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Show HN: TweetBoard.me
55 points by jv22222  2 hours ago   32 comments top 16
raju 6 minutes ago 0 replies      
Very very nice work. I am no twitter power user, but I really like the interface.

I have been thinking of making a similar dashboard for work (much like GeckoBoard) but I wanted to roll my own as a way to learn JQuery and CSS ...

I see from your comments that it's a JQuery impl. Great work!

Thanks for the inspiration. I need to put my head down and get cranking :)

ColinWright 2 hours ago 2 replies      
Clickable: http://TweetBoard.me

    Oops - it looks like Twitter might be down,
or this machines Twitter API limit has been

paulitex 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Nice approach, i like the look. My follower graph & data is wrong though.

Is this a side project or are you fulltime?

jv22222 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Clickable WORKING version! http://tweetboard.me/#!/ladygaga
swanson 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Justin mentioned the logo is by Scott Jackon (http://www.iamscotty.com/blog/) when he talked about this on techzing - I really like it.

The design is a bit too much like GeckoBoard I think and it's currently not pulling in any tweets, but I assume this will be fixed soon.

atldev 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Nice work Justin! I heard you mention this project on your last podcast and was looking forward to seeing it. I know there are a bunch of tools out there to better manage twitter, but this is the easiest at-a-glance view without any setup that I've found.
mise 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Apart from the logo, did you design the site yourself? Start off with CSS from somewhere else? Nicely done, Justin. Header you talk about it with impatience on Techzing :)
riskish 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Very cool. Did you use any framework for the widgets? How was it built?
thanasisp 1 hour ago 1 reply      
I like it, what will you do to remind me to get back after a few days when you have stats about my account? (@thanpolas)
LeandroLovisolo 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Love the concept, but the Friend Wall and Follower Growth panels have no data for me. Same with the To/From @Username panels.

I can send you a screenshot if you want.

folke 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Not working here, but the design looks great! :-) http://tweetboard.me/#!/folke
dtsingletary 1 hour ago 0 replies      
This turned out really well; better than the screenshots let on!
sygeek 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I can't scroll to right, half of the screen is cut.
botj 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Doesn't scale right on an iPhone.
techarch 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Pretty darn cool!
Wiegel 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Hey Notch I bought minecracft but on 9-23-11 it just said: user not premium after i paid for the full version of the game so I'm wondering what i should do to got my username back and beable to play full version multilayer so what should i do?
Ask HN: What API to the physical world do you wish existed?
30 points by lemma  1 hour ago   29 comments top 19
mike-cardwell 22 minutes ago 1 reply      
I'd like to be able to pay other people to phone up companies on my behalf to do things like closing accounts or changing my address on accounts. Ie, so I could go to a website and fill in a quick form with the following info:

Phone water company X on phone number N
Close my account
Information you might need: My name is Y, my account number is Z, my address is A and my password is B

I hate having to speak to people whos job it is to try and stop me achieving my goal, ie cancelling accounts. And having to wait on hold, and having to phone back when the call queue is shorter. etc

I guess you could create a dedicated API wrapped around Mechanical Turk, and then stick a website in front of it.

jamii 27 minutes ago 1 reply      
Shopping. Plenty of places in the UK have online shopping with home delivery but the interface is terrible. If they published an API someone could do a proper job of it. I would pay a fair bit of money for a weekly box of food with a list of recipes for each day so I don't have to make decisions. Even better if I can thumbs up/down each meal and the system learns what kind of food I like.
saulrh 14 minutes ago 0 replies      
Object retrieval. Little helicopter UAVs that can buy you a pencil or a granola bar, or pick up a flash drive or some paperwork from your house, and fly it out to you.
viscanti 42 minutes ago 1 reply      
I'd like an API for places that have bad customer service. Ideally, there would be an automated boxing glove set on the customer service representative's desk, that I could tap into in the case of bad customer service, and I could bop them in the face. There's been several times when I'd like to reach through a computer or phone and hit them (Note: I'm not an especially violent person). Those companies could monazite the process and make money off their poor customer service (There's been times when I'd definitely pay for that).
senthilnayagam 54 minutes ago 0 replies      
Get realtime satellite pictures of any geo coordinates as shown in Hollywood movies, govt/military probably has access to it, but if it was available then people can see how humans are treating earth and its ecosystem, this can lead to sustainable development and can help a lot in natural disasters
jroseattle 55 minutes ago 1 reply      
An Errand and Task API. Child shuttle/delivery API. Hardware store parts-in-stock API.

And, because I'm in Seattle....a Weather API (with CRUD capabilities.)

DanielRibeiro 8 minutes ago 0 replies      
Learning: A matrix-like api would be just great.
dhpye 1 hour ago 1 reply      

If you are truly God, please implement ASAP

rohit89 7 minutes ago 0 replies      
A find() method for physical objects that'll return co-ordinates of where it's located. Very useful for locating people as well.
rokhayakebe 1 hour ago 0 replies      
A bit different. I think every person should have their own API. Something standardized. This would be all their data and different methods/permissions to access it. Furthermore you should be able to host/move this data where ever you like. Any service can have read and/or write access to your API depending on your preferences.
derrida 26 minutes ago 0 replies      
The Human Body. Oh wait. We already have one.
declancostello 1 hour ago 0 replies      
google search on books - on the back cover.

I'd like a digital wall paper on my walls so that I could change how my walls look every day.

sathishmanohar 1 hour ago 1 reply      
GeoLocation for Keys. (literal keys)
buddydvd 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Prices of auto services local to where you live (e.g. oil change).
xd 1 hour ago 1 reply      
My brain.
wuster 20 minutes ago 1 reply      
DVRs. For when I space out in long lectures or meetings =)
dinde 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I want search functionality at the grocery store.
Neuromantic 38 minutes ago 1 reply      
Chicks, man...
avianchaosx 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Google is pretty much working on this: telling a car to go where I want it to go.
Ask HN: Founding a startup in New York City?
43 points by sipefree  6 hours ago   35 comments top 23
endtime 2 minutes ago 0 replies      
I can't compare to SV, but I wouldn't say there's a lack of camaraderie among NYC startups.

