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There is a Horse in the Apple Store (frankchimero.com)
110 points by blasdel 4 hours ago   36 comments 12 top all
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9 points by _delirium 2 hours ago 3 replies      
For me personally, some of the not-being-that-excited-ness is that I grew up reading sci-fi and cyberpunk, and basically always assumed these things were possible and likely, just a matter of implementation details. A device that can translate any language at a button-push? Sure, I heard about it when I was eight. A device you carry around that instantly connects to some sort of communication network? Yeah, I've probably read about a dozen takes on those. Etc.

Weirdly, actually having it doesn't seem to make a huge difference to me. The idea of something like a smartphone was pretty exciting when I read about it in the 1980s, and it was interesting to follow early PDA forays like the Newton. But now that they exist and work well, I haven't even gotten around to buying one yet; by the time reality caught up, it wasn't that exciting anymore.

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22 points by chaosmachine 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Wow, I wasn't expecting an actual horse. I thought for sure this was some kind of Trojan Horse metaphor about Ping and the iTunes store...
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14 points by ugh 3 hours ago 3 replies      
I know it’s not the topic of the submission but I would have very much liked to get an explanation. Is it maybe a guide horse? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guide_horse
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0 points by ComputerGuru 23 minutes ago 0 replies      
A black president, whose father is from Kenya and mother is from Kansas, being elected President of the United States is a tiny pony.

No it's not. Everything else he mentioned is humans using their brilliance and innovation to work around a huge obstacle. To make something incredible happen. To make something that wasn't possible, possible.

Every one of those things is something that sci-fi geeks years ago and innovative thinkers centuries ago dreamed and salivated about. But a black president? The only reason it didn't happen before is due to negative attributes of humans. It didn't happen because we suddenly used our positive powers to make it happen - only because we stopped using our negative ones.

That's like comparing a child walking to school in Gaza or Iraq without getting shot or bombed (WHY SHOULD THEY BE IN THE FIRST PLACE, GUYS????? HELLO????) to achieving teleportation, the latter of which is something truly incredible and the former is just sad that we have this problem.

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1 point by ComputerGuru 19 minutes ago 0 replies      
Question: Am I the only one that thought to himself, "I'm a geek and I think I definitely would notice a horse in the Apple Store if I saw one?"
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3 points by famousactress 2 hours ago 0 replies      
That article brought me more enjoyment-per-paragraph than just about anything in a while. I do wish the photo was revealed somewhere in the middle of the post though. I shared it with my wife that way, and it really has a pretty profound affect to wonder if it's just a metaphor for the first half-dozen paragraphs.
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9 points by alexophile 3 hours ago 2 replies      
I really like the observations his niece makes, specifically “When I play hide and seek with my friends I have to hide, but if I don’t want to be seen by grown-ups I just have to be quiet.”
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2 points by faramarz 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Great narrative! The picture wouldn't have been the same without it.

This is probably explained by the Change blindness phenomenon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change_blindness

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2 points by sbaqai 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Great article. The author coins the term "tiny pony" to describe the tendency of becoming acclimated to certain exceptional things. ie: There's a pony in the apple store and no one seems to care. Because its always there..

Maybe its because we're so focused on ourselves? I still have a regular brick-type cell phone. So its a lot of fun for me to play with an iPhone or iPad whenever I'm at the store, or when my friends let me play with theirs. I always get an urge to buy one - it could totally make my life better (especially mobile internet).

But if I buy it, I know the magic will go away. It's particular exceptional-ness will become an expectation, and even a frustration when it doesn't work correctly. And after a certain period, I'd likely refer to it as just another brick-type object, compared with whatever relatively exceptional technology is out then.

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1 point by piramida 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Technically, it is not a pony but a falabella horse which is a miniature horse originating from Latin America. I know that it is somewhat irrelevant :) But many people have them as pets.
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0 points by mkramlich 2 hours ago 0 replies      
What I don't--- OMG PONIES!

In all seriousness, it may be a trained assistance pet for the blind.

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0 points by alttab 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Displaced "viral marketing?"
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Craigslist Censored: Adult Section Comes Down (techcrunch.com)
22 points by jswinghammer 1 hour ago   6 comments 2 top all
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8 points by jsz0 25 minutes ago 4 replies      
I bet most of the people freaking out about CL's adult services haven't considered that censorship usually leads to an increased demand. They're doing an excellent job advertising to the world that you can easily buy sex online. If they really wanted to help people they'd be advocating a safe highly regulated adult services industry that satisfies the demand while eliminating most of the ugly side effects of prohibition. They completely reject this idea so it seems obvious to me their agenda is more about moral pontificating than helping people or they truly have no understanding of how the real world works.
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1 point by derefr 3 minutes ago 0 replies      
In case you're wondering: this only affects Craigslist users in the U.S. It's fine here in Canada, for example.
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Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?" (seattlepi.com)
265 points by paolomaffei 14 hours ago   173 comments 21 top all
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74 points by mrshoe 12 hours ago replies      
If Gates had maintained a dictatorial death grip on his company like Steve Jobs has, MS probably could have made some decent products.

It's one thing to yell at the people who made this system via email. It's quite another to never allow them to ship it in the first place.

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16 points by philwelch 12 hours ago 0 replies      
I've seen this before, but it's worth a read again. Gates said when this first came out that writing emails like this was pretty much his job. He's not the only one--from the stories you read, it sounds like half of Steve Jobs' job is to be a good critic. Of course, Apple doesn't release much until after Steve Jobs criticizes it.
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14 points by muhfuhkuh 12 hours ago replies      
Seriously though, is all of this fixed in Windows 7, or are people just hyping that up because it sucks alot less than any previous Windows iterations?

I don't think I've _ever_ seen a process that convoluted, and I've been using Linux OSes since _before_ the advent of dependency-resolvers like yum and apt (i.e, the bad old days of "RPM hell").

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21 points by RyanMcGreal 12 hours ago 2 replies      
The fact that Gates regularly attempted to eat Microsoft's dog food (alas he couldn't get the can open in this case) is encouraging; but ultimately it doesn't seem to have helped much.
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11 points by benbeltran 12 hours ago 0 replies      
This made me think a bit about Bill Gates and Microsoft and Everything. People really hate on Bill Gates because of Microsoft and their products, but after seeing this email you get to see that he's as angry as any other user, and even more because he knows all of this will fall back to him. His email portrays not only anger, but some kind of impotence. It's impressive how big companies lose touch with what they're doing. Most software I use lately comes from small companies, they have this dedication and attention to detail that only comes from when you're directly involved with your product. Business is a weird world.
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30 points by Hexstream 12 hours ago 1 reply      
"So they told me that using the download page to download something was not something they anticipated."
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5 points by moultano 12 hours ago 0 replies      
This is a great reminder (to me) that software UI should be designed around how many pieces of information it needs from the user, not how many things it needs to do.
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9 points by oihuyjfrgtdfghj 12 hours ago 3 replies      
I tried to download it - their new simple solution is to include it as part of Windows Live.

So I want a simple movie editor to clip 5secs off the beginning of a home movie - BUT to do this I have to sign up for an MS specific hotmail account, create a windows passport (I thought they had abandoned that?) get Windows messenger, windows photo viewer and be included in a whole bunch of MS specific social websites.

So I found a torrent of Movie maker 2.6 for XP - it works perfectly on Win7.

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3 points by jedberg 10 hours ago 1 reply      
I think by far the most telling part of this was this quote:

"Then it told me to reboot my machine. Why should I do that? I reboot every night -- why should I reboot at that time?"

No wonder he has no idea how horrible Windows is. He resets it every day.

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2 points by ajg1977 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Although amusing, this is an example of poor management IMO.

It comes across as the sort of email you would write while criticizing/mocking a competitors product that you were powerless to change.

There's no demand for improvement, or accountability for making that happen. No wondering if this small experience is indicative of other problems. He's just "disappointed".

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1 point by c00p3r 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Most of the time you don't need some authority person's opinion to realize that something is a total mess. Your own experience is enough. That is what this email is all about - users will create their own opinion very quickly.

The another example is Java development. Everyone who run Maven2 build process (say to build clojure-contrib) will be amazed by a tons of a strange and useless messages, repeated downloads of what seems the same files (but, different minor version numbers) to unknown location. That process will took something like 10 minutes on 3G connection, while you have absolutely no idea what's going on (OK, I can figure out that it is a process of a recursive downloading and building dependencies, and because people don't care about migration to the latest stable versions, it will download half of internet.)

This alone tells me what is really happening in a Java world better than all Sun's brainwashing altogether. ^_^

btw, sudo apt-get install maven2 downloaded another 70Mb of shit (in case JDK is already installed). 70Mb for a apt+make replacement? Compressed Linux kernel sources are less in size.

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1 point by djacobs 12 hours ago 0 replies      
I remember reading this when it first came out, at a time when I was still on Windows. I remember thinking, "Finally! Microsoft products are bound to improve after a letter like that from Gates."

Two years later, nothing about XP had changed, and I moved to OS X, just in time to avoid Vista...

So, while the letter is, itself, excellent, I'm not sure how much it did to help out Windows in the long run. (Maybe Windows 7 represents a change.)

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1 point by Seth_Kriticos 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Ok, this is kind of old shoe, but let's discuss the Windows usability a bit.

I have to endure some amount of XP and 7 on a regular basis, so I have some understanding on how to work with them (well, mostly how to set up or correct things).

Those that say that Windows 7 is so much better.. well, in some sense. I admittedly has better optics. And it crashes less.

Administrative tasks got more tiresome though, compared to XP you have to wade through more windows to get to a specific configuration point. That gets very irksome if you want to perform some configuration for a dozen PC's. (Enough to make it very repetitive, too little that automation would make much sense, especially considering the abysmal automation tools Windows comes with coughshellcough). Other critical points are software management systems (lack of) and general disability in the usability sector.

Granted, learning to cope with a Linux system is somewhat more challenging, but once you are into it, it's really much less bother to do things, no matter the scale.

Microsoft still has a long way to go just to reach the current status. Maybe they will manage, as they seem to be very apt at keeping the stranglehold on the market.

And I will keep avoiding them as much as I can.

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1 point by jkantro 7 hours ago 0 replies      
After recently working with Microsoft on a project for 8 months all I can say is the way their product team offices are set up is quite bad. The user experience designers and visual designers are sitting hallways down from the developers and program managers. This is not how it should be. All stakeholders in the application design process should be near each other. Open work spaces do wonders for communication and collaboration, which in turn affects product design.
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1 point by paolomaffei 7 hours ago 0 replies      
The first time I read it I was in disbelief. I actually checked if the mail was fake or true, turns out it's true.

The second time I read it I actually laughed.

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2 points by julnepht 11 hours ago 0 replies      
My biggest takeway from this email is to write short paragraph s when writing a long email. Seems pretty simple but I had never thought about this. Write 2-3 lines per paragraph.
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2 points by sdh 12 hours ago 1 reply      
My name is Bill and Windows was my idea.
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0 points by blhack 11 hours ago 0 replies      
The part about him filling in the form on microsoft.com and having it tell him that what he input was invalid is particularly hilarious.
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0 points by famousactress 8 hours ago 0 replies      
So Windows 7 was his idea!

Mystery solved.

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0 points by seamlessvision 11 hours ago 0 replies      
This e-mail has been going around for years now. It's old news.
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-1 point by a1g 5 hours ago 0 replies      
throw windows out the window, use linux, problem solved..play guitar hero with all the spare time...
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Clojure conj registration open (clojure-conj.org)
63 points by briancooley 11 hours ago   4 comments 4 top all
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3 points by briancooley 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Kudos to the organizers for keeping the registration affordable. $199 for the early-bird seems very reasonable. I recall that the goal was to pay for the venue plus a little contingency.
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2 points by mark_l_watson 10 hours ago 0 replies      
That looks like a great conference! I wish I could go, but I'll be out of the country. It would be great to meet everyone.
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1 point by d0m 3 hours ago 0 replies      
So far, so sad. Google maps says 15 hours and 9 minutes of traveling. I hope videos will be available.
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0 points by swah 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Learn with Node and do a ClojureKnockout?
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Let's just say it: 3D TV is a joke. (technologizer.com)
32 points by technologizer 6 hours ago   34 comments 19 top all
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5 points by WilliamLP 1 hour ago 1 reply      
I think like many other nascent entertainment technologies, the first really profitable use cases for this could be porn and gaming.
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3 points by noonespecial 3 hours ago 0 replies      
3D's just fine. I'm sure it'll sell a bunch of TV's the same way printing 'MEGA-BASS" on boomboxes and hooking the crossover to a little switch sold those in the 80's.

They can have their 3d. Just please, please don't make the 2d experience worse in order to shoehorn this nonsense into what should just be passive wall monitors. If there must be 3d on most tvs, please provide an easy way to turn it off.

