop so the company can't claim you used company resources at home after work.
I want siri on my Macbook
5 points by m1117  9 hours ago   6 comments top 3
csixty4 5 hours ago 0 replies      
There's Sinus[1], but it's been in beta forever.

[1] http://www.raffael.me/sinus/

ar_turnbull 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I'd rather have a more functional Spotlight out of the box, but Flashlight and Alfred fill that hole nicely.

(actually I'd love to have a text-input Siri on my phone)

api 8 hours ago 1 reply      
But "Desktop is dead!" (even though everyone uses it and everything is made on a desktop)
Ask HN: How do you live in the moment?
3 points by J-dawg  9 hours ago   5 comments top 5
wallflower 18 minutes ago 0 replies      
When I wash dishes by hand, I find it pretty calming. Especially after a big family dinner with all the siblings. With all the attendant pots, pans, dishes. I think doing a repetitive task where you have to pay some level of mechanical attention to the task (e.g. hand washing wine glasses) helps free up part of the cognitive overhead that you usually dedicate to 'over thinking, worrying, pondering'. For some, it might not be washing dishes - my sister loves raking leaves - the non leaf-blower - you're never really done because the leaves keep on a'falling way. I think we all know our handful of activities that we enjoy doing - but aren't as fundamental as breathing (where it is kind of like being in an isolation tank - too isolated, pure).
sighype 7 hours ago 0 replies      
If you truly lived in the moment, I'd assume your behavior would be like a random walk. The truth of the matter is that your behavior is conditioned on the past.

Maybe take a course on stochastic processes to clear your mind. (I'm joking, for the record. But hopefully the point has been made.)

rsto 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I would not dismiss worries and anxiety as a waste of brainpower. Simply repressing them for being productive right now can bite you in the long run. If possible, try to find their root cause without getting lost in navel gazing.

It might help to ask yourself what it is that you are worried about the future? Are there any steps you could do to prevent such an outcome? Personally, I found that writing down my thoughts helps a lot. Not only does it help to focus on the particular problem, but in the long run I see patterns of my fears and anxieties.

Regarding reading on the subject: I really like the book "How to stay sane" by Philippa Perry (The School of Life). It is a small, sober self-help book and as far away from the myriads of questionable pep-talk guidebooks as it can get. It also touches self-awareness which IMHO is key to sane "living in the moment".

taternuts 9 hours ago 0 replies      
In my experience, it's actually very hard to do so. It takes active practice to reinforce a way of thinking that's just not natural. You can check out "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle for suggestions and techniques to quieting your mind. I believe one example for those just starting out is to observe your inner monologues as they happen and simply note them. It has an interesting side effect of stopping your wandering thoughts in it's tracks sometimes. For about 5-6 months I was able to practice "being in the now" and I have to say it really was worth doing and I wish I was better able to stay in that frame of mind for longer. Alas, with most things if you don't practice it then you generally lose it.
percept 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This is inspired by vipassan, but one technique is to not fight thoughts as they arise (which can be counterproductive), but rather to acknowledge and understand them for what they are: unreality.

So when worry arises, you might try labeling it in your mind: "Worry, worry, worry." That may sound trivial, but you may also find it calming.

Can you really be defined by a decision you once made?

Ask HN: How to get started with paying side projects?
108 points by zorba  2 days ago   36 comments top 17
charlieirish 2 days ago 2 replies      
It's great that you're ready to take the leap in to making profitable side projects. Typically most side-projects fall in to two categories:

1. They never launch

2. They never make any money

If you can avoid these two pitfalls, you will likely achieve one or more of a) earning; b) learning; c) increasing your 'luck surface area'. So, it's a good opportunity if you can do it. There are plenty of reasons why you wouldn't have launched including:

- you kept your idea secret

- you tried to do too much

- you underestimated the areas that you're not skilled at

- you assumed that if you built it they would come

- More here: http://www.startupclarity.com/blog/launch-first-product-what...

The reasons for not making any money, or rather not making enough money that you wish to pursue it are multitudinous but include:

- you didn't choose a profitable product idea

- you underestimated the slow ramp of death: http://businessofsoftware.org/2013/02/gail-goodman-constant-...

- you charged too little

- you didn't solve a problem for people who were willing to pay you

- More here: http://www.startupclarity.com/blog/find-profitable-product-i...

I hope that helps and Good Luck!

petercooper 2 days ago 1 reply      
My business is formed of once side projects that gained traction and I doubled down on. My "in hindsight" advice is to choose whether a project is to be optimized mainly for fun, learning or money ahead of time - each radically changes how you (should) begin.

The first two are kinda easy, but if it's "money", work from the money back to the idea rather than figuring out how to make money from a certain idea. Who's spending money, where, and on what? What sort of people do you have exposure to (on Twitter, HN, wherever)? How could you improve on something people already spend money on? Etc.

rachelandrew 2 days ago 0 replies      
I think picking the right idea is the most important thing. A lot of the "never launched" side projects I see were just too big an idea to do as a side project. You need something relatively small, that you can build and launch quickly in a short amount of time. Find a problem that people are willing to pay to have solved, but that is relatively small in terms of time to develop a solution that will solve the problem.

You can do this as a side project because there are lots of things that can make a great side project, bring in a few 1000 dollars a month or more, but wouldn't be interesting to someone trying to launch a business they want to scale.

Look at tools and plugins for software people use already, especially software that has a reasonable pricetag and that people us in their businesses. Anything you can sell to people for whom time is money is a really good start!

I launched a side project 5 and a half years ago which went on to become our entire business. I wrote about that, in a way that I hope will help other people do the same, in my book The Profitable Side Project: http://rachelandrew.co.uk/books/the-profitable-side-project

cykho 2 days ago 1 reply      
1 - build an online portfolio of work (if you don't have one do personal/free projects to build it.

2 - go on elance/odesk to find some paying clients (pay is low, but easy to find). You can also use this to try different things and discover what kind of work you enjoy best. you can also call some technology consulting firms - they are always looking for talent.

3 - specialize in that area. tailor your website/blog to talk exclusively about that technology. between the inbound from your site and client base from consultant you'll easily be able to build an overwhelming referral stream.

bchjam 2 days ago 1 reply      
Well, do you want to challenge yourself technically or are you more interested in making money? I think that the approach would be different in both cases (and following the money you may still feel unfulfilled intellectually).

For me, I wasn't sure if I still wanted to program, so I went back to the things that got me excited when I started (math models of perception) and I fell in love with it all over again. Now my dilemma is turning that back around and actually working on what I'm most passionate about in a full-time setting. In the meantime, hobbying it is better than not doing it at all

kidlogic 2 days ago 0 replies      
Take my advice with a grain-of-salt - I am not a strong developer. However, I do have experience in the Operations side of small businesses.

Since this will be a side-project (and your time is limited), try automating as many aspects of the business from the beginning. I am not implying that you should BUILD automation into the onboarding process, but use services like Zapier to make your life a bit easier.

mandeepj 2 days ago 0 replies      
Please refer to this thread - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8844083
steakejjs 2 days ago 0 replies      
In my opinion the best way to start a profitable side projects is to limit the scope of the project.

I fall into the category of starting too many things that I don't finish. I've recently realized that the size of the things I was working in was just way too big, especially since When working on a side project you are working around your life schedule.

After limiting the size of my projects I've found I am completing all of them

walshemj 2 days ago 1 reply      
You also need to check with a lawyer to see if you will run into legal problems with your day job and to check what IP implications there are.
tjlivesey 2 days ago 1 reply      
Choose something that interests you and something you want to use yourself if possible. If you can also try out a new language or some new technologies along the way, even better. If you build something with no expectations of making money, then everything is a bonus and you have had fun and maybe picked up some new skills. I would say for most side projects, the majority of the value is not gained from the revenue. Having said that, completing something and putting it out there is the most important part. Good luck!
leesalminen 2 days ago 0 replies      
Keep your eyes open, ears at attention and talk to all different kinds of people.

If you really pay attention, something will stick out at you.

You'll likely have many ideas. Research them all, come up with some kind of a plan for each. Sit on them for a while...one of them will jump out at you.

wj 2 days ago 1 reply      
It sounds like the book Start Small Stay Small by Rob Walling was written specifically for you. I really enjoyed it. He also has a free ebook of his blog posts at softwarebyrob.com.

His advice exceeds anything I could offer you.

jsonmez 2 days ago 0 replies      
I did a short video on this topic, since I get asked it so much.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjAf0TvrhYI
dmourati 2 days ago 0 replies      
Try odesk. Set a high rate and be choosy in who you work with.
jqm 2 days ago 0 replies      
Getting started with side projects is the easy part. Getting finished is the real trick. And the payment part seems to come largely after the second step (if at all).

I build small web apps for companies on the side. Little data management things the office can share... something like you might make with Access but obviously a lot nicer, more customized and networked. I host them also and charge a monthly fee. I don't think this is a way to get stinking rich. But it keeps me busy after work.

jbranchaud 2 days ago 0 replies      
A lot of people have been linking to Assembly lately, but is there anyone actually supplementing their income with it? Is it at all common to do so?
spiritplumber 2 days ago 1 reply      
Make sure that the people who you are working for during normal hours don't try to make predatory claims on your side-project IP, to start with. Apply the minimum amount of violence necessary to ensure this, preferably zero.
Ask HN: Best Sites for UK Job Search
3 points by LTheobald  6 hours ago   2 comments top 2
ig1 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Find the companies you want to work for and reach out to them directly. Even if the company doesn't have a current opening they may be willing to create a role for you or put you on-top of the pile for when a role does open up.

It's more hard-work than submitting CVs but it gives you a much better chance of finding a job you love.

srgvd 6 hours ago 0 replies      
While not a job-posting board, but rather a once-a-year event, I still can recommend Silicon Milk Roundabout: https://www.siliconmilkroundabout.com/startups

You might browse through current London's startup needs.

Ask HN: What do you do when your website seems to be penalised by Google?
38 points by mmavnn  18 hours ago   20 comments top 8
patio11 18 hours ago 2 replies      
This is a hard thing to debug from outside the Googleplex, but you are currently serving a canonical tag:

<link rel="canonical" href="http://blog.mavnn.co.uk/type-providers-from-the-ground-up">

for a URL which cannot possibly return an HTTP 200. (It 301s to a URL with a / on the end.)

This combination could cause Google to conclude that you have no page which requires inclusion in their main index.

mtbcoder 14 hours ago 1 reply      
Regarding the spam sites, in your RSS feed, you are publishing your full articles. More than likely, the scraper sites are pulling directly from these feeds, publishing quickly and getting Googlebot to see the content before it hits your site (thus receiving attribution). I would suggest:

1) Summaries only in RSS feeds.2) Throttle the RSS feed back by several hours so that your latest article is not listed immediately.3) Upon publishing, immediately link to the article via all of your social media outlets.4) When internally linking within articles, use full URL paths and not relative. (If the spam sites are directly pulling your content and not cleaning up, you may be able to get a link back to your site from the scraped content.)

When publishing, timing is everything. Just my $0.02 based on my own experiences dealing with spam sites.

On a side note, even though we are in the age of HTML5, I would still suggest sticking with one H1 tag per page, if possible.

dredge 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Early last year Google asked people to report such problems. You probably won't see any direct impact from doing so, but there's no harm in trying.

The form is still live at least: http://searchengineland.com/google-scraper-tool-185532

JVerstry 17 hours ago 0 replies      
First, make sure your sitemap.xml is exhaustive. Then, check the number of indexed pages in Google Webmaster Tool (after a couple of days if you had to update you sitemap). If few pages are indexed, go through this checklist at https://ligatures.net/content/expertise/site-not-indexing-ch... to fix possible issues.If your pages are still not displayed in search results, then you are likely another victim of a well-known chicken-and-egg problem for content based sites: you need links for ranking and you need ranking to attract links. Yet, most niche are saturated and you are likely crushed by competition.The only efficient way out is to obtain dofollow backlinks from sites/blogs which are:i) Not under your control (i.e., a forum profile link is under your control...)ii) Editorially reviewediii) Have relevant topics to yoursiv) Which are already trusted by Googlev) Which are popularOther links won't make much of a difference.
borrame 17 hours ago 0 replies      
I have the same situation, without manual actions in webmaster tools my website was wiped from search since 5th Dec 2014.

It appears if you search domain.com and if you search site:domain.com but if you search just "domain" it doesn't appears and the website has been more than 10 years well indexed.

I'm very worried because I can't contact google to know what happens because as I said I don't have manual penalties to reconsider and I'm losing my own users that search for the domain.

rfergie 18 hours ago 2 replies      
Have you registered your site with Google webmaster tools (https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/)?

That would be a good first step for seeing if Google are having specific trouble with anything on your site

kevinbowman 17 hours ago 0 replies      
Presumably all of the spam copies are actually harming your rankings as well, as Google will see those as duplicate content.

(Note that I'm guessing here, I have no particular authority in the area)

franze 15 hours ago 0 replies      
hi, first things first

do not use the word "penalty" - you want to show up for a certain query in google, you think you should show up for it, you don't show up for it.

that is the issue, nothing else.

you formulated a hypothesis: you think your site is "penalised by Google"

ok, go to google webmaster tools and verify

  - http://blog.mavnn.co.uk/  - http://mavnn.co.uk/  - http://www.mavnn.co.uk/
check the "Site Messages" navigation point of all these domain variations, if you have a penalty, then there will be a message. pro tip: only ever talk about "penality" if you get a message that says you have a "penality". (everything else is just SEO b#llshit talk)

my guess: there won't be such a message.

ok, the second quess is the wrong canonical, you already fixed that one. but: if you point a canonical to an HTTP 301 redirect, and the redirect points back to the original URL google will basically ignore the canonical. the canonical could have been the issue, but as https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ablog.mavnn.co.uk%2Fty... has been indexed (without ending slash) i doubt it.

ok, let's look at anything that might be unusual about your site

i.e.: your start pagehttp://www.mavnn.co.uk/

basically it consists out of a "Hello World" and a link to a broken URL and a link to a piece of duplicated text.