Apartments - check out http://padmapper.com for data. Chances are you'll be spending between $800 (in places like Astoria) up to $2400 (in nicer buildings in central Manhattan) per person, depending on your living arrangements.

Office: I think desks are usually around $1000/month, though you might find some cheaper. How many are you? I can check in with my CEO and see if we have any vacancies (we have a whole floor, most of which we sublet, at 36th and 6th). I do agree with the advice to get into a General Assembly/DogPatch/etc. if you can, though.

frankdenbow 5 hours ago 0 replies      
There are many resources for you, especially as the community continues to grow. I haven't experienced much of the cut-throat attitude at all. In fact I have gotten a tremendous amount fo support and advice from many in the community here over the past year.

I'd suggest starting off in a co-working space since you can share resources and get help, instead of siloing yourself in a separate office.

Some resources to check out include:

Working Spaces

General Assembly - http://generalassemb.ly

New Work City - http://nwc.co

We Work Labs - http://weworklabs.com

DogPatch Labs - http://dogpatchlabs.com

LooseCubes (search for a place) - http://loosecubes.com

Email Events Lists

Startup Digest - http://startupdigest.com

This Week In NYC Innovation - http://bit.ly/nycinnovation


Ohours - http://ohours.org

Meetup - http://meetup.com

NyHacker - http://nyhacker.org

Startup Weekend - http://startupweekend.org

Lean Startup Machine - http://theleanstartupmachine.com

gyardley 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Right now we have a two-person office at WeWork on 34th. $1,000 per month, month-to-month lease, decent facilities (conference rooms, phones, printers, etc.) About what you'd pay renting desks at another company, less than you'd pay for shared space at an incubator. I'd start with a short-term office rental like we've got, or possibly a sublet. Commercial leases in Manhattan are a pain in the ass.

Manhattan is expensive; the further you go from Manhattan, the lower the rent. I live in Hoboken, right across the river in New Jersey. New Jersey carries a moderate stigma (snotty Manhattanites won't travel there) so you end up getting more for your rent. I wouldn't overlook it if you're trying to save money, as long as you're walking distance to a PATH station. (The PATH train runs 24 hours, just like the NYC subway, except it's slightly cheaper and cleaner.) I used to live on 138th St. in Manhattan, and now I have the same amount of space in a nicer neighborhood for less money - and my commute to the relevant parts of Manhattan is both shorter and more pleasant.

The tech community's there if you want it, but it's not omnipresent like it is in San Francisco. If you put in an effort to meet people you'll be fine. I wouldn't describe it as 'more cut-throat' at all. People are both nice and social.

Recruiting is brutal. Then again, I hear recruiting in San Francisco is also brutal.

Health insurance is a pain. If you've got real funding, a professional employer organization (PEO) like Ambrose is the way to go - they take care of payroll and health insurance. If not, talk to a broker and get something with a high-deductible - you're getting it in case of catastrophe, not for every sniffle. Don't go without.

I'm an immigrant, but I had my permanent residency sorted long before I started starting companies, so I can't help much there. I can tell you that as a Canadian, I found U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services inefficient and irritating to deal with, but not malevolent. They'd probably have a similar attitude towards you - Ireland's a first-world country. Just be completely honest and make sure your paperwork is perfect.

If you do relocate, send me an email, and we'll get lunch.

krschultz 4 hours ago 2 replies      
I'm not sure of the prices in Dublin, but this I found that the cost of living in NYC is a bit over exagerated compared to other places in the NYC metro area.

I live about 2.5 hours from NYC and I pay $1400 a month for rent. I also pay $120 for car insurance, $20-50 a month on average for car maitenance, and around $300 a month on gas. Excluding car payments (I have a relatively old car that I have paid off). So my total cost of renting + a car is around $1850. I absolutely can get an apartment in Manhattan for that price that I would like, I've been in several. Obviously in Manhattan, I wouldn't own a car so thats why the comparison holds.

(I assume that utilities, TV, internet are basically constant no matter where you live).

Food is the big X factor. I can't quite figure out what the cost difference is. When I worked in Manhattan I ate out for lunch and it was generally around $10, sometimes more and sometimes less. My lunch now is around $7. Should I extrapolate that across my food budget? That makes me think it is going to be an extra $200 a month. I really don't know.

I think the cost of living gets so skewed because people try and compare price for a square foot. Right now I live in a 3 bedroom condo with a garage, a dining room, a laundry room, 2.5 baths, etc. I pay $1400 for that. But if I moved into NYC I'd have a 1 bedroom or a 2 bedroom and a roommate. Obviously if I wanted the same interior space I'd pay an enormous amount. But I don't need all that room. I don't even use it all now. So you have to compare lifestyle not the physical dimensions. In my current house, my family room is enormous and has a fireplace (that I never use). Do I need to be 15 feet from my TV? Of course not. It probably would look better if it I was closer. If you put me in the typical NYC family room, my couch will be 3' from the TV. I've lost a lot of space, but functionally the room is exactly the same. I still get the same enjoyment out of the place and the same utility.

A lot of people walk into a tiny NYC apartment and say, this is so SMALL! How do you even live here! But frankly, it just doesn't matter.

elliottcarlson 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Everyone mentions the prices in NYC and Brooklyn, but living in the often forgotten borough Staten Island I pay $800 for a 1 bedroom apartment right at the water, with a Manhattan bound bus minutes away. I have the luxury of privacy since I don't need a roommate, and things are a lot more quiet and peaceful here and for me personally, I enjoy coming home to that after spending 12 hours coding away in the city - I have unwinding time on the bus and then just relax without all the city noise.

I found this apartment via craigslist.org - I think that will be the easiest route to go without dealing with an overpriced realtor.

i2pi 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I founded BankSimple in NY. I'm an Australian immigrant, and my co-founder is Indian. We pay less than $2k/mo for rent for an awesome office in Brooklyn, we had 10 people in the office over summer. Most of my team lives in Brooklyn, where things are much more affordable, but you are still likely to be paying over $1600/mo for a small apartment.

I've never lived in SF, but as I understand it, it is not much cheaper.

There is a great community of tech startups, but they tend to be around the Union Square area in Manhattan. I spend a bunch of time meeting up with folks around Union Square, but its only a 15min train ride in from Dumbo in Brooklyn. Meetup is based here and there are a ton of tech and startup meetups. You wont find yourself lacking for social support as you build up your business.