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1 point by danilocampos 25 minutes ago 0 replies      
Let's all hope that 3D television with expensive, goofy spectacles is to 2010 what Laserdisc was to the 80's.
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5 points by kevinh 3 hours ago 2 replies      
I thought the iPad was a joke, and by all accounts it seems to be a success, so I'm wary of judging a product's future success based on my own personal opinions.
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3 points by dkokelley 3 hours ago 0 replies      
The problem with 3D TV adoption:

  -Lack of 3D content
-Lack of 3D TV standards - which causes the previous problem.
-Increased cost
-Decreased 2D quality
-Extra equipment required for some implementations

If 3D TV had a single standard that content producers could use to create their 3D content, and if consumers could watch it on TVs that required no extra equipment, and if the vast majority of 2D content still looked good on 3D displays, AND if the cost is not prohibitive, then 3D TV will have a shot at thriving in the market. As it stands right now, I think the best application for 3D displays is in specialized research and design, and limited consumer experiences (Avatar, shows at Disneyland, etc.).

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2 points by b3b0p 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Peoples expectations for 3D TV is a bit higher than some illusion produced by wearing some glasses staring directly at the correct angle at a flat screen.

I'll look at 3D TV when it is similar to a Star Wars 3D hologram. I don't think I'm alone. No one wants to pay extra for glasses and watch a faux 3D illusion.

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2 points by sprout 2 hours ago 0 replies      
The real problem with 3D video is that it requires a lot of production work to get right. You can't just record in 3D and expect it to work. You have to carefully manage focal length. And when it comes right down to it, it only adds things to carefully crafted shots like the bioluminescent plants in Avatar, or the birds flying through hallelujah mountains.

And the fact is 90% of television doesn't have visuals that are going to benefit from that. The remaining 10%, few people will miss it when it's gone. There just isn't a huge value proposition for most styles of video, and there's not a clear case that 3D video is a superior art form to 2D, it just costs more and takes more production time.

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1 point by afterburner 46 minutes ago 0 replies      
The author mentions blurriness and ghosting; I must say, with the Sony and Panasonic demos in stores, I noticed no such problems. And it would be pretty nice for games. The glasses and lack of content are a real drawback, though.
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8 points by jschuur 3 hours ago 1 reply      
I have a lazy eye, so 3D doesn't work on me, so I upvoted this on principle.

I refuse to bow down to my stereoscopic overlords.

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1 point by est 2 hours ago 0 replies      
The so called 3D TV on today's market is really 2D x 2. Sometimes it's even 3D for one spot, one person only.

I guess real 3D, or holographic TV could be rotated at any POV like in-game cameras.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1127195

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1 point by DannoHung 2 hours ago 0 replies      
I dunno, I think three dimensional video is an exciting medium once creators get over the novelty factor. It's going to be quite popular once the technology for glasses free displays are in homes.
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1 point by andrewcamel 2 hours ago 0 replies      
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11178043

I'm skeptical just like this reporter, but at the same time, I would really like to see 3D more widely available.

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1 point by dusing 2 hours ago 0 replies      
We just finished our first 3D commercial production (airs on ESPN3D this weekend) and it felt a little hoakey the whole time, but damned if it didn't look really cool in the end. I hope someone enjoys it cause I'm not buying one.
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1 point by mprovost 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Sports is the thing that's going to sell 3D TVs and there's no mention of it in the article. The broadcasters are investing a lot in their live sports 3D tech and it looks good.
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2 points by olegkikin 3 hours ago 1 reply      
3D is the future. Even if these first attempts aren't perfect, we will get there.
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0 points by aaronmoodie 2 hours ago 1 reply      
hi guys, first post here.

As it stands now, 3D tv is going to be a flash in the pan. Advancements in tech is about making things easier, not more difficult/annoying to use.

Having to wear ($200) glasses to watch tv takes all the ease out of it, and as silencio mentioned, is pointless when watching a movie/game with friends.

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1 point by pontifier 45 minutes ago 0 replies      
Some 3D is admittedly bad. Some is terrible, such as when someone incorrectly swaps the L and R images. But when 3D is done right you aren't looking at a screen any more. For me at least, with 3D games, what I have instead is a window to another world, a window that things can come through. A window that makes me feel like a giant with little people playthings that jump at my command... plus playing a tomb raider game in 3D is just awesome.
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-3 points by petervandijck 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Amen.
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-1 point by nazgulnarsil 4 hours ago 1 reply      
This argument only holds true if people buy TV's to watch stuff on them. TV's aren't about watching stuff. At least they aren't only about watching stuff.
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ZeroMQ: Modern & Fast Networking Stack (igvita.com)
68 points by igrigorik 13 hours ago   18 comments 5 top all
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4 points by mahmud 11 hours ago 2 replies      
ZeroMQ is quickly becoming an even bigger hammer in the premature optimization planet of Newbo-Thumbia.

Edit:

1) It's a networking library; no admin tools or other soft handle-bars, like user-space utilities.

2) It uses a binary protocol. Good luck debugging that with syslog.

It's a very powerful tool in the hands of a capable systems architect, who actually needs it. For the rest, it's pretty much like an adult male tiger; excellent to watch in its natural habitat from a safe distance, terrible pet idea for you and your fiancee (and not because you live in a studio apartment.)

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9 points by ekidd 11 hours ago 1 reply      
I've played with ZeroMQ on some small projects, and I've been quite impressed by it. Basically, ZeroMQ was designed to send millions of small, mostly-asynchronous messages at extremely high speeds. If you feed it messages very rapidly, it sends the first message immediately, and queues the rest in userspace until (IIRC) the network card is ready to transmit another packet. Then it sends all the queued messages as a batch. So you get both high throughput and low latency.

There's some built-in support for common topologies (client/server, publish/subscribe, pipeline), and if you're willing to use the undocumented XREQ/XREP socket types, you can build more exotic topologies.

Most of the value in ZeroMQ is the actual C++ implementation, so other languages generally just wrap the C++ code. The zeromq API is tiny.

I haven't used it on a big production project yet, but I hope to do that soon.

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4 points by j_baker 11 hours ago 0 replies      
"Wouldn't it be nice if we could abstract some of the low-level details of different socket types, connection handling, framing, or even routing?"

Perhaps I'm missing something, but wouldn't this make ZeroMQ a Modern & Fast abstraction of a Networking Stack?

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8 points by eps 12 hours ago 2 replies      
Yup. I'm sure every network programmer who's worth his salt has a version of stackable abstraction layers library that runs of epoll or a variation thereof, and supports various transports from plain IP through domain sockets and to exotics like TLS over ICMP. It's like a rite of passage into the circle of network programming enlightenment :)
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1 point by simplegeek 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Good article. Please consider changing the font-type and increasing the font-size.
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Node.js Knockout Winners are ... (nodeknockout.posterous.com)
54 points by daleharvey 12 hours ago   10 comments 4 top all
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5 points by credo 10 hours ago 4 replies      
Congrats to Swarmation

I'm curious on as to what other developers think of these contests. Yesterday, I got several emails and saw several tweets suggesting that I vote for a local startup. They pulled in a lot of votes and seemed to be leading at one point.

I'm assuming that several other contestants also benefited from similar voting campaigns.

I didn't look at any of the entries and I generally wouldn't take part in these contests. However, I'm curious to know whether other HNers look at these things as (a) sham contests, or as (b) real contests where the best product wins or as (c) contests that are a legitimate test of marketing skills or (d) just a harmless fun activity

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2 points by ugh 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Congratulations! Swarmation [1] certainly is a deserved winner. The solo winner is also awesome [2].

[1] http://swarmation.com/

[2] http://rallarpojken.no.de/

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6 points by jmcnevin 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Swarmation: AKA "You IDIOTS, move over HERE!"

Not that it isn't fun. :)

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1 point by drtse4 9 hours ago 0 replies      
The Umeboshi Server (http://umeboshi-fireteam.no.de/) is quite interesting, nice idea.
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Ask HN: Contract/Consulting Gigs (September 2010)?
19 points by kmg 3 hours ago   3 comments 3 top all
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1 point by jsolson 22 minutes ago 0 replies      
I'm an iOS developer in Atlanta, GA (although I'm telecommute friendly) who'd be very happy to pick up some contract work.

Since I never miss an opportunity for a plug and it basically serves as the most meaningful credential in this business, my company has one serious product in the store: http://ballisticpigeon.com/folio. I've been doing iOS development since the day the SDK was released (personal projects while I finished up graduate school then proof-of-concept contract work for a startup).

For now I'm hoping to finance my little entrepreneurial endeavor some interestingly hourly projects.

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1 point by pjy04 28 minutes ago 0 replies      
If anyone is located in the Santa Monica/Los Angeles area and can do some front end html/css some php on wordpress, email me. I got a couple of projects coming up that might need your services. If you have any links to your projects that will help me a lot to see your skillset.

Thanks

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-4 points by huhtenberg 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Flagged.
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Google's privacy policy changes happening in October (google.com)
55 points by abraham 13 hours ago   26 comments 6 top all
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31 points by sabat 12 hours ago 5 replies      
I like the fact that they do the diff format. This sentence is now crossed out, and I find that a little frightening:

At Google we recognize that privacy is important.

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22 points by enomar 12 hours ago 1 reply      
Gotta love that they provided a diff instead of just updating it and saying it's been updated.
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6 points by adulau 10 hours ago 1 reply      
If you want to see a complete evolution of the privacy policies, you can use http://www.goodiff.org/ . For example, the privacy faq of Google:

http://www.goodiff.org/changeset/587/google/www.google.com/p...

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4 points by Andrew_Quentin 11 hours ago 0 replies      
It seems that the only perhaps significant difference is apparently the crossing out of the words which state in so many words that google will use the date only for the purposes allowed under this privacy policy and no other purpose.

Edit: Indeed after reading the plain version the words seem, and apparently above are not really necessary. The change might not be entirely significant, but it might in many ways be compared to the principle that the government can do only what is authorised to under the law while citizens can do anything that is not prohibited by the law.

Whether it is significant that google has chosen to move from the former to the later I am not certain. They surely have the right to, they are not a government, but it is a significant change, rather than just trimming.

Thus, unlike previously, they do not need to adhere to their privacy policy. They might therefore be free to, well I do not know, we will find out soon.

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4 points by andrewgioia 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I never realized that Google Dashboard existed until reading this (https://www.google.com/dashboard/). It's nice to be able to access all of the services/settings in one page, and a little frightening to see how much I really use Google and how much information I have stored there...
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1 point by indiejade 9 hours ago 0 replies      
October 3rd? This is either a typo or perhaps this new privacy policy thing is not in effect until a month from today? "Last modification" date is a little misleading if the latter is true; the policy could have some sort of language regarding "effective as of DD_MM_YYYY" to be more clear.
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Author Simon Singh Puts Up a Fight in the War on Science (wired.com)
97 points by zeynel1 18 hours ago   63 comments 11 top all
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8 points by zeteo 14 hours ago 3 replies      
'You have to decide who you trust before you decide what to believe.'

Right. The difference lies in the way that trust is achieved. The "I trust X because Y trusts X" transitivity is very easy to jump on, but often disastrous; just ask Bernie Madoff's investors. If you read in the newspaper that "X is one of the foremost scientists in his field", it is also dangerous to rely on just this pronouncement, and blindly trust X's assertions.

The other way for the layperson to judge specialists is to learn enough about their field in order to evaluate their predictions. Granted, this involves much, much more effort than lazily following the reputation talk. But it also makes it much safer to trust the people involved, and to maybe stop trusting them if they go astray at some point.

To bring forth examples, evolution is quite easy to verify after reading a bit of biology. For example, DNA analysis comes in a full century after the "Origin of Species" and shows us how amazingly related all living things are, deep within; thus giving precise shapes to the "trees of life" that Darwin first sketched in his notebooks. And there are many, many other predictions of the theory of evolution that can be easily checked by the unprejudiced amateur. You'll rarely find articles that say "Dawkins believes in evolution, and Dawkins is a great scientist, therefore evolution is true".

On the other hand, things like climate science seem (to me at least) to rely much more on the argument from authority for gaining lay support. If some prominent climate scientist had predicted in the 90's that "average temperature in the 2000-2010 decade, as indicated by methodology X, will be 1.4 plus or minus 0.1 degrees Celsius warmer than in the 1990s", I would have a much easier time trusting his or her claims now. But things seem to be moving in the opposite direction with this field, e.g. as witnessed by the very replacement of "global warming" (somewhat verifiable) with "climate change" (unfalsifiable), and the popular attribution of all kinds of meteorological phenomena to this cause, in the same non-comprehending way that, not so long ago, they were ascribed to the god of thunder.

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7 points by SandB0x 16 hours ago 1 reply      
Ben Goldacre is another good scientific crusader. It's worth reading his book Bad Science for his rants against the ridiculous poop-inspecting TV nutritionist "Dr" Gillian McKeith, and the more serious issue of quack medicine and its propaganda war against HIV/AIDS medication in South Africa.

Here's a taster, from his Guardian column: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/feb/03/badscience.ukn...

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5 points by alexandros 15 hours ago 1 reply      
I fear that as the scientifically correct action keeps getting further and further divorced from the 'common sense' action on any given issue, the two worlds will continue to divide, and as the distance increases, science will get harder and harder to follow.