"Hello World" is a typical "this server was just set up, nothing to see here" message.

your start page is not indexed (see: site:http://www.mavnn.co.uk/ )

that is strange. let's formulate a hypothesis.

your startpage communicated a basic "this server has just been set up, nothing to see here" message. google has a) no interrest into indexing such websites b) the webmasters are pretty pissed, if their newly set up servers are indexed in this way, as newly set up servers are usually not very secure, yet

additional google sees common subdomains i.e. blog.example.com as part of the main site and not as independent webproperties (yeah, they figured that one out quite some time ago).

hypothesis: you communicate via your startsite that your website is not yet - probably - set up and that is why it does not send you traffic.

my bet is, that this is the case. why? because you startpage is the one thing that is definitely not ... like other websites our there.

fix it, two possibilities: http://www.mavnn.co.uk/ -> HTTP 301 -> http://blog.mavnn.co.uk/

or you set up a proper startpage, some text what this is, some links to your other ressources.

after you have done one of this, do a fetch-as-googlebot (via google webmaster tools) and click the "submit to index" button.

wait two days.

if not, test another hypothesis or post in the google webmaster forum, actually google guys dig these kind of errors.

Open Source Project - Restaurant Order Management App
12 points by banditx  10 hours ago   4 comments top 4
abdelhadikhiati 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I can help abdelhadikhiati [at] gmail.com
nanospeck 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Wow.I can help contribute. akhil[dot]karun[atttttt]gmail.com
prodev 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I would like to help on this.prodev321[AT]aol[DOT]com
sumitarora85 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I can help er.sumitarora@gmail.com
Ask HN: What do you need in HN search?
62 points by jlemoine  12 hours ago   54 comments top 29
boundlessdreamz 11 hours ago 3 replies      
1. A more powerful time filter would be very useful (Last week, last month, last year, custom range where dates can be picked).

Without this search is not very useful to me at the moment. So I use Google to search HN since they do offer a filter

2. Points filter and comments filter would also be great (> 10 points and/or > 5 comments). I get lot of results which have no activity

evanwolf 2 hours ago 0 replies      

I'd love to see people-search-results beside the regular results. Who were the top submitters and commenters on links/comments related to my search? so HN identities like jlemoine.

Bonus points for people mentioned as subjects or authors in the stories/comments (and the articles the links point to) without an HN identity. Recognizing human names would be huge. Searching HN for Captain America, Linus, Steve Jobs, Paul Graham, or your own name should be popular.

evanwolf 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Permalink the query and add comments. So "https://new-hn.algolia.com/?experimental&query=GOTHAM%20-man... can become a destination for conversation.
biot 9 hours ago 1 reply      
The one thing I do like about the new search site is that it doesn't open everything up in a new tab... something that is an annoyance with the current search. Please keep it that way! If I want something in a new tab, I'll just Ctrl+Click on the link.

Some other issues:

* Stories which have no external URL (text submission only) have titles which are not clickable.

* Comment results link to the submitted URL of the story. I was expecting the link would go to the comment itself, though this is likely a personal preference. When I view an individual comment, I either want to see all the other comments on the story or see the context by navigating to the parent if the comment is a reply. Seldom would I expect to view a comment several replies deep and then want to read the story.

* Clicking on the time reference (eg: "an hour ago") takes you to the anchor for the comment within all comments in the story, whereas clicking the "comments" link takes you to the specific individual comment. This is backwards.

* The up arrow shown in results seems to have no function. While it preserves the HN feel, it breaks expectations by having a different behavior. As it's unlikely upvoting from an external site is going to ever work, this should be changed to some other visual indicator.

Poiesis 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Well, my large corporate employer uses Websense which seems to categorize hn.algolia.com as ("Category: hacking"), and blocks all queries (HN itself is fine). So I guess I'd say I need...search. Maybe you can get off the blacklist/on a whitelist?
JDiculous 11 hours ago 1 reply      
How about making the site responsive/mobile-friendly first before tackling search?
ANTSANTS 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I haven't been able to produce a reliable test case, but I have noticed that fairly often, I try to search for a story or comment that I know exists, that I distinctly remember seeing in the past, and I won't be able to find it. Then randomly, perhaps after reposting said article, I'll try again later, with the exact same search terms, and it will show up in the results. Then a few days later, I look it up again, and it doesn't show up anymore.

I'm sorry that that isn't a terribly helpful bug report, but I think you have a frustrating bug in your backend somewhere.

A more concrete issue present in both the old UI and the new one would be that there is some kind of problem with your search form such that, on iOS Safari, the multiple forms control with the little arrows to select between fields pops up, even though there is only one field. This means you cannot see the search results while you are typing, when you would otherwise be able to see at least the title of the first result. Also, hitting "Go" (or now "return") doesn't make the input control go away, you have to hit the X next to the field select arrows to view the results, which manages to trip me up every time. I'm not a web guy though, so I don't know if that last one is inevitable for this kind of form or something.

jrsmitchell 11 hours ago 1 reply      
I like the additional filtering in the experimental interface, for example to switch between "All" and "Hot". I could see that being quite useful. Though the experimental page has too much whitespace for my liking - I can see 5-6 stories on a page vs. 10 or so on the HN style page.

It would be great if it saved my preferences (Sort by, date range) since I usually end up flipping those values to the same thing.

One minor annoyance is "JavaScript" being picked up when I search for "java". Would be nice to have the option to search for whole words.

A very minor annoyance is usernames are treated the same as text in stories. If I search for 'IBM' for example, I'll get all stories submitted by user 'IBM'.

rgaidot 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Good job ;-) just for fun, I've build my own - based on Elasticsearch http://hnpaper.forge.partlab.io
getpost 11 hours ago 0 replies      
A search URL that does not change, preferably hosted on ycombinator.com. A search URL that does not redirect to Octopart, bless their hearts.
ludwigvan 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Notifications like Google Alerts. Whenever I add some certain topics, I want to be notified if someone adds a comment with those words.
tomw1808 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Guys I love your search, but what I am missing is that you index the content behind the headlines. So I've build my own, for example:


evanwolf 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Link back to original HN entry. Can't see it.
evanwolf 1 hour ago 0 replies      
"Ask HN" as a search category.
binarymax 11 hours ago 1 reply      
I ran into a problem today where I'm trying to find something I saw a really long time ago - so sorting by date from oldest to newest would be great.

EDIT - If I can filter by date ranges like others have suggested, I would much prefer that to my sort direction request!

sixothree 10 hours ago 1 reply      
The ability to search only my saved articles. I'm guessing HN does no link click tracking, but searching viewed articles would be nice. These would be especially useful if the text on the target page were indexed as well.
califield 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Perhaps this is too far outside of your existing scope of functionality but I'll throw it out there: I would really love a "Hacker News Alerts" feature. I make the same searches every week on a few key terms but it's a manual process.

If you could push new search results directly to my inbox it would be convenient.

lquist 9 hours ago 1 reply      
I used to use HN Search until the Algolia switch. Now I use Google site search. Why? Algolia just doesn't help me find what I'm looking for.
blablabla123 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Would be cool if it crawled the search terms of the target link. Often I try to find some HN post but I have problems thinking of the words in it.
SuperKlaus 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Shameless plug: HN Search http://hn.21zoo.com/
clarkm 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Custom date ranges with a calendar picker!
taf2 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Search over only articles I have read - I often want to find an article I read last week
redox_ 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Clickable with the experimental UI: https://new-hn.algolia.com/?experimental
ianlevesque 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I'd like something that searches the remote contents of the posted urls, sorted by date.
detaro 10 hours ago 2 replies      
The option to only search in titles, ignoring the full text of text posts.
digitalpacman 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I don't. I use Google site search. It's never failed me.
steveklabnik 11 hours ago 1 reply      
I _always_ immediately turn the settings to "All" and "sort by date"
gtani 9 hours ago 0 replies      
can you differentiate C#, C++, C? (I know n-grams means a much bigger lucene index when i looked into it)
biomimic 10 hours ago 1 reply      
A real customized algorithm based on vector space.
Ask HN: What's the best stack to learn?
4 points by karambahh  10 hours ago   5 comments top 4
read 49 minutes ago 0 replies      
Arc. Besides boosting your productivity, it will stretch your mind in ways you have yet to imagine.
smt88 10 hours ago 1 reply      
In general, "best" is not an absolute, and we can't really tell you what to learn, especially if you don't have a business case that you're trying to accomplish.

Since you seem to be rooted in the web/OO world, taking a free Haskell course might be pretty interesting and mind-expanding for you. It'd also help you become a better web/OO developer.

Take a look at Elixir, Rust, Go, and Scala, and see if any of those pique your interest. If it's just for fun, it doesn't matter what you choose.

(IMHO Node sucks. JavaScript is widely known and popular because browsers don't support anything else. Unfortunately, it's an absolute mess, and the Node ecosystem is incredibly confusing and crowded. Things like Typescript are improving JS a bit, but it's far from the "best" language for something large. It's still good for prototyping, though.)

percept 6 hours ago 0 replies      
Those weak front-end muscles need a workout. Try:


dreaminvm 9 hours ago 0 replies      
If you are interested in web projects using python, you should check out Django. There is a large, mature community and great documentation to get you started.
Ask HN: Techniques for surviving a job you loathe?
122 points by trevaa  1 day ago   76 comments top 45
ChuckMcM 1 day ago 2 replies      
Read? Sounds like a sad place but if you're really in a place where you can 'play games on your phone and sleep' then create enough automation to meet what ever goals your manager sets for you, and then start learning more stuff. You might also find organizational dynamics and management books fun to see how they apply in your current situation.

Some of the other folks there might be in the same boat you are, they are also your potential hires if you started your own company in the same area, so get to know them, figure out their strengths and weaknesses, what they are motivated by and what doesn't motivate them.

Talk to the managers and see what they are trying to get done (you mention they micro manage a lot) perhaps you can puzzle out what the group of them have been tasked to accomplish. If you like solving puzzles that can be entertaining for a while.

Look around for things that don't work well (are the printers always out of paper? Phones constantly ringing with no one answering?) see if you can engineer a way to solve one of those problems.

The bottom line is take ownership of challenging yourself to do something productive, don't wait for someone to either tell you what to do or "give you permission" to do that.

KhalPanda 1 day ago 1 reply      
It may sound trivial, but the first thing I'd do is ensure your diet is in check and that you're getting enough exercise. Being unhappy in other aspects of your life can really make a crappy job seem even crappier.

A 13-14 hour work day sounds pretty daunting. Could the pressure you're putting on yourself with the startup be making your day job even more unbearable? Your concerns about being beaten to market are understandable, but remember that there's almost definitely as much (if not more) work to be done when you actually get your product to market. It likely won't be a picnic, so making sure you balance your time between work/pleasure now is important.

And one last thing - if people can get away with sleeping or playing games on their phones all day, it sounds like a pretty 'lax' working environment. It sounds like it has the potential to be whatever you make it.

Sorry if I've stated the obvious & good luck!

lordbusiness 1 day ago 1 reply      
Sorry for terse list form, but I'm knackered after a long day and still have plenty to do. But I sympathize with your plight so here goes.

#1 Diet and exercise. Healthy body, healthy mind.

#2 Take the paychecks. If you can phone it in at work, and your employer is undeserving, then make money for no mental effort.

#3 Consider full time remote work. This is more and more viable. You can work for an awesome company with driven and smart people right from your home, or local library, or beach in Tahiti.

#4 Exit strategy. Focus on maximizing money and ease to move into something else. Get planning, and be selfish and strategic.

candu 1 day ago 1 reply      
Start interviewing elsewhere - anywhere you can find. Even if you don't plan to leave, having another option boosts morale and gives you more confidence to discuss concerns with your current company. It also gives you leverage in negotiating with other places you interview at - even if your local options are limited, maybe you can reach a remote-work arrangement with a company elsewhere in Australia. (Also: don't be discouraged if your first few interviews don't work out. Interviewing is a skill, and like any other skill it improves with practice.)

Take time for yourself and your personal development. While working on your startup at work is extremely inadvisable (see your legal concerns above)...if you feel like the pace at work is slow, do your work as quickly as possible and use the remaining time to move forward in some way. Learn a new language. Solve programming contest problems. Start a Toastmasters chapter at work. These sorts of things increase your sense of personal control over your situation; I cannot overemphasize how important that is.

Isolation is another dangerous trap. Find local developer meetups or board game nights or friendly pickup sports events. Talk with others about your situation. (For the same reason, asking here on HN is an excellent step to take. I'd wager most of us have encountered some variant of your problem. Also, asking people who aren't close friends can be surprisingly liberating, as you don't have as much emotional investment in their response.)

Hope this helps :)

vayarajesh 21 hours ago 0 replies      
What I used to do is go to office 2 hours earlier and work on my stuff, anything I liked and develop something. Rest of the day somehow passes with this good inner feeling that I worked on something meaningful that interests me.

