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Ask HN: Do you want a more affordable solution for user testing your website?
4 points by rnochumo  2 hours ago   discuss
Ask HN: What are good blogs that focus on bootstrapping a startup?
6 points by zacharyb  3 hours ago   3 comments top 3
saluki 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Do podcasts count?

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dylanhassinger 2 hours ago 0 replies      


Ask HN: What are some good educational apps and websites for second graders?
4 points by Axsuul  4 hours ago   2 comments top 2
ahsanhilal 3 hours ago 0 replies      
(Another disclaimer from another enterpreneur)

I am one of the founders of kiddom, an interactive learning environment on the iPad. We initially focus on math skills, and all learning happens in a story telling environment. We should be live on the app store in about a week or so in the US:


If you have any feedback, my email is in the profile.

ronyeh 4 hours ago 0 replies      
(Disclaimer: I'm about to plug my own app.)

If you happen to have an iDevice, check out Tiny Piano: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id477014214

It's a fun and free app that helps kids appreciate music. Feel free to email me at ronyeh at squarepoet.com if you have any questions.

Ask HN: Is it cool to bring up competing offers when negotiating salary?
7 points by boise  10 hours ago   6 comments top 6
davidtyleryork 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I've seen people on the hiring side bring this up as a huge faux pas that a candidate made. It's typically seen by those doing the hiring as an arrogant move. The reaction to it is "who does this guy think he is?"

On the flip side, a friend of mine uses this tactic aggressively when negotiating salary and equity at companies. It's always worked for him and is considered a "cost of doing business" when trying to hire this person.

What's the difference? The former was being hired for a junior position, the latter for a senior position.

It's all about leverage. If you can bring a lot to the table, you can play the "other people want me" card. If you are bringing relatively commoditized skill to the table, then that card just makes you look foolish.

Hope this helps.

001sky 9 hours ago 0 replies      
A market has a bid and an ask. They are bidding for you. If the bid is several deep, its not illigitimate to introduce this information into the discussion. But a few considerations:

> Right Time, Right Place

> Relevance, Comparability

> Don't Bluff

Right time is only when it will make a difference. Upfront is not the right time. The right time is when there is an actual/reasonable offer put forth with a flaw or other "bridgeble" gap, that if it were "at market" would be a non-issue. The other offer is evidence of "where the market is at". This is completely fair use.

Relevance and comparability, though, mean that you should not pretend an offer for X is the market for Y. If you do this (on purpose or unwittingly), not only will it most likely not work, you may raise some eybrows. Classic example is using a comp from one market (like, from SF) in another market (midwest), or between job-titles, or whatever. If you are truly deciding between a career in X and Y, you need to be very careful about this.

Lastly, be very careful unless you are willing to walk from the table. If you are 100% OK with taking the other job, for example. Alternatively, if the point you are negotiating is a definitive deal killer (ie, it will make you walk away) then again, it makes sense to consider bringing what you have to help get a deal done. This will give the other party some ammo to use internally to overcome a barrier, which is in both of your interests, etc.

kls 7 hours ago 0 replies      
I think it depends, if you will truly take the position because you like it better but there is an equity imbalance then I would say you should inform the potential employer. Approaching it tactfully and letting them know that you would prefer to work with them, but that at the end of the day you trade your time for compensation and given the imbalance you would have to go with the offer that is offering higher compensation for that time.
drjacobs 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Letting them know that you are in demand shouldn't hurt and I have used offers to negotiate things like salary and equity. I think with any negotiation process its more about how you approach it. I would try to re-emphasize that you are excited about the position you are being offered but that its a competitive market with many choices these days.
codegeek 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Why not ? Just because you bring up money does not mean you are only interested in money. I always bring it up if it helps. Look at it this way. Employers will negotiate hard with you to give you as minimum as possible. So why should you be shy to negotiate and get as maximum as possible.

Use this in addition to the value you bring and other context etc. as you mentioned.

BryantD 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I generally don't cite specific offers -- if nothing else I consider the information that a competitor is offering $X to be confidential. I also don't like to discuss other places I'm interviewing.

I will say that I have competing offers, and I'll be up front about what I want to make. I think at that point my potential employer has all the information they need.

Are you going to let Microsoft finish falling?
2 points by deltrem  4 hours ago   1 comment top
LarryMade 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Really? Can you expand on that?
Ask HN - Where do you look for jobs?
170 points by factorialboy  2 days ago   93 comments top 38
kaisdavis 2 days ago 4 replies      
I don't look for jobs that have been posted " my feeling is that jobs that make it to Reddit / GitHub / Craigslist / Monthly Hiring Threads, are all jobs that have been picked over by people working at (or close with) the company.

I make a list of the type of company I want to work with (I want to be paid $X, they should use this technology, I want to solve this problem or work on this project) and then I backtrace it and figure out which companies match those criteria.

Then, I contact those companies. I set up meetings when I can. My goal is to learn:

  * What sort of projects they work on
* What challenges they're facing (geez, our biggest client needs _IDEA Z_)
* What skills they look for in new hires / freelancers
* Other companies in the area / tech / market

When appropriate, I tell them about my background and skills and ask who I should be in contact with to learn when new opportunities open up.

Then, I do two things

If they mentioned a huuuuge problem / pain point they're facing, I send them a follow-up email talking about the problem they mentioned, what I can contribute to solving it, and suggesting a time for another meeting.

I follow up with any other companies / people they mentioned and set up a quick coffee meeting.

Periodically, I'll check in with my contact. Nothing spammy, just an update about something relevant to their industry / problem.

Rather than fight over the same jobs that everyone else sees on 37Signals / Reddit / GitHub / HN hiring / Craigslist / LinkedIn / Etc, I want to be at the top of mind with the companies I want to work with.

Every job I've had " salary or consulting - has come from someone inside of the company calling me up, telling me about a position they have, and asking me if I want to interview. This bypasses the slog through submitting a resume and fighting against 20+ other candidates for a position. This gets me the positions I want working on the problems I want to solve.

PaulHoule 2 days ago 2 replies      
I haven't looked for a job actively for about five years or so and I hope that I don't need to ever again. Instead, I get contacted regularly by recruiters, founders and other hiring agents who, unfortunately, I mostly need to decline. (Otherwise I wouldn't be getting any actual work done!)

Chasing listed jobs is a mug's game for two reasons: (i) you need to compete with a mountain of applications, and (ii) people often list jobs that they aren't entirely serious about filling. Even if you have a strong resume and put 30 minutes into writing a good cover letter for each applications, the odds really are against you in this case.

Factor (ii) is still a problem if you get an interview because many organizations put multiple random barriers ahead of applicants. For instance, if you don't pass some test or flub a question or one of the fifteen people who talk to you just doesn't like you on an animal level you've wasted all the time you've put into the process.

Anybody who's using a recruiter, on the other hand, really wants to fill the position. The odds are in your favor because the recruiter is going to walk if the company keeps putting candidates through the gauntlet and rejecting them.