I love NY. There is a fantastic culture of getting shit done. The city is cut throat, but that is inspiring. Everyone is on a mission. And its not all about technology. You meet inspired folks from all walks of life. Talented designers, musicians, financiers, advertisers, chefs and architects.

I'm going to miss NY. My company is heading to Portland, but I hope to bring the best of NY to Portland.

ryanb 2 hours ago 1 reply      
It's true that apartments are expensive in NY, but they're also similarly expensive in San Francisco, and parts of Silicon Valley (Palo Alto).

There's a lot of affordable co-working spaces in NYC if you want some sort office to start, but the most ideal space might be your apartment anyway.

You can also choose to live a little further out of the way if you're trying to save money - like in Queens, Brooklyn, or Jersey City. Depending on proximity to the subway etc, it can be just a 15 minute commute to Manhattan from any of these areas.

SeanOC 4 hours ago 0 replies      
There's lots of good advice in this thread already but I would add a pitch to take a look at Brooklyn. While not cheap, it's generally way less expensive than manhattan and there's an awesome mixed community of people from all kinds of different backgrounds.

As far as office space, there are are couple of co-working spaces mentioned already, but there's also a great place called GreenDesk [1]. GreenDesk lets you rent anything from a single desk to an office for 6-7 people, it's relatively inexpensive, it's month to month so you're not locked into a lease, and it's in a pretty nice neighborhood with good subway connections.

Finally as far as culture, I'd say the NY tech scene is a more fractured than SF (there's a lot of finance folks here who usually don't interact much with the startup world) but within the startup space it's very active and friendly. One of the best things you can do to get involved and to get to know people is go to various meetup groups [2]. There are groups for virtually every neighborhood, specialization, and technology.

Good luck with the move and hopefully see you around NYC soon!

[1] http://greendesk.com/index.html
[2] http://www.meetup.com/find/?userFreeform=10001&radius=5&...

michaelochurch 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I would say: do it. Then again, I'm already in New York.

Manhattan is more expensive than Silicon Valley but the "greater metropolitan area" is not as bad as the Bay Area. In California, even far-out suburbs are expensive. In comparison, you can live 45 minutes from New York pretty cheaply.

arun057 5 hours ago 0 replies      
On the contrary to what you ve heard, there is a huge startup network in NYC. You ll have the support you seek when you need it. Everything else is just expensive.

Most of the questions you asked have been answered already. So I ll give you some pointers about the housing question.

1. Craigslist. - http://newyork.craigslist.org/
2. Padmapper - http://www.padmapper.com - maps all the apartments on craigslist.
3. http://www.nybits.com - for apartment listings from building managers.

The average "decent" studio apartment in Manhattan will cost you anything from $1000 - $3000. It might be a little lesser if you get a bigger place and share. Living costs are very high, but the fact that you could go shopping for groceries across the street at 3am makes up for it.

anamax 2 hours ago 0 replies      
> We'll be offered support in getting visas and such, but I'd like to hear any anecdotes about the process.

Does "support" mean "Hi, I'm the lawyer who will make this all work, like I've done dozens of time this year, so most of your contact will be with my assistant, and my fees and the expenses are already taken care of." If not, you've got a lot of work to do.

WRT moving to NY (or anywhere for that matter).

(1) Why and by how much will moving improve your chances of success?

(2) How much will it cost in time and money to move?

Is (2) less than (1)?

Seriously - the absolute best case is that you spend a week moving. The more reasonable best case is that you spend a month (preparing to move and dealing with the move after you're there will also take time). The likely case is that you'll lose 2-3 months and you could lose more.

SoftwarePatent 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm Irish-American doing a (pre-funded) startup in Brooklyn. Living in Manhattan would be an extravagant expense for someone doing a startup. If you want to be around other Irish people, there's a great community in Sunnyside, Queens.

On Monday there's a YC meet up here in NYC where PG is going to deliver comments on NYC as a startup community. I'm looking forward to what he has to say, he criticized New York in the past as a startup hub, but since YC is having a 500 person meet up here I'd expect his feelings have changed.

rrival 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Office space with walls is limited but there's lots of coworking space - check out loosecubes.com to search it. Private reserved desks are ~$500/mo.

Apartments: nybits.com / streeteasy.com / nakedapartments.com. Look for no fee apartments. Brokers here take 15% of your annual rent as a commission and renters generally have to pay that. They'll also want to make sure you make 40x your rent. For example, $2500/mo apartment (~650sq ft in Manhattan) == prove you make $100k/yr with 2 years of tax returns, financial statements. If they could take a blood sample I think they probably would.

For camaraderie, go to events at GeneralAssemb.ly, check out meetups, check out Hackers & Founders.

lclaude01 58 minutes ago 0 replies      
I lived in New York City, Sunnyvale (Silicon Valley) and San Francisco.

In California, you spend +- $800/month on car stuff... and your small apart. will eat another $1000/month...

In New York, no car is needed and you can found a shared space for a very good price...the keyword in NYC is "shared". shared apt. , shared workspace...shared girlfriend.

The most important is the people of New York City (including Brooklyn). They are amazing! It will take you a good two years to be accepted as a "local", but when you are "in", they will become your extended family... this is priceless... you won't get this in California.

I always compared New York City as a nasty girlfriend, you want to leave her because she is nasty to you, but you stick with her because the sex is so good.

SandersAK 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I came back to the US after living in Paris, France and have had nothing but amazing support from the NY tech community.

I work out of General Assembly, and have found the network to be really supportive. In general, I think the community is smaller than in SF (from what I'm told) but seems actually pretty tight knit. People are willing to help you get to where you need to go, to be sure.

The fact that things like Kickstarter and Skillshare were founded in NY attest at least some to the idea of community based collaboration and support.

Definitely couldn't have asked for a better start for our project Good Karma than in NY.

Offices in Manhattan are expensive - i'd look at shared workspaces that others have mentioned. Actually, everything in Manhattan is expensive. Brooklyn is a lot more affordable, though increasingly hot spots like Williamsburg, Greenpoint etc., are becoming just as expensive.

You should DEFINITELY check out the Startup Visa project that's being backed by big names like Brad Feld, Dave Mcclure etc. if you're looking at visa issues.