Before I used to work on my personal projects after the office hours and I used to not like it sometimes because I am mentally tired due to useless day job. But working on my stuff early first thing in the morning keeps me going

I live in Dubai and there is no ground-breaking work done here - not even close - and I totally rely on HN to learn whatever I can and stay informed at least. Working on open source projects is the only way I see to get connected to the 'real' world of development and startups.

If you are willing to work remotely you should try the below sites - there are some good jobshttps://angel.co/jobs



With regards to balancing everything, I think once you get the job you love everything else falls into right place because majority of your day and week is spent on job which is 8 hours a day and if those 8 hours a day is fruitful the other minor issues don't matter..

benjohnson 1 day ago 0 replies      
For me, the joys of children trumped job fulfillment - my work became a way to make a reasonable income as my day revolved around my family.

Perhaps this may work for you as you make prudent steps to find a better work environment.

toyg 1 day ago 1 reply      
I've been there. There are actually two different issues in your situation: the boring job you can't leave, and the exciting job you can't start. You have to pick one, and go pedal-to-the-metal.

If you think your moonlighting has merit but you feel overwhelmed, look for remote partners who can work with you, and/or go hunting for finance. Finance is critical, because it will allow you to part ways with DumbCo without putting you and your family into hardship. If you can't face the idea of asking around for money, then you'll likely never be suited for business anyway, so just give up and dedicate yourself to the family or to bettering the company you work for, or to find a better (remote) job -- that's more or less what I did, back in the day; as depressing as it sounds, it worked out OK.

Btw, if at any point in time your employer (pedestrian web-design agency, by any chance?) takes you to task for you being "distracted", taking too many personal calls etc, turn it around as their fault: they clearly cannot motivate you, and anyway everyone else is playing on their phones.

The alternative to all this is just to put your head down and revolutionise the company you work for. Do things the way you think they should be done, the way that will result in higher productivity. Believe it or not, a lot of micromanagers simply don't have the bottle to repeat a challenge more than once, and after a while they'll probably leave you alone or recognise your approach actually has merits.

Both scenarios are really a way to say that you'll have to man up. There is no easy way out; but nothing risked, nothing gained...

rjdagost 1 day ago 1 reply      
Once due to life circumstances I was stuck for a few years in a job I hated for much of the same reasons (limited growth, very bored, yet simultaneously very stressed due to ridiculous deadlines). One thing that helped me get by was to have my employer pay for me to learn new things. I really wanted to learn a particular programming language, so gradually over time I built up a compelling case that learning this language would help the business. And it did help the business, especially after my employer paid for me to become an expert. After my life circumstances changed and I was able to move on I had a great new skill on my resume that propelled me to much better opportunities.

So my point is you should try to turn your current predicament into a launchpad for bigger and better things.

jmgtan 1 day ago 0 replies      
My situation is very similar to yours, am employed in a big enterprise software company and the work is very demoralizing. I do 2 things in my spare time, work on a product of my own, and do my own consulting business (development and high scalability architecture design), these 2 keep me sane and it actually makes me look forward to going home so I can do my own thing.

In the office, I try to help out the junior folks as much as I can, might as well make the best of a bad situation and maybe earn a bit of reputation as the go to person for software architecture. Also don't let go of your health, even if you don't like your job, no sense dragging down other aspects of your life with it. I tend to exercise every other day (alternating between cardio and free weights), and don't forget to eat healthy, it makes a huge difference in terms of your overall mood and energy level.

I think it's even worst in my place since my boss doesn't listen to other people's opinions and is more of a dictator. The result is something similar to the Fizz Buzz Enterprise Edition.

pragmar 1 day ago 0 replies      
You might think about keeping an eye out for jobs in higher-ed if there are any colleges or universities nearby. At least in the US, higher-ed jobs typically have generous vacation benefits and a better than average work culture. Unfortunately, they pay less than market, but for a lot of people, it's a fair trade. A couple extra weeks of vacation a year isn't the be-all, end-all, but it does go a long way toward moving the needle on a side project. Long-term, maybe figure out how to move near an economic hub--which I realize is easier said than done.
zeeshanm 19 hours ago 0 replies      
I think the obvious solution is to look for another job. I know some startups that hire for remote work in San Fran. Reddit does it among many others. There is a huge engineering talent vacuum so it's a good likelihood for you to find employment working remote. It may be easier to pitch a really early stage startup given you are not actively developing. You may not get scores of salary though but more than likely you can make a little over six figures.

I think by posting this question here you know what you want to do. Now, I hope you can just go and do it - good luck!

bearwithclaws 22 hours ago 0 replies      
Spend less.

I know Australia is an expensive country (and moving is out of the picture), But if you're able to cut down your spending by 50%, you'll be able to save enough money to quit your job soon. Apart from that, spend some time doing steady consulting to start building an alternate income stream. Once your consulting income can support your entire family, quiting is a no-brainer :)

DanBC 16 hours ago 0 replies      
You raise a bunch of interconnected stuff.

Here's a list of what might help:

1) keep a good work life balance. Make sure you're doin things you enjoy outside work. This helps you stay resiliant in work.

2) save money. Buildig up savings allows you to just walk out of work if you ever need to. It also allows you to spend money on other stuff - creating your product for example.

3) realise that actually you can just walk out of that job. Things would not be nice, but you would cope. It would not end the world.

4) gently start addressing the worst parts of work. Realise that you mght not be able to change anything, but try anyway. Make constructive suggestions at 360 feedback performance reviews. Make sure that what little control you do have is used effectively.

Protect your mental health! It's important. Good luck with the children too!!

jonnyscholes 1 day ago 1 reply      
Hey! If you're from where I think you are you should definitely make an appearance and a local meetup a friend (@joshgillies) and I run monthly called Web Developer 42. We have a couple of locals talking about anything from database security to git flow to front end design tooling. Beer, soft drink and pizza provided - and it's free!

Knowing local people who love what you love can make a big difference. Whilst dev jobs are few and far between down here, they do crop up - usually in smaller consulting firms. All of the consulting firms down here generally have a presence at #wd42. And everyone that meets really cares about the sorts of things on the Joel test - so any potential employers you may meet here are on the same page.

We'll be putting out the speaker list next week but in the meantime hit up our website (http://web.dev42.co/) and maybe follow us on twitter. If you want an email reminder email me and I'll add you to the announcement list.

If you are from here, shoot me an email (in profile) and we can catch up for a #pubhack, #coffeehack or similar. I'm not a hirer - but I love to code and enjoy coding with others.

Edit: I thought you meant Hobart (as it is literally at the bottom end of Australia) but was mistaken. Either way if anyone is down here on the last Wednesday of any month come to #wd42 for a beer. We're friendly only some of us have 2 heads!

trevaa 1 day ago 1 reply      
I just wanted to emphasise that while the employment situation isn't good, I'm more keen on actually starting a business thank moving to another job, unless something really challenging and exciting comes along. With that said though I would never quit my day job and lose that security until my product had paid me 1.5x annual salary. I'm in regional Victoria, but a commute to Melbourne isn't viable for me and all our family is out this way.
stealthflyer 1 day ago 1 reply      
I can relate, it is hard to balance the loathing/apathy, ambition, and family. Family comes first, so maybe the hours spent on the side project needs to be re-evaluated. If you have a relaxed environment, maybe you can layer your work and side project. Maybe you might find a coworker who also can help out. I would recommend talking to your manager to see what options are available (less hours, more pay, more challenging work). I like to believe good managers exist who would be able to help (somewhere, maybe just not at your place).

I try to make challenges at work by looking at things another way (e.g. switch a programming language or ask for another opinion). That will only increase stress though, so be careful because you might be in a good place if the work is easy and expectations are low.

What is your goal for the side project? Money, experience, or curiosity? Can you find another way to either get more money or more experience that won't involve you spending an extra 5 hours?

I can let you know that in my case I spent a small time looking around and evaulating options ultimately finding a slightly better job. Be optimistic.

mproud 1 day ago 1 reply      
Focus on the things that make you happy and get people interested in making you happy!

Maybe its being able to help a good person save $100 they dont need to spend. Maybe its spending time with your co-workers and reminiscing old times. Maybe its being able to play with your kids. Maybe its revisiting a hobby you put down years ago, or going on a vacation with your significant other.

Once youve found those things, tell it to people! Tell it friends! Tell it to your family! Let them see what makes you happy, and when you arent happy, let them guide you to why you do what you do. Maybe theyll suggest new things youd be interested in.

Yes, there are sweeping changes you make in life. However, you will always find small things that just suck. Focus on what makes you happy and find people who are interested in your well-being. If you still feel stuck, start by doing something (anything) differently.

overgard 1 day ago 0 replies      
I had some jobs that weren't that interesting on their own, but I found it was much more interesting if I made challenges for myself. Sometimes I joked that I was trying to automate myself out of a job, but then I tried to do that. Sometimes I'd just do silly things like try to game the system by solving as many rally/whatever agile points as possible in a day, just to make a point about how silly some of that stuff was. Sometimes I'd write scripts and stuff in a language I didn't know well to learn more. I guess it depends on your environment and rules, they may be more strict, but usually there's a way to make boring work more interesting by tying it to something else that helps you grow, or challenges you in some way.
chaostheory 1 day ago 0 replies      
You're not actually fixing the problem with 'coping'. You're only putting a bandaid on it.

> My home town is literally at the bottom end of Australia. Beautiful place but there are very few development jobs and no paying startups here. I have a child with another on the way. My partners salary is insufficient for us to live on.

Solution #1: Move to a bigger metro. You can even find a job before you move. Your new employer may even pay for relocation costs.

Solution #2: Another solution is to find remote work. Once you get it, start implementing solution #1.

bengali3 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Check out Rob Walling ( http://www.softwarebyrob.com/ ) if you haven't come across him yet, his book is subtitled- 'A developers guide to launching a startup' and it was eye opening for me (market first, marketing second, THEN build actual product). His podcasts called "startups for the rest of us" have great tips about overcoming and transitioning and I find are very energizing knowing others have gone through similar.

Every case is different, best of luck!

thaumaturgy 1 day ago 0 replies      
I have a slightly different point of view from most of the comments here so far.

1. Your #1 priority really has to be your family. I'm not assuming your family isn't important to you -- clearly it is -- but, it has to be more important than building a product or starting your own company. You're spending at minimum 65 hrs/week doing "not family", and that's a bit too much. You have 1.5 young kids, and what you do now, as a parent, will shape their future for the next several decades. It will change how they relate to other people, how they raise their own kids, and so on. If you want to have an impact on the world, focus on raising your kids.

2. So your job is your job. I mean, separate your self-worth from your employer. Show up, do what they ask, collect a paycheck, go home. One of the best things I ever did was step out of the computer industry for a few years and pick up a bunch of different jobs, including retail. I will still happily put in a lot of extra effort for any employer that wants it and is willing to reward me for it, but I can also show up every day, do the job, and go home, and have lots of other things to care about other than what's going on at work.

3. That said, if you can't learn how to do that, just show up and do the work and go home and forget about it, then you have to keep looking for a new job. That really should be your spare time gig, IMO, before other projects. It becomes your responsibility as a parent to try to find a job that values you and wants to pay you more so that you can provide more financial stability for your family -- and the best way to do that is with a better job, not a startup. HN is about the worst place to get this kind of life advice, because it's heavily skewed towards the attraction of risk-taking and the success stories when those risks pay off, but the reality is that the odds are not in your favor. There are a lot of bright and talented and ambitious people here on HN -- thousands, at least -- and of those, maybe only a handful have found something resembling wealth and stability, and of those, I'd bet most of them went through some pretty bad times. Do you really want to try to juggle all of that and a family at the same time?

I'm not saying you shouldn't work on your project at all, but that your priorities should probably be family, better job, and then project, in that order.

And, the consistent advice on HN is not to worry too much about being beaten to market. If someone else gets there first, it gives you an opportunity to see if there is a market at all for your product without having to suffer through the market research yourself (which these days typically consists of, "gosh, I really hope someone buys my product/service"), and you get to see what kind of mistakes they make, and learn from them. If it's a good market, there will be room for at least two of you.


There's a thing I do whenever I'm faced with really difficult life decisions. I sit back, let things get really quiet, close my eyes, and I try to see my futures stretching out in front of me like roads going in different directions. Each road represents a decision, and stretching out past my decisions aren't my fantasies but the most realistic outcomes I can guesstimate for each.

So, I would close my eyes, and I would see a road going off to the left, and that road goes like this: work full time for job I dislike, work hard on startup/side project, try to raise family on the weekends ... I am tired, and I am stressed out, because it's impossible to do all of that without getting tired and stressed out. Stress puts a strain on my relationship with my family. Project is completed and launched, and now I try to juggle a full time job, running a business, and raising a family. My health suffers. My oldest kid is 5 years old, and the business is still going. It hasn't failed, but it hasn't been a wild success either. I still pick up consulting jobs here and there to supplement my income. My kid is 10, and the business is stable now, but our relationship is a bit distant. I am responsible for two kids and a wife and a business and I lay awake at night occasionally thinking about that. There is a small disaster or two -- car accident, economic downturn, a health issue -- because few people get to go 10 years without a serious challenge in life. I am able to handle it but it's difficult. My eldest is 15 now, a rebellious teenager, and s/he knows exactly what to say to punch me in the heart: what do you care, you're always busy working anyway. The business is successful, we spend some of the hard-earned money on trips and a few luxuries.