So how do you get people to call you?

Be active on the web. For me that's meant developing a few side projects and also developing connections and adding some content to LinkedIn every day... Even when I'm not looking for work.

If you get yourself known you can quit wasting time looking at job boards.

negrit 2 days ago 4 replies      
I don't want to sound like a douche but I've never looked for a job on a website.
Each time i needed a job i got an offer from a company or from someone in my network.

To grow your professional network I would recommend to attend to meetups, hackathons, user groups or even better to get involve in the organization. It worked pretty well for me.

I met some incredible people and got some good jobs offer.

imack 2 days ago 2 replies      
I haven't used it personally, but Angellist jobs looks interesting: https://angel.co/jobs

I like that they have to disclose ballpark salaries. Makes it easier to get a sense for how the company values developers.

masnick 2 days ago 1 reply      
I wrote a long post about job boards for programmers that was on HN a while ago:


eel 2 days ago 1 reply      
I found my current position via LinkedIn. I also searched with StackOverflow Careers, the HN monthly hiring threads (which weren't useful due to a lack of posts for my area), and the job pages of local companies. I probably would have used more sources if it had taken any significant amount of time to find a job.

My previous position was via a university career fair when I was still a student.

tommorris 2 days ago 0 replies      
Last time I was looking for a job, it consisted of posting an update on Facebook saying that I was back on the job market. I got six promising leads to follow up from friends in about 12 hours. And in most cases, it's from someone who works there, or even the person trying to hire.

(Sadly, the same trick doesn't work for boyfriends.)

pmb 2 days ago 0 replies      
Social networking has consistently produced job offers for me, but I did also get one job through my undergraduate college career fair and my current academic position through ACM jobs.
Peroni 2 days ago 0 replies      
http://www.hackerjobs.co.uk if you're looking for UK based work. We occasionally get some European roles posted too. Had a few Irish & German jobs in the past.
jboggan 2 days ago 0 replies      
One strategy if you're already in SF or SV is to figure out the places that tech folks congregate and passively get leads while doing other work. When I moved to SF a few months ago and was jobhunting I would go to Four Barrel Coffee in the Mission while I was writing my cover letters and doing recruiter correspondence. I'd make a point of talking to anyone who came in the door with a startup tee or hoodie on and tell them what I was doing.

This meant that my list of places to apply to actually grew every time I went to go and knock a few off my list. I met a lot of interesting engineers this way and generated a lot of leads that I wouldn't have found through HN Hiring or other boards. In some cases I found jobs that weren't posted online until after I found out about them in person.

jaybill 2 days ago 0 replies      
This is going to sound arrogant and troll-y, but I assure you it isn't.

I don't look. When I want a new job, I stop ignoring recruiters and wait to see what comes along. I've never waited more than a few days to have a pile of interesting opportunities. (I also end up with a much bigger pile of bullshit talent-trawls, but that's beside the point)

I wish I could say this was a function of my being awesome, but I think it has more to do with the job market in my area (PDX). There just aren't enough senior developers to go around.

civilian 2 days ago 0 replies      
Have a well connected and up to date linkedin profile, abd accept the random friend requests from recruiters.

go to offline networking events.

get to know your local group for whatever you program in. Seattle-python-interest-group has periodic job emails, and more importantly if I asked them for help I would probably get a couple responses.

adventureloop 2 days ago 1 reply      
When I was looking for a job I would routinely go through:

- careers.stackoverflow.com
- prospects.ac.uk (Though you need to have been a student to register)
- s1jobs.com (Mostly so I could have at least seen one ad a day)
- talentscotland.com
- workinstartups.com

rpwilcox 2 days ago 1 reply      
http://careers.stackoverflow.com/ has been a really good source for me
sarhus 2 days ago 1 reply      
You can check http://roundabout.io too for London jobs. A good UK job board, not yet mentioned is http://www.coderstack.co.uk/
mzarate06 2 days ago 0 replies      

I'm a freelancer, and most of my work comes via referrals now. Not always, but it's been the case for the past few years.

Wasn't much different back when I was looking for full time work though. Even though I only worked for 2 companies, I use to get interviews through referrals, or through past colleagues that left and wanted me to come aboard.

kingnothing 2 days ago 0 replies      
I found my previous job through a local Ruby User Group meetup. At least in Atlanta, pretty much every company that attends is always hiring. I currently average about three recruiters or hiring managers a week contacting me on LinkedIn, which is how I found my current job.
zbruhnke 2 days ago 0 replies      
I have never really looked for a job honestly, but if I were going to here's what I would do.

Find the type of company you want to work for. Narrow your list down to about 5 of those companies you'd like to work at.

Now sit down and write a personalized cover letter for each of these companies and the role you'd like to play in said organization.

Now email each of the companies hiring depts, founders, etc with said letter and sit back. If you wrote a truly compelling cover letter (you should have if you are actually passionate about working for the company) you will most likely get some sort of response.

Rinse and repeat if no success.

As a multi-time founder and hiring decision-maker I always enjoyed a good cover letter and great interview more than a resume. Even when it comes to technical knowledge the most important thing to me is that if you did not know it you were smart enough and capable of learning it.

If you can knock it out of the park on a cover letter and show why you're excited to be a part of said company then they would be foolish not to hire you.

EDIT: Obviously you should still send a resume as well. But sending one without a cover letter in my opinion is the equivalent of career suicide.

bdcravens 2 days ago 0 replies      
See if there's a job-specific mailing list for the language you're interested in.

Get involved: speak at user groups and conferences. If possible, step up and manage. You'll get work sent your way, and once you've built up a reputation (like when people come up to you at conferences and know your name but you don't know theirs), you can often drop the idea of needing work on Twitter and get a good response.

tocomment 2 days ago 1 reply      
How do you look for them on Reddit? I hadn't heard of that.
kevhsu 2 days ago 2 replies      
Any tips for new grads? Currently in my last semester of undergrad.
thekevinjones 2 days ago 0 replies      
This seemed like a good question that could be elaborated and stored on Quora as well. I compiled most of the sources as well as the original thread and put it on here:


beghbali 2 days ago 0 replies      
I like the new Coderwall team pages, they showcase the team members, their stack and other cultural bits that fill in the gap that typical job posts create.


mdhayes 2 days ago 1 reply      
Offline - local meetups and user groups
broken_symlink 2 days ago 0 replies      
I browse on indeed occasionally. I'm a senior in college though and am applying to grad schools right now, so I've never seriously looked for a job before.
peterwwillis 2 days ago 0 replies      
* Hackerspaces
* User Groups
* Hackathons
* Tech Happy Hours
* Friends and Family
* Monster, or company-specific job boards
* Classifieds
* Mailing lists, local or tech-specific
whichdan 2 days ago 0 replies      
Gotta plug one of my weekend projects - http://careers.sh

It links to a bunch of job sites. No referral links or anything.

jes5199 2 days ago 0 replies      
Local [language-of-choice] meetups
orrenkt 2 days ago 1 reply      
I just put together a tool that aggregates developer jobs tweeted on twitter - you can see jobs by area and type.