The bridging has to be done by cultural evolution, so that the prejudices that form by 18 are not as counter-science as they are now, but even so, they cannot be adapted to future science when it's not yet in existence.

So we need a culture based on constant learning and adapting our views to evidence. Based on the amount of cognitive bias we have built-in, the 'uncoolness' of rationality, and the speed of scientific progress, I'm not hopeful save for deep de-biasing interventions on our hardware.

Let's see what 'anti-' movement that's going to raise.

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9 points by ErrantX 16 hours ago 2 replies      
Singh has, I think, won the first battle in two very long wars.

The first is, of course, the science one. The other being our idiotic libel laws.

From this it's clear he's very switched on too (well, that was probably not in doubt but still). This, in particular, is an important point we face:

''Scientists aren’t necessarily good communicators, because they aren’t trained to be good communicators. A researcher could be doing really important work on global warming, and then somebody writes a column in a national newspaper that completely undermines what they’re saying.''

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3 points by nanairo 14 hours ago 1 reply      
I think this is one of the most important points:

"That said, they can also find support for their ideas in the mainstream media—because when the mainstream media gives a so-called balanced view, it’s often misleading. The media thinks that because one side says climate change is real and dangerous, the other view is that it’s not real and not dangerous. That doesn’t reflect the fact that something like 98 percent of climate scientists agree that global warming is real and dangerous. And this happens with everything from genetically modified foods to evolution."

It is not just in science. It is in everything, including politics. The (modern) concept of the unbiased view has turned into a "ask both sides of the argument". Which can work when (say) you are in an election campaign. But take a scientist and a charismatic charlatan: the scientist tries to give the right view (with all the ifs and buts) and the charlatan gives a appealing and simple to understand story... though completely wrong. I don't blame the reader/viewer for not being persuaded by the scientist.

The idea that, for example, a group of us could join forces and argue that the oil spill is really a good thing for the biology of the mexican gulf, and we would be given equal time with the guy who's done 10 years of study in it... that does not help the viewer.

The journalist seem to have forgotten their role of gatekeepers, and fact checking. They seem to be just there repeating verbatim what he or she says: sure, it makes their job easier, but it really doesn't help their readership.

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5 points by RyanMcGreal 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Singh is a very talented science writer. The Code Book still ranks as one of the most engaging nonfiction books I've read. He managed to make a history of encryption into something of a gripping page-turner.
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7 points by dean 15 hours ago 0 replies      
Why did Singh have to pay $200,000 of his own money to defend himself? Where was The Guardian in all of this?

Edit: typos.

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1 point by chadmalik 12 hours ago 0 replies      
I think what he is saying make sense. For instance there is a huge mountain of evidence for anthropogenic global warming and the need to cut down our emissions. I'd say on 9/10 things I probably agree with the scientists, with the exception of GMO foods which to me are a really bad idea with potentially catastrophic consequences.

However, I have a problem with laymen needing to sit down and accept whatever scientists say for the simple fact that science is not some pristine incorruptible institution dedicated only to truth. Scientists are PEOPLE and are subject to the same political issues, careerism, bias to not make funders angry, etc. that everyone else is.

Science is subject to a lot of influence from the people holding the purse strings, which are often industry. Take the recent story that came out of Harvard Medical School about how pharma has been influencing the ways that drugs are being prescribed: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2009/jan/15/drug-co... - should we non-scientists not question scientists, physicians, and other "authorities" when this type of thing is happening?

It is a GOOD thing when people question what scientists say. What is needed are better ways for scientists and non-scientists to engage in dialogue, and more often. Believe it ot not there might be a few things scientists can learn from the non-scientists.

I think that a lot of this gets discussed by regular people on broadcast channels (talk radio, cable news) that are really terrible mediums for communicating complex ideas. It would be nice if TV and radio weren't so cluttered with advertising, which makes it almost impossible to do more than make short statements. The exceptions that are good for communiating ideas through broadcast (such as Michio Kaku's radio show) prove the rule by being commercial-free.

Another note, scientists have to understand how political discourse and beliefs work. The domain is NOT based on rational inquiry and peer review. There is no "correct answer" as to whether Social Security should be privatized or if the US should withdraw its troops from Afghanistan. The work of George Lakoff is a must-read on this topic; we form much of our political beliefs based on non-rational moral frameworks that stem from our childhood and our ideas about the family (strict father vs. nurturant parent morality), and mapping our ideas about how the family should work onto the "nation as family" morality.

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1 point by RiderOfGiraffes 16 hours ago 1 reply      
I was chatting with Simon about this a few weeks ago. He's definitely in this for the long haul, but is really looking forward to getting back to writing about science, not libel.
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2 points by cs2010 16 hours ago 1 reply      
"You have to decide who you trust before you decide what to believe."
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-3 points by josefresco 15 hours ago replies      
I know this really wasn't the platform for Simon to defend or assert his views but he certainly does a poor job of it. It seems the interviewer was soft-balling questions simply because he won in court. Blindly trusting scientists because they're perceived experts, have advanced degrees or are in agreement in large numbers has historically been an unreliable way to judge whether or not something is in fact true.

I do agree that the "media" and "common sense" assumptions give more legitimacy to seemingly crazy ideas or counter-ideas. But simply dismissing all opposing viewpoints because they don't fit your scientific model is insane.

I think Simon needs a little more years under his belt (wisdom) and maybe another PhD in history to make him aware of this historically painful fact.

Also, he's a great example of why average people dislike academics. Just being smarter is not enough to convince people. You actually need to listen to them, and learn to communicate with them in order for them to trust you. And isn't that what Simon wants?

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Peak Oil is History (culturechange.org)
18 points by ph0rque 4 hours ago   15 comments 5 top all
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8 points by chipsy 2 hours ago 4 replies      
I let myself get scared a little, as I should with any good peak oil story, and then went looking for an Achilles' Heel.

"Some might also wonder why a shortage of oil should automatically trigger a collapse. It turns out that, in an industrialized economy, a drop in oil consumption precipitates a proportional drop in overall economic activity. Oil is the feedstock used to make the vast majority of transportation fuels -- which are used to move products and deliver services throughout the economy. In the US in particular, there is a very strong correlation between GDP and motor vehicle miles traveled. Thus, the US economy can be said to run on oil, in a rather direct and immediate way: less oil implies a smaller economy. At what point does the economy shrink so much that it can no longer meet its own maintenance requirements? In order to continue functioning, all sorts of infrastructure, plant and equipment must be maintained and replaced in a timely manner, or it stops functioning. Once that point is reached, economic activity becomes constrained not just by the availability of transportation fuels, but also by the availability of serviceable equipment. At some point the economy shrinks so much as to invalidate the financial assumptions on which it is based, making it impossible to continue importing oil on credit. Once that point is reached, the amount of transportation fuels available is no longer limited just by the availability of oil, but also constrained by the inability to finance oil imports."

This is the part which attempts to convince the reader that a simple recession/stagnation cannot occur.

Unfortunately, it vastly underestimates our resourcefulness and runs on the fallacy of the USA only ever being capable of transportation with petroleum, or of a collapse so swift and sudden(from full consumption to zero in a matter of months; an unlikely event, between price hikes, austerity measures, the application of strategic reserves, opening of existing private stocks, etc.) that no response can be made. If it ever becomes too costly to run petroleum-based freighters, we can still revive coal and sail technology. That alone will ensure the survival of ocean-bound transportation(and hence a lot of import-export dependencies). Overland, goods in the USA are transported through the most cost-effective freight system in the world; trucks are "last mile" haulers in most situations. Our existing rail and electric systems can revert to coal for some time to come, although nobody likes the ecological costs involved in coal. And this even leaves open the possibility of refrigerated transit, just not necessarily at present-day schedules.

So the remaining energy problems, as I see them, are in petro-agriculture dependency and infrastructure(primarily in housing stock). Difficult? Yes. Impossible? No. People will die as a result of pretty much any peak oil scenario. A full collapse, though, requires both an overnight cratering of production, and an awful lot of faith in people to do exactly the wrong things.

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10 points by narrator 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Choice 1: Burn lots and lots of coal + Fischer Tropsch + electric vehicles.

Choice 2: Thorium reactors + electric vehicles.

That's about it.

BTW, The "Peak Oil Community" are 5% oil and gas industry people, and 5% energy policy wonk want-to-bes.

The rest are radical environmentalists eagerly anticipating the ecological-Malthusian-doom rapture (see dieoff.org, etc) and are not interested in practical solutions and are just sitting in front of their computers waiting to be raptured up into their ecological-hand-tools-subsistence-agriculture wonderland.

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5 points by blahedo 2 hours ago 1 reply      
Incredibly frustrating that all the figures were thumbnails that are illegible and don't link to a higher-resolution version---and then the text doesn't even fully explain them. Does anyone know which country he's talking about for Fig. 3?
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1 point by patrickgzill 50 minutes ago 0 replies      
I like Orlov, find his writings to be a useful and interesting perspective, however there is much that is inaccurate or that remains unconsidered in this piece.

For instance, the issue of Iraq and Iran, both very undeveloped in terms of wells drilled and the modernity of the infrastructure that runs those wells.

Iraq, for all its recent investment, remains underdeveloped, and Iran has not had access to newer oil tech since 1979.

Further, there is the question of whether we are suffering from an "oil coming out of the ground" problem or "refine the crude oil into something we can actually use" problem.

The bottleneck at this point appears (from my admittedly limited, amateur research) to actually be in total refining capacity.

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0 points by pandakar 1 hour ago 0 replies      
stendahl peak oil romanticism at its best
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I think Twitter’s OAuth-only Access is a Waste of Time (simplechatter.com)
43 points by zmoazeni 11 hours ago   30 comments 14 top all
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11 points by jackowayed 10 hours ago 5 replies      
OAuth is also a huge pain for those "I just want to write a little Twitter API script in 5 minutes" things. To the extent that I've thought about writing a couple lately, but chose not to because I didn't want to deal with OAuth (and they were scripts I'd want to work in the future).

It seems like there should be some solution that lets me use basic auth for those little scripts. Maybe tell Twitter IP's from which I want to be able to use basic auth? It would be a bit of a pain since most people have dynamic IP's, but it would be better than nothing, and it would at least make it simple to run basic auth scripts on my VPS (which obviously has a static IP).

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4 points by ck2 10 hours ago 2 replies      
Twitter's OAuth is a total pain to implement.

If they had just upgraded to OAuth 2.0 like Facebook recently launched, I'd be happy.

Facebook's OAuth can be done in like 10-20 lines of code. Twitter's takes like 100 (in PHP+Curl).

(essentially OAuth 2.0 just relies on https SSL instead of directly encrypting tokens via code before they are sent)

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2 points by paulgb 7 hours ago 3 replies      
I wrote a simple script to post an RSS feed that my university uses to twitter. (Actually, I hacked up Stammy's It currently has about 190 followers, but it used Basic Auth so it stopped working on Thursday.

Rather than switching to OAuth, I'm tempted to just write a mechanize script to make posts using the web interface. Has anybody tried this approach?

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2 points by cmelbye 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This makes me quite annoyed as well. Whenever I've asked Twitter about it, they simply say "The applications still use an OAuth access token to access the API, so it's still a secure authentication option." That's not the problem. The application may have to use the access token to use the API, but there's absolutely nothing stopping them from storing the password in their databases behind the scenes.
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2 points by RossM 10 hours ago 1 reply      
I assume xAuth was put in place for the apps that the user really only accesses directly when they need to change something - things like RSS -> Twitter reposters. In this case an app may not be able to get in touch with a user to inform them they need to authenticate using OAuth. However this could be solved by having the developer email their users to tell them they need to re-authenticate.

Is there an actual reason to use xAuth over OAuth aside from having to put users through the trouble of re-authenticating? You have to have special permission from Twitter to use xAuth but who knows how easily they hand it out.

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1 point by sleight42 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Could it be that Twitter is going the route of Apple? This raises the barrier to entry just enough to keep out developers who are just goofing around.

Otherwise, no, I don't see it. I know that I'm less inclined to write a little hack to work with Twitter without basic auth.

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1 point by danhak 8 hours ago 1 reply      
I'll grant you that xAuth is a little convoluted. With that said, Twitter deserves credit for being unprecedentedly accommodating and transparent during the transition away from basic auth. It is obviously in their best interest not to break applications, but this hasn't stopped other social networks cough from yanking the rug from underneath scores of apps with little to no warning.
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1 point by dlsspy 4 hours ago 0 replies      
I have a non-web, non-desktop based twitter app with a couple thousand users and just haven't had the time available to figure out how to get it doing newAuth.

xAuth seems like it'd work, but, as stated in the article, that involves me going through some hoops to get back to this level of security. woo.

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1 point by MichaelApproved 8 hours ago 1 reply      
Its not just password security. A big part of oath is to control the API better. Twitter can now shut down misbehaving apps/sites by revoking their key.

Sure, you might just be able to create a new user and key if you get banned but this still gives them one more tool and a better picture of who is sending what over their network.

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1 point by bsagert 5 hours ago 0 replies      
>"I just want to write a little Twitter API script in 5 minutes"

In that case you would use Out-of-band/PIN Code Authentication. See http://dev.twitter.com/pages/auth_overview.