NY is fun. There's no other place in the world where people are passionately putting everything on the line to realize their dreams, failing, and trying to do it all over again the next day. It's energy incarnate.

sak84 4 hours ago 1 reply      
If you're speaking with investors, and are good about networking with funded startups chances are you can get office space for free for several months.

Regarding rent, you'll be paying a lot, and finding an apartment in NYC is a grueling process. But, there's a reason rent is high -- people love NYC!

benofsky 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I just did the Leaving Cert in Dublin in June and I'm currently interning at Hunch. You'll hear a lot of people going on about just how expensive New York is, but, honestly compared to Dublin, it's cheaper or the same price for pretty much everything. New York is exceptionally expensive in comparison to the rest of the US, but, in comparison to Dublin, it really isn't at all.

As for camaraderie, the tech scene here feels very friendly and there're plenty of people helping each other out (I don't really have anything to compare it to though). Get in touch if you have any questions.

opendomain 5 hours ago 0 replies      
New York is one of the most expensive place to live and work. This is not just the cost of housing, but also food, travel, and hiring.
NYC is more cut-throat than SF - you know the old song "If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere." This is a problem with so many people working so hard that it is almost an uncaring attitude for your fellow man.
However, NYC is where the money is and a good surrogate to Silicon Valley. New York is a very active city, and has the best mix of culture, food, and experience that you will find anywhere in the world. There is good infrastructure to live outside the city (but you will pay in time for commuting). If you do decide on NYC, I will gladly help - look me up on my profile
llambda 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I just came back from a visit to Dogpatch Labs[1], where several start ups are sharing office space. It was quite a cool space, I have to say. I'm not sure if there are others like this in NYC (I imagine this isn't the only one) but check it out.

[1] http://dogpatchlabs.com/about/

apaprocki 5 hours ago 0 replies      
For workspace and a chance to network, check out some of the co-working spaces available in NYC:


You'll be able to find local people to talk to at the NY tech meetup:


For finding real estate, rentals, rooms/sublets, Craigslist is still probably the best bet (unless you're up for Airbnb):


It is generally cheaper to find a place to live right outside the city in Brooklyn/Queens that is close to the subways and/or bridges (if you want to bike).

Hope that is somewhat helpful, others can comment more on startups / immigrant issues.

CodeCube 5 hours ago 0 replies      
http://nyhacker.org/ ... there's plenty of camaraderie in the city. You can easily meet up with a different organized group almost every night and not run out. And a +1 for http://nwc.co as well
epc 4 hours ago 0 replies      
+1 to the previous posts. Only additional link I'd add is for the NextNY list - http://groups.google.com/group/nextnydigital .
mjshampine 4 hours ago 0 replies      
You should try getting in touch with @meetforeal and @amonter5. They both came over from Ireland with a similar story and now work with us in WeWork Labs.
Can we have a standard for audio volume?
4 points by asher_  47 minutes ago   4 comments top 3
anigbrowl 24 minutes ago 0 replies      
Oh, definitely. Good luck getting people to stick with it though. Read up on the 'loudness war.' In pro audio, getting the volume right (sometimes across multiple chains of devices, eg guitar > amp > microphone >mixer > audio interface > software) is called 'gain structure' and it's one of the hardest things to consistently get right.

A client side solution is certainly possible, but as you'll see from the 'loudness war' the enemy is not so much peak audio levels as dynamic compression, which means a piece of music can end up seeming too quiet and too loud at the same time. Awesome. You can't really code this away because it would essentially require de-mixing (a hard problem) and then re-mixing with good taste (something that's frequently lacking even in wetware).

tep 22 minutes ago 0 replies      
Technically, 0db is the loudest a digital signal can be. For the perceived loudness, however, the average loudness is what matters. If you have a recording of something that is loud for just a millisecond and the rest is rather quiet you would perceive the whole recording as quiet.

One way to come closer to a standard volume would be to establish a 'law' that says "no recording should be louder as x DB RMS). Every recording could be squeezed into such a dynamic, for example, by deploying compressors.

But there are two problems. 1) Different recordings need different frequency ranges.
If you would compress classical music as hard as pop music is compressed, chances are the listening experience would be completely ruined. 2.) It's not just volume that influences how loud something is perceived.
Material which has emphasis on 2khz would be perceived much louder than something that is just as loud but around 80 hz.
(See Fletcher-Muson Curve[1])

However, there is a non-profit organization that somewhat tries to solve your problem. They don't aim for "standard volume". But they try to bring back dynamic into audio recordings.(Today most stuff has a very small dynamic range)

Read this:

I hope I could help a little. Sorry for my poor English.


edit: Where are the guys from Ableton? Perhaps they could enlighten us :-)

Lincoln 20 minutes ago 1 reply      
Normalization. The problem is clarity or clipping. While users may enjoy some program to normalize the output in some significant way, a 'standard volume' would injure the craft of audio as much, I think.
Today a programmer was born. And you are my mother.
61 points by vnchr  8 hours ago   20 comments top 13
justin_vanw 2 hours ago 1 reply      
You don't know it yet, but you're a ruby programmer. I don't mean "you'll use ruby possibly", I mean that is the community that you will understand and that will understand you. Don't ask me how I can tell, reading your posting it is obvious.

I hope you continue to have as much fun and continue to get orgasmic pleasure at every tiny milestone.


alinajaf 3 hours ago 1 reply      
10+ years since my first 'Hello, world!' (in VB, bleugh) and I still feel like an imposter doing this. You have a long, mind-expanding, incredibly frustrating and deeply rewarding road ahead. Good luck!
watmough 2 hours ago 1 reply      
You might want to make an actual readme for GitHub instead of posting the default Rails one!

Plus your overthehump link is broken (at the top of the GitHub page).

Neat, congratulations, this looks really useful. There's probably a startup in here somewhere if you could get bus and train times for a cohesive group of country-wide city and metro areas.

frou_dh 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Finding passion is winning.
ben1040 2 hours ago 1 reply      
So I surmise you must be in St. Louis. Hope to see you around at one of the many various nerd meetups around town.
cefarix 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Every worthwhile project you will do, you will learn something new. That's true for even those of us who have over 10 years of experience. Adapt or die - always true in the IT industry :)
bionicbrian 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Rad! I dig your positive energy. You will go far with that.