The best part is that it also shows jobs that haven't made it to formal listings yet.

It's at http://www.jobquacks.com - regrettably I haven't built in support for mobile yet..

juaninfinitelop 1 day ago 0 replies      
ZipRecruiter is a good one. It has some useful features that I haven't seen in other job board sites.
Some features include, total number of candidates that have applied, including AND in the search query, and a few others.
Worth giving them a look.
stevenelliottjr 2 days ago 0 replies      
I've been working in the same place for 11 years now! I know it's startling but it's a pretty sweet place and I've moved myself up through the ranks so-to-speak. I have perused a few jobs on Stackoverflow careers a few times but never applied. They tend to have pretty decent places with interesting work.
alincatalin0199 2 days ago 0 replies      
If you're a mobile app developer - http://www.BigBangJobs.info could be a good choice to find exciting new projects to work on.
naspinski 2 days ago 1 reply      
I have found that Dice.com is a great place to post for Technical jobs.
akrakesh 1 day ago 0 replies      
Authentic Jobs

I'm a UI designer

deepakg 2 days ago 0 replies      
For Perl specific jobs I look at http://jobs.perl.org.
schneby 2 days ago 0 replies      
I used Indeed to find my current job. Great free daily email of top jobs based on role/geography
genystartup 2 days ago 1 reply      
LinkedIn is quite good too.
adrianwaj 2 days ago 0 replies      
related question - if I wanted to, what'd be the best method to post tech job ads to my site http://hackerbra.in ?
Show HN: "101Start" a Simple App to Search Faster on iPhone/iPad
5 points by noirman  12 hours ago   1 comment top
BillSaysThis 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Nice idea. You might want to look into adding auto-suggest from Google or one of the other services and adding a set default engine option (to enable hitting enter/return).
Rate my startup: taurus.io
6 points by ebzlo  17 hours ago   9 comments top 5
bmelton 11 hours ago 1 reply      
The site is quite attractive, and the product looks compelling. I can think of at least two places where I'd use it off the bat (and the pricing is right as well).

I'm guessing that since the beta isn't ready yet, that's why you don't currently have a demo, but I'd rather like to see a demo or have a trial period before purchasing.

martin-adams 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Looks intriguing for what I can see. My comments so far are that I'm left wondering the following:

- How is the product tour presented to my end users, is it something I host or you host?
- How well will it work with the somewhat crazy HTML/CSS I may have on my product?
- Is $3 too cheap for something like this as it's somewhat specialist, i.e. I have to be a web site owner to use it?

Would I use it, not sure really. I don't have any live projects yet that would warrant a product tour.

But it's nice to see work in this area. My only other comment is the homepage colours aren't quite a vibrant as I would have liked - personal opinion.

bdfh42 16 hours ago 1 reply      
I am confused. The site headlines "Set up a product tour" - but then it looks like a set of fancy tool tips and jQuery UI covers a lot of that ground.
veesahni 10 hours ago 0 replies      
A tour of the product using the product would be great :)
Concours 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Ask HN: What kind of hackathon do you like?
10 points by rvivek  12 hours ago   5 comments top 5
darrennix 10 hours ago 0 replies      
The best hackathons I've been to had no required APIs but did have sponsored APIs with nice prizes for the best implementations. They also had experts on the APIs running around helping reduce the learning curve.

Those guys help a lot when you've only got 24 hours to get over the hump (ask the Firebase guys).

cdawzrd 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I like the idea of having a general theme, and then presenting what you've built at the end somehow. I'd rather not do a hackathon that required we use a specific API or product, or otherwise restrict what you work on. Instead, make the hackathon about building things along a certain theme ("music", "transportation", "education", etc).

Also, I may be biased as a hardware engineer, but I only consider hackathons that welcome both software and hardware projects.

rvivek 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Thank you so much everyone for your feedback.
jkaykin 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I love hackathons like AngelHack. Great Api's from awesome sponsors but you aren't required to use them.
picsoung 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Hackathons like in the Social Network movie... :)
Always fun but schools may not agree to host it on campus...
Cofounder wanted for online educational initiative
2 points by ypg  6 hours ago   2 comments top
jonny_eh 5 hours ago 1 reply      

    "they don't really solve the problem that's in education right now, because they don't make it possible for regular people to be the creators of content"

So what's the problem exactly?

Ask HN: Recommended sources for essential networking under virtualization
2 points by ezequiel-garzon  6 hours ago   discuss
Ask HN: How will the Geosocial mobile proximity app/network nut be cracked?
4 points by opensource  11 hours ago   2 comments top 2
AznHisoka 9 hours ago 0 replies      
IMO, I think it's a solution in search of a problem. Hence the reason why you need to come up with a compelling value proposition.
simantel 8 hours ago 0 replies      
It already has! Grindr is a runaway success in the geosocial space.
Ask HN: What established company offers "educational" development internships?
3 points by stukpixel  8 hours ago   3 comments top 2
rst 6 hours ago 0 replies      
In the Boston area, there's Thoughtbot's apprenticeship program, and they might start running something like that out of SF. (They might have already, but if so, I haven't heard...)
snikch 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Do you have any location requirements?

SitePoint, in Melbourne, offers a grad programme where you rotate between four different companies, 1 month each, Flippa, SitePoint, Wave Digital and Learnable. You get to try your hand at a variety of technologies and stacks, and work on existing businesses.

Note: Some of these are quite start-up'y.


Anyone Can Ride Rails - should I write this book?
8 points by AstonJ  1 day ago   22 comments top 11
helen842000 13 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm glad you start from a 'what you'll need' point of view. This is often missed in most books where they just start with a code 1+1 example.

If you are aiming for total beginners - as in, new to programming and not just new to Ruby/Rails then you might have to re-word your About this book section.

You mention TDD, Git, 'default Ruby stack' within the first 8 lines of the book. While these are important points regarding the book - they only make sense to programmers of some kind.

I think if you give away a sample chapter of your book then this will be the first thing they read. You've got to convince the new folks you'll look after them & that they will actually get as far as building their first app. You may want to consider adding a book subtitle. I presume the readers you want to attract might not even know what Rails is! Maybe something like - Anyone Can Ride Rails - A fresh programming guide for enthusiasic beginners.

I like the informal tone as it's reassuring. I also second the what is Ruby/Rails & why should I use them, what can I build with it etc?

thejteam 1 day ago 2 replies      
Is your target audience absolute beginners to programming or experienced programmers who want to learn Rails?

One thing I Have never seen is a "why" you should learn Rails and what you can do with it. What kind of web apps can I build? What can I do with it? Why would I want to?

Personally, I don't go for the informal tone, but it wasn't over the top and many books tend to go that way so no problem.