For Pythonistas, my little Twitter API script uses tweepy.py. Thanks to http://jmillerinc.com/2010/05/31/twitter-from-the-command-li... for the steps involved. As an exercise, you could scrape the required PIN with beautifulSoup or similar code to eliminate one step.

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1 point by josephholsten 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Seems like this author just doesn't realize how painful migrating to OAuth is for a service provider. Of course xAuth isn't a real security improvement to HTTP Basic. But it forces everyone to support auth that isn't inherently broken. So once Twitter stops receiving many xAuth requests, they can just turn it off.

The migration to OAuth 2 will be interesting though. All the existing clients will have the right kind of structure to plug in drop in a replacement flow, but I bet there will still be a bunch of complaints. "OMG I don't want to use HTTPS! This is so hard! Who cares that I can use curl to debug now, I want programming to be drag and drop." Haters gonna hate.

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1 point by slava_pestov 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I don't see what the big deal is. It took me a few hours to update Factor's Twitter library for OAuth -- and that included writing the OAuth support library. The whole thing is only a couple of hundred lines of code.
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1 point by roelbondoc 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I've created 2 small web apps that made use of Twitter and authenticated via oauth. It's been pretty simple for the most part. Since I develop in rails, I've had the pleasure of using twitter-auth for authentication.

Generally speaking though, this is a great move by Twitter in my opinion. I'm always a bit concerned when a 3rd party website asks for a username and password. In some cases I no longer provide credentials when I know a certain service provides oauth.

It might not be as easy for non-web based applications, but I'm sure things will improve in the long run.

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-3 points by curtisspope 9 hours ago 0 replies      
yep.I agree.overkill
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Timing Lessons (bizstone.com)
131 points by dabent 15 hours ago   33 comments 13 top all
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17 points by seiji 13 hours ago 0 replies      
It's good to hear a "Sometimes things take time" point of view. The typical mental model of YC [1] can make one feel less than perfect for not having raised $5M by 19, made multiple angel investments by 22, then traveled around the world for philanthropy during your mid 20s because now, carefully managed, you're set for life.

[1]: How the press likes to portray YC: get unknown kids, accelerate them towards terminal funding velocity, stir for three years, and bam instant millionaires.

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21 points by ivankirigin 13 hours ago 2 replies      
Great post, but as a side note:

  "Twitter has 145m users in the same way @MikeTyson has $400m in career earnings."

http://twitter.com/AndySwan/status/22880346280

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11 points by prs 13 hours ago 1 reply      
"Overnight success takes a long time."
Paul Buchheit

http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009/01/overnight-success-t...

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1 point by mkramlich 59 minutes ago 0 replies      
I also like how his tale shows a progression over time in startup ideas that almost kept getting simpler and easier with each new iteration. The core feature(s) of Twitter is pretty darn simple to build out -- scaling it up is harder, sure, but that's a Maserati problem and the kind you may never have the privilege of having anyway. But it was a neat idea, they executed it, nailed it well, and lots of other people loved it. The lesson here with them is you don't have to build something that's very big or hard or complicated, you just have to build something people want and ideally love and tell their friends about it so you don't have to advertise -- if people learn by word-of-mouth your cost-of-customer acquisition approaches zero.
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1 point by s3graham 33 minutes ago 1 reply      
More specifically, it seems you have to do basically the same project for 10 years too.
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12 points by narkee 14 hours ago 1 reply      
> Surrounding yourself with smart people you like to work with helps immeasurably.

I think this is one of the most important pieces of advice ever. Not many people are solo savants - almost everyone who is successful (in business, academia, life) is surrounded by other competent, like-minded people.
We're all standing on the shoulders of giants here, and the romantic meme of the lone-wolf superstar maverick needs to be put away.

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8 points by Calamitous 13 hours ago 0 replies      
"Timing, perseverance, and ten years of trying will eventually make you look like an overnight success."

Love this.

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7 points by karanbhangui 13 hours ago 0 replies      
while I can't say I personally admire twitter as a business, I have some serious respect for his message: 10 years of hard work make an overnight success.
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4 points by sosuke 14 hours ago 2 replies      
I'm having a hard time understanding why he thinks Xanga wasn't a success. He worked on Blogger as well, both of those sites are huge still, maybe not Twitter huge but they are big.
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2 points by 0xygen 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I am glad that he purposefully calls out the balance between perseverance and a seemingly overnight success. This balance (or differentiation) is quite significant for anyone who is starting off. A week on TC and one would assume that raising money and releasing products is a matter of weeks if not days. But all good things (including wine) takes time to blosom.

Back to hardwork.com

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2 points by wicknicks 12 hours ago 0 replies      
Very interesting! Its great to know that it takes years/decades to get to systems like Twitter. The media makes it look so much like a "it-happened-overnight" story.
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0 points by ck2 10 hours ago 0 replies      
Er, he personally launched Xanga? I think not from what I have read elsewhere.

More like he learned how to code/design from being given work to do on Xanga.

Rewriting history there eh?

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-4 points by growl 13 hours ago 5 replies      
It's called luck
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Startupcraft: a Starcraft tournament for startups in SF (startupcraftsf.com)
64 points by justin 10 hours ago   68 comments 22 top all
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10 points by pclark 4 hours ago 0 replies      
You should fly Day[9] out to SF to commentate. He's done a few noteworthy things other than be awesome at Starcraft that are valuable to startups:

* Never give up (eg: play SC for 10 years)

* Build a huge following around his daily series

* And my god he is so evangelical about what he loves, he exudes love for the game - http://blip.tv/file/3486428

/tenuous.

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21 points by cvg 8 hours ago 3 replies      
Hopefully people aren't too good at Starcraft 2. The worst Starcraft team should get a round of funding.
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10 points by asdf333 9 hours ago 3 replies      
You should ping HDStarcraft to see if he wants to cast. He lives in the bay area.

So does Trump, if you want to do a showmatch vs a progamer. He is ranked 159 or so in the world right now....and lives near Cupertino I think

What is novice? Silver league and below?

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5 points by arram 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Makes me wish I'd jumped on the wagon sooner and gotten my skills up to par.
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2 points by jacoblyles 3 hours ago 0 replies      
Solo founder beginner-league looking for a second. Send me an email. I may be unranked, but I pwn n00bz in the practice league.

This will be after the Terran nerf patch comes out, so there are no guarantees on how good I will be.

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3 points by koichi 6 hours ago 1 reply      
Is it faux pas to do this? If so, please let me know and I'll delete it, though.

I wrote a response to some of the comments on this page about the StarCraft tournament in the form of a post.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1661616

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1 point by DrewHintz 1 hour ago 0 replies      
If anyone wants to play SC2, feel free to add me: pushespretn@gmail.com
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2 points by coryl 7 hours ago 1 reply      
This is so cool. My partner and I play at least an hour a day of 2v2 at the end of our work sessions. It'd be a lot of fun, AND cool to meet other startups.

AND its hosted at Justin.tv! Damn you San Francisco, damn you.

*We're not in SF :(

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6 points by zeeg 9 hours ago 1 reply      
Stay away from the beginners cup, unless you want to face the wrath that is DISQUS :)
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1 point by sprout 8 hours ago 4 replies      
It's interesting that they chose to use a region-locked game. Alone it's all well and good to have an event like this in SF, but at least use a more open medium. (I mean, even a weakly open medium like Age of Empires III or something.)

I feel like there's a clear line where 'closed' is bad for everyone, and though I'm not sure if the SF startup community has crossed it, StarCraft II clearly has. It sends a bad message, as I see it.

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1 point by kobs 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Hah, definitely not a surprise that Justin.tv is sponsoring it.
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4 points by dsiroker 9 hours ago 1 reply      
This is great! Thanks for hosting, Justin. Let me know if you are looking for other sponsors. We'd be interested.
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1 point by jeff18 3 hours ago 0 replies      
This is what I've been training for! Count Wolfire Games in.
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2 points by koichi 7 hours ago 1 reply      
DAMNIT. Apparently I just HAD to move out of SF before this happened. The poor location, cost of living, and everything else don't matter when Starcraft 2 is on the line.
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2 points by LeBlanc 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Any other solo founders interested in this? I am diamond 2v2.
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2 points by Sindrome 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This is on the front page... guess I will be seeing a few of you guys @ Blizzcon this year.
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2 points by fatbat 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Wow, too bad I am not around. :(
Any plans to make this a recurring event?
Also, post the replays!
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1 point by ataranto 9 hours ago 2 replies      
Hot tip for investors: invest in the companies that lose in the first round, as their employees are probably too busy building great products to play games.
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2 points by pascalchristian 9 hours ago 2 replies      
The costume competition pic is sooo deceiving.
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3 points by diziet 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Why no 1v1?
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1 point by radley 6 hours ago 0 replies      
OMG - it's on!
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2 points by giannii 8 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm down!
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Duke Nukem Forever.. is back on. (pikimal.com)
76 points by e1ven 12 hours ago   50 comments 17 top all
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12 points by bd 10 hours ago 0 replies      
More details in The Wall Street Journal:

The game is being finished by Gearbox Software and will be published by Take-Two Interactive, publisher of the Grand Theft Auto series.

The game is currently expected to ship in 2011, although given its history, Pitchford [CEO of Gearbox Software] is understandably reluctant to be more specific. "We’re in the polishing phase now. This is a game where we can not make a promise we can not fulfill," he says. "We need to get past the shock and awe and then we can go to all the retailers and first parties and work out a launch plan."

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/09/03/controversial-long...

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Edit: And some more from Kotaku. Here is a video of people actually playing it at PAX:

http://kotaku.com/5629655/your-first-look-at-duke-nukem-fore...

Few screenshots:

http://kotaku.com/5629778/the-duke-nukem-forever-pax-demo-a-...

First impressions:

http://kotaku.com/5629782/duke-nukem-forever-impressions-two...

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8 points by sliverstorm 10 hours ago 3 replies      
This is interesting. Modern graphics is beginning to make his character look dated, rather than stylized. (Not because we are 'used to better', but because of a more realistic background) They can't really change how he looks much either, because everyone and their brother knows what he is supposed to look like.

That's really an interesting puzzle. What do you do when graphics outstrips your content?

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11 points by keltex 11 hours ago 0 replies      
It's supposed to be a fantastic game according to the review:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation...

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15 points by wazoox 11 hours ago 1 reply      
I knew it! Duke Nukem forever couldn't really die. It must remain The Ultimate Vaporware for decades to come :)
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4 points by sliverstorm 5 hours ago 0 replies      
It will be strange to live in a world where Duke Nukem isn't vaporware. It's status as vaporware has always been one of the basic tenants of the internet as I know it, up there with Rule 34.
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7 points by philcrissman 9 hours ago 0 replies      
Well, it has to be. How could it remain eternal vaporware if someone isn't continuously claiming that they're working on it?
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5 points by blahblahblah 7 hours ago 1 reply      
Let me guess... it's now going to be a skateboarding game with a turtle as the main character. ;-)
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3 points by electromagnetic 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Forever is how long I'm willing to wait to play this game, in that I have little to no excitement and don't care if I don't play it within my lifetime.

I loved Duke, he was a hero of mine. Now, because of fucktardRealms his franchise has died, he's now associated with the most successful money-hole ever invented and it's going to have to be a complete reboot to even hit relevancy now.

Seriously kill Forever and start a new game called 'The End' and release it in 2012. (Edit: I'm serious, do a parody alien-Mayan end of the world, cash in on the popular hype, sell it to a new expanded market and then do Forever)

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1 point by alttab 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I was at a mutual gathering and I ran into someone who had worked on an iteration of Duke Nukem Forever. He seemed genuine about the product and he definitely said it was still on... even though he wasn't actively working on it.

We all want it to be coming, that's the point. :)

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1 point by eavc 10 hours ago 3 replies      
I guess it's because I'm slightly too young to have enjoyed it in its prime, but I don't get the excitement over the Duke franchise.

It seems like a standard FPS with some cheeseball bravado, sexism, and sex wrapped around the mechanics. Also, I can't imagine why anyone would think the same people could make a modern game, which is 1000x more complex and expensive to produce than the games of old, with the same success that they made the old, relatively simple one.

So what's the major excitement here? Humor? Pure nostalgia for the days when the cheeseball stuff was really satisfying?

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1 point by dschobel 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Any word if George Broussard is involved at all (or any other ex-3dr people)?
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1 point by mcgraw 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Please don't delay this product another 10 years... This should be a good one!
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0 points by gamble 9 hours ago 0 replies      
...and it will run on a new line of Amigas.
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1 point by malkia 9 hours ago 0 replies      
The real enemy of the Duke: "Rest in pieces 3DRealms!"
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4 points by ancornwell 11 hours ago 1 reply      
Shake it baby!
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1 point by lurkinggrue 11 hours ago 0 replies      
I never gave up hope.
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-1 point by jkantro 7 hours ago 0 replies      
This is a joke right...riiiiiight??? Who knows it could be real. Look at Chinese Democracy, that eventually got released.
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Apple's ping is a big pile of steaming dung (swizec.com)
136 points by Swizec 18 hours ago   99 comments 29 top all
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37 points by crad 17 hours ago 1 reply      
I pretty much had the same experience.