Off to the right is a road that goes like this: work full time for job I dislike, swallow my pride and hopes and dreams and put down my project for a while -- just a while. I practice tolerating the job while actively looking for a new job and trying to squeeze the occasional raise out of the current one. A year later, I have a new job. I don't like it much better, but it pays more. I don't stop looking for new opportunities. I come home and have dinner with the family and spend time with the wife and kids. I'm not happy or fulfilled at work, but I can come home and leave the stress at work. I still poke at my project now and again, I take shortcuts, but I make progress on it as a hobby. Another year later, another new job, another raise. I take a small risk and hire a cheap freelancer to finish out a few things on my project. Somebody else beat me to market and they're doing well but their customer support forums are full of complaints. I launch my project, still incomplete, but I don't have to be stressed out about that -- my income doesn't depend on the success or failure of this project. 5 years later, and I own my own business, but over the years I've developed a strong habit of spending time with my family. I have a little bit of savings in the bank and my health isn't too bad. The business isn't wildly successful, and we've had to give up a few luxuries, but it pays the rent and does OK.

That's how I'd figure it anyway. Maybe there are other options too. Really try to envision each scenario. Try to feel like you're living in them. Try to make them realistic. Don't fall into the trap of assuming that a good idea and a lot of hard work is enough to guarantee success.

And think of your family as your first startup.

Daneel_ 1 day ago 0 replies      
I know both Allianz Insurance and Westpac leverage Mainframe and Java. Perhaps look at either of those companies? They both have Melbourne offices, so might be viable? I know Allianz has work-from-home options, so that might be an avenue if you can't commute, or you're in Tasmania.

And yes, I've hated working at some companies in the past. The best advice I have is to just to start looking for anything else you can find.. At least it's a fresh place and a new chance. If you're lucky, a slight pay bump too :)

jmadsen 20 hours ago 0 replies      
A few specific ideas, that I realize will only fill a certain number of hours, but still very good use of your time:

1) bring a notebook and do planning for your startup - it will get you away from keyboard & screen all day, there's no such thing as a project that too well-planned out, and you don't need to worry about doing it on company time if everyone else is sleeping.

2) as someone mentioned, automate everything you do at work, so you can use those techniques/what you learned doing it to shorten your 5-6h at night to something reasonable.

3) no doubt people at work spend a lot of time on social media - so you do it to, only with a specific goal of networking. That could lead to anything.

Last thing - are you really building an MVP? I'll assume it's a web app of some type; I have no idea what it is, of course, but 5-6hrs a day is 3/4 full-time. You should only take a month or so to build and MVP at that rate, so maybe you haven't pared it down enough?

iuguy 19 hours ago 0 replies      
Firstly, try to keep healthy. The worst thing you could do is to start making unhealthy choices.

I like the other comments about phoning in your job with no mental effort. Save your energies for your kids and your side projects.

I have a free 30 day email course on career hacking[1] to promote a book I'm writing. It could be worth signing up. It's focused on getting a career in penetration testing but a lot of the stuff in the emails applies to anyone looking to get a new job or change careers. The pentesty stuff might not be so relevant but a lot of the emails contain more general tips and advice that might help you find another job.

[1] - https://rawhex.com/

interdrift 1 day ago 0 replies      
I'm a college student and I'm also working as a software engineer.I'm somewhat close to being as occupied as you are. I'm also working on a side project while at home. I think the key to managing my life is prioritizing. You have to get good at prioritizing stuff when you are living a busy life. And the better you prioritize the better output you get.Also try not to get burn'd out while you are doing all of the stuff you do and don't forget to go to the gym and just wreck yourself there(read stay fit). Also try to sleep well. There's no general formula, just survive and win. About the work : I'm in the opposite situation where my work requires me to be constantly focused and come up with solutions, and my tactics are : give it all you got.
ryan-allen 1 day ago 0 replies      
My opinion is that you're putting undue stress on yourself with the startup. Your number one problem is that your 9-5 ain't so good and you need either another job or another income stream.

Startup income isn't going to happen over night, so I think your efforts are not worth it given you're already stretched with the 9-5. I would be spending time on looking for either another job or a remote gig so you can give the 9-5 the flick.

Have you considered moving to Sydney or Melbourne? There are a lot of development jobs in these cities that pay well for people with experience.

Don't worry about the start up, I think. It's like worrying about wining second division on the lottery. Only work on it if you find it cathartic. Find another job, move cities if you need to.

benihana 1 day ago 0 replies      
> & I doubt selling remote work (if I can find a reliable income stream) to my partner.

I'm confused. You think your partner would stop you from working remotely with a reliable income stream even though you're miserable in your current job?

icco 19 hours ago 0 replies      
I don't have a family, but I found two things to be really helpful: Going for a 30 minute walk outside around lunch every day, and having lunch or coffee with friends who challenge my thinking once a week. These two things let me reset during the day and lower my frustration at work.

As they say, rest and vest. The goal of this job is to bring in enough money to support you and your family while you work on your fun thing. You can do it!

yasirghufran 18 hours ago 0 replies      
Here are 3 things you should do:

1. Read the 4-hour work week. Its a book that will help you escape the rat race.

2. Start meditating. Every morning, just sit still for 10 min and imagine the things that make you happy. It seems foolish, but it works.

3. Make friends at work. That is the only way I'm currently able to survive my workplace. Im sure you're not alone, and many people in your organization feel the same way.Cheers!

bbcbasic 1 day ago 0 replies      
Hey. Sounds like we have a lot in common - both devs in Australia, looking to do something entrepreneurial but balancing that with home life. Please get in touch (see my email address on my profile page).
register 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Would you consider to partner with somebody on your product development? If the answer is yes I may be interested. I have a very similar mix of experience and background and I don't feel challenged at work as well, even if I am not in such a dramatic situation as you. I am based in Europe.
beenpoor 14 hours ago 0 replies      
Have you made sure your current employer won't come after you ? I am curious myself. I imagine if there's no overlap between your night and day job, you are okay.
Sophistifunk 1 day ago 1 reply      
TBH The best advice I can give is to move closer to Melbourne. I don't care for it here, but there's not a lot of dev jobs back home in QLD, either.
ryen 23 hours ago 0 replies      
Like others have said, use your time to learn new things at work.

And I agree your company likely has no grounds to your IP but what might give them some ground is if you're either caught working on your project at work or if your performance slips to the point they think you have somehow used your time for other means.

sien 1 day ago 0 replies      
Can you go part time at your main job?

Also, if you're in Hobart there are people around who are doing similar things. Surely there are lectures at UTas or something. Perhaps a system admin job at UTas might be a better option as well.

CSIRO robotics have people in Hobart as well. Have a look and see if there is something there.

Plenty of people work dull jobs to support their family.

plasma_coil 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Meditation. You have to just accept that a lot of corporations work this way. Meditate and accept it. It is very hard to find the ideal.

Have fun doing what you love and spending time with family when you are outside of work and you will learn to accept the mediocrity of the world.

atlantic 15 hours ago 0 replies      
Well, something has to give. Pick up your family and move to a more interesting location.
colin_mccabe 21 hours ago 0 replies      
Well, I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, ah, I use the side door - that way Lumbergh can't see me, heh heh - and, uh, after that I just sorta space out for about an hour...

Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.

jgamman 1 day ago 1 reply      
i doubt this is worth much but i've been in a similar situation and this is how i dealt with it:

1. try thinking about your life in 5 yr chunks - a steady paycheck to pay off my mortgage really fast (secure future) and manageable/flexible work hours to maximise time building a foundation for life with my little one before she turns 10 is a wise but dull way to spend a few years. knowing it's worth it, and why, may help with the grind.

2. find a minimum $$ number you can live with and then find the smallest company/association/NFP that will pay this. small companies may not need you to go deep, but they _love_ people that can go wide. make sure flexibility in time/location are agreed up front - see 1. Go wide in the weirdest way you can think of every single time ie, become their economics guru by focusing on the data visualisation first, not the SQL queries. refuse to use a spreadsheet at work. write reports in html and distribute as a package. organise an industry conference and grow it. seriously, you'd be surprised how much lattitude you can get if you actively pick to work for people that _want/need_ initiative.

3. understand stakeholders and how they influence the decisions your boss will make. see 1 and 2. try and frame every proposal as something that is both interesting to you and as something that will make your boss look good. build trust. be aware of being taken advantage of but remember 99% of people are reasonable so don't be too paranoid. creating and launching things is a habit not something you choose to do on a whim.

4. don't sweat the small stuff. it's just $$ - enjoy what you can and treat it as a process. understand where you're going, not where you are.

5. personal sanity - build or invest in something that can't be (easily) hacked by software. this is moat between your future business and the leech competitors. personal relationships are in this category as are delivery chains or quality>quantity. design and distribute a small range of programmable toys - partner with your local high school and build the reputation first etc etc...

6. look behind you occasionally. if you're not careful, you only look at the people ahead of you and how much more successful/rich/pretty/talented they are - considering how much of this is due to dumb luck, this will only make you depressed. stop occasionally and turn around - there are vast numbers of people around the world thinking exactly the same @#$@#$ thing about you.

7. again with the little ones. because it's important and you don't get a do-over. don't let their childhood memories be 'mum/dad was always busy' - when they're 12ish, they will barely want to be in the same room with you anyway ;-)

8. be with your partner - they're with you for a reason, make sure you don't just assume that will always be the case.

hope it works out for you.

pm 1 day ago 0 replies      
What city are you in? Sounds like Hobart.
TheSpiceIsLife 22 hours ago 0 replies      
Hey, I'm in Launceston, Tasmania. You in Tas too? Email in profile.
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pastProlog 1 day ago 0 replies      
> My home town is literally at the bottom end of Australia. Beautiful place but there are very few development jobs and no paying startups here.

You should work to go to events like Startup Grind Melbourne, or at least such events in Adelaide. Network, approach people and introduce yourself.

> I fear that someone will beat me to market (trying for bare minimum viable product).

This shouldn't be a big worry. Even if it happens, move on to the next thing.

> I also fear burn out (has happened before)

Pull back on your startup work if this happens. A job you don't like, new baby and your own startup you're working on solo and in a rush as someone might beat you to market sounds like a recipe for burnout. Your startup idea can be put on the back burner when the other things take precedence. You fear burn out, so you should spend less time on it. You're not really cutting down time from it any how, your brain is going 24/7. I often have programming breakthroughs after waking up in the morning, or coming home from a dinner. I guess I'm unconsciously working on the problem even when doing something else.

Maturity might be part of these things. As people get older, that they hear BS at work becomes less important.

A proper perspective helps as well. You say "the managers are micromanagers and the developers sit at the bottom of the org chart". This may be true, but you should look at it with equanimity. Just think logically how to further your agenda. If it's unfair or illogical that developers sit at the bottom of the org chart in a software company, getting emotional about it will not serve you. It is something you have no control of, you can only vote with your feet, and for now you've voted to stay.

tejasv 17 hours ago 0 replies      
One word: Zen.
Ask HN: Interviewing candidates for an accelerator. What should I ask them?
3 points by AndriusSutas  8 hours ago   3 comments top
phantom_oracle 4 hours ago 1 reply      
> We want to select only the best technical people (i.e. no business guys).

Problem 1: Bias

Problem 2: "Guys" (no feminism here) should actually be "teams" (even if they're all 23, white, male)

> what are the best questions I should ask people in order to gauge their technical aptitude and general awesomeness?

Doing this won't get you anywhere. You are a business accelerator, not Amazon hiring a genius who writes assembly that can squeeze out an extra 2% on their servers.

You should be evaluating teams (most important), their execution (also important) and their idea (least important but very valid).

Personally, I don't think you should be doing the interviews on your own, or if everyone thinks like you, should probably get experienced entrepreneurs to do it instead.

Please note that I am not insulting you or any of your abilities. It just seems that you have an ingrained technical bias and you may recruit highly-talented tech people but most of their ideas are shit and your accelerator will bomb-out soon.

What does it take to run a web app with 5K 10K users?
172 points by bw00d  3 days ago   99 comments top 29
karterk 3 days ago 12 replies      
The most difficult thing is going to be getting to 10K active users :)

These days RAM is cheap and SSD storage is also widely available. For a very long time, one of my side projects with 50K users was hosted in a EC2 small instance. With that out of the way, here are a few things you will need to take care of:

* Security (especially passwords) - Rails should take care of most of this for you, but you should ensure that you patch vulnerabilities when they are discovered. Also, stuff like having only key-based login to your servers etc.

* Backups - Take regular backups of all user data. It's also VERY important that you actually try restoring the data as well, as it's quite possible that backups are not occurring properly.

* One click deployment - Use Capistrano or Fabric to automate your deployments.

* A good feedback/support system - this could even be email to begin with (depending on the volume you expect), but it should be accessible.

* Unit tests - as your app grows in complexity, you will never be able to test all the features manually. I'm not a big fan of test driven development, but really, start writing unit tests as soon as you have validated your product idea.

* Alerts, monitoring and handling downtime - Downtimes are inevitable. Your host or DNS could go down, you might run out of disk space, etc. Use something like Pingdom to alert you of such failures.

* Logging, logging, logging - I can't stress on this enough. When things break, logging is crucial in piecing together what happened. Use log rotation to archive old logs so they don't hog the disk space.

rwhitman 3 days ago 2 replies      
Despite what the smart engineers of HN are going to prattle on about running a web app, it's not about systems infrastructure. It's about people. 5-10K user records in the DB, relatively speaking, is a small list and can be kept on a single pretty minimal server instance.

10K user records is not the issue. It's dealing with the humans who use the app on a day to day basis.