I agree with what you said about the community. I am constantly amazed at the amount of work and help people put out there for free.

adolfojp 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I like your attitude. Congrats.
sathishmanohar 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I kinda had a feeling, that you should have written it in Ruby On Rails before opening the link, seems I'm right.

Good Luck for your coding and other endeavors.

brianmckenzie 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Hey, congratulations. I'm also in St. Louis so I joined your meetup group.
VMG 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I don't quite get your app but congratulations anyway
acctng 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Feels good, doesn't it.
smoyer 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Welcome to the family!
Ask HN: How much access to your brain, are you willing to give?
2 points by sathishmanohar  56 minutes ago   discuss
Show HN: I created an iPhone app for my wild nights out
4 points by erken2x  3 hours ago   discuss
Ask HN: Third world country, Internet company success stories?
4 points by ya3r  3 hours ago   3 comments top 3
nateberkopec 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm a huge fan of the work of Ushahidi in Kenya (http://ushahidi.com/). They're probably the first "real" tech startup out of Nairobi.
mailarchis 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Some of the successful internet companies in India

1. irctc.co.in - indian railways gov site to sell tickets online. largest amount of online transactions happen over here
2. naukri.com - jobs site
3. shaadi.com/ bharatmatrimony.com - matrimony site
4. redbus.in - online bus ticketing
5. bookmyshow.com - online movie ticketing
6. zomato.com/burrp.com - local search websites with reviews
7. makemytrip.com/yatra.com/cleartrip.com - online air ticketing sites

There are lot more. Maybe others can add in. If you find that internet users is low in number you can try for a hybrid online/offline model. This is something that early job and matrimonial sites did in india

whacker 2 hours ago 0 replies      

Very successful. And outstanding service.

I am a happy customer.

Ask PG: HN about to turn 5?
2 points by ColinWright  1 hour ago   1 comment top
Ask HN: do you test your product/company names? If so, how?
2 points by Timothee  3 hours ago   1 comment top
tobin 2 hours ago 0 replies      
That FogCreek post is spot on. In the end, while a great product name can really help, a products ability to engage it's users is really what matters most.

I asked a friend of mine who is a writer how she comes up with titles for her stories & books. A lot of times they start with a working title and come up with something stronger after the story has been written. Usually something relevant to the story itself that may not have been discovered during the early mapping of the story. To quote my friend "A title doesn't create a good story, but a great story can create a great title. Just remember a great story is a great story regardless of the title."

Ask HN: Advice on when it is acceptable to simply "hack something together"?
5 points by yobriefcase  7 hours ago   2 comments top
arkitaip 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Do you want to do this for fun or business? If purely for fun, then I don't see any major flaws in your current approach. Sure, you end up with unfinished projects but you're hopefully learning tons and having a blast.

But if you're thinking about structuring things so you can better go from ideas to businesses, you need to reevaluate your entire approach. You need tools that can practically guide you through the stages of creating a software business, not just a general philosophy of getting things done.

Currently in the startup world, there's an interesting convergence between customer development and lean as applied to tech startups. Customer development is described in Steven Blank's "The Four Steps to the Epiphany" and Eric Ries' "The lean startup" is the book on lean startups. Both Blank and Ries have contributed to this convergence that I talk about at their respective sites [1] [2] but there's also overviews available [3] [4]. But why am I even recommending these two approaches? Because they cover business development from start to finish from as applied to software startups, so you know the advice is specific to our industry and very practical in nature. If you're serious about the business of software, customer development and lean startup will help you create a business with better certainty of execution and outcome. Together they provide a very potent combination of roadmap and compass, and principles and philosophy.

[1] http://steveblank.com/

[2] http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/

[3] http://www.recessmobile.com/blog/my-take-on-customer-develop...

[4] http://danielmckenzie.com/blog/2010/07/design-thinking-custo...

Ask HN: How to promote a fulfilment service?
3 points by nurik  7 hours ago   discuss
Ask HN: How to find quality code for re-purposing?
3 points by sathishmanohar  8 hours ago   discuss
Ask HN: I am a successful entrepreneur, does anybody have a cool project?
7 points by Jmetz1  15 hours ago   2 comments top 2
Dnguyen 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I have a project that was started last year. We tried for YC but didn't make it. My team got burned out and now it's stopped.
Our mission was to make mobile advertising more effective and connect the advertisers with the audiences. The advertisers can target their campaign at specific demographic audience. The ads are full screen and there's a mechanism for the advertisers to "interact" with the audience.
Also, we bring mobile advertising to SMB that do not have the skill or resource to get into the mobile space.
I'd be happy to go into more detail if you are interested.
solo960 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Are you looking for a paid job? or you want to join another startup as a partner? or are you looking to invest?

For paid jobs and joining other start ups twitter is actually pretty handy. Follow some companies, people you like and they are always tweeting/retweeting opportunities. Make sure to also follow incubators they are always retweeting about jobs for their companies.

Ask HN: Any non-saas profitable side projects?
7 points by idleworx  17 hours ago   1 comment top
jackkinsella 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I sell revision notes from college students at http://www.oxbridgenotes.co.uk. One module, £25.

I started the project by selling my old law notes from Oxford law school online, and, after a lot of work, the project makes enough money to meet my basic needs.

I've just added a commission-based system so if anyone, particularly smart Hacker News types, has typed up notes from college (their own material, not lecture handouts), I'll share the profits with them.

Show HN: SaaSaholics.com - A forum for SaaS builders (and a contest)
11 points by dchuk  20 hours ago   4 comments top 3
dchuk 20 hours ago 0 replies      
Just for due dilligence, here are the clickable links:

Forum: http://www.saasaholics.com
Contest: http://www.saasaholics.com/thread-let-s-kick-this-place-into...

donniefitz2 20 hours ago 1 reply      
I've been on SaaSaholics for a few weeks and it has potential.
n3rdlife 20 hours ago 0 replies      
great stuff !
Any startups looking for a generalist
4 points by bbeard25  16 hours ago   discuss
Ask HN: How does the London startup scene compare to NYC?
8 points by untog  1 day ago   1 comment top
ig1 1 day ago 0 replies      
The positive about London:

This weekend london has two hack weekends, CharityHack and Seedhack, a couple of weeks ago Startup Weekend was in London, next month Launch48 has a London event and there's a StartupWeekend Education event. There's also 2-3 specialized hackathons.