For comparison I found Muse had a stream on Ping so I checked it compared to their Twitter account. Ping's stream for them was sanitized and small. It was not personal and I assume it didn't tell me anything other than what the label wanted me to know.

With full access to my very large library including many albums purchased in ITMS, they suggested a series of artists I have no interest in.

Activity is only measured by what you purchase or review in the ITMS, not on what I actually do in iTunes. They have an opportunity to steal everyones lunch with Ping. Mirroring last.fm functionality with scrobbling and then presenting that info in the profile is a no-brainer.

When looking at my profile, I noticed that the two things it pointed as were two reviews I made in iTunes from years ago. Fresh content is king.

The interface is terrible. Navigating around Ping is a mess.

Granted this is a 1.0, but they have a lot of work to do if they want it to get serious traction and they need to loosen the content reigns a bit. Waiting for my profile pic to be approved is silly.

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71 points by RyanMcGreal 15 hours ago 1 reply      
Next week on Daring Fireball: Why Ping is much smarter than you think and will prove the naysayers wrong.
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40 points by st3fan 16 hours ago 6 replies      
You don't get it. Ping is only there to drive up music sales. This is why every single page has Buy buttons. And why the focus is mostly on music from the store and not for example your ripped music is scrobbled.

This is not about music fans. This is a controlled environment to sell more music.

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27 points by mcantelon 15 hours ago 1 reply      
Apple's controlling nature, and desire to be the Disney of the computer world, seem incompatible with the instincts needed to create a successful social network.
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16 points by Marticus 16 hours ago 0 replies      
While trying to avoid the cliche "Apple sux" explanation, I'm actually genuinely surprised they botched this as badly as they seem to have.

Maybe it's releasing a product without a comprehensive music database being in place. Maybe it's the inability to link to, you know, their OWN PRODUCT a la last.fm and, well, anything.

But really, whoever was in charge of this obviously wasn't being watched closely enough - this is a software foul-up of pretty large proportions.

Plus I like the implication that they don't trust any other form of avatar/username site (Gravatar, etc) and instead you have to take your picture with your cute widdle iCameraAsApprovedByApple and then wait for it to be "approved."

Which makes me feel immensely sorry for anyone whose job encompasses looking to see if pictures violate a ToS agreement, even if it is 10 minutes a day, and even if it is "pre-filtered" by some type of algorithm (surely, please for the love of all things surely).

Overall, depressing.

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6 points by miguelpais 15 hours ago 0 replies      
I was still thinking of giving some credit to Ping when I saw, after being disappointed with all the other features, that you could post a music to your profile. That's something that I quite regularly do on my Facebook profile, simply post a youtube video of some music I like so I can share it with my friends.

I quickly went back to my library, right clicked on a song and searched for some Post button. Unfortunately, as I was soon able to find out, you can only do that inside the ITMS. Of course, some of the songs I have on my library are not in the ITMS, but they could still figure out an automatic way of matching the artist and track name, ask me if one of the matched songs is the one I'm talking about and post it.

As a result, Ping, instead of being that brilliant last.fm killer idea we all envisioned when we heard about it of bringing a music social network to the actual music player people use, is just a webpage poorly stamped to my music player, with absolutely no integration with my library.

Even Last.fm, a 3rd party social network has more integration with my library then a social network inside my music player. If this makes sense...

P.S.: what I said about Posting is equally applicable for Liking a song. You can't do that in your library and there is also no relation between your 5-star rated songs and the music you actually like according to ping.

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3 points by garyrichardson 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Usually, Apple does a very good job of masking when a product is designed purely to sell other products. For example is iTunes or the iPod the razor blade? Ping is very sanitized and sterile. For the huge launch they did, there is almost no content preloaded. Plus there is even less freedom then in the app store.

For posterity, I'd like to record the following message:

These comments were all made when ping sucked. I'm sure that, similarly to the iPod launch, Apple will fix Ping and use it to destroy facebook. 10 years from now, all of these comments will look foolish.

Clearly Apple has gotten so good at making winning products they need a fresh and new challenge. They've set the bar very high for themselves.

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3 points by paulitex 14 hours ago 1 reply      
Anyone else get so annoyed by the flashing little dummy avatars at the bottom of the page that they couldn't finish the article? Shame too, I was liking it.

(is that an ad? or some kind of 'social feature'?? Something incredibly ironic about this article if the latter)

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3 points by commieneko 15 hours ago 0 replies      
I'll start off by saying that I personally will probably have little use for Ping. My musical tastes are fairly, shall we say, idiosyncratic.

Having said that, Ping seems to be a targeted product, aimed at a particular audience. It is a sales tool for music. If you fit the demographic it will probably work pretty well. My guess is that computer geeks (include me) are not the demographic Steve is aiming for. If you teenager, and listen to whatever 90% of teenagers listen to these days, then it might work quite well for you.

The product's success will not depend on how well people like the typical Hacker News reader like it...

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4 points by gokhan 13 hours ago 0 replies      
Apple is like graphic artists back in the early days of the web. Only experienced in the controlled print environment, the web pages they designed was just images on static pages, but not web.
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4 points by marknutter 16 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm dumbfounded that they're using iTunes as the platform for this thing. Not having it exist as a website is retarded beyond belief. I really hope this isn't the fruit their Lala acquisition is bearing, because if it is it makes me even more angry that they killed one of my favorite web apps. They should have just rebranded lala as Apple Ping and been done with it. Huge fail so far.
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19 points by SeanLuke 15 hours ago 2 replies      
> And I have no idea who Yo-Yo Ma and Jack Johnson even are.

oooookay.

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5 points by Qz 16 hours ago 2 replies      
What is that random bar of faceless people on the bottom of the article page?
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1 point by siglesias 14 hours ago 2 replies      
>>Fail #4 - obviously commercially inspired music recommendations are obviously lametastic.

Is this the best critique of Ping HN could find, a poorly written, rage-infused, explitive-riddled rant fest that one would expect to be found on digg?

Ping came out 2 bloody days ago! Who would expect that every niche artist would be on this thing not even 48 hours in? I'm very impressed with the mix they got on board pre-launch. Give it a couple of days.

By the way, how many users did Myspace, FB, or Twitter have 2 days in? Let's use our heads here, folks.

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1 point by protomyth 10 hours ago 0 replies      
My one problem is in lieu of adding indy artists, I really wish Ping would replace the alerts subsystem so I could follow any artist. I finally figured out how to comment on albums and here is a link on how to like an individual song ( http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/02/itunes-101-liking-a-song-in-p... ).

On the wish side: kill suggested follows, allow comments / like audiobooks, follow but do not display in profile artist (guilty pleasure).

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1 point by houseabsolute 14 hours ago 0 replies      
The only one of these that bothers me at all is the dearth of artists on the network. But that alone is plenty fatal. I guess I'll try it again in a month and see how uptake is then.

I'd say it's extremely premature to say it will fail, though. But I guess tech pundits love to jump to conclusions based on opening day impressions.

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0 points by blhack 14 hours ago 1 reply      
Here is why ping will fail:

I heard about it a couple of days ago, but never really gave it much thought because, honestly, I don't really even know what it is for. Streaming music? Better than grooveshark? Not likely if its run by Apple.

After seeing this article (and the one directly below it as of right now), I decided I should check it out.

Hmmm...do I go to ping.com (no, because I'm pretty sure that ping golf clubs aren't going to sell their domain), or apple.com/ping? No, that says "the page you're looking for cannot be found".

Okay, then, duckduckgo it is! Hmm...apple.com/itunes/ping, that is a lot to type...stupid move, apple, whatever.

click

Annnndddd...nothing? I have to launch iTunes to even see what this is?

iTunes, right, the software that won't let me play half of my audio files because Apple refuses to allow flac?

So I have to get out my laptop, open it, launch itunes, then figure out how to get to ping?

The barrier to entry, at least for me, is way to high.

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0 points by KirinDave 10 hours ago 1 reply      
An inflammatory jackass who doesn't know who Yo-Yo Ma is and who thinks Apple would ever consider Gravatar support gets this much interest on news.ycomb? And did you notice it's a self-submit? Classy.

Lately it seems like this discussion group has become increasingly anti-Apple. It didn't use to be this way, originally it was far more neutral. I wonder what's changed?

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2 points by sledmonkey 14 hours ago 0 replies      
The biggest problem for me is finding artists and people to follow. Why can the Genius feature look at my library and suggest music to buy but in Ping I get 14 suggestions that are all unrelated? Ok, facebook and apple are sorting things out, but why do i have to enter email addresses? Why can't it look at my apple address book and at least let me pick from that? Very messy rollout and I can't help but think apple's secrecy and control is going to burn them here.
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1 point by jcromartie 12 hours ago 0 replies      
I don't know why Apple thought anybody wanted this.
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1 point by hopeless 13 hours ago 0 replies      
So Ping won't be available outside of the U.S.? Well, thank f*+k for that!
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2 points by hyramgraff 11 hours ago 0 replies      
This article disappointed me. I was expecting a good hacker's rant about /sbin/ping.
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1 point by DanielN 13 hours ago 0 replies      
the really disappointing thing about ping is that unlike last.fm, apple has access to the binary file for itunes and so could provide even more info about your listening habits.

I assume last.fm's scrobbler works entirely from the unencrypted itunes file which only gives play count.

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1 point by athom 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Just goes to show how out of the loop I am when it comes to Apple. I read the title, wondered if it was about the internet echo test command, and then wondered, how the heck would they screw THAT up??!
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1 point by jckarter 12 hours ago 0 replies      
That the author more or less admits to confirmation bias in the very first paragraph kind of colors their conclusions, regardless of whether Ping actually sucks or not.
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0 points by code_duck 8 hours ago 0 replies      
Yeah, well... so is Facebook, so is Twitter, so is Windows, so is pretty much everything. Who cares.
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1 point by dstnbrkr 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Stopped reading when he said he didn't know Yo-Yo Ma.
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-4 points by orenmazor 17 hours ago 1 reply      
your itunes account is "hacked"? pimped out, is it? is it lowered too? hellaflush.

no, ping is not very useful right now. I'm sure they'll figure out how to improve it. apple frequently starts with a small wedge and then innovates on top of it.

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-1 point by muhfuhkuh 14 hours ago 0 replies      
So, that settles it: No scrobbling. Less artists than last.fm. Lame. [1]

Looks like ping is another home run.

[1]With all apologies to Rob Malda: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/1816257

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How Debt Can Destroy a Budding Relationship (nytimes.com)
48 points by georgecmu 9 hours ago   63 comments 10 top all
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17 points by chime 7 hours ago 5 replies      
I don't think debt by itself can destroy a relationship. Lack of proper communication can. I had under $50k debt from my undergrad (international student, double the cost of tuition) and my wife had none. My masters was being paid by my employer while she would be taking about $80k in loans to pay for her medical masters. We were upfront to each other about our obligations and plans of repayment.

I've paid off almost all of my debt and she will take care of hers once she graduates. Even if we both had 100k+ in debt, it wouldn't make a huge difference to our standard of living. We'd simply be paying off debt instead of adding to our savings.

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36 points by patio11 8 hours ago replies      
$170k for a bachelor's in photography?!?
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7 points by philwelch 5 hours ago 1 reply      
If you carry $170,000 of debt without even realizing how much the total amount is, that says something about you, something that may in fact make some people less willing to marry you.

Having hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt is fine. It's a curse of the middle class, at one point or another--a mortgage if not student loans. You're supposed to realize what you're doing when you borrow that kind of money, though. Running up hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt without fully recognizing what you're doing seems irresponsible. You're mentally evading your responsibilities to others.

I can't even comprehend the mindset involved in that. How can you spend years paying for anything (even a car!) without even once trying to keep track of where you stand in terms of paying it off?

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3 points by cperciva 5 hours ago 1 reply      
The article asks the question of when individuals entering a relationship should bring up debts. Being a bit more optimistic, and hopefully more relevant to the world of startups, I'd like to ask the opposite question: If you're entering a relationship, when is the right time to mention that you're rich?
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1 point by mkramlich 1 hour ago 0 replies      
On a related note, one of my projects is an effort to help ensure that more people can acquire the benefits of a college degree but without having to incur a large amount of cash debt or time debt. I'm sure I'll have more details to announce here if/when it's further along.
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4 points by dman 5 hours ago 0 replies      
Before opening the article I was expecting an article about US-China relations.
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1 point by TGJ 2 hours ago 0 replies      
It doesn't matter what's going on outside the relationship, if you're not communicating, it's not working. It really is as simple as that.
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1 point by TheAmazingIdiot 7 hours ago 4 replies      
To me, this is foreign. If you love somebody, and I mean _truly love_, it doesnt matter how much money you owe, or what judgments are against you.

Those who I have been with (counting 2 now) I would have moved the world for. I only left the first one because I didn't think she even cared I was there (and her actions didnt show it).