Typically getting only a small fraction of your user base to be active in the app is pretty challenging - if you can acquire them in the first place.

That said, having even a few hundred active users can tip the scales in terms of what is manageable, depending on what the app does and whether they're paying money or not. Customer support can be a full-time job or worse. In the early days your users will discover every bug and problem imaginable.

Biggest mistake I ever made was scaling up an active user base on a free product without a revenue model. Twice I managed to hit a sweet spot in acquiring active users but because I couldn't leverage the scale to achieve anything other than more work for myself, I burned out and it collapsed very quickly. If you make more money as you grow, you can afford to invest in delegating responsibilities or at least justify it. Otherwise you've got a very stressful hobby on your hands..

Quick add-on edit:

If you're launching a web app for the first time, the biggest takeaway you should get from the comments on this thread is anticipate that customer support will be a major challenge.

One of the best ways to prevent a flood of CS inquiries is aggressive logging and alerts to squash bugs or outages before they inconvenience too many users. Lots of great comments in here cover that point, so take notes.

jsherer 3 days ago 5 replies      
I run Minimal Reader [1] (which has about 5k users) and I can say that running a web app like this takes a lot of time and energy keeping everything running smoothly.

My service has a lot of moving parts, all of which are distributed among a couple dozen different servers. Keeping the technical infrastructure running smoothly requires a lot of data visualization of server stats, database stats, web request stats, worker stats, user stats, etc. I have everything piped into a nice dashboard so we can see if there is anything odd happening at a glance. When things break (and they will) you need to know where to look first.

Having 5k users also requires time to help them with support issues. Users generate a lot of bug reports, questions, and suggestions. To keep paying users happy, I offer a 1-day response time on support issues, which requires me to spend quite a bit of time sending emails.

Then, of course, if you want to grow the app, you need to spend time marketing it. We could talk for hours about this.

The list goes on and on. Feel free to shoot me an email (email in my profile) if you want to talk specifics about anything.

[1]: https://minimalreader.com/

soheil 3 days ago 1 reply      
It's relatively simple to create a server that can handle the traffic as long as your app is something simple. The 10k users you're talking about I'm assuming is monthly active users (means they visit your site once or more per month) I have a website (yes a "web app") with 120k active users per month. It's running just fine on a relatively small server. To get users usually you need to give them something to come back to because they feel like it's something that they can't do without, maybe something that only you can provide, and something that makes them feel good and causes them to keep coming back to you to get their dose. If your question is more about technical details, then I'd just suggest not to worry about that until you have to, ie. your server is crapping out right before your eyes, that's a good problem to have. However, one mistake that I have made is to give up eventually on something that I may not see the immediate value in just b/c it's bit too difficult to maintain. So having said that don't waste a second optimizing something that no one's gonna end up using in 3 months. Everything else is really just noise.
troels 3 days ago 0 replies      
That's not a very meaningful metric on its own. 5K users per day? Per month?

How's the distribution of traffic? Do people use it spread out over the month or mainly within the last or first days of the month? Do they use it on work days or throughout the week? Are they from different time zones?

What do they do? Is there a lot of write activity or is it mainly read? Is the read stuff cacheable between users or is it highly individualised. etc. etc. etc.

akurilin 3 days ago 0 replies      
Obviously this depends a lot on the kind of usage patterns your application provides, but in my experience you should be able to comfortably run a 30k _daily_ users (the total n. of registered users could be 10x-100x that, depends) web app on a single $200-300/mo AWS machine (with hourly payments, you can get a better rate by prepaying). Get a bunch of cores and plenty of memory and put both your web app and the DB server on the same box for ultimate simplicity. Postpone scaling efforts for as long as humanly possible, probably until PMF and accelerating growth.

With reasonably "low level" tooling such as Java/Clojure/Haskell/whatever and a properly configured Postgres instance you should be able to go quite far. You're very unlikely to be CPU-challenged in the web app (again, no idea what your web app is going to be doing, so it's just a guess), most of the memory and CPU will be consumed by your database server caching and running queries. You should be able to handle a good 500-1000 db transactions / sec without much hassle.

IMHO most of the challenge will be making something that 10k people will want to use daily, not actually being able to scale to that many users.

filearts 3 days ago 0 replies      
I run Plunker (http://plnkr.co) that gets up to 20k daily active users. Users hammer the preview server[1] all day long generating a significant number of requests (by default it refreshes at each keystroke, debounced by 500ms or so).

That server runs happily as a single servo on http://modulus.io with absolutely no need for intervention on my part.

The rest of the application has similar requirements. I have one micro-equivalent server running the front-end, one the api and one the thumbnail generation. In general, this requires no hand-holding by me.

If your site is not processing or memory-intensive it should be feasible to scale to 10k users with a single $5/month instance on DigitalOcean or an equivalent level server on Heroku or Modulus or GCE.

Good luck attracting your first 5k users!

1: https://github.com/filearts/plunker_run/)

kemayo 3 days ago 0 replies      
Depends on what the app does, of course.

I have http://ficwad.com/ sitting around, with Google Analytics telling me it gets daily users in the upper end of that range. It runs on the cheapest plan webfaction offers (and I'm making it even cheaper with some affiliate credit...). The only place where it's running into issues is email, which I had to write a little queue system to throttle the sending to keep it under the plan's daily limits while still making sure that the important messages go out first.

I could make it fancier and put it on pricier hosting if I bothered to monetize it in any way.

phacops 3 days ago 1 reply      
I have a little over 10k DAU for http://cronometer.com/ and it runs on 2 fairly small cloud instances + a cloud database. A single host can handle the load fine, but I keep 2 running to survive failures.

And it took me nearly 4 years to get that many users. We cant all grow like facebook!

animex 3 days ago 0 replies      
Are you talking about 5-10k simultaneous users? It's very subjective depending on the usage profile of your site. The best thing is to pick a service like AWS/Heroku/Cloud Hosting Service that allows you to grow your offering. After you get to a point of profitability, you can look at greater efficiencies like setting up your own hosting hardware depending on your needs, if that makes sense. Our company has grown to a point where we are looking at implementing our own multi-datacenter cloud to save on hosting fees. But that's a good problem to have :D
zamolsys 2 days ago 0 replies      
1. First off, don't think too much about what programming language/framework to use. For such a user base you can use mostly anything and it'll run smooth on a low spec server. Using Ruby and Rails for a website with 5-10k users (assuming they're active users) will definitely not cause problems or empty your CC.

2. Do not invest time and/or money in learning another programming language or framework until you are sure that for a specific component of your product, programming language X will perform at least 2 times better with 2 times less HW resources.

3. Stressing again on the app stack (I saw some really pushy comments on changing the programming language), it is rarely the bottleneck of a web app. You'll scale your storage stack way earlier and more often than the app stack.

4. Know your data. That's how you decide if it's better to use a RDBMS, document store, k/v store, graph database etc. Like I said before, you're going to scale your data before any other layer becomes a problem so choosing the right data storage solution is crucial. Don't be afraid to test various storage solutions. They usually have good -> great documentation and ruby tends to be a good friend to every technology. There's a gem for everything. :)

5. Scale proportionate to your business/product growth. You will have to scale at some point. But be careful to scale proportionate to your growth. For example, if the number of users will double, get the hardware that suffices that growth. Less HW resources will lead to a slower user experience thus user dissatisfaction. More HW resources than needed will increase your costs and the resources that are not needed will stay unused. Why waste money?!

These are my 2c. As your business gets bigger - I hope it does - other problems will occur. But usually these things will last up to 100k users.

Disclaimer: this is for a generic web app as you didn't give us any details. Depending on the app, some of my points might be inaccurate or invalid.

mrbig4545 3 days ago 0 replies      
In my experience running https://thisaintnews.com the hardest part is getting and keeping users. It would probably be easier if I did some marketing, but that's too much like work! Still, it's not doing bad for something that's been around for 6 years, and hasn't been worked on in a year.

The second problem is motivation, after a certain amount of time, it becomes far less fun and much more of a burden, at which point you have to decide if you'll power through, give up, or quit totally.

The rest is just a software/hardware problem, and easily dealt with when needed.

As for the load, it's not that busy, but not that quiet for what it is, (http://stats.thisaintnews.com) and it runs on a cheap server from http://www.kimsufi.com/uk/, has a Xeon(R) CPU E3-1225 V2 @ 3.20GHz, 16Gb ram and 2x 1tb hdd, unlimited bandwidth and 1gbps link. It only costs about 25/month iirc.

david_shaw 3 days ago 1 reply      
Okay -- "what it takes" is a pretty broad question, but I'll do my best to put some thoughts together. I run a few web applications, but the most popular one is http://sleepyti.me -- with about ~50-60k views per day.

- A reliable hosting environment. I currently have a Linode VPS (basic $20 package, with $5 monthly backups) that runs http://sleepyti.me, my personal web site, an IRC server, a Mumble server, and a bunch of other stuff -- it's not even close to being maxed out resource wise, even with all the constant traffic the site is getting. It's important to remember that consistent network connectivity is a really important aspect here: a 30-minute downtime during peak hours can easily lose a lot of users. I'd say Linode is great, and I'm very happy with their service, but I also host several Sinatra web applications on a Digital Ocean VPS that only costs $5 per month (although I do my own backups, rather than using their service). I've noticed zero load-related performance impacts. Clearly, though, there is a limit to how far that can scale.

- A production web server. This probably goes without saying, but a lot of webapp developers are used to just working on their own dev environment. For my apps, I use nginx (and thin, when necessary).

- Security. Make sure that you have the basics of application security covered in your app itself. OWASP produces some pretty great "cheat sheets" that can help out in this area. Furthermore, make sure that your server is updated frequently, using SSL correctly, etc. I work in information security -- please believe me when I say that getting hacked is not something you want to deal with when you're trying to grow.

Hope this helps, and good luck with launched your apps!

jakejake 3 days ago 0 replies      
Since the article you point to is about programming then I'd assume your asking about the technical side of things rather that actually acquiring 5-10k users (which is very difficult). It's an interesting question, but as you have it phrased it's similar to "how long is a piece of string."

Firstly, the load of a web app is going to be dictated by what the app actually does.

Also 5k-10k users should be clarified as to whether you mean total users or concurrent users. Testing capacity can be actually tricky figuring out how the number of users equates to actual hits to your servers.

As an example, we have nearly 50k accounts but on average only a few hundred are using the service at the exact same time. I would guess that our app is fairly complex compared to the average app. We run 3 app servers, 1 DB master, 1 DB slave, and 2 cache servers. Our monthly hosting bill is around $1,200.

patio11 3 days ago 0 replies      
I think you're asking a capacity planning question. To the extent that you're asking a capacity planning question, for most apps in the Rails sweet spot (CRUD which takes data from users, munges it, and stores it in the database, perhaps interacting with a few external APIs and making occasional use of more advanced things like e.g. taking uploads and storing them in S3 prior to processing by queue workers), you're going to not even notice the day that your user count hits 10k.

If you back out the numbers, they go something like this: eight hour work day, worst hour has 25% of the user base actively logged in (we'll assume it is a very sticky app), 10 significant actions per hour implies 25k or so HTTP requests which actually hit Rails, which is less than 8 requests a second. You can, trivially, serve that off of a VPS with ~2 GB of RAM and still have enough capacity to tolerate spikes/growth.

Let's talk about the more interesting aspects of this question, which aren't mostly about capacity planning:

Monitoring: Depending on what you're doing, at some point between 0 users and 10k users, the app failing for long periods of time starts to seriously ruin peoples' days. Principally, yours. Depending on what you're doing, "long periods" can be anything from "hours" in the general case to "tens of minutes" for reasonably mission-critical B2B SaaS used in an office to "seconds" for something which could e.g. disable a customer's website if it is down (e.g. malfunctioning analytics software).

I run a business where 15 seconds of downtime means a suite of automated and semi-automated systems go into red alert mode and my phone starts blowing up. I don't do this because I love getting woken up at 4 AM in the morning, but because I hate checking my inbox at 9:30 AM in the morning and realizing that I've severely inconvenienced several hundred people.

You're going to want to build/borrow/buy sufficient reliability for whatever problem domain it is you're addressing. I wouldn't advise doing anything which requires Google-level ops skills for your first rodeo. (There is a lot to be said for making one's first business something like a WordPress plugin or ebook or whatnot where your site being down doesn't inconvenience existing customers. That way, unexpected technical issues or a SSL certificate expiring or hosting problems or what have you only cost you a fraction of a day's sales. Early on that is likely negligible. When an outage can both cost you new sales/signups and also be an emergency for 100% of your existing customer base, you have to seriously up your game with regards to reliability.)

Customer support:

Again, depending on exactly what you're doing, you will fail well in advance of your server failing on the road from 0 to 10k users. Immature apps tend to have worse support burdens than mature apps, for all the obvious reasons, and us geeks often make choices which pessimize for the ease of doing customer support.

My first business produced a tolerable rate of support requests, particularly as I got better about eliminating the things which were causing them, but I eventually burned out on it. I have a pretty good idea of what my second one would look like if it had 10k customers -- that would imply on the order of 500 tickets a day, 100+ of them requiring 20 minutes or more of remediation time. This would not be sustainable as a solo founder. (Then again, if that business had 10k customers, revenues would presumably be in the tens of millions, so I'd have some options at that point. There are many businesses which would not be able to support a dedicated CS team on only 10k customers, like e.g. many apps businesses, so you'd have to spend substantial brainsweat on making sure the per-customer support burden matched your unit economics.)