There's typically 50-75 tech/startup events a month in London these days. Pretty much by any standard it has an active social scene. Facebook Developer Garage London and Devnest are the largest monthly Facebook and Twitter developer events in the world.

The negative about London:

New York is still a better place to raise investment. We've no USV, we've no Fred Wilson. The number of VC funds is far smaller.

The number of tech angel investors is fairly small, the majority of the angel investors in London are not from tech backgrounds which obviously makes raising money harder.

On the other hand the number of US investors who are now investing in UK startups is actually growing pretty rapidly. Being based in London doesn't mean having to raise money only in London.

Ask HN: Why do so many "Ask HN:" posts seem to cluster together?
2 points by OzzyOsbourne  11 hours ago   2 comments top 2
ig1 9 hours ago 0 replies      
There's a special penalty that gets applied to Ask HN posts, I guess that's what's responsible for any clustering.
Ask HN: How can YouTube be improved?
5 points by fiddle  23 hours ago   6 comments top 6
staunch 21 hours ago 0 replies      
YouTube is nearly perfect for watching a video. That's what it's really good at. Not a lot of room for improvement on that.

The biggest unsolved problem is discovering good content. I would probably watch a lot more stuff on YouTube if I knew it existed. As is I usually learn about interesting content or producers from external sources. Making YouTube a better destination could turn it into something twice as amazing as it already is.

whichdan 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Two things I'm hoping for - a $3-5/mo ad-free subscription, and better playlist/favorites management.
byoung2 21 hours ago 0 replies      
Not sure if this has any practical use, but it would be interesting to tie user comments to a specific time in the video so that you can see comments about specific parts of the video. For example, instead of watching a video, then scrolling down to read a user comment like "watch the blooper at 3:57", you could have a ticker below the video where "watch the booper" popped up at 3:57. I know the video author can add annotations, but users can't.
ch0wn 23 hours ago 0 replies      
My biggest grief with YouTube currently is, that I still need to have Flash enabled in order to watch ad-powered videos.
decadentcactus 21 hours ago 0 replies      
Can't stand the new update not letting me middle click videos to open in new tabs.

Also a way to block accounts would be great so I don't see "John1" "JohnsGames" "JohnsIphoneVideos" "JohnsTuesdayRants" covering the Browse page.

dholowiski 22 hours ago 0 replies      
RSS Feeds so that you can subscribe to a channel as a Podcast in iTunes.
Ask HN: Where/How can I learn more about general webapp maintenance?
40 points by ha470  1 day ago   15 comments top 7
mattmanser 1 day ago 1 reply      

  1. Database, database, database
2. Database
3. It's probably your database unless you're doing something CPU or disk intensive, for example resizing and prettifying pictures, rendering a 3d image, etc. Realize that these days looping a few thousand times is trivial.
4. It's your database

Starting with fault tolerance, speed, unit testing, code abstraction, etc. is starting at the wrong point. 90% of performance problems are at the database level.

What's most likely wrong with performance in a webapp:

  1. No/bad indexes/missing foreign keys on your db
2. Stupid joins
3. You're doing stupidly complicated things in an ORM
4. You're doing complicated things in the DB instead of loading a large chunk into memory and doing calculations or aggregations in code. Simple DB queries are a lot faster than you think they are. Complicated ones are a lot longer than you think they'll be. There are weird gotchas in DBs like using a function in a where or select clause will cause a massive performance hit.
5. You're not caching into memory or something like memcached things that changes infrequently but are queried regularly. Memcached is actually overkill most of the time. Actually think about how much memory storing X would take compared to how much memory your machine has. Be surprised at how insignificant it is these days.
6. 1-5 are especially true if you're using Mysql - It's great and all, but all the other big DBs piss all over it for out of the box performance. You have to give it some love. I expect some dissent here. They're wrong. MS SQL is a shit ton better at handling a poorly designed db/db queries out of the box than mysql. I can't stress this enough.

tl;dr Start looking at your database performance before anything else.

pbh 1 day ago 1 reply      
I'm not an expert, but this is what I've cobbled together as a fellow Ruby/Rails startup person.

Fault Tolerance: Just use Heroku. We've seen maybe an hour of downtime in a few months?

Speed (and fault tolerance): Cache everything you can, assets on S3/CF.

Testing: Rails Test Prescriptions by Noel Rappin
[http://pragprog.com/book/nrtest/rails-test-prescriptions]. Then you can choose what you like, but I like Test::Unit, Mocha, FactoryGirl.

Code Abstraction: Rails is already pretty sensibly organized, and if MVC + tests + static assets is not a good fit for your webapp, you really should not be using it in the first place. One minor point: Noel and others will tell you to use skinny controllers.

Curious what other people consider best practice for Ruby/Rails startups.

nfm 1 day ago 0 replies      
From a performance point of view: test and measure! Find the worst bottleneck, and reduce it. Rinse and repeat.

NewRelic is a great tool to help you do this.

Common performance problems to look out for in Rails are:

* Missing database indexes

* Long running code (eg PDF generation, file uploads to a third party) that should be put in a job queue

* Innocent looking ActiveRecord calls that use N+1 queries or fetch way too much from the DB and the result set is further reduced in Ruby

bricestacey 1 day ago 1 reply      
I've heard good things about New Relic for performance testing.

MiniTest, which is built into ruby 1.9 has a full suite including performance tests. It's really cool because you can measure e.g. whether an algorithm scales linearly or not.

guard-of-terra 1 day ago 0 replies      
You can read on various massively scalable webapps architecture. http://highscalability.com/ seems to aggregate those, and you can find articles and slides published by the developers of more services if you do some googling.

The key to speed and load tolerance is massive multilevel caching; every service does caching differently but they all do.

rprime 1 day ago 1 reply      
A quick tip would be to run everything process intensive in the backend, don't waste frontend resources with API calls, data processing etc, got something that takes more than 200ms to run, place it in a job que and do the processing later.