If their marriage was a convenient way to get tax benefits and other marriage related tax burden reductions, so be it. Enter as a business arrangement, which is what he seemed to have done without understanding liabilities.

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2 points by nhashem 7 hours ago 2 replies      
I wonder if engineers are more susceptible to this situation, often because our occupation doesn't require us to frontload with student debt and it's easy for your salary to escalate within a couple years. In other words, it's very easy to be a programmer in your mid-20s with absolutely no debt. Dating someone whose debt situation is very different than yours seems likely.
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1 point by waldorfsalad 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Okay, simple: how the f*ck do you run up $150k+ in debt and NOT KNOW THE BALANCE? Continually amazed with people.

Makes a good point about the potential pointlessness (and lack of financial feasibility) of higher education. Makes me question getting an MBA.

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How to do AB Testing using Google Website Optimizer (fogcreek.com)
18 points by mgorsuch 7 hours ago   3 comments 2 top all
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4 points by webwright 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Having just used GWO for a project because it was a requirement (GWO is integrated with Shopify), I can now much more enthusiastically endorse Visual Website Optimizer.
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1 point by aymeric 3 hours ago 0 replies      
The video states A/B testing doesn't help you find the global maximum, which I agree with.

So how do you go about finding the global maximum? Using A/B testing you could create some variations that are 'wild' to hope to get lucky but it is not very efficient. What else can you do?

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Simplicity Is Highly Overrated (jnd.org)
99 points by grk 21 hours ago   97 comments 32 top all
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18 points by edw519 17 hours ago 2 replies      
Hmmm...When it comes to simplicity in design, I may be an outlier, but just a few of my daily struggles...

- I have to subtract 23 minutes (or add 37 minutes depending on daylight savings time) from the clock in my car because I lost the manual. What ever happened to a dial with 2 hands?

- I have to stand beside the microwave and open the door when the popcorn stops popping because I have no idea how to get good popcorn any other way.

- I never put anything in the dishwasher because I have no idea whether it's clean or dirty. How hard would it be to put a large green/yellow/red light on the front panel? (I am not the main user.)

- Why does almost every web page or Windows screen have buttons that do totally different functions right next to each other in the same color? (Yesterday, I meant to click on my only unread email and accidently sorted by Subject Name instead. It took me 5 minutes to realize what I had done.

- I gave up on our 4 TV remotes (124 total buttons) long ago. If it's on Channel 6, I'll watch it without sound.

- What do those other 2 buttons on the garage door opener do? I hit them so often, some days I wonder if I'll hear dogs barking.

- Need ice or water from the refrigerator door? Make sure you're in the right "mode" first. Why not just have 2 openings?

- Cell phone is ringing. Where is it?!?!? Why can't I just answer the land line? It's always in the same place.

- Stereo in living room is unplugged until we need it. I don't know how to stop the constant light show on the front panel.

Just when was it that things got so complicated that they created more problems than they solved?

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14 points by jakevoytko 17 hours ago 1 reply      
The author ignores a key component of the problem - "complex" interfaces make it easy to accomplish your goals.

From the Zen of Python:

    Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.
Flat is better than nested.

Applying these three principles to user interfaces, the best user interfaces present lots of features at once, with each button (or small section) of the interface performing a specific, orthogonal task. Indeed, this is how consumer electronics are designed. My microwave allows me to select any mode I want, and manipulate the screen with a keypad in a separate rounded rectangle. The stereo, AC, wipers and headlight controls all manipulate unique parts of my car. My washing machine has a different rectangular selection pad for each "feature" of the wash - temperature? color? size? presoak?.

Flattening an interface helps the learning curve. If you need to set the time on your microwave, bet on the "time" button. On the other hand, I still need to ask my girlfriend how to set her iPod to "shuffle," or shut it off, or reset it when it freezes.

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14 points by jrwoodruff 18 hours ago 2 replies      
I just disagree with this. I think complexity is laziness on the part of the designer, the marketing team and the management team that probably demands their products appear complex.

For instance, the washing machine that needs two buttons but has 20. Two buttons on a washing machine, if designed well, is a great marketing opportunity. BUT you would have to design it with a way to SHOW the user all of the things that the machine is actually doing, like how the prius shows you what it's doing. Give it a sleek, standout design, and you've got a high-end, high-dollar washing machine.

Thing is, that means someone has to step outside the box and do something different than their competitors. Slapping lots of 'features' on a machine is cheap and gives the sales guys lots of fodder for B.S., no extra training required.

Look at Apple's products, look at the Toyota Prius. Complex machines that simplify the tasks they do. And they're selling very well.

Ultimately, design and marketing have to make simple mean more, not less, to middle America. And someday, probably soon, when every washing machine has 20 knobs and I need to push 10 buttons to toast a piece of bread, simplicity will be the new selling point.

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9 points by todayiamme 20 hours ago 1 reply      
I agree with the author, but there is one point he seems to have overlooked; brand. If you create a brand identity consisting of easy to use and, actually, useful products. Then this issue becomes your selling point. It's all about perception and designing your products for something as fluid as human perception is like trying to wrestle with water. Instead, if you hire just the right PR then you can put that water into a nice, little container.

However, consumer products aside there are some cases where a complex, but not complicated, solution is better than the simple solution. For example, city planners have this eternal tendency to build flyovers whenever and wherever they can, but the flyovers themselves can't handle the increasing loads after a certain period of time. So, then what?

A more complex, but uncomplicated solution would be to make the traffic lights respond dynamically at a city wide scale with traffic. If you can figure out the volume of cars on a given stretch of road vs. other roads you can then use a routing algorithm to predict the best timing and path to guide the cars. It's more complex than the flyover, but it's cheaper and the leftover money can be then put into making better mass transportation in order to cut down car growth.

Further, you can figure out the volume of traffic by using accelerometers embedded in the road. Any vibration propagating through a solid medium has certain characteristics, which can be accurately predicted by studying solid acoustics. Hence, if you have an array of sensors (they are cheap) you can track the vibrations down to their respective sources. In this scenario accuracy is not an issue, a roundabout number should be good enough.

Powering the sensors isn't much of an issue either and we can put wire them to micro-controllers that crunch some of the data and sends it higher up the chain.

So, at the end we have an entire city that behaves and responds like an organism to the traffic flowing in its veins. It will be just beautiful.

The irony is that its inherent complexity ensures that people won't buy it. After all, who would want to trust solid math?

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9 points by zeteo 18 hours ago 1 reply      
I think this may have something to do with conspicuous consumption:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption

Your new toaster might have too many buttons and displays for you to use effectively, but it will surely impress the heck out of the next visitor. In fact, it's arguable that conspicuous consumption is the _only_ reason why you'd buy a $250 toaster with a dozen buttons instead of of a $20 toaster with a knob.

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4 points by weego 20 hours ago 0 replies      
I disagree to a point, I think you need to appreciate that the term simple is not at all simple in itself and is totally relative to the observer.

For example, my parents bought all the gadgets and gizmos a kid could ever want, and I though growing up with them and pressing and getting myself out of awkward situations (like trying to figure out what "change language" would be in mandarin after changing the languate on the DVD player just to see what would happen) I would consider something like a Sky box, a pre-amp or a DVD player simple no matter what the interface (tactile and digital) looked like a simple tool to use.

My parents, who bought all these things and used them a little are consistently lost whenever they have to replace their digital radio, or DVD player. All the functions are the same, but the experience is different, and for them that means everything is different and unknown. Their understanding of simple is from way before we even had our fist microwave.

Simplicity is not a myth, it's just not a constant. This is pretty much addressed, but not argued, explicitly in the article: the measure if simple you use for your product must be appropriate to your target demographic and not the definition of the engineering team or a think-tank.

It is possible for simple to not be simple.

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4 points by drblast 17 hours ago 2 replies      
Uggh. I have a microwave that must be designed by the Koreans in this article.

If I want to heat something up for thirty seconds, I have to wade through four menus and sub-menus:

Express cook (ha ha)->
30 seconds->
OK->
Start

People who designed consumer microwaves have obviously never used one.
I have NEVER cooked anything in the microwave that should have involved more than a single button press. If the cooking is going to take fewer than 30 seconds, I'm not going to need a timer; it's not like I'm going to go walk the dog with the rest of my time.

I never want to type in an amount of time and then have the microwave not begin cooking until I hit a Start button. I always want full power. I don't want to adjust the fan speed. Nobody has tried to cook actual meals in the microwave since 1985 so I don't need a chicken-pot-pie setting. I don't want the keys to beep loudly when I press them and I don't want the microwave to beep loudly when it's done because I don't want the kids to wake up.

I'd pay more for the lack of "features."

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3 points by njharman 16 hours ago 0 replies      
> Haven’t you ever compared two products side by side, comparing the features of each, preferring the one that did more? Why shame on you, you are behaving, well, behaving like a normal person.

i'ma geek I like complex programmable stuff. But this is still BS. I buy the $19.99 toaster oven cause after a year or two they're all nasty inside and It's nice to chuck it an buy new one. $20/yr is worth it to have toasty things. $250 is not.

If I made $200k I'd proly buy the $250 toaster and never use it cause I ate out all the time.

I recently was absolutely shocked shopping for vacuums. they went from $60 to over $500. WTF! The $200+ ones were filled with retarded, do nothing "features". I went to thrift store and bought a $30 one.

My points are 2

1) purchasing decisions have many more factors than simplity or complex.

2) the biggest factor is manipulating the buyers psychology, simple/complex is a symptom of that. Apple has made it a cool/hip lifestyle choice to own "sealed", low-featured, slick and overpriced electronics. Complex == status for Koreans. Do nothing technical sounding features == I don't know what? but something to convince people to pay $500 for $200 vacuum. Monster Cables.

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7 points by asciitaxi 19 hours ago 1 reply      
I think before the advent of personal computing, a bit of extra complexity was ok. Life was pretty simple. You had a car, a stereo, a tv with a button for each channel, a stove/oven, and a calculator. You actually had room in your mind and time in your weekend to read the manual and figure out your new VCR. It was fun!

Making complex things was actually expensive to do, so a microwave with lots of functions cost more than one with a single button that said "heat up my food". This made it a bit of a status symbol. It was also the start of everything becoming digital, so it was cool for everything to have lots of buttons and a fancy readout.

Now we have several TVs, all with several boxes, incorporating our audio system, and connected to several services. We have smartphones, computers, tablets, printers and routers. Then there's all the software on and off the web to figure out, configure, and get working together. And you have to deal with all that at work, too. It's tough just to stay afloat.

So, the last thing you want is a digital toaster. They can make it look as complex as they want, but it won't make it look any more expensive. Today something looks expensive if it is simple, heavy, and looks like it was handcrafted by a German man. People still lapse into 1980s thinking and make the association that complicated means better, but that will wear off.

I'm not saying that extra features aren't sometimes important, but features are so easy to add to things today. You just have to type a few lines of code. Making someting look complex is easy and inexpensive. Making something complex look simple takes much for time, effort, money, and talent. Increasingly, people will pay for that.

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15 points by someisaac 18 hours ago 2 replies      
This is an old article.When reading this article i thought the author was right till i saw this article by zedshaw.
zedshaw's is very fun to read yet highly informative.!

http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/fortune_favors_big_turds.html

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2 points by jdietrich 15 hours ago 0 replies      
Apple, Apple, Apple.

They went from being a computer company struggling to survive to one of the world's largest and most profitable consumer electronics companies based on an obsession with simplicity and elegance.

Simplicity is hard, but get it right and the world will beat a path to your door.

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2 points by doki_pen 16 hours ago 0 replies      
The whole article seems to be more of a style argument then a complexity argument. It presents the false dichotomy that things that are simple to operate, must have less controls. There is no reason why you can't have all the controls and a button that does everything very simply. First page of the manual should say, use the "auto" button, if that doesn't work for you, keep reading.

We've also been trained to want a manual override switch. When I think of simplicity in UI, I think of Apple. I remember when Apple stopped putting eject buttons on their Mac disk drives. A also remember constantly having to find a paper clip when the machine refused to eject the disc(often).

Secondly, there are always special cases where you need some extra control. It's hard to believe that the manufacturers software has accounted for everything. When I find a "bug" it's very frustrating to not be able to manually override the behavior.

Another case for complexity is if some sensor breaks, the appliance becomes useless. I remember shopping for a car in the early 90s (with my parents), and wanting manual windows because everyone I knew with electric windows had broken motors with windows that didn't work anymore. The situation is drastically improved now, but then, manual ruled. Sooner or later your "automatic" appliance won't work the way it did when it was first purchased. Having manual controls should extend the life of the appliance.

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2 points by 10ren 15 hours ago 0 replies      
So he has a marketing message: "we purchase on features", and we "equate apparent [...] complexity with power'. His solution is spot on: give the appearance of power (for purchase), but make it actually simple-to-use (for use.)

He also mentions users' "favorite features" (it's well known that we don't like having to change our behaviour, even for the better); and "“critical” features" (sometimes they aren't actually necessary; and sometimes, as Joel says, "everyone uses a different 20%" - Linus has also said this). An example of the latter, and as people have said here, is when really do need to customize a default behaviour.