The biggest issue: selling 10,000 accounts of a SaaS app is really freaking hard.

pjbrunet 3 days ago 0 replies      
Depends what they're doing. With a Linode + LEMP stack you can serve millions of users. I'd say MySQL is usually the bottleneck but if you have time to perfect your software, there's no telling how many users you could serve from a good VPS account. Don't get caught up in the hype. Cost of the hardware is not really prohibitive. Finding someone that knows what to buy and what to do with it, good luck!
arihant 3 days ago 0 replies      
I'm not sure how system intensive Rails app is, but we ran a Facebook game with 20K daily active users on a $8/mo Dreamhost, back in 2008, with a fantasy league and all. My point is, unless you're doing something extraordinary, I doubt you would need more than a VPS.

As others have mentioned, multiple of those users can be hosted on an EC2 small instance. I suggest you start there. When moving to production, a bigger challenge is security, both in terms of intrusion and data protection. Making sure you have good rollback feature built into your rollout regime, because things can be fatal with real users. If you're using something that's basic like Heroku or EC2, you can scale way beyond that user strength with a click of a button. Scaling up would be least of your worries, at least for a few weeks.

If you're unsure, go with Heroku. Once you understand your system use, you can very easily switch to AWS and reduce costs.

darkarmani 3 days ago 0 replies      
> I am now wondering what it takes to launch and successfully run a website with 5-10K users?

What do you mean by this? Doesn't this depend on the usage patterns? Do you have 5-10k concurrent users or are these users spread over a day?

The operations side is a whole other profession that dovetails into the technical aspects of getting it running on a good architecture.

metaphorm 3 days ago 1 reply      
I can think of three things that you'll really really really want to be on top of while scaling up

1. your architecture must allow for vertical scaling. this means upgrading your hardware to beefier, stronger, faster machines with more CPU power and more memory. vertical scaling is often a very cost effective of improving performance.

2. your architecture must allow for horizontal scaling. this means being able to provision and deploy new instances of your application servers very easily, using an automated process. more servers running in parallel is a very effective way of handling increased load.

3. you must be able to monitor and protect your systems. https everywhere. highly secure passwords everywhere, and you should rotate your passwords on a regular basis. log everything and set up services to monitor your logs and notify you when weird/bad shit happens.

jacquesm 3 days ago 0 replies      
It mostly depends on what the users do. If the interaction is minimal and most pages can be rendered once and then served from cache you can run this on a laptop. If interaction is intense and everything has to be generated on the fly it could tax a mid range server. It all depends on the use case.
earth2jason 2 days ago 1 reply      
Well, I think good indexing is key. How do you have your indexes. If they are aligned with what is frequently queried then you should be in good shape. A database of 5-10K users isn't difficult these days for any major DBMS. The key lies in the other things attached to the users and items you query. That can run into the millions. Even that is not much, but depending on how many times you query a million row table, it could put a pinch on your optimization.

Good database mechanics is key. That is the most important thing in my opinion. That is really the whole point in rails when you are deciding relationships. The abstraction in Rails when deciding what should be the best model structure is the same thing as deciding what should be the best and most efficient table structure in your database.

The rave about MongoDB is that it (maybe not quote me on this) "cures" the need for the desire multi-dimensional database. However, even with MontoDB's ability to expand due to it's not needing a pre-defined structure and the ability to expand out dimensionally to a certain extent, PostgreSQL (claims anyways) is still more efficient if you correctly index your tables (think about how you will be querying) and create the correct relationships. Build out models. Allow flexibility.

Also, don't forget caching. Redis and performing jobs is key in certain situations. However, don't get caught up in too much hype. Especially those coming from closed source technologies (Not just talking about caching technologies here but everything in general). They will sell and produce an atmosphere of necessity, but do some research first. Don't follow the heard. I am not going to call anyone out on this. Just do the research and think why is that necessary. I've mentioned Redis a few times and maybe that isn't even necessary either.

Most importantly, put your stuff out there. If it crashes, so what! At least you know you have something. And then you will have people who will give you advice in a coherent direction if necessary.

I salute you in your efforts. Now the most important part is put it out there and kick ass!

You may even want to look into Redis which is a cache system.

saluki 2 days ago 0 replies      
@DHH's startup school talk says it best.

"Scaling problems rule . . . "


Sounds like you have the skills to grow this up to 500 to 1k paying customers on your own. Early on you can increase ram/cpu to handle any initial scaling issues.

Once you even have 1k customers you'll have revenue to hire experts to help you with scaling and security.

Good luck in 2015.

kentf 3 days ago 1 reply      
Before we sold WinJunkie.com we had:- 75K users- 5K daily w/ 10K burst on Sundays- Over 1M db transactions- Rails- Redis- Memcache

Heroku: $279 - 400 / month

shaunrussell 3 days ago 0 replies      
I am hosting upbeatapp.com on heroku's free tier. We have ~10k users, with ~250 concurrent at peak.

Getting the users and keeping your head in the game is the hardest part.

pmelendez 2 days ago 0 replies      
I have an online game that has 16k active users and for the backend I use a $90 per month dedicated server. I can share the details if you want but my point is you won't necessarily need a huge server to maintain 5-10k users.
majc2 3 days ago 0 replies      
Could you clarify if its 5-10k users concurrent? per month? per day?
atom_enger 3 days ago 0 replies      
I run Reverb (https://reverb.com) and there's a lot of good information in this thread. Backups, Security, Alerts, Monitoring, all good things.

However, the biggest piece to scaling your application is the automation of everything you possibly can so that you can scale when you need to. You're going to be in a bit of pain if you need to scale everything manually.

Here's a few things I automate using Jenkins:

* Creation of web application servers(whether it be Puppet, Chef or Ansible, etc) make sure you can bring up a new node quickly and scale your app layer horizontally. Ideally automate the addition of this node to the LB.

* Data store backup/restores to all staging environments on a schedule(tests backups/restores) this is done using some custom code and the Backup gem. This way your dev team has access to an env that closely resembles prod and can resolve current prod bugs.

* External security scans using NMap (again using custom scripts). The jenkins job will fail if output is not as it expects. This way if we change a layer of our infrastructure we can know if something is exposed and shouldn't be.

* Static code analysis using Brakeman

Information you're going to need to scale your infra:

* Metrics on each one of your hosts. Use DataDog if you can afford it, integrates with all major systems and technologies. Great tool.

* Log collection via something like Logstash or Loggly and being able to visualize your application and web logs.

* Application response time measurements using something like NewRelic or building your own using StatsD and tracking the heck out of your application actions

Last but not least, have a plan for failure. While you're laying in bed at night, ask yourself these question:

* What would happen if the DB went poof? Can I restore it? How much data will I lose from the last backup? Will I know when this happens?

* What would happen if you're now being scanned by 30 ips from the netherlands, all of which are submitting garbage data into your forms. Are you protected against this? How will the added load effect your app layer? Do you have a way to automate the responses to those requests so as to deny them? This is a case of when, not if. Be ready.

* What would happen if my site gets put on Digg(lol)?

There's no magic bullet here. It's just practice, failure and learning from yours and others mistakes.

Good luck!

lcfcjs 3 days ago 0 replies      
Probably the first thing would be to drop ruby and use the PHP Zend framework or node and a nosql db.
thinkcomp 3 days ago 0 replies      
PlainSite (http://www.plainsite.org) has about 12K users per day on average. Most of them are just browsing for cases, not paying, but some are paying.

The main stress on the system is really determined by the complexity of the SQL queries on each page. I've spent a great deal of time optimizing them, and I know there are certain ones that need to be further optimized. I have the database (MySQL) on one server, the web server and documents on another, and static resources such as images on a third, which probably isn't even necessary. All three servers run Linux and the database server has 48GB of RAM. They're hardly new; you could buy all of this equipment today for under $1,000 total.

The biggest technical bottleneck is really RAM; the biggest expense for this kind of site is bandwidth.

Ask HN: Salary in Stockholm?
56 points by gonecrazy  18 hours ago   85 comments top 19
tegeek 17 hours ago 5 replies      
Guide for Stockholm workers.

1. Average Salary for a software developer with 5 year experience. 32,000 - 38,000 SEK/Month.

2. You can calculate your take-home money here [1].

3. Average 2nd hand rental apartment (30-50 sqm) 5,000 - 7000 SEK/Month. Its easy to find single-person accomodation. [2]

4. The quality of an average apartment is pleasant. Kitchen & Laundry is fully functional from day 1 in every apartment around Sweden.

5. If you've kids, then day-care (preshool) is highly subsidized & generally good quality. All education is free for everyone from age 7-70

6. Almost everyone speaks English. You'll not find any difficulty even if you dont know Swedish.

[1]. http://www.ekonomifakta.se/sv/ (you can enter kommune as Stockholm & enter your salary and date of birth)

[2] http://www.blocket.se/bostad/uthyres/stockholm?sort=&ss=&se=...

pallinder 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Hi guys, as the CTO of a startup in Stockholm let me know if you have any questions. Incidentally we are also looking for developers (ruby on rails), we are well funded and about to launch our product in a few days.

Ping me on david@universalavenue.com if you want help/info/apply for a job.

JensRantil 17 hours ago 0 replies      
If you are an engineer you could join the Sveriges Ingenjrer worker's union to get access to their salary database. There you can filter/group by education, age, experience and lots of more.
ptaipale 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Can't really help you with salary figure negotiation, but make sure the other things are covered in the process:

1) Check what medical health insurances are be offered by your employer. The public health care is handling any serious things very well, but there might be significant queues to get check-ups or treatment for small things, and this could be mightily annoying. [0]

2) Check how the employer helps you in finding an apartment. There's rent control in Stockholm, the rental market is dysfunctional, and actual rental contracts are a thing like property ownership is elsewhere (except that it's black market). [1] [2]

These would be much more important than the last digits in you gross salary, out of which a significant part will be taken as taxes and mandatory social insurances.

Most other things will probably be the same regardless of what your employer specifically does, so you can study the materials published by the Swedish government to learn about social issues. [3]

[0] http://www.thelocal.se/20140117/hospital-queues-tied-to-insu...

[1] http://www.thelocal.se/20130723/49206

[2] http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014241278873242023045790529...

[3] http://work.sweden.se/living-in-sweden/social-benefits/

fapjacks 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Since we're on the topic, what would a good salary for a senior software developer be -- with fifteen years of industry programming experience -- in Stockholm at a startup? And at a major corporation?

Finally what about CTO or VP/Director of Engineering, with the same amount of industry experience? I'm trying to get a handle on these things before moving to Stockholm, as well.

NiklasPersson 18 hours ago 2 replies      

I'm in my fourth year now as a ruby developer. I make 34000 SEK/month.

mdeg 15 hours ago 1 reply      
How bad is the language barrier? I know most Swedes speak English (in my experience, excellent english), but is Swedish the language of business? I obviously don't speak a word of Swedish.
TorKlingberg 16 hours ago 3 replies      
33-35 kSEK/month before tax if you have a few years experience. There seems to be a very small span, so 40k would be hard to find.

That range is about 50k USD/year, if any Bay Area people want to have a laugh.

bertil 18 hours ago 0 replies      
Sweden has a tradition of equality that is very strong: salaries are very closely tight, so most engineer positions would fall within 35-40k Kr/m.
ThePadawan 16 hours ago 0 replies      
To get a better picture of salaries in relation to cost of living, you should probably also check out http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country... .
estomagordo 17 hours ago 0 replies      
When I was interviewing for various dev jobs fresh out of university a couple of years ago, we were discussing salaries at or just below 30k SEK / month. I finally ended up accepting a job with a similar salary, but elsewhere.

If I were you, I would not settle for anything less than 35k. Maybe you can push it to 40k.

simplegeek 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Right now, I am also a software developer (recently worked in Python) trying to find a job within Sweden. What are good ways to find a job in sweden, any popular job forums, websites and etc? Kindly enlighten.
alkonaut 17 hours ago 0 replies      
Not sure how startup salaries are related to other salaries, and there may be other benefits involved there. 40k/mo would be considered "good", and 30k/mo would be considered "not good".
edem 17 hours ago 0 replies      
You can check the real value of your salary on this site: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/
dzhiurgis 17 hours ago 2 replies      
Slight off-topic to non-Europeans: if you are planning to visit Europe, start with Stockholm.
sidmkp96 18 hours ago 0 replies      
Glassdoor might give you a good idea!
krat0sprakhar 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Kind of OT but can you please share some Stockholm startups hiring Python programmers? Thanks!
dagw 18 hours ago 0 replies      
Anything between 400000 - 450000 sek per year is reasonable for that level of experience.
kaugesaar 18 hours ago 1 reply      
400 000 - 450 000 SEK /y
Ask HN: As a co-founder, should development of minimum viable product be free?
9 points by supervillain  22 hours ago   7 comments top 6
bbcbasic 22 hours ago 0 replies      
I will echo what I heard on startupclass.samaltman.com, which I think is a very good source of information. I suggest you watch the series.

Basically a good foundation for a startup is the initial partners (ideally 2 or 3 people) get equal equity at the beginning. Any other arrangement would raise eyebrows as to whether all the parties are committed and trust each other.

It sounds like you only get your shares if you work hard and you get lucky, whereas the other people get shares by default. Also "when a working product is available" isn't watertight and is open to interpretation.

With the limited information available I would think the best option is to walk away. Look after your family.