I like that it seems you won't be preaching about side technologies like git or tdd. It is an added difficulty when people add extra complications to a book, especially an intro level book. My personal opinion, don't go preachy on formatting or style either, just use well written examples for people to learn from and they will pick up your style.

stevejalim 16 hours ago 1 reply      
Why not see what the market thinks of your idea by trying the 'lean publishing' route? Check out http://leanpub.com as one [good] way to do it. It's working out pretty well for me so far. It would mean moving from OpenOffice to Markdown formatting, but the whole Dropbox + Markdown approach that Leanpub uses is pretty good and there is decent support for code blocks etc
zafriedman 1 day ago 1 reply      
A few observations. One, you haven't written that many pages, in fact you've written very, very few pages save for the preface and the like. This isn't an issue on its own, except theres no Table of Contents so it's hard for me to see where you are going to take it from here, or in other words what your vision is. The obvious result of this is that it's pretty hard to provide feedback. The flip side is of course, that you've demonstrated enough desire and initiative within yourself to endeavor to start the book, so unless you have a serious reason to stop, maybe forge ahead and try to finish what you started.

One other thing that I just want to put in your head, I'm not sure if I'm even going so far as to suggest it, is the possibility of flexing scope to write perhaps a 50 page e-book, not dissimilar to the Sacha Greif ebook (http://sachagreif.com/ebook/) but for getting from zero to the next book on Rails for absolute beginners. The benefit of this would be that you could probably spend about 20 hours writing it (I'm pulling this number out of my ass, so I could be waaay off about this time estimate) and therefore you've risked a much shorter amount of time, which I'm assuming is your main concern.

fawyd 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm a RoR beginner with a little know-how from other languages like PHP and think you should also include some other interesting parts like Stackoverflow, GitHub, Heroku etc. There is plenty of stuff out there with no real description for a programming-beginner. In my early days I have search for a long time a good description for what a gem is.
And this is only one example, lol.
jfaucett 1 day ago 1 reply      
I don't want to discourage you, I'm just gonna give you my honest personal thoughts. I think there is a lot of this kind of stuff on the web already. What I think there is less of (maybe there's also less demand for it), is deep rails or ruby VM type stuff. I do most of my programming in c/c++ though (so I'm no ruby expert) and whenever I need to pick up a scripting language or framework like rails, usually I try to grab something that has maximum code, with bar minimum and to the point explanations, and get annoyed whenever anyone talks about intro to OOP or starts explaining functions, variables, etc. So obviously, I'm not your audience for this book.

Having said all that I don't want to be a downer here, I think its great you're writing a book and possibly getting people interested in programming :)

diasks2 1 day ago 1 reply      
I think you should keep going. In my opinion any materials that make it easier for beginners to get started on programming are a net benefit to society. Over the coming years I think there is going to be a divide between those that can program and those that can't as technology continues to be an ever increasing part of our lives. I am in full support of anything that helps break down the barrier to jumping in and getting started.

Great start and I look forward to seeing the finished version. Keep us updated on your progress.

bharad 1 day ago 1 reply      
Nice start. I think you should keep going.
This might be helpful. http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/28/why-every-entrepreneur-shou...

What software do you use to write your book?

creativeone 15 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm a ruby & rails beginner so I would definitely be interested in a book like this.
eranation 1 day ago 1 reply      
Whatever will be your decision, this is a great book title!
Ask HN: Why is subscription billing hard?
7 points by zdrummond  1 day ago   10 comments top 4
dangrossman 1 day ago 0 replies      
Think about a company like Comcast -- millions of customers, thousands of phone agents, thousands of contractors in Comcast vans hooking up home service, multiple regional websites, legacy customers from previous product iterations and acquired local cable companies. Add on to that multiple public and private billing plans, service credits, local deals/specials, grandfathered customers on old plans, a combination of fixed and usage-based billing, optional add-ons, and parent/children accounts for business and landlords. Imagine just how complex that "rules engine" has to be to get billing right.

The company that can manage that for Comcast is going to be delivering hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars in value. If they didn't pay someone for it, they'd have to employ and manage a large development team just to do billing. Lots of salaries. That's what justifies the price.

If you're a startup with 3 payment plans and sometimes you have to give someone a credit because you had some downtime, your situation isn't even 1% as complex, and you can get by with a $50/month service or a couple hundred lines of your own code.

skrish 1 day ago 0 replies      
Depends on how complex your product and pricing model is. Zuora is slightly enterprisey customers and priced accordingly and they charge setup fee, customization fee etc.,

If you are looking for simpler products focused on small & medium businesses there are plenty of options available as well.

Of course if you are in North America you have Stripe as your first bet and for bit more sophisticated billing plus more options to do promotions, automated notifications, HTML emails, customer support portal, more complex metered billing, grandfathering of price plans (happens!), multi-gateway support etc., you should consider using a billing solution.

Disclosure: I am one a co-founder of http://www.ChargeBee.com, another Subscription Billing solution focused on small businesses.

Shameless plug: If you are looking for options to use payment gateway for credit card + bank transfers for recurring to save $$s per transaction you should try our solution (launching the ACH part very soon).

subsection1h 1 day ago 0 replies      

    While doing research I came across Zuora [...]

What other solutions did you evaluate? Which of your requirements did the other solutions not meet?

After I research solutions to a problem, I end up with a list of requirements and a list of solutions with notes regarding each solution (e.g., pros and cons). If you were to post a complete list of your requirements and notes regarding each solution you evaluated, it would be easier to provide relevant feedback.

(If you didn't take any notes, you might want to consider the benefits of note taking in the context of a personal or company wiki.)

orangethirty 1 day ago 2 replies      
How much is expensive?
Show HN: What's trending (keywords) on HN
7 points by jjhageman  1 day ago   2 comments top 2
001sky 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Cool but kindly suggest extending threshold. An option for a 30 day look, for example, would be a good addition.
louhong 1 day ago 0 replies      
Ask HN: What do you use for persistent chat?
4 points by cschmitt  1 day ago   13 comments top 6
girasquid 1 day ago 1 reply      
http://hipchat.com is pretty quick to set up - it has web, desktop, and mobile clients - they also seem to have experimental support for XMPP/Jabber (http://blog.hipchat.com/2011/04/25/experimental-support-for-...), which would let you use Adium to connect.
9mit3t2m9h9a 1 day ago 1 reply      
If you use GTalk already, maybe migrating to XMPP MUC (which is the same protocol) served by, say, ejabberd could be the most straightforward way. It has log configuration (just as IRC does), but it it slightly easier to set up to push logs to clients on entering a room.