Love Joel's linked comment on bootstrapping:
So you sell "simple" as if it were this wonderful thing, when, coincidentally, it's the only thing you have the resources to produce. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/09.html

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2 points by jacquesm 20 hours ago 2 replies      
I think it is possible to have a complicated product that is made easy to use and has extra features that get 'exposed' over time for your power users to find, preferably just when they need them the first time.

Complexity per-se has nothing to do with it, (over) complex problems fail just as fast as overly simplified products.

The trick is to match what your application is offering to the user in such a way that the context determines what face the application puts on it's capabilities.

Mobile phones fail spectacularly in this respect, often used features are stacked 6 down in unnavigable menu trees, never used (but commercially interesting stuff for the carriers) sits near the top.

There are many examples like that.

But there are (fortunately) also examples to the contrary.

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2 points by TravisLS 16 hours ago 0 replies      
I think the author makes a valid point, but it's important not to confuse feature-rich and complex. A customer's purchase decision may be driven by the abundance of features, but the review they post later that week will be driven by the experience using your product.

Highlight features to sell, but keep those features well-organized and intuitive to create a positive experience after the sale.

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5 points by bjnortier_hn 19 hours ago 1 reply      
"And the truth is, simplicity does not sell".

BS.

Some people prefer simplicity, some prefer complexity. I'm not sure where the median is, it might be on either side. Preference can be a function of many things, including culture.

You can make money from either. Just know your customer.

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2 points by myoung8 10 hours ago 0 replies      
I think people want products that are simple to use, not just simple. There's a big difference.

There are many products that have a lot of features, but employ concepts like progressive disclosure to make them easier for a wide range of people to use.

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3 points by balding_n_tired 18 hours ago 1 reply      
Back when a food company was coming out with cake mixes, it discovered that cooks felt bad about just adding water & stirring. They redid the recipe so that it was necessary to add an egg, and everyone was happier.
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1 point by nadam 20 hours ago 1 reply      
I am a big fan of simplicity, but I recently realized that I was going too far. It is hard to make money by just concentrating on simplicity. Most cash-cows are really complex beasts. See Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, Adobe Photoshop, Oracle.
If the emphasis of your product is simplicity, chances are you have to compete with free software.
Joel had a presentation on this: there are dozens of simple bug trackers out there, lots of them are free, but still only a few companies make big money in the field, and their products are not the simplest ones.
I still value simplicity, it is just risky if that is the main value proposition of a product.

Also there is simplicity on the user's side and there is simplicity on the engineering side. Sometimes it implies incredibly complex and hard engineering work to enable simplicity on the user's side. Although UX is the king, I've realized that sometimes you have to make compromises even in UX to keep the underlying technology not extremely complex.

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3 points by symkat 21 hours ago 6 replies      
I suppose a counter-argument to this would be... anything Apple makes? Their non-computer products generally have fewer buttons on them than comparable phones/mp3 players.

The MiFi that was just being raved about earlier today also only has an on/off button.

Perhaps those are exceptions, rather than the rule. What makes those exceptional, though?

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1 point by wazoox 16 hours ago 0 replies      
Augh. A colleague had a Civic type-R (2008 model). Man, this dashboard was unfathomable. I risked my life driving this and trying to switch radio station! Not only this dashboard has more buttons than a spaceship console, but most buttons carry different modal functions at different times! Atrocious and unusable.
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1 point by iamcalledrob 20 hours ago 1 reply      
This is mainly a cultural difference between East and West.

I would say that Western people tend to define a successful product as something that's simple, functional, and easy to use.

In other cultures, the feature list defines whether a product is successful. The more the better.

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4 points by jkossen 17 hours ago 0 replies      
Reminds me of the good ol' Larry Wall quote "Easy things should be easy, and hard things should be possible."
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1 point by akshayubhat 20 hours ago 0 replies      
A good way to think about it is via Occam's Razor:
Which states that "Multiplicity should not be posited without necessity"

Thus the pioneering products in any new segment are simple, however as time passes new "necessities" emerge, which means the product "must" be modified to fit those needs. This also assumes a well regulated market with rational buyers (no fanboi's).

Note that this does not means that Simplicity should always be favored or The simplest solution is usually the correct answer, even if there is a single legitimate need which a simple solution cannot address, then the solution must be made complex to address that need effectively.

Evolution of Personal Computer or any non monopoly product is a good example.

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1 point by thefool 17 hours ago 0 replies      
I would argue that it is a good thing for people to be able to take apart and fiddle with the things they buy. The ability to do this had diminished as goods have become increasingly complicated and automated.

The real solution is to offer simple as a feature. Have a default mode which makes everything really easy, and a "complicated" mode which allows people to change everything.

By breaking things up into two usability modes, most people get the benefits of simplicity, while the ones that care get the benefit of control.

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1 point by dean 16 hours ago 0 replies      
"The complex expensive toaster? I bet it sells well."

His whole argument basically comes down to this comment. Instead of guessing whether complexity sells well, he should continue his research and find out for sure.

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1 point by felxh 19 hours ago 0 replies      
I certainly agree with article that complex looking appliances subconsciously make us think that the said appliance is more powerful and has more features. I also agree that this would be a selling point to many people. OTH I also know many people (i would say less technical inclined people), that see a complex looking appliance and think "omg i will never figure out how to use that. It probably does all sorts of advanced stuff, but all I want do is make toast".

Now, whether you can convince these people that they also should pay more for their simple looking appliance, or even convince them that the simple looking one can actually do all that 'advanced stuff' as well, is another question. I would guess it depends on how sleek and high-quality you manage to make it look. There is a thin line between "looks simple because it probably is very cheap and basic" and "looks simple but also seems to be high quality and professional"

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1 point by Androsynth 16 hours ago 0 replies      
The problem with complexity as a feature is that it becomes a positive feedback loop. Marketers will always try to one-up the competition and this will ultimately lead to a backlash against complexity.
edit: I'm too tired to make a strong case for why this will happen, however as a user who recently switched to Win7, I can assure you it will.
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1 point by tome 17 hours ago 1 reply      
This seems to be another case of people not knowing what their needs are.
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1 point by alexiocowabunga 19 hours ago 0 replies      
If we were to consider any coffee shop chain - the complexity in some of the coffee that is displayed is extremely apparent.

We can go from £1.50 for an espresso all the way up to £3.60 for something that may resemble a coffee but probably only costs a few pence more to produce!

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2 points by plemer 17 hours ago 0 replies      
Functionality>Simplicity but they aren't entirely opposed.
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0 points by vegai 20 hours ago 0 replies      
And nobody's buying iPads.
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Which weight will lift first as the rope is pulled? (friendfeed.com)
66 points by brlewis 18 hours ago   51 comments 10 top all
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19 points by mkn 14 hours ago 1 reply      
I loved these pulley problems in statics.

Assume the weights are resting on a surface, the pulleys and rope are massless, the pulleys are frictionless, and the system is maintained in quasi-equilibrium as the rope is pulled (steady state & small accelerations). In this case, the tension T in the rope is constant everywhere. Now, take a horizontal section through the ropes. ("Cut" them and replace the missing portions of the rope with the tension.) Each weight is experiencing an upward force of 2T.

When 2T >= 20, or T = 10, weight A begins to rise. Once a hits a stop, T must be increased to just above 20 to get Weight B to rise. Similarly, T just above 30 causes C to rise after B stops.

The "trick" with these pulley problems is to section the problem through the cables and show the tension, T. Then you've just got free body problems, in this case subject to the floor constraint.

Oh, also, while the first weight is being lifted, the floor beneath weight B experiences 40 - 20 = 20 units of force, and the floor under C experiences 60 - 20 = 40 units of force. Once B is lifted, the floor under C experiences 60 - 40 = 20 units of force. (Presuming that the labels are weights, and not masses.)

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34 points by cynicalkane 17 hours ago 2 replies      
Well, the diagram is impossible unless the weights are all resting on the floor, so let's assume they are. This system will find a steady state only at a local minimum of potential energy, so the lightest weight will be lifted before the heavier two get off the ground.
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16 points by RiderOfGiraffes 17 hours ago 3 replies      
If the system is frictionless, the rope is weightless, and the weights are not supported, then the lighter weight will rise and the heavier weight(s) will fall. Therefore if the rope is pulled very slowly, the lighter weight will rise first.

If the rope really is weightless and the pulleys really are fictionless (and inertialess) then it doesn't matter how hard or fast you pull, the lighter weight will rise first. This is at odds with your intuition simply because you have no (or insufficient) experience with weightless and frictionless environments. This is one reason why space is so bloody dangerous, in addition to the dangers posed by, say, diving, where similarly to space, your equipment has to work perfectly or you die.

In the real world, pulling fast enough will make the closer weight rise first.

The truth lies somewhere in between.

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5 points by hop 16 hours ago 1 reply      
This tricks people because it doesn't start out in static equilibrium. For it to look like this, the weights would have to be resting on a table to relieve the tension in the rope.

If the man does nothing, the heaviest weight will fall and the lightest will rise. If it's frictionless and he starts pulling, the same thing will happen, only the lengths will lessen.

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1 point by amalcon 15 hours ago 1 reply      
This reminds me of the airplane on the conveyor belt, in that the only confusion comes from the question being insufficiently specified.

  - Friction of the pulleys
- Mass of the pulleys
- Moment of inertia of the pulleys
- Mass of the rope
- Unit of mass of the weights
- Is there a surface that the weights are resting on?
- What's the local gravity like?
- Others

If we assume the things we're likely supposed to (rope mass, pulley friction, pulley mass and moment of inertia all insignificant, gravity tending down, resting on a surface), it's clear that the lightest weight will rise first. If, on the other hand, we make ridiculous assumptions (weights mass in AMU, in a no-gravity environment, high moment of inertia pulleys), then the "heavy" weight will lift first (because it's easier to lift the weight than to spin the pulleys).

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7 points by JoeAltmaier 17 hours ago 1 reply      
Its not a static system; the question is unfair.
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3 points by tankenmate 16 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm with Rider, if you view it as a "classic" physics class problem, ie weightless ropes and pulleys (and hence no angular inertia for the pulleys, and no inertia due to the ropes), and no friction, weight A would rise even without pulling the rope, weight B would remain static, and weight C would drop at the same rate that weight A would go up. If you pulled on the rope you could never make weight C go up faster than weight A until it hit the top and stopped moving. So the pulling bit is a red herring, as weight A would always hit the top before the other two, either pulling or holding it still. Assuming the weights are in kilograms you would have to let the rope go at a rate of 3.13 m/s (11.27 kph, 7 mph) to prevent weight A from rising.
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2 points by ck2 16 hours ago 1 reply      
None. Instead he'll pull the ceiling down as they failed to screw it into the studs. ;-)
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2 points by farmerbuzz 15 hours ago 0 replies      
I would love to see a video demonstration of the answer (my intuition was apparently wrong which would make a video that much more entertaining).
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0 points by lazyant 15 hours ago 2 replies      
The length of the rope is constant. For every weigh with a pulley the weigh moves 1/2 length unit for every length unit it's being pulled. Weights don't matter; C will go up first, then B then A (at a relative 1/2 length ratio).
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Who Says You Can’t Play Games On Linux? Caster Is Amazing (digitizor.com)
5 points by dkd903 4 hours ago   3 comments 2 top all
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1 point by famousactress 46 minutes ago 0 replies      
The enthusiasm of the review is the story here. Read it twice. I just love how stoked this guy is about the game!
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1 point by Qz 1 hour ago 1 reply      
Game like it's 1999!
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Node.js for Server Noobs (dtrejo.com)
39 points by DTrejo 10 hours ago   9 comments 5 top all
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9 points by points 8 hours ago 2 replies      
19 people upvoted this? Did you even check? It has 0 content.

The 'meat' of the "article" is

  webby# curl -O http://nodejs.org/dist/node-v0.2.0.tar.gz
webby# tar xvzf node-v0.2.0.tar.gz
webby# cd node-v0.2.0
webby# ./configure
webby# make
webby# make install

Which I think most people who can read docs can work out.

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6 points by aminuit 8 hours ago 1 reply      
FYI apt-get update does not update any packages. It just downloads the current list of packages and their versions from the repository.
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1 point by c00p3r 2 hours ago 0 replies      
btw, it is time to put the support for clang++ in V8's scons build system. It is not obvious what file should I modify. In the case of a traditional make I just redefine one environment variable before doing ./configure or modify one variable in a Makefile (clang is compatible with gcc's command line arguments).
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1 point by White_N_Nerdy 8 hours ago 1 reply      
Anyone have any info on using Node.js server code to talk to SOAP services?
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0 points by Sephr 2 hours ago 0 replies      
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Scott Adams: Phone (dilbert.com)
51 points by cwan 15 hours ago   43 comments 21 top all
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18 points by amirmc 13 hours ago 2 replies      
Side note:

> "When my so-called phone rings, my first reaction is "Shit. What's wrong now?" ..."

This is so true. Partly because we've trained our contacts this way. I only ring people when it's 'important' (read: shit+fan) and tend to expect the same in return.