-- Disclaimer: I have no experience in working for or starting a 'startup'.

mtmail 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I've done a 50/50 (well 49.9%/50.1%) unpaid deal once with a non-technical co-founder on a side-project. The product (website) was a key piece of course but while I started coding I gave my co-worker tasks, too. E.g. logo design, project plan, research.

Worked great for two months. He was waiting for a finished product but I still gave him tasks: write complete help pages, full FAQ, marketing plan, list of bloggers to contact after launch. I waited 6-8 weeks and got various excuses. At that point it was better to end the deal early.

What I'm saying is: make sure the co-founder is actually putting in time. He/she can't just wait for a (almost) finished product to sell. Basically make him/her work hard (with goals and deadlines and everything) for your engineering time. If he/she doesn't doesn't put in time then you might see the same low time commitment when it comes to fund raising, marketing or PR later.

curiousgeorge 22 hours ago 0 replies      
Complex initial agreements are a bad sign and suggest a lack of proper focus on how to achieve growth and share success. But if you are getting pushed in this direction, make sure the same agreement (ownership reflects performance) applies to non-technical founders as well. Document the obligations of your cofounders while you build the product, and establish ways to determine if they have met their goals. The point is not to be the only member of the founding team held to performance standards.

If the company cannot move forward until a technical product exists, you are investing in the company at a much earlier and riskier stage, since in addition to bearing product risk (will it work) and market risk (will it sell), you are also holding team risk (are your cofounders productive) and legal risk (if they bail, will you be sued for salvaging your investment as necessary).

Higher risk should translate into higher pay/equity. Don't let anyone negotiate your ownership down on any basis other than that their own disproportionately large contribution to the company (i.e. cash investment).

saluki 14 hours ago 0 replies      
It's typical to not receive compensation till the company is profitable and or funded.

Typically a 50/50 split is recommended between the technical and marketing/idea guy co-founder straight away.

You'll both have to do lots of work to make this a success.

It's risky for both of you to end up putting in a lot of work and end up with a cofounder not holding up their end of the bargain.

I'd recommend setting up the 50/50 split up front and then have a clause that if either of you are not actively working on building the company they surrender 50% of your share to use that equity to plug in a new marketing/dev person to pick up the slack.

It's all in the execution, hard work to make this a success. If you and your co-founder don't trust each other at this point it might be a sign he'll be hard to work with. Typically this early it's all roses and excitement. Maybe you are just getting to know each other though. The ventures I've set off on I typically go with a 50/50 or 51/49 split from the start.

As far as family goes. I expect you're keeping your good full time job and doing this on nights and weekends. Make sure you document that all development is done on your free time and that there aren't any clauses in your contract that would lead your company to believe they own any development you do on your own time. You don't have to alert them to what you are doing but it might be a good time to read anything you've signed.

Remember Ideas are the easy part and make sure this is a good idea that you want to spend a few months seeing your family less to invest your time in.

Remember keep your MVP simple, just develop the minimum amount possible so it's providing 'value' to signups. If the two of you can manually do steps/processes behind the scenes initially do that, automate processes later once you're growing and scaling.

Check out StartUpsForTheRestOfUs.com lots of great information relating to your situation and startups in general.

Good luck in 2015.

wmf 22 hours ago 1 reply      
The conventional and formal way to handle equity includes a vesting cliff and a shotgun clause. The result would be essentially what you describe, but be sure to have it in writing. Hire your own lawyer if necessary.
symbion 22 hours ago 0 replies      
Well, if he is also working for free, then it is "reasonable". If he is not, then why should you ? Unless the reward/risk ratio is very good for you.
An excessive list of free services for open source projects
21 points by velikan  13 hours ago   19 comments top 13
dewey 13 hours ago 2 replies      
Maybe this would work better with a repository on GitHub where people could add services via pull requests or issues?
phantom_oracle 4 hours ago 0 replies      
All of this is available here:


I just did a quick search for what you asked and this site seems to provide everything you are looking for.

Avoid the Not-Invented-Here syndrome (or don't if you'd prefer not to).

velikan 13 hours ago 0 replies      
BitBucket (https://bitbucket.org/) - Version Control - totally free for open source projects
Karunamon 13 hours ago 0 replies      
JetBrains has their entire library of tools (excellent IDE's like IntelliJ, RubyMine, etc) free for open source projects. It requires you email them for approval, but the process is quick and painless.


ozh 13 hours ago 0 replies      
https://semaphoreapp.com - CI

https://coveralls.io/ - code coverage history and various stats

http://www.appveyor.com/ - CI for .NET

abeppu 13 hours ago 0 replies      
YourKit gives licenses to developers of "non-commercial Open Source projects, with an established and active community" http://www.yourkit.com/purchase/
SuddsMcDuff 13 hours ago 0 replies      
declension 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Drone.io is cool, and free for open source projects too: (https://drone.io/pricing)
velikan 12 hours ago 0 replies      
miah_ 11 hours ago 0 replies      
You should point out that many of these are _github_ only. Horrible if you are a OSS developer but don't use that platform.
velikan 13 hours ago 0 replies      
@SuddsMcDuff, will include this in the repositoryit has some, but has not some
velikan 12 hours ago 1 reply      
@SuddsMcDuff, it looks like this repo is dead :(2 years ago, meh
velikan 13 hours ago 0 replies      
@dewey, you're perfectly right!
Ask HN: Is there any country that allows foreigner setup their company online?
52 points by alansparrow  1 day ago   52 comments top 17
mtmail 1 day ago 2 replies      
The UK limited allows that. There are many online services (law firms?) will help you for less than $100 USD. One of the first results I foundhttp://www.ltdcompany.co.uk/company-formation/starting-a-ltd...
jreimers 1 day ago 3 replies      
Estonia is trying to make this possible with their e-Estonia initiative https://e-estonia.com/component/e-business-register/
mynewcompany 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Starting the company in the US is actually the easy part; getting a bank account and/or merchant account can add complications. We've created a checklist here: http://www.mynewcompany.com/international.htm
rahimnathwani 15 hours ago 0 replies      
You are asking about setting up the company, but you will want to consider other factors as well:

- Where can you open a bank account for the company?

- What are the annual and periodic filing requirements (and fees) in regards to ongoing company registration (e.g. the Company Annual Return in the UK)?

- What are the tax filing requirements and tax rates for your situation?

- Do you annual company accounts need to be filed? Do these accounts need to be audited by a professional accountancy firm? Are there any exemptions from this requirement?

- What are your own country's laws re: determining the domicile of a corporate entity, for the purposes of calculating tax?

LukeB_UK 1 day ago 1 reply      
In the UK you can do it via Companies House for 15: https://ewf.companieshouse.gov.uk/runpage?page=welcome

Edit: Not sure about for foreigners though.

silver1 1 day ago 0 replies      
Read this fantastic blog ....matches your situation : it gives you info about everything (how to incorporate in USA, Physical address, Opening a bank account, cost etc.) .... GOOD LUCK!


gabemart 1 day ago 1 reply      
I believe you can set up a company in Hong Kong online as a foreigner. Additionally, I believe that there is no corporate tax for Hong Kong companies that have no business presence or operations within Hong Kong.
rgbrenner 1 day ago 1 reply      
I don't know SK law.. but would this really simplify things? Does SK allow foreign corporations to operate in SK without any paperwork? Seems unlikely.
justincormack 1 day ago 0 replies      
You also need to make sure that having a foreign company will meet your requirements for why you want to have a limited company, under local law.
danieltillett 1 day ago 0 replies      
It is relatively easy to set up a company online in many countries, the difficulty is opening a bank account.
_rahuls 23 hours ago 0 replies      
Can I register my startup in UK without even going there with just 15. This sounds interesting but are there any complications or hidden stuffs that I should be aware of?
known 22 hours ago 0 replies      
womitt 1 day ago 0 replies      
Our UK Ltd was registered in a day by evabookkeeping.co.uk after we've sent the documents, and we don't have anybody in our company living in UK.
joeyspn 1 day ago 0 replies      
I bookmarked this the other day. Check it out...


comrade1 1 day ago 1 reply      
Are you American? Have you tried contacting someone at the u.s. Chamber of commerce in South Korea?
lotsofmangos 1 day ago 0 replies      
UK, Isle of Man or Estonia.
bikamonki 1 day ago 0 replies      
Why do you need the company???
Ask HN: Best way to get a phone number for your startup?
4 points by jameshk  13 hours ago   8 comments top 8
backslash_16 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I really like Grasshopper (http://www.grasshopper.com), these days I use it for a second phone line for business-y stuff or things where I don't want to give out my cell.

Previously I had it at a consulting company, using the voice mail to email transcription and directory stuff (1 to John Smith, 2 to John Doe)

DrStartup 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I searched quite a bit and settled on Grasshopper.com. Main determining factors were price and web sip client support, i.e., make phone calls from your browser or mobile phone.

They also have an auto-attendant, multiple extension support, and voice mail to email capabilities.

cpr 11 hours ago 0 replies      
SendHub (a YC company, I think) seems like a good choice right now.

We left Phonebooth.com for SendHub and are fairly happy, though we're still waiting for a couple of features like which line was chosen from an initial menu.

Someone1234 11 hours ago 0 replies      
We used Skype. Just buy a Skype number, some Skype credit, and call forward (or answer digitally).
jameshk 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Thanks everyone, all great options!
presty 12 hours ago 0 replies      
are you us based? google voice?
blacksqr 13 hours ago 0 replies      
I have friends who like Sonetel.
cezarfloroiu 12 hours ago 0 replies      
Ask HN: Who all use YouTube only for music not the Video?
2 points by 3lackRos3  11 hours ago   4 comments top 3
mtmail 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I used to listen to last.fm "radio" which starting 2013 switched to just streaming one Youtube video after the next. Example http://www.last.fm/listen/artist/Deepcentral/similarartists

I've let it run in some browser tab in the background and there doesn't seem to be any time limit how long it can run. Bandwidth-wise it doesn't make sense at all. Owned by CBS Interactive so it's legit.

joeyspn 11 hours ago 1 reply      
I'd personally use it... even playlists, but... is it legal? Did you read the ToS?
tomw1808 11 hours ago 0 replies      
definitely, me looking at chromecast here.
Ask HN: Money or Career Growth?
7 points by iamjdg  1 day ago   9 comments top 7
JSeymourATL 12 hours ago 1 reply      
> What would you do?...career or financial freedom.

Go back to the hiring executive that made you an offer.

Explain to them you're almost all-in and you recognize it's a great opportunity. Additionally, you believe that you can be accretive to their team. Your only issue, the minor gap in compensation. Let them know you would be inclined to move laterally. Ask if they have any flexibility to help with the difference (differed compensation, bonus program, stock options, perqs, etc...)

Be prepared to show the last 2 years of payment records. The transparency gives you leverage. This is an instance of no ask, no get.

jedi_master 1 day ago 0 replies      
I was in a strategical position with my last company and was an asset for a few reasons. When I gave my resignation my CEO said what do you want, name a number. I told him it's not about money, I need to move on to grow my knowledge and experience. I could have said 100k and would be happily making my 6 figure salary while in reality at the time I was worth half at best. (Friends at the company tell me the guy hired after me is making 110k, ouch).

BUT, since moving companies I've gotten my hands dirty, I've had opportunities to use tons of new technologies and I'm in sort of a lead developer role now. Im not making 100k but I'm damn sure much closer to being worth it then when it was just "offered" to me by my last CEO trying to prevent me from leaving.

My knowledge is now tenfold what it was before. I learn more and more every day and work on solving exciting problems. I know that whenever I switch companies next, or am up for a review I will be making a major salary jump because I have leverage now.

Strategic career moves that increase your value/skill/knowledge will always lead to more money in the end. Justifiable money.

brd 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I am in a very similar predicament. I can rake in cash doing things I dislike or look elsewhere for employment.

The conclusion I've come to is I either need to be saving the money towards some specific purpose (startup, long term travel, etc) or I need to look for a more satisfying job.

The question I ask myself is can I do this for X more years so that I can properly retire (where X < 10)? And the reality is I can't bare the thought of doing it for that long so clearly what I'm doing is unsustainable. With that in mind, you might as well make a change now because why prolong the inevitable?

This is something I've been wrestling with extensively for the last year or so. If you'd like to have someone to talk to about it please don't hesitate to reach out to me (email in profile).

JacobAldridge 1 day ago 0 replies      
Unless you're very close to full retirement (age), the career growth is likely to be the far better choice both commercially and emotionally.

No point earning an extra $50,000 per year if you burnout in 2 years and have to live off savings for a couple of years while you pull yourself back together.

More importantly, I live by the phrase "Income follows Assets". Think about property, think about product development, and think about your own personal skills and energy as your assets. Career growth is an investment in your personal asset base - much like buying a house to rent out or coding a new product, there will be an investment (in this case, both time and lost revenue) and it sounds like there will be a return on investment (income following your new assets) in time.

GFischer 1 day ago 0 replies      
50.000 is a lot of money (maybe not so much if you're in SF or NY), is the new position a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity?

Do you think you will really have oppportunities being the "head honcho"? Can you turn the 50.000 into an opportunity for yourself? (your own startup?)

It's always easy to go down salary-wise, not so much to go back up.

coralreef 1 day ago 1 reply      
What would you do with more money? Do you know you would be significantly happier with that money, or know exactly what you would spend it on, or would it probably sit in an investment account?

What would you suggest if your friend came to you in the exact situation?

lxfontes 1 day ago 0 replies      
looks like you have already made your decision and is seeking for validation, but hear me out:


- burnout is real. check if your concern is an ongoing issue or a reflection of current events.