Just in case: XMPP and Jabber are the same protocol. Ejabberd is a popular XMPP server (written in Erlang, if you care about compiling from source; not hard to deploy). Google Chat uses XMPP and supports both GMail users chatting on external MUC servers and non-GMail users from another XMPP server joining GMail-hosted chats. XMPP servers usually host Multi-user conference service (aka MUC aka group chat), but it is separate enough that you could just configure MUC-only XMPP server with proper logging settings without allowing any user accounts on the server and connect via existing GMail accounts.

cryptoz 1 day ago 1 reply      
That sounds like an excellent use case for IRC.
cschmitt 1 day ago 0 replies      
Here is the simple criteria I am using:
1. Must use gtalk
2. Must have persistant history for at least 48 hours (searchable is a bonus)
3. Must be accessible from adium or other chat clients
4. Must be private for our org.

So far I have identified, Jaconda, hipchat and campfire (although I think it is out due to the lake of gtalk integration)

(Sorry for not posting this right up front)

Smotko 1 day ago 1 reply      
We use IRC and a custom bot that logs chat history and does some other cool stuff. It works surprisingly well and it's really easy and fun to add new functionality to the bot.
noemit 1 day ago 0 replies      
I am a 14 year old programmer. I'm stuck.
17 points by zbaker1398  3 days ago   33 comments top 23
trotsky 3 days ago 1 reply      
While I'm sure this won't sound terribly appealing to you, my advice would be to pick a medium size open source project that you're interested in and does code reviews. Start small by contributing bite sized fixes or features that they already have listed as things they want to do - many projects have lists like that for newcomers. If you do that even just a few times and get your code accepted you'll have gained more skills and knowledge about how to build a successful piece of software than almost any classroom would offer. In my experience many projects will be very welcoming to someone like you and yet be willing to hold you to higher standards than most teachers would.

After you did that you'd be much, much more likely to be able to build a successful project on your own.

gruseom 3 days ago 0 replies      
What sorts of things are you interested in? You'll have better luck working on something you find exciting.

If you get stuck on technicalities, two good things to try are (a) Google code search (http://code.google.com/codesearch) for examples related to what you're doing (for example, if you were trying to make an S3 connection from Python, you could check http://code.google.com/codesearch#search/&q=s3connection...) and (b) a relevant IRC channel if there is one.

If there are any programmer meetups in your area, try going and asking for help in person. When I was your age and trying to learn programming, I didn't know anyone who could help me. In retrospect, that was the #1 thing that held me back.

geofft 3 days ago 0 replies      
> The problem is that while I know all the ins and outs of python(ish) this task seems daunting.

This seems entirely expected -- you have a good background in a programming language, but no real training in software design, which is to say, in breaking down a large project into useful components, setting and using appropriate abstractions, and managing complexity. This is unsurprising, since this is an entirely different sort of task than just knowing the syntax of a language.

There are several good options here, like the textbooks _Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs_ and _How to Design Programs_, both freely readable online. Reading things like ESR's summary of the UNIX philosophy (http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html) might also help -- much of the UNIX philosophy exists to manage complexity in a huge system.

Another good option is to look at high-quality existing free/open-source software and understand how it's designed and why. If you can, find something you want to change in it and contribute it back. The skills you'll develop in understanding how to find your way in a large software project will serve you well in designing a large software project yourself.

ecspike 3 days ago 0 replies      
My answers are more general to your growth as a programmer and not as a means to an end for help to make that desktop app.

Google Code-in starts next https://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2012/index.html .

"The tasks are grouped into the following categories:

  1. Code: Tasks related to writing or refactoring code
2. Documentation/Training: Tasks related to creating/editing documents and helping others learn more
3. Outreach/Research: Tasks related to community management, outreach/marketing, or studying problems and recommending solutions
4. Quality Assurance: Tasks related to testing and ensuring code is of high quality
5. User Interface: Tasks related to user experience research or user interface design and interaction"

You could even win a trip to Google HQ in Mountain View.

I did the college version (Summer of Code) and it was a very rewarding experience. I think the code-in can put you in contact with some organizations that might want to mentor you. The Mozilla Foundation has a bunch of projects you can contribute patches and fixes to as well.

If you don't know it already, learn how to use git. I would also suggest the book Programming OpenSouce Software by Karl Fogel (just google for it, he offers it free online).

rickdale 3 days ago 2 replies      
I remember being in your shoes. My advice is to get a web server and to start hacking it. Create websites, mess with databases. Install some open source apps and figure out how to create a module. You can do it; one step at a time; the daunting feeling will turn into great gratitude. I feel like there are better people here that can give you more overall sound advice, but hopefully this provides you with a platform to at least keep moving.
keefe 17 hours ago 0 replies      
have you checked out coursera?

I started when I was 8, first professional programming job in 10th grade...

The jump from intermediate to "complete" is indeed very large, so expect a journey.

You need to find something you enjoy working on that you evolve over the next couple of years to learn about software engineering and what automation is important etc. This could be a game or an extension to an open source game, it doesn't really matter. It will almost certainly be a failure in some sense, so it's good to get that first failure out of the way so you can scrap it, revisit, etc.

I think coursera would be a great place for you to start, though it may require you to learn a new language (this is one step on the journey towards advanced in X language, I expect it would be octave/matlab) I'd recommend doing the introductory machine learning course and whatever other stuff interests you.

From the quality of your writing, you're quite bright for 14 - so stick to it and don't neglect your physical health and artistic/emotional/cultural education because you need to be free of distractions to reach highest level.

DrJosiah 2 days ago 0 replies      
For what purpose are you writing software, and what is your desired destination?

Do you want to program something interesting for you? (then figure out what you want to program, figure out the technologies it would take to make it happen, then learn them, and do it)

Do you want to get better at the trade so that at some point someone will pay you to program? (then go through MIT's OpenCourseWare: http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm on CS topics to build up your fundamentals, then start reviewing/helping/hacking on open source for a while)

Do you want to use programming as a tool to do other things that you are interested in? (look around at what topics are necessary to understand, learn more about those topics, and go for it)

Personally, I knew when I was young that I would be into programming; when I was 5-7, we did LOGO in school, but there weren't really any programming courses worth anything in my high school (Cobol, Fortran, Hypercard, and Pascal), and I took the two electronics courses that were offered. I held myself back until college, where I did my best to learn and program as much as possible. After college, I went to grad school, continued programming as much as I could (I wrote an editor in Python for Python, dozens of data compression libraries, several distinct MUDs, ...), and got a PhD in theoretical computer science. Since then, I've been working in industry (because the academic market is crappy right now).

So I again ask; what is your destination? If you don't know yet, that's okay. You can improve your skills, your fundamental knowledge, and your technique without taking formal classes (see my link to MIT's OpenCourseWare). Heck, you may even be able to do so without talking with others (though it is hard). Once you do figure out your destination, it's a lot easier to ask for directions to get there.

computerslol 2 days ago 1 reply      
Unlike your peers, there is no precedence for you. There is no preconfigured direction for you. There is no magic set of courses to get you where you want to go. Don't be discouraged, this is a very very good thing.

Reading Hacker News might get you excited, thinking "There are tons of people just like me out there!", but we are geographically distributed; and most aren't like you at all.