Some tools for the job:

Also don't forget to cache. You shouldn't worry too much if you do these two properly.

etothep 1 day ago 0 replies      
Pick up Release IT (http://amzn.com/0978739213) from the Pragmatic guys. While many of the examples and stories are based on Java webapps there is something in there regardless of which platform you are building atop.

Oh, and don't ever establish a blocking connection without a timeout or some other mechanism to abort it.

Ask HN: Laptop similar to MacBook Pro in term of design
5 points by eswiac  21 hours ago   13 comments top 5
haesken 1 hour ago 0 replies      
I'm in a similar situation, I'm replacing a Macbook4,1. I don't want to deal with EFI/refit/GPT/etc anymore. As far as 13' laptops go the ASUS U36SD-A1 is the most attractive to me, but I think I'm going to end up getting a SAGER NP5165 because I can get more power for the same price. The HP Envy series also looks pretty good, if you can find them for a decent price.
pavel_lishin 21 hours ago 2 replies      
Can't answer your question, but why don't you want to install Linux directly onto the MBP?
michaelpinto 21 hours ago 0 replies      
I don't know if they'll be around for long " but what about the HP Envy laptop? The industrial design is very similar:

PS I'm pretty sure that Apple has a patent on magsafe, so nobody else will have that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagSafe

27182818284 21 hours ago 1 reply      
Maybe something from System76, but that is the best I can think of.
qx24b 20 hours ago 1 reply      
I have a Samsung qx410 which is somewhat similarly built and has a great keyboard but absolutely sucks for linux in the touchpad department.

I think you should look at thinkpads, even though they might not meet your specifications they usually work much better with linux than other brands and are usually well built.

Ask HN: What do people do with the code from failed startups?
39 points by bobbywilson0  2 days ago   26 comments top 12
joshfraser 2 days ago 2 replies      
My company EventVue failed. We tried to sell the code, but didn't get any serious offers. We'd raised 500k in funding so any money we gained from a sale would have gone straight to repaying our investors. I would have loved to have been able to do that just for the long-term goodwill, but financially I didn't have any incentive to work on finding a buyer. The chances of us selling for greater than 500k after the team left quickly approached zero. Good startup founders are usually quickly picked up by other companies or launch into another gig of their own. For me, it was a hard decision to pull the plug on EventVue, but once I did, I wanted to move on as quickly as possible. Wrapping up the last pieces of EventVue was painful enough.

The code still lives on my laptop and I reference pieces from time to time. I would have open-sourced it, but it included a lot of expectations about how the infrastructure was set up and would have taken a ton of time to generalize or properly document. The demand obviously wasn't there or else we wouldn't have gone out of business.

So there she lies. ~100,000 lines of code and 3 years of my life. May she RIP.

bdr 2 days ago 0 replies      
I got permission to open source the first startup I worked for: http://andrewbadr.com/log/8/flowgramcom-open-source-release/

It would be a pleasant surprise if anyone got it running.

mvanveen 2 days ago 0 replies      
Open sourcing is always a good option.

Etherpad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EtherPad) got sold to Google and the code was subsequently open sourced. It's since launched a number of hosting sites providing collaborative editing services. The source code lives on, there's even a node.js port available with a much smaller footprint (see Etherpad Lite (https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite).

Another good example is Mozilla. When Netscape crashed and burned Mozilla somehow managed to come out of the ashes.

speby 2 days ago 0 replies      
Kind of depends on what code you're talking about. Some "failed" startups may have valuable code that can be sold or licensed out, even if it ends being somewhat of a firesale. Others may tuck it away on a backup or project folder and never revisit it or only pluck away some useful bits here or there. Others may use it as a template for a completely different business just to "get an app up and running" if what they had prior had some similar pieces.

Finally, some may decide to open source some or all of the code. As was mentioned, it's hard for others to use it, though, since it is rarely the case that a startup's codebase is going to be pretty and easy to get going and using, versus some nicely structure, re-usable OSS library.

brackin 2 days ago 1 reply      
If the startup isn't costing you a lot it may be best it leave it running. It'll give you more credibility as if someone says "I Made X and failed" yet there's just an expired domain at X you've basically scrubbed out the past and your work.

There's other sides to this as you won't want an ugly broken site up connected to your name. Case by case basis really.

There isn't a whole lot you could do with the code, i'd just say for most open source it and leave it quietly running, if feasible.

Joakal 2 days ago 1 reply      
I've attempted to make my code as OO possible. This means I can actually reuse it later on other projects. Authentication, ORM, etc.

Everyone should release configurations at least. You can easily release those and those who say you can't either have really bad configuration or too lazy.

MrMike 2 days ago 2 replies      
I typically tar it up and store it somewhere safe. On occasion, I'll work on a new project that could use a piece of code I know I've got stored away. Other times, it's something I stumble upon years later and laugh at myself for my coding style & quality, which continues to improve. "Omg I can't believe I tried to solve X that way... wow..."

I've seen a few people open source their code for failed projects. Hadn't really thought about that, but it's something I'll keep in mind should I have an interesting, failed project.

stickfigure 2 days ago 0 replies      
One of the big advantages of deploying on Google App Engine is that it just keeps running by itself, and usually for pretty cheap. Just let it run as a living portfolio.
ghostganz 2 days ago 0 replies      
A few of my old colleagues bought the code from our bankrupt employer and made a second attempt at creating a business with it. They did better than the original owners, but not much.

In all other cases I've come into contact with the code just dies. Open sourcing would be nice, but that's obviously not a priority in a bankrupcy.

no-go-mojo 2 days ago 1 reply      
Yeah, the Justin.TV guys did for $250k on Ebay.
jfeldstein2 2 days ago 0 replies      
Make sure you learned from it while you were writing it. Then it never completely goes away.
p4wnc6 2 days ago 1 reply      
It is donated to starving orphans.
Ask HN: OSX App Developer
2 points by codilechasseur  15 hours ago   2 comments top 2
mcritz 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Google for "Cocoaheads". If you live in San Francisco, hang out at NSCoders.

Go to hackathons, often you'll meet Objective-C devs.