- grass is always greener on the other side. in 6 months you might be back where you started.

- you might close a door for something you are not entirely sure you will be good at.

- decide and don't look back.

You will still be saving a considerable amount of money, so I would consider taking the risk (and less money) in exchange for less grey hair ;)

Ask HN: Can I sell a SaaS service without a company?
45 points by emplier  1 day ago   35 comments top 17
simbolo 1 day ago 1 reply      
Even if you carry on launching this service 'just as yourself', that's being self-employed, or a sole-proprieter, you are the legal entity that is the company, and are personally liable for it. People setup separate legal entities 'companies' because it keeps their liability separate from their personal lives.

People can own many companies and it has no bearing on if they have a full time job with someone else. In your case you would setup a 'Limitada' (Ltd) company and this can be done online at https://www.portaldaempresa.pt

I'm from the UK, setting up a company is easy, cheap. Each year I need to submit a small set of accounts, and a tax return. The first time you do this might seem hard, but it's basically form filling, and after the 2nd time it's much easier and simple.

Concentrate on your product, when you take on investment or make profit, look into setting up a company.

I believe it's common for a developer to have their own company to use to sell all their products over their carears.

dctoedt 1 day ago 0 replies      
On the legal side, you might look at the "Legally Lean" page I maintain for my students and others. [1] It contains a lot of links to further reading about financing, IP issues, etc., including a number of prior discussion threads here on HN. The page is geared to U.S. startups but you might well run into similar legal issues in Portugal.

[1] http://www.OnContracts.com/legally-lean

gorbachev 15 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm not going to comment on legality, but if your service is targeting the larger companies, they will not do business with you unless you have a viable company. They probably won't do business with you even if you do have a company, but only employ yourself.

Also with regards to your chances of getting a full-time job. That depends. Most companies won't have a problem with that, but some might. They might not look kindly on the time commitment they think you'll have to put on your own company. A company that's operating in the same field as your company obviously would not most likely not hire you, because of your competing interest.

cynusx 1 day ago 1 reply      
It will certainly not harm your chances of getting a job but it will harm your ability to receive unemployment benefits from the government as they will consider the business equivalent of a full-time job.

You can start a sole trader business easily (and cheaply).In many EU countries there is a scheme where students or full time employees can start side businesses as sole traders and not be liable for VAT and social security taxes. I am not sure if this exists in Portugal but you can check with your local bureaucrats.

Activity like this will increase your employability in most companies. It can be an issue in government regulated businesses such as insurance but they are used to telling employees to shut it down.. it's a non-issue for hiring.

kephra 1 day ago 1 reply      
You did not tell what country you live in. If you start a business Germany without founding a company first, your business will have the default company form called GbR (Gesellschaft brgerlichen Rechts - company under civilian law). This is often something you !NOT! want, because of tax and legal protection.

In Germany I would advise on an uGmbH, in US on a LLC and in UK on a LIC. Those are easy to fund, e.g. a Tennessee LLC cost only $100 annual franchise tax. Other states charge no franchise tax.

yumraj 1 day ago 0 replies      
IMNAL - but if you will be generating revenue and will have paid customers, at the very least you should incorporate as an LLC or equivalent in your country to protect yourself from personal liability.
tomek_zemla 1 day ago 0 replies      
It all depends on the country. In Canada you can register as self employed where the government gives you special tax numbers (one federal and one provincial). You use them to add tax charge on the service and report the money back to government. It's very simple bit of paperwork and it does not require any money. The registration itself takes an hour of filling up the forms.

At this point you are a registered freelancer and can run one person business, no employees, but you could have subcontractors. There is also no company, no .Inc.

You can go one step farther and register a company where you do establish legal entity with the .Inc attached to it. For simplicity you get the number/name and you can associate other branding name or names to make it marketing sexy. It's also rather simple, takes another hour and costs about $250 for starters, although I believe there are some variations where incorporation costs a bit more, but still a few hundred dollars.

Once you are incorporated the accounting becomes slightly more complicated. While being a registered freelancer you can pretty much do your own number adding for taxes, having the company means us are better of hiring part-time accountant to deal with the paperwork.

A lot of people in the technology/design/multimedia fields work as registered freelancers because there is no limit to income related to it, paperwork is simple and in Canada there is not culture of businesses suing each other all the time like in the US. So, there is no need to have separate legal entity to protect yourself. It's very convenient and many small businesses in the first year or two of existence run as a freelancer who hires other freelancers. Only once the business truly starts becoming a company and wants to provide perks and benefits to employees and also start looking 'bigger' on the market it is being registered as proper corporation.

I think it's a very valuable system for stimulating small business growth. The cost to try is very low and simple to do.

kops 1 day ago 0 replies      
No idea about Portugal, but in some countries you don't need to register a company or any other legal stuff unless you do more business than a certain threshold. Find out in your country what this amount is. Later on, if you cross this threshold then hire an accountant to setup the business as a proper legal entity. If you make enough money you can hire an army of people to help you out. If you don't and assuming the service is cheap, and if a customer goes nuts then just refund. Set aside a small amount as the risk you are willing to take and do not cross it i.e. do not sell more than this amount. Check out how you will accept the money, and if your payment processor imposes any restrictions w.r.t. legal status of the business. Good luck and congratulations for making something that you are confident that people will pay for.
GoodIntentions 1 day ago 0 replies      
Depending on your target demographic, and the nature of the SaaS, incorporating to give the appearance of stability and scale may be beneficial if not essentially a requirement. If you're trying to sell something any largish company might come to depend on, expect them to look askance at "some dude with a laptop". They see liability in dealing with a person, security in dealing with a corporation.

just my 2 cents, ignore if your market is something else.

ecesena 1 day ago 0 replies      
Legal and Accounting Basics for Startups (lecture 18 from Sam Altman's course): http://startupclass.samaltman.com/courses/lec18/
geon 1 day ago 0 replies      
Here in sweden there are companies that handle all company related things for you. Technically you become their employee, and you send invoices in their name. They charge some 6% of profits, I think.
mtufekyapan 1 day ago 0 replies      
When you sell something, legally you have to invoice it. If you find a solution for invoice, of course, you can do it.
mostafaberg 1 day ago 1 reply      
everything depends on the laws in your country, where do you live ? what day job do you have ? how do you spend your free time ? do you have access to a legal advisor ?
emplier 1 day ago 0 replies      
Thanks very much for the helpful advice.
trzeci 1 day ago 1 reply      
Rule for code formatting doesn't exist in this article.http://i.imgur.com/OzaBVdw.png
Spooky23 1 day ago 0 replies      
Focus on doing whatever you are doing, deal with this stuff later.

Corporations are all about liability and ownership. As a student, you likely don't have any assets to protect. Once you take investment or add a partner, you'll need to do somethingn!

harrylove 1 day ago 0 replies      
"don't know what are the implications." [sic]

You should inform yourself.

In the US, Nolo[1] is a good place to start. So is BusinessUSA[2]. After that, you should find out the laws regarding running a business in your state, running a business in your county/parish, and running a business in your city/locality. Depending on your business structure, all four may have different requirements, forms, licenses, fees, filing dates, taxes (fed, state, county, city), etc.

It's not an insurmountable amount of work to handle on your own, especially if you choose a simple structure like a sole proprietorship or LLC, but you should do your homework before you jump in and contact a professional with any concerns you have.

Also, you should talk to a lawyer if you are worried about liability. The suggestion from some commenters that you are separated from liability if you run an LLC or other partnership is inaccurate. Liability is limited, but you can still be sued personally for fraud, negligence, and a host of other sins.


[1] http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/llc-corporations-part...

[2] http://business.usa.gov/

Firefox vs. Chrome?
8 points by chintan39  17 hours ago   9 comments top 8
sharmi 42 minutes ago 0 replies      
I prefer Firefox. With chrome, when my tabs increase more than 10, the system slows to a crawl. This happens with each subsequent update of Chrome. Firefox can handle hundreds of tabs without issue. Loading tabs on demand is a great feature for tab heavy users like me. Session restore is very reliable. So I dont mind those rare moments when firefox freezes. Using Chrome also creates this nagging fear at the back of my mind, as to how much info google collects about you.
aswerty 14 hours ago 0 replies      
Use Firefox mainly due to it's ethos and it isn't part of the ever expanding google-sphere. Chrome is a nice browser which I think UI-wise is a bit nicer than Firefox (not much though) and I also like the process per tab design. It's nice being able to kill individuals tabs instead of having to kill the application.
pzxc 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I use both every day:

Firefox for regular sites I visit and stuff I keep open a long time (because of Tree-Style Tabs)

Chrome for my temporary / exploratory browsing (because when a website crashes it only takes out one tab instead of the whole browser).

I would prefer to use just one browser, if I could. But I am on the internet all day so horizontal tabs is just too painful when you have 20+ pages open all the time. And after a few times of losing your entire Firefox because of bad javascript on some random website, that gets unworkable also.

agapos 14 hours ago 0 replies      
I mostly use Firefox with two profiles, it has better memory footprint, more robust add-ons, the UI is customizable, tabs load on demand, and for me the mission is important too. Also, it doesn't spreads itself like a malware.My secondary browser is Opera 12, but seeing how it does not get any kind of update, it is high time I ditch it for something else.
GotAnyMegadeth 14 hours ago 1 reply      
Pretty much the only reason I use Chrome over Firefox is because there is only one bar to type things into in Chrome, and it 'knows what I mean', where as Firefox has two and it never knows what I mean.
Joona 17 hours ago 0 replies      
Neither. I'm currently using Opera 12 as my main browser, Chrome for websites that don't work with it and Firefox in case I need to use a proxy. None of the "new" browsers offer the complete package that Opera 12 does.
randsp 17 hours ago 0 replies      
We've observed than canvas implementation in chrome performs quite better than firefox. Don't know if mozilla has planned to improve it.
0x006A 17 hours ago 0 replies      
I prefer Firefox but due to the non css-themable scrollbars in Firefox I end up using Chrome a lot.
Ask HN: How to get hire by YCombinator startups?
3 points by haidrali  19 hours ago   3 comments top 2
jtfairbank 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Keep in mind that even if you work at a YC startup you won't have access to YC directly- its not a coworking space or anything.

If you shoot me your email with your resume I'd be happy to review it. My emails in the profile.

zeeshanm 19 hours ago 1 reply      
It could be that they may have not gotten you resume. Have you tried angel.co. Lots of startups these days use them for filling their recruiting pipeline.
Seattle's First Growth Hackathon
9 points by vladmk  1 day ago   6 comments top 3
kevinstubbs 1 day ago 2 replies      
So... Startup Weekend?
bbcbasic 1 day ago 1 reply      
You can do it like on the TV show "The Apprentice", and the team with the most profit wins. Simple.
javierluraschi 1 day ago 0 replies      
#OfSignupsDuringHackathon * ExpectedMonthlyRevenuePerCustomer
Ask HN: What are optimal size of discussion participants?
2 points by jimiwen  20 hours ago   discuss
How I Hacked My Startup
15 points by jibly  21 hours ago   3 comments top 2
enigami 17 hours ago 1 reply      
It is amazing that you managed to pull this great venture off by spending 15 hours (including 6 hours of sleep). And congrats that you already got customers signing in for your services, but I just wanted to understand (out of curiosity) how will you manage to provide the 'million-dollar' information to your customers every week as you promised?

May be you are an expert in this, but eventually you will drain out rite? If this piece of information is the secret recipe than you need not answer ;-)

jibly 21 hours ago 0 replies      
clickable links:

How ProductHunt helped me go from No-idea to Profitable in 15 hours (including 6 hours of sleep).https://medium.com/@jibly/how-producthunt-helped-me-go-from-...


How A 4-Step-Amazon-Hack Helped Me Convert Visitors Into Paying Customers Insanely Fast.



These 5 user comments boosted my conversion rate from 0,8% to 6%



Ask HN: Friend and I want to start a business
4 points by showsover  1 day ago   9 comments top 4
yellow_and_gray 1 day ago 1 reply      
> he being the one with the idea and money

Ideas are worth $0. Nevermind you'll switch the idea to something else.

And the type of person who wants to a get patent first instead of getting users is precisely the kind of person you shouldn't be starting a company with. A patent won't get you customers. How many companies can you friend name that lost to another company because of a patent rather than a thousand other reasons?

Both your fears are valid. Trust your gut. My suggestion: don't start a company with this friend.

charlesdm 1 day ago 1 reply      
Minimum share capital with two shareholders in a BVBA is 6200, i.e 3100 each. Nothing wrong with setting up an entity, but at the same time, there are alternatives in Belgium (e.g. a VOF), if you're strapped for cash.

You could set up a "joint ownership" document for the IP rights, which won't be worth much, but better than nothing.

This said, I would focus on getting customers first. Face it, if this is your first product, you'll probably fail. It's a cycle everyone goes through. :-)

JSeymourATL 12 hours ago 0 replies      
> So who do I talk to, what do I research?

You MUST seek out and talk to the Economic Buyer. That's the individual who's life will be helped by purchasing your product or service. The more you understand his world, the stronger your idea will be.

Incidentally, you CAN sell a concept on a pilot project basis. The customer becomes your first investor.

Vomzor 1 day ago 1 reply      
If you want local advice, try contacting http://startups.be/
Ping.gg monitoring engine now open source (Go)
15 points by vruiz  3 days ago   1 comment top
tectonic 3 days ago 0 replies      
Thanks for open sourcing it!
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