I know some of your story. I lived it. I've had a lot of success, and here's how I came about it:

Write a list called "What I want to be making by the time I'm 30", and devote it to memory. Stay abstract and philosophical. Talk to people who know about who you'd need to hire to accomplish those goals, and go learn to be those people. You have time, but not as much as you'd think. It takes 10 years to master a skill, and I'm guessing you'll have at least 4 to master before your list is ready for implementation. Start now. You can do more than one concurrently. The further along you get, the easier it will get. The goal is to master. Maintain a hunger for purity. Don't use something until you know exactly how it works, and why it was created. If you like something, try writing your own version.

It will be very hard at first. Keep that list in mind for motivation. Get jobs requiring your required skills, and always volunteer for the tasks your coworkers are afraid of. You will make mistakes, you will fail from time to time, but every year you will get better, stronger and faster.

Someday (if you stick with it) you'll be able to invent and build things that are yours, and yours alone. Things that matter. Things that change lives. Corporations will depend on you specifically. You will move the state of the art forward and make the world better.

Make sure you never forget what it felt like when you were new. When you'd take out a pen, and draw interface designs for a product you can't build yet. When "This would be so cool" outweighed "This will be so hard to build". Create your own challenges and break through them.

You'll do great :). I'm looking forward to a chance to hire or compete with you some day.

bobfirestone 1 day ago 0 replies      
I have only been coding for a couple of years and know the feeling. There are so many things you could know that thinking about it is intimidating. A few of things I think you should do...

1. There are a lot of free CS courses being put online. Start with the courses at Udacity.com they are the most "friendly" to start with. Then move up to the university level courses at coursera & edx.

2. Find a local user group. Connecting with other programmers in your area gives you a support network to ask questions to.

3. Study algorithms.

4. Write lots of little command line apps. Don't worry about them being useful just focus on making the code good.

5. If you are not already doing it take all the math classes you can.

You are 14 and that is a good thing. If you stick with it and keep learning you will be a badass when you are 18.

saluki 2 days ago 0 replies      
For starters create a basic web app. Pick something you or you and your friends/family are interested in.

Maybe a to do list app or maybe an app that you can chat with your friends on or track your DVD/other collection . . . organize photos or maybe a family meal planner.

Pick something you are interested in and then start trying to build it at a basic level.

There are lots of tutorials out there for the individual components you'll need.

Once you have the basics up and running then start adding features.

As far as the APIs go choose something simple for starters, like obtaining a piece of data you want to incorporate into your app via an API and go from there. Maybe creating a basic HTML5 mobile weather app.

You are going to have to learn some things on your own even in college so don't worry about advanced classes not being available at your school. Classes are typically going to be behind the latest trends anyway. They provide a good foundation but won't cover everything you need.

Some ideas for new things to check out . . . skills to learn.

Learn to develop mobile websites and apps using jQuery Mobile.

Learn Ruby on Rails.

Create some simple iOS apps.

Create a websites for friends and family.

Good luck!

lsiebert 2 days ago 0 replies      

It seems like you want support in expanding, mentorship etc.

There are a couple of options you have. You can see if you can take classes at your local junior/community college in python.

You can try to do what you want, and when you get stuck, go on a python mailing list, a irc channel, stackoverflow.com, a python user group, a hacker space, etc.

You can also decide things are too hard and give up, or put things off. I won't judge you, programming is often difficult and frustrating when I'm doing new stuff.

Anyway, do something else, dive in, or give up.

ashr 2 days ago 0 replies      
Start with www.coursera.org. There, you will find classes with varying degree of difficulty. If you can, audit a computer science class in the nearby college/university. Build something that you think you would be able to use yourself. Build it bottom-up, one small feature at a time.
andrejewski 3 days ago 0 replies      
I have a similar problem, but I'm off by a year. I'm fifteen and have basically run out of any CS-related classes to take at my school. I have shifted into math classes (Calc, Stats) to help me get some "computation" this year at school. Just as someone who was where you are, I'd say don't get discouraged by what your school offers and try to work on your craft outside of school. Depending on how much you have learned about CS and programming, maybe learning more and iterating on some side projects would suffice. It's definitely something that is hard to get over, you're not alone. Keep developing.
csalvato 1 day ago 0 replies      
Don't underestimate yourself. Don't be afraid to shine through.

Start small. Maybe start with a single cloud platform, like Evernote or iCloud. Once you know the ins and outs of a particular platform, and are an expert on that, move on to the next one.

Baby steps, just keep moving in the right direction and DON'T STOP and DON'T BE AFRAID.

You are experiencing a fear of success. Overcome it, and just keep your head down and ship.

michael_fine 3 days ago 1 reply      
Hey, I'm 15 and feel like I was just in your position. Emails in my profile, if you'd like to talk, or you can Skype me at michaelhfine
jason_slack 3 days ago 0 replies      
This may be out of the box a bit, but if you think going from "intermediate to advanced" (your wording) will be huge, maybe that is exactly what you need?

Get it? It should be scary. You are doing something new to you.

Watch the movie "Indie Game". If you dont have the $10 to buy it I will gift it to you from iTunes.

Ask questions, you are 14, you wont be bothering anyone. If someone gives you a hard time it is because they are jealous. E-Mail in profile.

orangethirty 3 days ago 1 reply      
I have some teenagers working with Python on Nuuton and you might feel at home with them. They are building the main search crawler, and some of the APIs, so its also a cool and interesting project for you.
Send me an email (address in profile). If anything, I can at least point you in a good direction.
pbreit 2 days ago 0 replies      
Check out Web2py which is a simple download and enables super easy development of Python-based web apps.
dotborg 2 days ago 0 replies      
Don't waste your childhood on programming. Get some other knowledge outside of computer science.
hoodoof 3 days ago 0 replies      
Build something small that does a little bit of what you find interesting. Try to do less. The more you take on up front, the harder and more daunting it will be for you.
biscarch 3 days ago 1 reply      
This is going to be short but my advice is "Jump In".

As long as you keep at it you'll learn how to swim in larger and larger oceans.

You can ask questions on sites like StackOverflow or in IRC if you get stuck.

zengr 2 days ago 1 reply      
Find a mentor.
yishengjiang 2 days ago 0 replies      
You should become a PowerPoint ninja if your school only offers PowerPoint.
Ask HN: Can I visit your startup in SF?
88 points by maxcameron  5 days ago   83 comments top 28
petercooper 5 days ago 7 replies      
There have been quite a few threads like this on HN over the years (including one I made :-)). I wonder if there's some way of formalizing or aggregating the concept of visiting other companies, it seems there's an audience for it.
volandovengo 5 days ago 1 reply      
Kera looks great! Is it currently an idea that you're trying to validate or are you currently coding it up and waiting to launch?
arram 5 days ago 3 replies      
You're welcome to join us for lunch at ZeroCater. Email in profile.
kloncks 5 days ago 1 reply      
We do payments (https://www.ribbon.co) and would love to show you our offices in SOMA.


enjo 5 days ago 1 reply      
Not California, but if you find yourself in Denver/Boulder I'd love to show you around:)
reiz 5 days ago 1 reply      
Hi Max. My Name is Robert Reiz. I am the founder of http://www.versioneye.com. That is my second Start-Up. I am coming at the same time to San Francisco, from Germany. I like your product, I like Canadians and of course I like Beer :-)
I will contact you.
SwaroopH 5 days ago 1 reply      
Come visit Startup House (5th and Harrison) to meet us (http://attico.us) and various other startups.
mnicole 5 days ago 1 reply      
This is exactly the tool I've been waiting for; great work and good luck!
stefanobernardi 5 days ago 1 reply      
Max, Kera.io looks awesome, congratulations.