It's odd since a 30 second phone call can usually replace 10 minutes of back and forth over email (albeit without the paper-trail).

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14 points by powrtoch 12 hours ago 1 reply      
Not that I don't like Scott Adams' blog, but every time I see (dilbert.com), I get my hopes up that just this once it'll be an actual comic.
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6 points by pkulak 11 hours ago 1 reply      
I was down until he got to what he wanted to call it. Really? Can we just choose something that isn't already tangled up in 50 pounds of sexual innuendo?
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5 points by msg 11 hours ago 0 replies      
Whenever someone wonders in conversation who won the Battle of Trafalgar or how to get to Safeco Field by bus, I always say the same thing:

"That's the kind of question I ask the magic box."

For me this thing means knowledge. It's the oracle, the multitool, the utility belt, the mystic key.

I suggest we all call it "the box".

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1 point by mkramlich 1 hour ago 1 reply      
my vote for new term:

comm

that's how I think of my iPhone. It's my comm unit. Cross between a Star Trek communicator, tricorder and portable Spock science console. We just need to add phaser.

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3 points by bprater 11 hours ago 1 reply      
My dad always told me: 'the phone is there for your convenience, not for for anyone else'. If I don't feel like fielding a call at a given moment, I simply won't pick up. But I'll take texts or emails anytime!

What about emergencies? A certain protocol exists for friends and family in double-ringing the phone which always gets me to pick up immediately.

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6 points by ugh 14 hours ago 3 replies      
The widely used colloquial term for mobile phone is „Handy“ (a fake anglicism) in German. We don’t have that problem.
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2 points by bruceboughton 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I like Charlie Brooker's name for them... Jabscreen [1]

Well, at least for a certain class of 'smartphone'

[1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/05/iphone-4...

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7 points by varikin 10 hours ago 2 replies      
What about calling them a mobile?
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6 points by thailandstartup 12 hours ago 0 replies      
>We need a new name for that thing

I've always hated Apple like the pox, but I give them this - they made it fashionable to carry around a pocket computer.

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3 points by geuis 12 hours ago 2 replies      
Call them jeejaws. That phrase in Anathem just so elegantly wrapped up what cellphones really are like.
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2 points by jiganti 6 hours ago 0 replies      
I vote for phone. It just has a different definition now, in a generation or so nobody will even remember that it was originally something used solely for voice conversations.
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4 points by joelmichael 13 hours ago 1 reply      
Calling it a phone is fine. I don't see why the word can't evolve. These sort of things happen organically.

However, I liked his observation about the recipient of every phone call being a "victim."

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1 point by lukifer 9 hours ago 0 replies      
I've come to start using the term "exobrain", coined by Adams himself: http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/exobrain/
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1 point by staunch 12 hours ago 1 reply      
More people will have "phone" computers than laptop computers so eventually we can just refer to "phones" as computers. Laptops can still be laptops or PCs.
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2 points by BerislavLopac 14 hours ago 0 replies      
If you're a startup working on a mobile-related software or device, the comments there are a whole wealth of the ideas for your brand name... Damn, jeejah.com is taken... ;)
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1 point by theschwa 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Why not just use one of the terms that already in our daily vocabulary like: Cell or Mobile.
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1 point by bruceboughton 9 hours ago 0 replies      
If I were being cynical I might call it a Tether.
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1 point by amanuel 12 hours ago 1 reply      
> "Granted, there could be some confusion if a head is contemplated as a gift item, but that's a risk I'm willing to take."

That's why it fun to read Scott's stuff. Right there in the middle of a 'serious' discussion on finding a new name for a phone he drops this little LOLbomb.

I think calling it a memex would be interesting as well...going way old school. ;-)

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1 point by Rhapso 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I call it my "Exo-brain"
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1 point by Qz 9 hours ago 0 replies      
It may just stay being called 'phone', the same way a computer is called a computer.
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Victorian Orientalism (tor.com)
4 points by paulgerhardt 3 hours ago   discuss
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Space Shuttle and ISS transit the Sun. (nasa.gov)
25 points by RiderOfGiraffes 13 hours ago   9 comments 5 top all
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1 point by ugh 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Those Astronomy Pictures of the Day are well worth exploring. Here is the Moon and Venus as you might not have not have seen them before (well, at least Venus): http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100516.html
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2 points by petercooper 11 hours ago 3 replies      
Astronomy types.. how comes the Sun looks so smooth and simple in this picture whereas it looks almost "volcanic" and highly irregular in most other pictures I've seen? (Just do a Google Images search for "sun" to see loads of them.)
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1 point by Estragon 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I saw this when it came out and thought "someone's been reading Anathem"
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1 point by pencil 10 hours ago 1 reply      
kinda unbelievable..no sun spots or any other form of solar activity
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1 point by alexforget 9 hours ago 0 replies      
deepzoom version of the same kind of stuff http://alex.bouncingbox.com/iss/
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Insights into the performance of Microsoft's big clusters (glinden.blogspot.com)
16 points by Anon84 8 hours ago   2 comments 1 top all
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2 points by Groxx 5 hours ago 1 reply      
<strikeout>Insights</strikeout> speculations on the performance of Microsoft's big clusters (and the services that depend on them).
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Want your privacy back? Try disappearing (lastwatchdog.com)
24 points by rlm 13 hours ago   1 comment 1 top all
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2 points by leviathant 2 hours ago 0 replies      
Earlier this year, a friend of mine (Alex) was part of the Wired "Disappear" contest that was tied in with the Repomen movie. She had to disappear for a month, all while doing one or two mandated tasks from Loneshark Games to give some clues to the people hunting her and three other "runners" down. With all the photos and videos the runners had taken during the course of the hunt, it would have made for a really fascinating read, but the writer left before the feature was finished, and the whole thing was boiled down to a rather lame blog post instead.

http://cs.condenastdigital.com/cs/wordpress/repomen/?p=2124

I've bugged her to write down her experience in some form, she traveled all over the country on a limited budget, and we pulled some pretty smooth tricks on the people chasing her (by the time one guy figured out I was a mole, none of the other hunters trusted him, and thought HE was the one leaking info to the runners), but she never got around to that.

Alex managed to elude people quite well, using me and one other friend as her sole contacts during the ordeal. I think we did a smashing job eluding everyone, and it was a really fascinating experience, even just from my position as the guy gathering and relaying intelligence and information. The other guy who beat the hunters was ex-Army, said we'd do well in the CIA, heh.

Anyhow, I guess what I'm really posting about is that even when you're forced to reveal aspects of your whereabouts online, it's not that hard to disappear. The hard part is not going crazy during the process. At first you're too paranoid, but if you get too comfortable, you'll start to give away clues to your past, and that will ultimately be your undoing. "Never look back" is so much harder than most people realize, especially in the long term.

I would love to believe that in the future, people are given more leeway for the way they behaved in their youth, given the way the internet never forgets. Everyone makes mistakes, but so many people are documenting each other now, things like that aren't forgotten the way they used to be.

The idea of completely shedding an old identity is pretty absurd, a short-term workaround at best.

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Why Startups Should Only Hire Good StarCraft Players (helloko.com)
28 points by koichi 6 hours ago   47 comments 18 top all
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7 points by xal 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Like I said in the other thread, I started Shopify build it up to 30 something employees and run it as CEO.

I play Starcraft2 right now and am usually in the top 10 of my diamond league. In fact the company is almost completely stacked with video game players. The article here is probably not taking itself very seriously but it's definitely close to what I've done ( unconsciously ) and it works extremely well.

It sounds silly but the day to day work of a CEO isn't very different from playing a game of Starcraft.

Before starting a startup I used to compete in many gaming tournaments. Not sure if that helped me much in preparation for becoming a CEO but it definitely got me started on programming. My first programming project was to decode the network protocol of quakeworld and create a proxy server that could inject all sorts of useful information into the network stream. Cool stuff.

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6 points by lotharbot 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Mastering an extracurricular activity can be very good for your work ability. This article's list is StarCraft-focused, but similar lists could be made for several other games. NetHack taught me to type thousands of characters in a row without making a mistake or losing focus, and to use absolutely every resource; Descent taught me to visualize space and motion; Left 4 Dead taught me how to stay cool under pressure.

We need not limit ourselves to games, either. How many useful skills does one acquire in the process of becoming a quality musician, playing competitive sports, or raising a child?

I wouldn't advocate only hiring good StarCraft players, but I would advocate looking for people who are awesome at something.

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3 points by mechanical_fish 5 hours ago 1 reply      
I feel a profound sense of relief that we have moved on from "Why WoW is the New Golf".

I suspect that I might actually be able to play Starcraft without it taking over my life. Though I have so far been loath to test this theory.

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9 points by SkyMarshal 4 hours ago 1 reply      
Damn, here I am trying to learn Haskell and master Lisp, and it's really getting good at Starcraft I should be focusing on.
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4 points by cageface 5 hours ago 1 reply      
RTS games always seemed to me like nothing so much as a test of how much manual busy work somebody will tolerate.

If I were to hire people based on their ability to play any game, it would be Go.

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2 points by ojbyrne 5 hours ago 3 replies      
Without too much effort I can translate this to:

- only hire white males

- under 25

- without much of s social life beyond other < 25 year old males

- but if your target market is under 25 males and you don't plan to deal with government laws that will screw you because of the the bigotry.

Then you're good.

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1 point by dgallagher 4 hours ago 1 reply      
- Good StarCraft Players Play StarCraft All The Time, And Don't Invent And Build Real Things.

- Good StarCraft Players Know How To Configure Their Video Card Settings, Making Them Savvy Enough To Deploy And Manage Business Servers.

- Good StarCraft Players Master A Small Predictable Walled Garden, Not The Vast Outside Ever-Changing World Of Business.

Seriously. Using that logic, you can make the argument that a porn star who has a high PPM (penetrations per minute) should be hired by startups. ;)

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1 point by coryl 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Fun article, I agree the same principles in the article can be applied to many skill based hobbies.

The thing I love about Starcrack is how dynamic each game can be. The three races are so different and unique, yet balanced. There are so many different ways a game can end; there is a counter to every counter. You have to manage economy. You have to manage army production. Technology upgrades, information reconnaissance, micro-harassment, army positioning. Your brain has to be on top of everything, and you have to make decisions quick.

Its like compressing your startup work-life into a 20 minute simulation. Its kind of crazy, I actually get a bit of adrenaline and nervousness from wanting to win so badly.

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1 point by tshtf 4 hours ago 0 replies      
The article is interesting, but short on evidence.

Has anyone in academia performed psychometric testing on game players versus non-game players?

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1 point by alnayyir 5 hours ago 0 replies      
I'm gold ranked, but I think the time the person spends honing their craft is important too.

You want to look at what kind of code projects (if you're hiring a programmer) they have in their portfolio that they made of their own accord.

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1 point by SebMortelmans 3 hours ago 0 replies      
I've did a lot of gaming when I was younger, and always on a super competitive level. I think it's more that personality trait of close to obsessive competitivity that translates into being good employees, or anything they put their mind to for that matter.
Some of the things you list are very concrete in-game examples, but I feel can all be summarized as a result of people taking the game more "serious". But you definitely have a point.

Would I ever mention anything about my gaming history on a job interview though? Unless I know the interviewer would be really into it, sadly, no.

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1 point by chrischen 5 hours ago 0 replies      
That's a huge generalization. Different games test different skills. Some skills apply to things like startups, some don't.

Disclaimer: I suck at starcraft, so naturally I disagree with this post.

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3 points by navyrain 5 hours ago 1 reply      
StarCraft players do not have a monopoly on the virtues listed in this article.
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1 point by jacoblyles 4 hours ago 1 reply      
I'm sorry, but being good at Starcraft only means that you're good at Starcraft.
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1 point by 0abdd0e66h 4 hours ago 0 replies      
Have any of you detractors even played starcraft? I'd like you to try it. For all intents and purposes, starcraft (or any other real time strategy game) is essentially training for effective resource allotment, time based strategic planning, and command/control skill. All managers should be have to be excellent players.
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1 point by abraham 3 hours ago 0 replies      
This title gave me my biggest smile tonight :)
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0 points by zackattack 5 hours ago 1 reply      
brilliant; insightful; lucid. this piece deserve front page of the utne reader, let alone hacker monthly.
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1 point by kijun 5 hours ago 1 reply      
Only?
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Ping Users Top One Million in First 48 Hours (apple.com)
7 points by rimantas 6 hours ago   13 comments 4 top all
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11 points by moe 5 hours ago 2 replies      
You mean "Users" as in "People who signed up to take a look at the hyped new feature"?

Sorry, but I'll be more curious to see how many people actually use the service in 6 months from now. The first reviews haven't been exactly glamorous.

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3 points by agscala 4 hours ago 1 reply      
It's all about quality, not quantity. I'm surprised to see Apple jumping into social music when there's already services like last.fm which already excel and will be hard to dislodge.
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1 point by jfi 1 hour ago 0 replies      
Just like Apple TV, they will figure out how to make this (semi) right ... I hope.
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2 points by chanux 3 hours ago 1 reply      
Can iTunes users chose to not be ping users?
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