Find an indie Mac developer whose products you like and pitch the idea to him or her.

mbenjaminsmith 4 hours ago 0 replies      
How should devs get in contact with you?
Ask HN: HIPAA compliance?
5 points by justinph  1 day ago   2 comments top 2
JangoSteve 1 day ago 0 replies      
I have helped build a HIPPA-compliant startup before. This particular startup was one which helped doctor's offices do automated scheduled appointment reminders. There is a lot to consider, but I wouldn't have called it "daunting". In fact, a lot of it that you should really consider doing anyway, if you're going to have any sort of sensitive data stored.

For one, you won't want to host the app on a standard VPS or cloud service. You'll either want a well-locked-down dedicated server, or to go with a hosting company that specializes in secure servers. We used http://www.secure-24.com/ for the web app I built. It was a huge pain in the ass, as we had to get special permission from the host everytime we wanted to install a ruby gem, and it usually took them at least an hour to get back to us.

Of course, you'll also want to make the entire site encrypted (a good practice anyway for any site with a login), and keep the database well locked-down.

The most difficult part for this app, though, was re-thinking some of the most common practices in web apps, such as the password reset. HIPPA-compliance says that, for example, a 16-year-old girl going to the gynecologist has a right to privacy from her parents, such that they should be able to know nothing about it. But some families monitor their children's email. So, if the girl belongs to a doctor's office, and they tell her to go to the site to manage her appointments, but then she forgets her password, we can't just automatically send the password reset to her email.

Likewise, be careful of things like what the failed login message says. If it indicates that the email does indeed exist, but that the password is wrong, that's not good, as it gives the user (who may or may not own that email address) some info about the person who owns that email: that they do have an account on your site.

One other thing is, you have to have a unique identifier for each person, a really unique identifier. At first, we were going to go with social security number, but you'd be surprised how un-unique that actually is. Aside from the fact that a lot of people in the US don't have an SSN, there are also duplicates from illegal immigrants and other people who obtained their number by some illegal means. I don't recall where, but there was some study done that showed that cell-phone number is much closer to being able to identify people 1:1 than SSN in the US.

Anyway, those are the things I can remember off the top of my head, it was a few years ago. I hope it helps. Just whatever you do, don't make it harder than it is, and skimp on any of the rules, this stuff is important and exists for a reason.

privacyguru 1 day ago 0 replies      
Justin, dealing with HIPAA can be daunting, especially when it's not your primary function in terms of dealing with security and compliance issues that are constantly changing. There are a few companies that can help ensure your app is HIPAA compliant. There are also hosting providers like Firehost that offer HIPAA compliance ready hosting that may help as well. http://www.firehost.com/secure-hosting/hipaa
Ask HN: Podcast for for hackers
2 points by seymores  13 hours ago   2 comments top
taybenlor 12 hours ago 1 reply      
I've heard good things about the Forrst Podcast:


Very web-centric.

Ask HN: Is this a shady recruiter?
5 points by richpalmer2  19 hours ago   8 comments top 4
KevBurnsJr 7 hours ago 1 reply      
More than likely, the business is unhappy with the terms of the recruiter's agreement. These guys will do all sorts of things with contractors like add a 30% commission on top of your hourly fee and bake in a clause entitling the recuiter to a bonus equal to 20% of your salary if the company decides to hire you full time.

You will probably not be offered this position any way except through the recruiter.

My advice is to continue your search, and only work with embedded recruiters who are paid hourly or salary for their services. These recruiters will have corporate email addresses matching the companies they represent.

VuongN 6 hours ago 1 reply      
For situations like this, email the hiring company (not the recruiters--you should have your interviewers' info anyway) and in the nicest way possible "withdraw" your application citing the reasons:

1) You had other opportunities that needed quicker answer and multiple attempts at communications with the recruiter were not very transparent and thus you needed to move on and pursue another opportunity. Cite the appropriate dates you made the attempt at connecting with the recruiter.

2) Thank them for the opportunity and wish them well. Here's the kicker: you also CC the recruiter and his manager :)

This is probably the nicest and most professional "flip-the-bird" to the recruiter that treated you badly. I know it might be a bit petty, but if you just withdraw your application with the recruiters, he/she might give the hiring company the impression that you were just flaky and pull out at the last minute. People do talk, especially when you're doing contracts. You have to look out for yourself first and if the recruiter is any good, he would be doing everything he can to take care of you.

Still, if the start date is only the issue and everything was signed already--would it be fair for you to contact the company directly and ask them what's up before you withdraw your application?

johnnyg 19 hours ago 1 reply      
This is not how it works. Cut ties and try another recruiter or add your name to the HN contractors list and see what shakes out. Here that link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlD_6iEb8Ed9dGs..., etc.

Also, I've had good experiences with Curtis.Weigel@CyberCoders.com.

petervandijck 19 hours ago 0 replies      
Yes, this is shady.
Why Google can't search for words prefixed with '--'?
2 points by ronbeltran  14 hours ago   2 comments top 2
Argorak 11 hours ago 0 replies      
It can. Try to quote the term:


(with quotes)

will yield results.

saiko-chriskun 13 hours ago 0 replies      
if you prefix anything with a dash google takes that keyword out of search queries, for the most part.

so if I wanted to search for computer stuff, but nothing to do with windows, I'd type in: "computers -windows"

Windows 8 Metro UI can only launch IE (not chrome, Firefox, etc)
5 points by giberson  1 day ago   7 comments top 4
steverb 22 hours ago 1 reply      
No. I already have a Chrome tile and didn't have to anything special to make it happen. It showed up when I installed Chrome: http://imgur.com/xhnDi

I believe what this is saying is that Metro Apps cannot launch non-metro executables.

Random615 1 day ago 1 reply      
It just means Firefox and Chrome have to make a Metro app. No biggy.

I just hate that you're making a big deal out of it.

pedrokost 1 day ago 1 reply      
Nor can ChromeBooks run Trident or Gekko.
pedalpete 1 day ago 0 replies      
Obviously Microsoft is taking a page out of Apple's book, but this is going to far. Micrsoft needs to recognize it's long-term strength has always been the open(ish)ness of their platform.

Hopefully they recognize the error of their ways and make the app store the best place to get apps, not the only one.

I don't necessarily have a problem with using IE, if IE10 is a decent browser, most people would have no reason to change as the numbers of IE6 has proven over time. If the majority of users aren't going to install another browser anyway, why lock down those who will?

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