Happy to have you guys visit, and we'd love to talk about using the product too.

We're in SOMA. stefano ]a-t[ betable.com

zocoi 5 days ago 1 reply      
Checkout http://openco.us/, they are doing a kickoff today where you can spend an hour visiting a startup in their list, from airbnb to zynga and beyond
froseph 5 days ago 1 reply      
Drop by whitetruffle ( https://www.whitetruffle.com/ ). We're located in Rocketspace coworking space. @froseph or joseph@whitetruffle.com
porterhaney 5 days ago 1 reply      
Will you be bringing poutine?
scylla 5 days ago 1 reply      
Come stop by. http://www.appdirect.com

We're based in San Francisco but founded by two Canadians.

bernardom 5 days ago 1 reply      
Very, very cool startup.

For us non-technical folk, you might wish to add a section to your how-to explaining how Kera.io would interact with proprietary data; for example, if our app happens to be financial, would you be able to see any of it? Or is the script hosted on our end?

(This may be obvious to a dev, but not to me, and therefore caused me to send this to our devs to ask)

jjmanton 5 days ago 1 reply      
I am from Atlanta and I dont even know most of the startups around here.

Seems like there might be a need for the startup map.

ultrasaurus 5 days ago 1 reply      
Max, I'll shoot you an email, PagerDuty is originally a YYZ startup too and we're at 2nd and Bryant in SOMA.
tomblomfield 5 days ago 1 reply      
This is an awesome tool. How did I not know about it?!
revicon 5 days ago 1 reply      
Hey Max, stop by Gigwalk when you're down here, we're over on 4th and Bryant. I'll pop you an email. -Matt
dsowers 5 days ago 1 reply      
Your software is really cool. Just wondering why you haven't completed your website yet. The "how it works" just takes you to a google doc. Anyway, best of luck. If you want to venture to Lake Tahoe, I'd be happy to grab a beer.
ishake 5 days ago 1 reply      
Originally from Toronto myself. Part of a startup called Insight (YC). We're based in Palo Alto. Happy to grab a coffee when you guys are here.
jaymstr 5 days ago 2 replies      
Definitely welcome to come visit LaunchRock. I'm jameson@launchrock.com.
briancary 5 days ago 2 replies      
Hey Max - we'd love to meet you guys in person and have you check out our sweet office and awesome company (ReTargeter). How about Friday the 26th?
mstank 5 days ago 1 reply      
Wow, great product. Any examples of companies using it or are you still in the early stages?
gobengo 4 days ago 1 reply      
Come hang out with us (me?) at Livefyre. 3rd/Market downtown.
tatianajosephy 5 days ago 0 replies      
We'd love to see you at CrowdFlower. Email forthcoming.
jaequery 5 days ago 2 replies      
where do i sign up to invest?
taigeair 5 days ago 1 reply      
good luck guys!
larrys 5 days ago 4 replies      
I find this entire approach fascinating.

That someone can post this on HN and get a bunch of invites back.

Does doing something like this scale? What if everybody just decided to post "hey I'm coming to SF is there a place for me to crash" or "hey I'm coming to NYC anyone want to have coffee?" or "I have a problem writing perl..."

Since there are companies that you are trying to reach, and you must have some idea of the type of company you want to reach, why not put some effort into doing something other than the obvious easiest thing which is to post an "Ask HN" and see who bites?

(For the record I wouldn't feel the same way if a top commenter who spends much time on HN made a similar request because at least they have put time and effort into HN (and I don't consider my karma as anywhere near that point for the record.)

Ask HN: Judge my Upcoming App's Landing Page
15 points by awolf  3 days ago   31 comments top 18
webwright 3 days ago 1 reply      
Congrats on the impending launch!

No idea what I'd do with the app, what it does, or why I'd want it. "Customize a tour to a point of interest" is not meaning heavy for me. I've never customized a tour in my life. I don't know why I'd want to. You'll want to A/B/C test lots of headlines/copy, but I'd say this is a pretty rough start.

What are hidden gems? Restaurants? Tourist spots?

Your headline/copy needs to paint a picture to the target user and make someone feel that this is the PERFECT app for them. Who is that? Travelers? Partiers? Geocachers? Bored folks on weekend? I'd start with very narrow positioning and expand from there.

The screenshot is you greatest weapon for communication and the first thing people will look at. It's a busy map with a lot of colorful pins. What are the pins? What do the colors mean? What do the icons mean?

fleitz 3 days ago 1 reply      
Moar links. Seriously, you've got some awesome click targets and no links.

  Logo / title -> Link to app store
Titles for copy -> Link to app store
Big awesome image of app on phone -> link to app store.

While you're at it sign up for the affliate program and get an extra 5% from Apple. Your copy highlights features not benefits.

Pick the best benefit of the app and highlight that.

For me I'd go with something like.

Impress them with a hidden gem.
Wanderous helps you find great places, right next door.

(I actually have no idea what kinds of places wanderous will help me find, etc, I'm assuming it finds great restaurants or something)

Then go buy a hires stock photo of a great example of a place someone might discover on Wanderous along with two smiling people enjoying themselves, multiply the image by 20% black and put your text on top in white along with the image of the app.

The sign up should state that due to demand everyone will have to wait for an account and to reserve their spot they should put in their email, else they'll have to wait even longer to find great places.

diziet 3 days ago 1 reply      
I think that your efforts are spent much better focusing on figuring out the marketing for your app within the app store itself. Sure, having an awesome looking web page is neat, but in terms of real traffic that it will bring (other than this one HN news spike) it isn't a good investment of your time. For example, a google search for "wanderousapp" or "wanderous app" does not bring up your domain, and neither does "wanderous". And you know what, that is okay for now. No one is really googling for your app name, and you can't really expect to get much web traffic on your landing page. Your itunes page for your app can be your web presence for now.

I'd recommend focusing on making a really good first screenshot that is representative of what your app does while piquing interest, and figure out a way to get as many blogs/news sources to cover your app release as possible. After that, figure out what kind of searches within the iTune store your app can actually rank for and target those specific keyword combinations. Good luck!

P.S.: Since you're in San Francisco, do you have the Planet Granite Rock Climbing Gym as one of your points of interest?

tomasien 2 days ago 1 reply      
Final advice: Make some tweaks based on the suggestions posted here (a more clear value prop is needed, if only that), ship the sonofabitch, and then implement the suggestions and A/B test them to find out which ones are working. Do this for as long as it takes.

THEN GO BE A ROCK STAR and happy shipping!

uptown 3 days ago 0 replies      
If you don't want to put a lot of time into your app-marketing site, the easy solution is to just setup a blog using a Wordpress theme designed for that purpose. There's a bunch of free ones that do a good job of highlighting your app in a format thought-through by the theme's designer. They also give you the ability to use the built-in features like subscriptions, and other Wordpress-native plugins to engage your users without having to code it all yourself.

Here's a free one. There's a lot of others too. Just search for "Free App Wordpress Themes" to find some others:


losvedir 3 days ago 1 reply      
Looks good. I'm not much of a designer myself, so I can't comment on that, but I'd highly recommend throwing optimizely (or some other A/B testing tool like that, visual website optimizer would work, too) on there from the start.

That way, you can find what messaging works best as early as possible. A 3rd party javascript A/B tester is phenomenal for the types of tests where it'll work, as you can easily tweak and see results without changing any of the underlying website code.

Also, I like the "treasure map" phrasing, makes it sound romantic and interesting! Maybe you can work that a little more thematically into the design? Rather than simple white box, it could be on a scroll, or maybe the background could be a bed of gold coins. Something like that. (Again, not a designer, so take those suggestions with a grain of salt...)

awolf 3 days ago 0 replies      
nitochi 3 days ago 1 reply      
Hi, I think there is room for improvement. It is not clear to me exactly what the app does. At the beginning I thought it was an app to create real treasure hunts (like in a game). But now I think its a way to discover new places within an area? (Maybe I'm just stupid...but its the impression I got)
Check this post out, it gives some ideas on how to increase your landing page conversions: http://t.co/ZMaDaL17

Is there a social element on the app? Can you share your tours? Share your logs? I think that people would like to know that!

What is a "gem"? Who are the people that decide whether a place is a gem or not? Are they restaurants? Sights? Strip clubs?

I also think the 100% free for a limited time is confusing. Is it going to be 50% free later? I would revise the wording there...

I would also improve the design a bit, and change the background. It would be super cool to have something like a "pirate map" representation of NYC or some popular location in the background.

Hopefully this helps, I wish you good luck with your app!

dreadsword 3 days ago 1 reply      
You app looks like it might be really neat, but your landing page needs to explain it a bit more clearly - I'm still not sure if its a tour guide app, a location discovery thing, some kind of social meetup organizer, or what?

When would I use it? What would I use it for? Why would I use it instead of any other alternative? Answer those in one or two sentences...

"Wanderous turns trips into adventures by using your friend's recommendations to identify attractions, restaurants and more that you're sure to love."

When: when you take a trip somewhere,
What: things to do, place to eat,
Why: friend's recommendations make for better picks

I don't know if any of the above applies to Wanderous, but you get the idea...

mnicole 2 days ago 0 replies      
Before Googling the URL, I initially thought this was for Wander (http://onwander.com/), which, while it hasn't officially launched yet, also deals with travel and has a huge following already in the design community (http://blog.onwander.com/). You might have already known this, but it may pose to be an unfortunate branding issue down the road.
habosa 3 days ago 0 replies      
Just a tiny thing: you definitely want a favicon. One of those little things that makes a website seem more "legit"
31reasons 3 days ago 0 replies      
Congratulations for the app. Looks like you put a lot of effort into it.

I would suggest create a great video of the app and put it on the website. You can use one of the After Effects template to create the video (http://bit.ly/TR33cL)
It will take you 5 hours to learn After Effects and make the video. Or you can hire someone to make the video. But its going to be really worth the effort.

erichcervantez 3 days ago 1 reply      
I think it's strange the App Store download button leads to a popup for my email address. I would have gone the LaunchRock route for something really quick and to the point.

Also if this is your official landing page for the app, I would do something much larger. Add more screenshots and detail on what the app does...you have to lure people in and convince them they should waste 5 minutes of their time installing your app.

Otherwise, cool idea if it hasn't already been done ;)

ummjackson 3 days ago 1 reply      
I'd play with the typography a little - if you want to stay sans-serif, why not slot in some Open-Sans? Just use Google Web Fonts loader and it'll take you two minutes. http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans

Also, a little border-radius on the container might make the app come across as more friendly.

umruehren 3 days ago 0 replies      
From the page, I don't see what the app lets me do. (My guess: Directions to places of interest? That would be google maps. Clearly you're hiding something more interesting)
kamobit 2 days ago 0 replies      
Try enlarging the template preview at: http://unbounce.com/landing-page-templates/#mobile-apps

They have good advice on there. From a copy and screenshot perspective I think the major points have been covered.

sapan 2 days ago 0 replies      
Congratulation for your app. I am also going to submit my app this week.

One thing you might want to check is if user has entered a email address or not when you ask for email address to notify.

modernise 3 days ago 1 reply      
This is better. http://atopiary.com/
Clojure has turned 5
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ankurdhama 23 hours ago 0 replies      
Happy b'day Clojure
Ask HN: Am I being paid fairly?
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debacle 2 days ago 0 replies      
In our industry, I've seen labor arbitrage ratios as low as 150% and as high as 2000%, so that's not a very good way to gauge pay - it depends on your market, your niche in the industry, and the risk that your employer takes on.

You're making a reasonable wage assuming a below average cost of living.

helen842000 2 days ago 0 replies      
Do some investigating into the temporary worker regulations for the country you are in.

Here in the UK a recent law came into force where temporary workers have to be paid the same as colleagues in the same role after 12 weeks. They should also get the same performance related bonuses too.

It's worth checking if your company need to pay your agency a fee if you were to join the company as a perm employee.

hiddenfeatures 2 days ago 0 replies      
Could you please give more context?
Which country are you working in?
Do you have a formal education / certificate for your qualifications?

In 2007 I earned about 1.300 Euros net (no perks) as a programmer (Fachinformatiker Anwendungsentwicklung) in Germany.
So if you don't have a university degree, I would assume your pay to be average.

Just my 2 cents

shanelja 2 days ago 1 reply      
I'll put this in to perspective for you, you earn 4 times the amount I do for the same field.
pkhamre 2 days ago 0 replies      
If you don't get the response you want here, try the Workplace Stackexchange - http://workplace.stackexchange.com/
Dropbox ToS Update: "admins may have access to team member accounts"
6 points by johndbritton  2 days ago   1 comment top
iamdave 2 days ago 0 replies      
Apple repairs ask for root password
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xuki 2 days ago 0 replies      
I remember the authorized Apple repair shop here asked for my password as well, I asked them if I could create another account with password, they said it's fine. Just make a throwaway account and delete it afterward, no big deal.
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both claimed. Bloggateway, greymobile, acourses and partnerart still free.
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